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    I never realised what a bunch of sheep Australia could be. Rupert Murdoch is running the upcoming election campaign painting Tony Abbott as our only hope of salvation, meanwhile printing the most scare mongering headlines about the current government.

    In the last week alone, two future ministers have said there are too many teachers and the education minister will be making 1 in 7 redundant, and the future treasurer is on record as saying he's going to be making 20,000 public servants redundant. Those two figures alone - if they do it - will push the unemployment rate to over 10%.

    On top of that Abbott makes George W Bush look like bloody Einstein.

    Labor has dusted off the only politician in their ranks the Australian people will listen too, Kevin Rudd and now he's on the campaign trail like he's running for future opposition leader which has started the whole "leadership under threat" headlines again.

    Can I come live with one of you guys overseas? I'll cook, and clean and even record the goings on in your sound-proof dungeon. I don't want want to live in 1950.

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    Re: Australian is doomed

    What about the one with the boobs? Is she any good?

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    I can't believe how gullible the general populous is. Do they really want that moron Tony Abbott as our Prime Minister?

    It's looking more and more like Julia can no longer win, so I'm starting to think Kevin Rudd might be the only chance (as much as I hate to say it).

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    She's done a lot of really good things that have long term benefits. Problem is, most of the country have stopped listening to her. The media is already talking about "When the Libs win in September". It's going to take a fucking miracle for them to lose the election which blows my mind seeing as Abbott can't talk without it being scripted. He's a bloody jack ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsox View Post
    I can't believe how gullible the general populous is. Do they really want that moron Tony Abbott as our Prime Minister?

    It's looking more and more like Julia can no longer win, so I'm starting to think Kevin Rudd might be the only chance (as much as I hate to say it).
    My father and I were talking this morning and I made a mention that Rudd seemed to be running as "future opposition leader" and my father agreed. He said from what Rudd is doing it looks like he's trying to prevent the massive swing against Labor so they'll be in a better position at the next election to bump Abbott.

    What really scares me is just how stupid Abbott is. All this crap about turning back the boats and armed drones patrolling the borders. Abbott's ridden the Carbon Tax into the Lodge and is promising a thousand years of milk and honey, but he's going to cripple the country, not to mention blow it's international relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    I never realised what a bunch of sheep Australia could be. Rupert Murdoch is running the upcoming election campaign painting Tony Abbott as our only hope of salvation, meanwhile printing the most scare mongering headlines about the current government.

    In the last week alone, two future ministers have said there are too many teachers and the education minister will be making 1 in 7 redundant, and the future treasurer is on record as saying he's going to be making 20,000 public servants redundant. Those two figures alone - if they do it - will push the unemployment rate to over 10%.

    On top of that Abbott makes George W Bush look like bloody Einstein.

    Labor has dusted off the only politician in their ranks the Australian people will listen too, Kevin Rudd and now he's on the campaign trail like he's running for future opposition leader which has started the whole "leadership under threat" headlines again.

    Can I come live with one of you guys overseas? I'll cook, and clean and even record the goings on in your sound-proof dungeon. I don't want want to live in 1950.
    I think labor made too many mistakes like giving computers to kids for free, roof insulation for free and many other stupid mis-takes i can't remember. But i still be voting for labour. Who are you voting for ?


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    I think it is sad that Julia Gillard refuses to support same sex marriage in Australia. I don't see Gillard as a homophobe, but I guess she feels for political reasons she cannot support gay marriage because a lot of Australians don't support it.

    She seems like a smart woman, who is a competent leader, but I was shocked at the way Gillard is treated by the Australian press the misogyny is extreme. Glad Gillard is standing up for herself and I do believe because she's a woman she's treated more harshly than a male Prime Minister would ever be treated.
    Since Gillard is the first female Prime Minister of Australia, she is kind of like her good friend President Obama, whenever you are the first the haters go after you even harder.

    Now, I am not saying Gillard is perfect, but internationally she has a really good reputation. Although, from I have read she isn't popular in Australia and a lot of it is probably due to misogyny.


    I thought it was awesome last year when Gillard took down Tony Abbott and it went viral on You Tube calling him a misogynist. Gillard has had to deal with a lot of sexism because she's Australia's first female Prime Minister and she's not married nor does she have children. Of course, it shouldn't matter that Gillard isn't married, nor has kids, but the impression I get about Australia is the country seems very traditional and very homophobic. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get from the stories and articles I read.
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    The laptops and roof insulation isn't the problem Telly. It's the fact that Gillard is seen to have gone back on her word - Carbon Tax - and to have stabbed Kevin Rudd in the back. That's one PR spin they can't get right, particularly given how the last election turned out and the hung parliament. She's been "unpopular" and "not the PM Australia wanted" for the last 3 years. I'd love to see Abbott deal with the media wolf-pack she's dealt with since the last election.

