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    Manning.

    Bradley Manning has spent three years unjustly, unreasonably and illegally incarcerated by Barack Obama and his government.

    http://http://iam.bradleymanning.org/
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    Obama doesn't like Manning on a personal level, for reasons other than the whistle-blowing.


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    Calling him a whistle blower is like calling Benedict Arnold a whistle blower for giving secrets to the British. We here cannot know the full extent of the damages done by his vast disclosures to our enemies. He deserves to hang, but he probably will not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Calling him a whistle blower is like calling Benedict Arnold a whistle blower for giving secrets to the British. We here cannot know the full extent of the damages done by his vast disclosures to our enemies. He deserves to hang, but he probably will not.
    One way to be sure Obama is doing something seriously wrong: Benvolio agrees with him.

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    Manning is a traitor. Death penalty for him.

    Removal from duty and prison time for the idiots that made the secret classified documents so readily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    One way to be sure Obama is doing something seriously wrong: Benvolio agrees with him.
    Probably a coincidence. BO is probably more afraid the Republicans will learn his dark secrets than anything the terrorists, Chinese or Russians might learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    We here cannot know the full extent of the damages done by his vast disclosures to our enemies. He deserves to hang, but he probably will not.
    As far as i understand it, 'he' did not give anything to your enemies. He gave it to someone else who disclosed it to EVERYBODY.

    America got embarrassed and is now looking for vengeance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    As far as i understand it, 'he' did not give anything to your enemies. He gave it to someone else who disclosed it to EVERYBODY.

    America got embarrassed and is now looking for vengeance.
    And everybody doesn't include our enemies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    And everybody doesn't include our enemies?
    Everybody is everybody. He didn't leak the documents personally, and his intention wasn't to give anything to the 'enemy', whoever the enemy is percieved to be.

    How exactly has 'the enemy' benefitted from this mans decision to give US documents to Wikileaks???

    Some here seem to have sentenced the guy already, and to death? Does that compare to the consequences that have occurred from what he did? I don't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    everybody is everybody. He didn't leak the documents personally, and his intention wasn't to give anything to the 'enemy', whoever the enemy is percieved to be.

    How exactly has 'the enemy' benefitted from this mans decision to give us documents to wikileaks???

    Some here seem to have sentenced the guy already, and to death? Does that compare to the consequences that have occurred from what he did? I don't see it.
    ^
    I think i have to agree , knee-jerk reactions are never a good idea , especially if it means the taking of another`s life .

    I can understand the feeling of betrayal that many Americans are talking about , but this kinda reminds me of "grabbing the knitting and heading off for a good day at the executions" .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    Some here seem to have sentenced the guy already, and to death? Does that compare to the consequences that have occurred from what he did? I don't see it.
    Presumption of innocence should be considered. In that regard, I would like to see justice being served.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Calling him a whistle blower is like calling Benedict Arnold a whistle blower for giving secrets to the British. We here cannot know the full extent of the damages done by his vast disclosures to our enemies. He deserves to hang, but he probably will not.
    I would reward Manning with a cash bonus, and employment with the DOD as a counter hacking consultant.

    Just imagine all those New England colonists fighting with militia loyal to the British Crown against "American" patriots.

    I quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalis...an_Revolution)

    Historians have estimated that between 15 and 20 percent of the 2.5 million whites in the colonies were Loyalists, or about 500,000 men, women and children.

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    ^^^

    Your post makes no sense.

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    History will say that Manning is a whistle blower and a hero.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    History will say that Manning is a whistle blower and a hero.
    Not American history. We Americans love our justice to be finite. Why do you think we still have capital punishment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    History will say that Manning is a whistle blower and a hero.
    History will say he spent life in prison as a cowardly fucking traitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    History will say that Manning is a whistle blower and a hero.
    In a perfect world -- he'd fry -- however, since the US Military appears heading for wussification he probably spend only a portion of his life in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    In a perfect world -- he'd fry -- however, since the US Military appears heading for wussification he probably spend only a portion of his life in jail.
    Where is this "wussification" that you troll of Jack? I'll bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    In a perfect world -- he'd fry -- however, since the US Military appears heading for wussification he probably spend only a portion of his life in jail.
    Ideally Manning would have never been arrested and imprisoned. Today Manning should be working as an anti hacking consultant to the DOD resisting the very real efforts of the enemies of the United States.....but...in an imperfect world revenge for daring to expose weaknesses in the DODs communications network take precedence for there are more than a few embarrassed generals whose bruised egos are blind to the very real contributions that Manning has made to the security of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    In a perfect world -- he'd fry -- however, since the US Military appears heading for wussification he probably spend only a portion of his life in jail.
    Ideally Manning would have never been arrested and imprisoned. Today Manning should be working as an anti hacking consultant to the DOD resisting the very real efforts of the enemies of the United States.....but...in an imperfect world revenge for daring to expose weaknesses in the DODs communications network take precedence for there are more than a few embarrassed generals whose bruised egos are blind to the very real contributions that Manning has made to the security of the United States.

