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    No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    I got some mind-boggling info this morning via email, that makes me wonder just what is going on in Texas:

    Quote Originally Posted by act.weareultraviolet.org
    A Texas court just let a man get away with murdering a woman who refused to have sex with him. This sets a dangerous precedent, and we need to speak out.

    Texas's Attorney General, Greg Abbott, could issue an opinion clarifying that nobody can be shot or killed for refusing to have sex. Judges and lawyers regularly refer to AG opinions during cases, so this could make a real difference in the future.

    Will you sign the petition to AG Abbott?

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    How did he get away with this?

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    Texas law allows citizens to use [deadly] force to “retrieve stolen property at night” or to hinder a burglar from escaping the scene of a crime during the night, as long as the person “reasonably” thinks that they have no other means of protecting their property.
    This is the sort of news I'd expect to read about from, say, Pakistan....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Gun Rights Kuli is condemning the castle doctrine? Isn't that exactly why you are always saying people need guns - to "defend" themselves?
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Let's first see how many Texans sign.

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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    I'm not sure what the case actually said since the source is truncated and biased, but I suspect the issue was over the money not the sex.

    Still a stupid jury, but when it comes to prostitution, Texas isn't the only place that stigmatizes the prostitute.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Let's first see how many Texans sign.
    Pointless stereotyping doesn't make an argument. I seriously doubt any more people than elsewhere are going to say that women can't say no.
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    "A Texas jury acquitted a man of the murder of a prostitute on the grounds that he was entitled to shoot her because she had “stolen” his property by taking his money without having sex with him..."

    http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-man-eze...frago-1295593#

    That's what I thought. The petition misrepresented the legal issue. What about it Kuli, still happy with gun laws like that?
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Follow the money:

    On Thursday, Gilbert was acquitted. The jury agreed with his argument that he was justified in shooting and killing Frago because she had stolen his property—as in, the $150 taken without providing him the sex he wanted. Never mind that Perkins—who was labeled as Frago’s pimp by the defense—testified in court that his escorts never promise sex. “If I found out you were having sex, you were fired. Period. End of discussion,” he said.
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I got some mind-boggling info this morning via email, that makes me wonder just what is going on in Texas:



    How did he get away with this?



    This is the sort of news I'd expect to read about from, say, Pakistan....
    Or Florida.............
    Let's pick on Florida for awhile.
    This law is like that one in Fla that Zimmerman is being tried for. It gives us permission to shoot to kill.
    However, I don't think this is the right way to use it. I saw the story the other day and thought Texas has had enough bad press, but I'm glad you brought it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Let's first see how many Texans sign.
    I signed!
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Or Florida.............
    Let's pick on Florida for awhile.
    This law is like that one in Fla that Zimmerman is being tried for. It gives us permission to shoot to kill.
    However, I don't think this is the right way to use it. I saw the story the other day and thought Texas has had enough bad press, but I'm glad you brought it up.
    The issue isn't really about guns.

    Still, Gilbert’s case seems ridiculous. Essentially, he is claiming that he is able to compel the commission of a crime—prostitution—if he simply believed he was paying for sex, or demand his money back for the service he was promised and did receive.
    The issue is about a moron who thought someone should provide what he wanted, not what was offered. It makes me think of the car commercials where the buyers use a test drive as an excuse to go on a road trip.

    But it's also an issue in which the gay community is involved: it isn't just women who claim to be escorts but are really prostitutes. Craigslist ads for "escorts" who know nothing about being an escort but are just whores feed the assumption this man made -- that an escort is supposed to put out. Only such a belief would lead someone to think he had a "right" to coerce someone into committing a crime.
    Last edited by Kulindahr; June 8th, 2013 at 10:27 AM. Reason: stupid "update" function

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I signed!
    I signed as well. And I left a comment that a rational judge would have instructed the jury to consider the money as a non-refundable deposit.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The issue isn't really about guns.



    The issue is about a moron who thought someone should provide what he wanted, not what was offered. It makes me think of the car commercials where the buyers use a test drive as an excuse to go on a road trip.

    But it's also an issue in which the gay community is involved: it isn't just women who claim to be escorts but are really prostitutes. Craigslist ads for "escorts" who know nothing about being an escort but are just whores feed the assumption this man made -- that an escort is supposed to put out. Only such a belief would lead someone to think he had a "right" to coerce someone into committing a crime.
    NO. The issue is law passed by idiots who believe like you do in "gun culture," laws saying you can shoot people for stupid shit, by calling it defense of self and property.

    If it had been murder to shoot someone over $150.00, that man would be in jail. But it wasn't. Why was that again?
    Last edited by TX-Beau; June 8th, 2013 at 10:45 AM.
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The issue isn't really about guns.



    The issue is about a moron who thought someone should provide what he wanted, not what was offered. It makes me think of the car commercials where the buyers use a test drive as an excuse to go on a road trip.

    But it's also an issue in which the gay community is involved: it isn't just women who claim to be escorts but are really prostitutes. Craigslist ads for "escorts" who know nothing about being an escort but are just whores feed the assumption this man made -- that an escort is supposed to put out. Only such a belief would lead someone to think he had a "right" to coerce someone into committing a crime.
    Now, Kuli, several years ago I would have made a statement it was about guns. We have that ironed out.
    I didn't mean to imply it was about guns. It is like Tx-Beau said, it is about these idiots some people call politicians that make laws like this.
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    We may make jabs and poke fun at Florida about most things, but Texas has the crown on judicial misconduct.

    Usually, Texas judicial practices go to the other extreme. Notice the WALL-OF-APPLAUSE after the moderator mentions Gov. Rick Perry's execution record in Texas:


    This may just make you throw-up in your mouth a little, it is one of the sickest things I have ever heard in a Presidential campaign (in 2012).
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Um...WAIT.

    What's going on?

    So, honor killings are now legal in Texas.

    I THOUGHT THAT TEXAS WAS SUPPOSED TO HATE SHARIA LAW???

    Well, it's probably OK to kill gay people there, too, if that's the case.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    We may make jabs and poke fun at Florida about most things, but Texas has the crown on judicial misconduct.

    Usually, Texas judicial practices go to the other extreme. Notice the WALL-OF-APPLAUSE after the moderator mentions Gov. Rick Perry's execution record in Texas:


    This may just make you throw-up in your mouth a little, it is one of the sickest things I have ever heard in a Presidential campaign (in 2012).
    I know, I know! Everything you say about Texas is true. I just tried to misplace it a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Um...WAIT.

    What's going on?

    So, honor killings are now legal in Texas.

    I THOUGHT THAT TEXAS WAS SUPPOSED TO HATE SHARIA LAW???

    Well, it's probably OK to kill gay people there, too, if that's the case.
    don't give them any ideas!
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    We may make jabs and poke fun at Florida about most things, but Texas has the crown on judicial misconduct.

    Usually, Texas judicial practices go to the other extreme. Notice the WALL-OF-APPLAUSE after the moderator mentions Gov. Rick Perry's execution record in Texas:


    This may just make you throw-up in your mouth a little, it is one of the sickest things I have ever heard in a Presidential campaign (in 2012).
    I didn't watch this video because I've seen it in the original form. But, I forget, did he mention the innocent one he killed murdered?
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    Re: No sex -- just shoot her (Texas style)

    Of course he didn't. And I highly doubt that poor guy was the only one. Gettings wins is far more important these days then ensuring justice is done.

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