    Personally I'll vote labor. I'm not a massive fan of either Gillard or Abbott, but as a sign I saw the other day said "Voting for Abbott because you don't like Gillard is like eating shit because you don't like spinach."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    The laptops and roof insulation isn't the problem Telly. It's the fact that Gillard is seen to have gone back on her word - Carbon Tax - and to have stabbed Kevin Rudd in the back. That's one PR spin they can't get right, particularly given how the last election turned out and the hung parliament. She's been "unpopular" and "not the PM Australia wanted" for the last 3 years. I'd love to see Abbott deal with the media wolf-pack she's dealt with since the last election.

    Personally I'll vote labor. I'm not a massive fan of either Gillard or Abbott, but as a sign I saw the other day said "Voting for Abbott because you don't like Gillard is like eating shit because you don't like spinach."
    I'm hoping Penny Wong for PM. She seems honest ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisseyX View Post
    I think it is sad that Julia Gillard refuses to support same sex marriage in Australia. I don't see Gillard as a homophobe, but I guess she feels for political reasons she cannot support gay marriage because a lot of Australians don't support it. I thought it was awesome last year when Gillard took down Tony Abbott and it went viral on You Tube calling him a misogynist. Gillard has had to deal with a lot of sexism because she's Australia's first female Prime Minister and she's not married nor does she have children. Of course, it shouldn't matter that Gillard isn't married, nor has kids, but the impression I get about Australia is the country seems very traditional and very homophobic. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get from the stories and articles I read.
    Australia isn't really a very homophobic place at all. Probably out in the boondocks it may be, but for the most part Australia has a live and let live motto.

    As for Marriage Equality, she won't support it because she doesn't believe in marriage at all. She's said that before. Abbott won't support it - and went against every bit of Liberal Party tradition by not allowing a conscious vote last year - because he said he won't. No other reason. He's trying to say "look with the Liberal party when we say something, that's how it goes, you can trust us not to change our minds or go back on our words."

    With former PM Kevin Rudd coming out in support of Marriage Equality a few weeks it set the Christian Lobby on it's head. He was the staunch catholic who had previously said he didn't believe it and then had an Obama-esque "evolution".

    Polls in Australia showed at last count a 70% for Marriage Equality. The Government isn't listening to anyone one anything to do with this nor is the Opposition.

    Abbott will do nothing re: Marriage Equality because it was his hero John Howard who amended the Marriage Act in the first place to slam the definition of Marriage is between a Man and a Woman in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram View Post
    What about the one with the boobs? Is she any good?
    She's not great. She's sort of trying to chase the godbotherer in a race to the bottom. She's actually making him look like a viable alternative.

    I don't know why you're just realising now that Australia is doomed OP. did you know we can never have an election at the same time as the grand final because people would genuinely choose sport over who will run the country?!?!

    Add to that the fact that civil rights is "just not that important right now"

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    I haven't just realised goldenmoth, I've been saying it for months, but I kept waiting for Abbott to break his leash and fuck it up. He's done it twice last week and the main stream media ignored it and instead started reporting on Rudd making a comeback. I honestly had more faith in the Australian people being educated and informed enough to realise the Mad Monk was indeed no alternative.

    Even past Liberal Prime Ministers and leaders have come out and said Abbott is a dangerous loose cannon with no long term vision or thought. That he drops a bomb and runs off to let it explode and then moves onto the next bomb. The man is currently being sued in 2 or 3 separate libel cases, and you barely hear squat about it.

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    i don't get Gillard. She seems sharp as a knife and able to say any smart idea in terms that would convince the harshest skeptic. And then she just…doesn't do that.

    When she got into office I really took an interest in Australian politics because I liked her tenacity and her sense of humour, and that she had rid Australia of Rudd. He is an unmitigated oaf.

    But the first thing she did was go to the States and give the most gag-inducing, inexplicable, unnecessary, empty-headed fawning love speech to the weeping US Senate, and it's been downhill from there.