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    He gave out classified information without any regard for this country, but in a selfish pique of ego. He gave out EVERYTHING he got his slimy little pathetic hands on. He's no hero, and whether he is put to death or more likely, and deservedly, left to rot for the rest of his worthless days without any attention and any love shown his way(except for the pathetic leftists who will honor him for all his betrayals because America is completely without merit in their world view, who will be bored with him when a new hero to their cause eventually emerges...rinse, repeat)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    He gave out classified information without any regard for this country, but in a selfish pique of ego. He gave out EVERYTHING he got his slimy little pathetic hands on. He's no hero, and whether he is put to death or more likely, and deservedly, left to rot for the rest of his worthless days without any attention and any love shown his way(except for the pathetic leftists who will honor him for all his betrayals because America is completely without merit in their world view, who will be bored with him when a new hero to their cause eventually emerges...rinse, repeat)
    Did he?

    Did Manning discuss his plans with you?

    If he did - for your crystal clear declaration suggests that you were privy to his plans - why are you not providing testimony at his trial?

    Manning's heroic whistle blowing reminds us that there are patriotic Americans such as Manning who are willing to stand up to the Chinese by exposing so many security lapses in the DODs communications networks.

    I say reward Manning with a medal and a well paid job as an anti hacking consultant at the DOD defending America's interests from the ongoing successful hacking activities of the enemies of the United States.

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    Four corners discussed Manning at length.
    He sounds like a HERO ....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Manning is a traitor. Death penalty for him.

    Removal from duty and prison time for the idiots that made the secret classified documents so readily available.
    It is my understanding that the idiots are those who make it easy for the enemies of the United States to access secrets and use those secrets to manufacture weapons or weapons platforms that could be used against the United States.

    I quote :

    Some argue that the Shen Fei is a result of some pretty serious cyber-espionage, which may explain why Panetta brought up "the growing threat posed to both economic and security interests by cyber intrusions"

    http://thediplomat.com/2012/09/21/ch...ighter-gambit/

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    I get a personal laugh out of the anti-hacking nonsense. Manning was given access to the information. he didn't sleuth it out. He was given access because he promised not to give that information to anyone else upon penalty up to and including death (I know the oath quite well) ... He then broke that trust and took items that did not belong to him and gave them to others to hurt the US. Regardless of whether it was because he felt funny inside or had a serious case of 'i dont know' is immaterial. He divulged secrets he was given access too after swearing upon penalty of death to not do so....

    Hacking... that fucking coward couldn't crack his own facebook account much less encrypted firewalls... you guys are so silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Where is this "wussification" that you troll of Jack? I'll bite.
    Here's a recent example.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sold...ng-chick-fil-a

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I get a personal laugh out of the anti-hacking nonsense. Manning was given access to the information. he didn't sleuth it out. He was given access because he promised not to give that information to anyone else upon penalty up to and including death (I know the oath quite well) ... He then broke that trust and took items that did not belong to him and gave them to others to hurt the US. Regardless of whether it was because he felt funny inside or had a serious case of 'i dont know' is immaterial. He divulged secrets he was given access too after swearing upon penalty of death to not do so....

    Hacking... that fucking coward couldn't crack his own facebook account much less encrypted firewalls... you guys are so silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Hacking... that fucking coward couldn't crack his own facebook account much less encrypted firewalls... you guys are so silly.
    Manning was so successful at revealing the security flaws in the Army's communications networks that the generals are now trying him for treason well aware that their failings permitted Manning to blow the whistle on their failures to secure their communications network.

    Blame the lower ranks......

    Hardly the action of a private soldier with Manning's high IQ nor of a soldier who easily de-cyphered a communications network currently being hacked daily by the enemies of the United States a fact of life acknowledged by Secretary of Defense Panetta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Manning was so successful at revealing the security flaws in the Army's communications networks that the generals are now trying him for treason well aware that their failings permitted Manning to blow the whistle on their failures to secure their communications network.

    Blame the lower ranks......

    Hardly the action of a private soldier with Manning's high IQ nor of a soldier who easily de-cyphered a communications network currently being hacked daily by the enemies of the United States a fact of life acknowledged by Secretary of Defense Panetta.

    You really believe that... well if it makes you sleep nice at night. Do not confuse the (fmr) Sec Def pan handling for money with real information.

    Manning did not hack anything. The only thing he altered in the community was the extent of two person accountability and the restriction on data transfer... now officers control all data movement because scum like manning cannot be trusted. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    You really believe that... well if it makes you sleep nice at night. Do not confuse the (fmr) Sec Def pan handling for money with real information.

    Manning did not hack anything. The only thing he altered in the community was the extent of two person accountability and the restriction on data transfer... now officers control all data movement because scum like manning cannot be trusted. .
    That's why Manning has spent most of his prison time incarcerated in solitary confinement...such a low risk.

    That's why Manning is being tried for treason ....to shut him up....for fear he may expose the incompetence of the higher ranks.