    I believe she has the better policies, the better intellect, the better claim to power, and if people vote against her, I think the only thing they blame her for is falling so far short of her potential. If people didn't understand what she could be, they probably wouldn't mind what she is. But it's like her knob is stuck on a low flame and the pot is only simmering.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    …She seems sharp as a knife…
    She may have been clever once but she's taking advice from a bunch of slimy old-style Neanderthals who corrupted the government of the state that Ravenstar and I live in.

    She was in a hung government with a tiny majority but she persisted with old-style bickering. She was obliged to compromise with the Greens party but they tore up the agreement this year.

    She stuck her neck out and now she's getting the chop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    She may have been clever once but she's taking advice from a bunch of slimy old-style Neanderthals who corrupted the government of the state that Ravenstar and I live in.

    She was in a hung government with a tiny majority but she persisted with old-style bickering. She was obliged to compromise with the Greens party but they tore up the agreement this year.

    She stuck her neck out and now she's getting the chop.
    How about Penny Wong ?
    Is she a fair person ?


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    ^ she may have been a decent person before she got into politics. But Wong joined a party which takes its ideas from the Catholic Church; it demands complete obediency. You will be branded as "a Labor rat in the ranks" just like the Catholics excommunicate people who disobey its preachings.



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    I think her biggest problem was not acknowledging Abbotts campaign of negativity. She ignored it. Tried to rise above it by getting on with what she needed to do. Abbott's simply cried "betrayer, unwanted, carbon tax" for the past 3 years and the Murdoch owned media have lapped it up.

    The NSW Labour are fucked, that's true Pat. But Gillard's biggest problem is not being herself. She's being what the communications people tell her to be and she's coming across as iceberg cold.

    Every week the polls are showing a bigger and bigger gap between her and Abbott and instead of acknowledging anything she says "The only polls that count are the ones in September."

    Seriously she may think that sounds strong but it's the stupidest thing she can say. What she is in affect saying is "I don't give a fuck what the Australian people are saying". She's on the nose, and beyond her misogyny speech she's allowed Abbott to run riot. After that speech he shut his mouth and let the others do his talking for him.

    That she's intelligent is beyond doubt, but that she's taking bad advice on how to handle the media and it's hate campaign is also beyond doubt.

    The Greens tore up their agreement in an attempt to distance themselves from the Labour Party. It's been obvious for months it's hit an iceberg and the Greens are trying to protect their hold of the Senate and their 1 lower house representative. By tearing up the agreement publically they're saying "we have/had nothing to do with this nightmare, we're walking away from a woman who betrays her word, even in agreements to form Government."

    There's a distinct reason none of the independents or greens were willing to negotiate with Abbott. Now we're going to be stuck with him.

    I give it 6 months tops before he plunges the only country in the bloody world with job growth and an economy not in recession so far into a hole it's going to take a generation for us to get out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    How about Penny Wong ?
    Is she a fair person ?
    Penny Wong can't be PM Telly, she's in the Senate. For her to be PM or Labor Leader she needs to leave the Senate and run for a lower house seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    ^ she may have been a decent person before she got into politics. But Wong joined a party which takes its ideas from the Catholic Church; it demands complete obediency. You will be branded as "a Labor rat in the ranks" just like the Catholics excommunicate people who disobey its preachings.



    This bloke is a fucking douche. Regardless of what he thinks he needed to shut his mouth re: the PR spin they've been told to say. By going on breakfast TV and making a mockery of it he's shown two things. One that Gillard is losing control of her Government back benchers and Two that he's a sour whinging prick whose still sulking because he backed Rudd earlier this year and got demoted for it.

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    Can anyone explain to me how it is possible that Kevin Rudd still has a following? To me at least he seems the least like a clever person and the most like an image-conscious hand-shaking baby-kissing stooge.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I been talking to a lot of Australians, typical university students, they seem to favor Gillard over Abbott but I think Gillard is losing her charm as they approved the education budget cut which upsets a lot of people but then everyone hates Abbott and couldn't stand him, so they're torn in between. Greens have good social policy but have no idea running the economy. Also, someone said to me countryside Australians will favor Abbott because he's born in Australia.

    This is what I gathered so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    … it is possible that Kevin Rudd still has a following? …
    Australian politics is SUPPOSED to be about policies rather than politics. But you can see how this thread is mostly talking about personalities rather than policies.

    I personally think most of the politicians are all equally unappealing. All the policies point towards a lot of belt-tightening in the years to come.
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    WOW! Sounds like the Tea Party USA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasvegas View Post
    I been talking to a lot of Australians, typical university students, they seem to favor Gillard over Abbott but I think Gillard is losing her charm as they approved the education budget cut which upsets a lot of people but then everyone hates Abbott and couldn't stand him, so they're torn in between. Greens have good social policy but have no idea running the economy. Also, someone said to me countryside Australians will favor Abbott because he's born in Australia.

    This is what I gathered so far.
    Abbott was born in the UK, Gillard in Wales. Abbott came to Australia as a toddler. If ever there was a reason to stop the boats he was it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    Abbott was born in the UK, Gillard in Wales. Abbott came to Australia as a toddler. If ever there was a reason to stop the boats he was it
    That is ironic about stopping the boats.


    Anyway, about Australian road workers.
    From first hand knowledge, a guy who work there, he said they don't work much, just standing around doing nothing much.

    How can they compete with Chinese infrastructure in china ?


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    What will be the effect of the U.S. surveillance dust up on the election?

    I just read that it has reached your shores. http://news.yahoo.com/u-surveillance...091836731.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    Abbott was born in the UK, Gillard in Wales. Abbott came to Australia as a toddler. If ever there was a reason to stop the boats he was it
    I guess I'll just get never get that wry, antepodian, Wilde-like wit you Commonwealth Oceanians are renowned for...
    For I could have sworn up and down that Wales and mainland "UK" (read: The isle of Great Britain) were one and the same??

    This New World yank fails to see the subtle nuance! :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    .... I'll just get never get that wry, antepodian, Wilde-like....
    Be that as it may, this Antipodean nation is in a mess. Vanity, wastefulness and stupidity.
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    Ah, it's a mess all around. I think Gillard has done and is doing a fine job: running the country, passing legislation, all the nuts and bolts of politics. She has rotten spin though, and the media seems fixed against her. You can tell that the Labor party is in a bad way when people are seriously talking about Rudd as a leader again. Come on!

    As for Abbott, the man is a fool with no ideas, no policies, just plenty of motherhood statements and one-liners. The Liberals have got rid of anybody who might have had an individual voice, and the party seems full of senseless clones. However, Abbott's one-liners are a gift to the media, and the public lap them up like swine. Just don't ask him to explain anything which might require, say, a paragraph's worth of reasoning. He just can't do it.

    Gillard has made mistakes, for sure - what politician hasn't? - but it seems to me that Gillard's faults are those I could live with, and Abbott's I couldn't.

    At the Federal Election in September, I'd vote for (as a friends used to say) "a syphilitic dog" over Abbott. I'll certainly vote Labor, and I would hope that the party hasn't succumbed to terminal stupidity and ousted Gillard as leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teadrinker View Post
    … I'd vote for (as a friends used to say) "a syphilitic dog" over Abbott…
    Are you talking about this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    I never realised what a bunch of sheep Australia could be. …
    Yes, you're right. I think 30% of our population are sheep but I reckon you could say the same about most other nations.

    Unfortunately our patronising pollies introduced compulsory voting which means we have to endure antics like this—



    Political discourse has been dumbed-down into five-word sound-bites suitable for sheep and dopey joke shows like this—



    Compulsory voting has also ensured rorts like branch-stacking and 'family-reunion' migration.
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    Such a relief!

    Our dopey PM has resigned, the stupid Conroy has resigned!

    This is the dope who's the rat in the ranks. He knifed the previous PM in the back and now he's knifed another PM --

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    Can I come live with one of you guys overseas? I'll cook, and clean and even record the goings on in your sound-proof dungeon. I don't want want to live in 1950.
    You don't want to come here. On Tuesday (in USA time zones) the Supreme Court said it's OK for states to roll back VOTING rights to 1950. Republican tyranny and hubris will continue unabated.

    @PatGrimshaw: OH, if it were only true that the United States had compulsory voting! I WISH...
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    ....@PatGrimshaw: OH, if it were only true that the United States had compulsory voting! I WISH...
    Why?

    Aren't those people who think like you voting already? What's stopping them from voting?
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    Bill Shorten is a slimy two-faced Muppet. What did Kevin Rudd promise him to get him to flip in just 2 hours. Early yesterday afternoon he said a public news release that the Prime Minister had his full and unwavering support, but two hours later was on TV saying Gillard had lost his support as Prime Minister. As soon as he did that the vote was a done deal, because he brought the whole segment of nasty little turds behind to vote for Rudd.

    I sat there last night watching it all unfold and all I could think was "of ffs are these people even remotely aware that as politicians they are working for the best interests of the country, not their own?"

    Gillard's speech last night was very dignified, but I did cringe when she started thanking all the Labor people who had been loyal. She kept hammering that home. "Loyal". All the ministers who've resigned their positions because they are "loyal". Wayne Swan for being a "loyal" Deputy PM.

    All I could think was "honey, not the right angle to take. Rumour has it has Rudd's Deputy PM in 2010 you should have been "loyal" to your leader.

    At least now Abbott's going to have to sweat to get to the lodge. I'm still hopeful the Lib's will spill and get rid of him and put Turnbull back where he belongs.

    I'm happy though that Anthony Albanese and Penny Wong have risen to Deputy PM & Leader of the Senate. They're the only 2 politicians worth a damn in this Government.

    So these this morning and the Homer Simpson one sums up my feelings perfectly.

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    ^ Anyway,
    Abbot's response was "stop the boat, stop the boat, stop the boat ... "
    The more he said it, the more i dislike him because of his negativity.


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    Can I come live with one of you guys overseas? I'll cook, and clean and even record the goings on in your sound-proof dungeon. I don't want want to live in 1950.
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    I can't believe the idiocy of this whole thing. Rudd seems like he has enough smarm and self-serving manipulativeness for an army of politicians. Gillard was obviously manipulative as proved three years ago, but she seemed like the sort you wanted on your side, and that she would use her powers for good, not evil. I can't figure out why Rudd is remotely popular, and I can't figure out why Gillard couldn't go the distance.

    I hope Rudd goes out in an embarrassing mess.
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    Australia is pretty diversified compared to years ago when a crash in resources and mining would have been really bad. There's enough going on in other industries like tourism and trade development to keep things going. How needs fucken BHP??? Serves them right the arrogant bastards.

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    Rudd is popular because at the time he won he was up against John Howard and the most draconian industrial relations policy Australian had ever seen. When Howard lost - not only the election, but his seat the first time in over 100 years a sitting PM had lost their seat - it was on the wave of a brilliant campaign.

    Rudd's "glory days" were interrupted. It doesn't matter what he may have done in that first term he was stabbed in the back by the party and that set a whole range of emotions through the Australian population who had voted for his Government.

    While in theory voting is for the Party, not the leader, in Australia it's always been about the leader. By throwing him over due to factional issues, and then releasing a whole range of "leaked documents" designed to make him look insane, all it did was make the population think "well fuck you."

    Gillard's reputation - unfortunately because frankly she's brought about a lot of fantastic long-range initiatives - never recovered. Tie that to a relentless 3 years of negativity and hate from both the media and the opposition and it never honestly had a chance to recover.

    I don't know if replacing her with Rudd is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic or not at this point, but Kevin Rudd's popularity with the population is undisputed. It seriously seems to me that if anyone can turn the polls around and at least give them a shot at retaining power it's Rudd.

    If nothing else, it's got to have Abbott locked in his office throwing his rattle out of his crib and holding his breath which can only be a good thing.

    Abbott was walking all over Gillard. She was smarter than him, and had a vision, but she couldn't communicate it to the majority of the population. All they heard was what the main stream media - Murdoch is Satan - were saying.

    Last night during the televised coverage of the Spill, one of the smarmy gits on Sky News, took to the air and said "People are blaming the media but we report the news, we knew the spill was coming and we reported it, we didn't bring it about". All I could think was "if you run the same bloody headline for over 1000 days in a row sooner or later you're bound to get it right."

    It will be interesting to see if the Opposition will change tactic now that Rudd is again PM. They're relentless negativity and lack of policy details won't go anywhere. Slimy or not, Rudd knows how to play it for the general population. I'm not going to be at all surprised if the polls that come out show a massive swing towards Labor now that Gillard has been replaced.

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    ^ What do you think of Janet Albrechtsen ?
    She hates Gillard so much ...


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    Why?

    Aren't those people who think like you voting already? What's stopping them from voting?
    Now that all oversight over state election laws has been completely demolished, states are now free to get as creative as they care to get, to MAKE SURE that - as much as possible - ONLY Republicans will be allowed to vote.

    I fully expect that, before 2016, there will be states trying to make it illegal for women to vote.

    This damned country is regressing in so many ways, becoming a backwater Third World nation. Gay rights is the *ONLY* thing that is progressing in any way here.
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    I've got no idea who that is Telly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    Rudd is popular because at the time he won he was up against John Howard and the most draconian industrial relations policy Australian had ever seen. When Howard lost - not only the election, but his seat the first time in over 100 years a sitting PM had lost their seat - it was on the wave of a brilliant campaign.

    Rudd's "glory days" were interrupted. It doesn't matter what he may have done in that first term he was stabbed in the back by the party and that set a whole range of emotions through the Australian population who had voted for his Government.

    While in theory voting is for the Party, not the leader, in Australia it's always been about the leader. By throwing him over due to factional issues, and then releasing a whole range of "leaked documents" designed to make him look insane, all it did was make the population think "well fuck you."

    Gillard's reputation - unfortunately because frankly she's brought about a lot of fantastic long-range initiatives - never recovered. Tie that to a relentless 3 years of negativity and hate from both the media and the opposition and it never honestly had a chance to recover.

    I don't know if replacing her with Rudd is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic or not at this point, but Kevin Rudd's popularity with the population is undisputed. It seriously seems to me that if anyone can turn the polls around and at least give them a shot at retaining power it's Rudd.

    If nothing else, it's got to have Abbott locked in his office throwing his rattle out of his crib and holding his breath which can only be a good thing.

    Abbott was walking all over Gillard. She was smarter than him, and had a vision, but she couldn't communicate it to the majority of the population. All they heard was what the main stream media - Murdoch is Satan - were saying.

    Last night during the televised coverage of the Spill, one of the smarmy gits on Sky News, took to the air and said "People are blaming the media but we report the news, we knew the spill was coming and we reported it, we didn't bring it about". All I could think was "if you run the same bloody headline for over 1000 days in a row sooner or later you're bound to get it right."

    It will be interesting to see if the Opposition will change tactic now that Rudd is again PM. They're relentless negativity and lack of policy details won't go anywhere. Slimy or not, Rudd knows how to play it for the general population. I'm not going to be at all surprised if the polls that come out show a massive swing towards Labor now that Gillard has been replaced.
    Will people not notice the fact that Rudd was dumped by his own party as being wrong for the country, and then spent three years not really contributing to government but plotting his revenge, and then didn't really do anything to regain the confidence of his party, never mind Australians, except appeal to the cowardice of a few MPs who thought they might lose their jobs under the very same Prime Minister they said was better than Rudd 3 years ago and then earlier this year?
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Will people not notice the fact that Rudd was dumped by his own party…
    Yes, they have noticed that, but as the OP says—
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    I never realised what a bunch of sheep Australia could be…
    Unfortunately we have very few pollies with ANY kind of integrity and trustworthiness. The "Labour Party" is riddled with factions who hate each other and which has recently rid itself of slimey spin-merchants who destroyed the corruptible state government in the oldest state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Yes, they have noticed that, but as the OP says—

    Unfortunately we have very few pollies with ANY kind of integrity and trustworthiness. The "Labour Party" is riddled with factions who hate each other and which has recently rid itself of slimey spin-merchants who destroyed the corruptible state government in the oldest state.
    Pity. We had pretty much the same situation in our Liberal party. (As you may know, equiv of your Labour) It's been seven years since they were punted from power and the dust still hasn't settled. (corruptible provincial government; federal contracts earning a commission for the quebec wing of the party; mayors now going to jail, etc. etc.)
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    The opposition asks negative questions again which are not useful to Australians.
    Can the government just ignore the questions and say "these questions have no benefits to Australia, next" ?
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    The opposition asks negative questions again …
    The opposition is there to oppose. It's job is to thresh out and debate the issues before laws are enforced.
    It's called The Westminster System and was designed centuries ago for educated, rich, and uncorruptible Englishmen to debate issues in a civilised manner.

    Unfortunately most of our pollies are union-apparatchiks who've never worked in the real world. They've debased the Westminster System down to a schoolyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The opposition is there to oppose. It's job is to thresh out and debate the issues before laws are enforced.
    It's called The Westminster System and was designed centuries ago for educated, rich, and uncorruptible Englishmen to debate issues in a civilised manner.

    Unfortunately most of our pollies are union-apparatchiks who've never worked in the real world. They've debased the Westminster System down to a schoolyard.

    The issues should be about what is best for Australia.
    Not negative stuff about other parties.

    Abbot is all about negative stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    The issues should be about what is best for Australia.
    Not negative stuff about other parties....
    I agree with you 100%.

    I wish we had the Switzerland's conciliatory style of Government because the second-rate deadheads we have now are too childish to cope with the Westminster System.
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