    Manning hacked and downloaded State Department documents that embarrassed the powers that be..that's why he was incarcerated in solitary confinement and is being tried for treason....had Manning stolen his unit's petty cash I doubt whether he would be receiving so much bitter attention from the general staff.

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    That is from wiki but feel free to validate the sourced material....
    For his restarting basic training in January 2008, see Nicks 2012, p. 73.
    For the army needing intelligence analysts, and for the top-security clearance, see Nakashima, May 4, 2011, and for the "TS/SCI security clearance," see Nicks 2012, p. 116.
    For "unprecedented access to state secrets," see Nicks 2012, p. 117.
    Also see Fishman, July 3, 2011, p. 2.
    For the reprimand regarding YouTube, see Nicks, September 23, 2010; also see Nicks 2012, p. 75.
    For the 10th Mountain Division, 2nd Brigade, see Nicks 2012, p. 82
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    Assigned to an army unit based near Baghdad, Manning had access to databases used by the United States government to transmit classified information. He was arrested after Adrian Lamo, a computer hacker, told the FBI that Manning had confided during online chats that he had downloaded material from these databases and passed it to WikiLeaks.
    Again ... having access and talking to a hacker does not make you a hacker... subtleties of English I know but there it is...

    Manning was in protective custody, a system of deprivation and isolation for inmates that choose to harm themselves. Hundreds, if not thousands, of inmates across the US are under similar conditions. He was being held at Quantico which primarily housed Marines so the marines were also afraid of allowing him to interact with Marines who were criminals because they were still Marines and the last thing they wanted was a dead Bradley Manning. Then the fucking idiot conspiracy theorists would have had a field day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Manning was in protective custody, a system of deprivation and isolation for inmates that choose to harm themselves. Hundreds, if not thousands, of inmates across the US are under similar conditions. He was being held at Quantico which primarily housed Marines so the marines were also afraid of allowing him to interact with Marines who were criminals because they were still Marines and the last thing they wanted was a dead Bradley Manning. Then the fucking idiot conspiracy theorists would have had a field day.
    This is the excuse provided by the DOD whereas, Manning's lawyer declared that his visits with Manning evidenced no such risk of suicide on the contrary the solitary confinement was entirely a matter of revenge by the powers that be for having been caught with their pants down.

    There is a world of difference between solitary confinement and solitary occupation of a cell.

    The Army blaming the Marines......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Is there anything in "Four corners" program that is not accurate ?
    What four corners program?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    This is the excuse provided by the DOD whereas, Manning's lawyer declared that his visits with Manning evidenced no such risk of suicide on the contrary the solitary confinement was entirely a matter of revenge by the powers that be for having been caught with their pants down.

    There is a world of difference between solitary confinement and solitary occupation of a cell.

    The Army blaming the Marines......
    Whatever... his defense also managed to drag it out over three years.... and now they claim he has been unfairly imprisoned for three years. Had they went the normal routoe of trial by peers he would already be properly fucking shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Whatever... his defense also managed to drag it out over three years.... and now they claim he has been unfairly imprisoned for three years. Had they went the normal routoe of trial by peers he would already be properly fucking shot.
    Such bizarre conjecture remote from reality is appealing to those who neglect to recognise the service that Manning provided for the United States when whistle blowing the easy hacking of the Army's and the State Department's communications networks a service which should be rewarded with a medal and employment as an anti hacking consultant protecting America's secrets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    What four corners program?
    In that case, he done NOTHING wrong !!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^
    I think i have to agree , knee-jerk reactions are never a good idea , especially if it means the taking of another`s life .

    I can understand the feeling of betrayal that many Americans are talking about , but this kinda reminds me of "grabbing the knitting and heading off for a good day at the executions" .
    Yes. Knee jerk reactions like "give him the death penalty" are the response of those who don't have a clue of the situation. They're the response of moronic sheep who blindly follow what they're told to follow.

    These are human beings they're dealing with.

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    Manning did not hack the data so he is of no value when it comes to counter intelligence and cyber security. He didn't need to hack the data. He had the security clearance with open access to it. He just saved it to a CD and took it home with him. Then gave it away. He has no special skills.

    And it's called treason. Leaking national security to our enemies does not make one a hero. I can see people being on his side if he leaked data about things the government is doing that are bad for us. But giving away national security secrets that endanger the lives of the people protecting us is hardly what I would call heroic. He deserves life in prison, or better yet, execution.

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    And it's called treason. Leaking national security to our enemies does not make one a hero. I can see people being on his side if he leaked data about things the government is doing that are bad for us. But giving away national security secrets that endanger the lives of the people protecting us is hardly what I would call heroic. He deserves life in prison, or better yet, execution.
    It's always said that it is better to show than to tell. Last time I checked, it is not treasonous to show the world what the U.S. does--transparency is popular concept. It is treason to give state secrets to the enemy--but what evidence is there that shows the enemy has been able to capitalize on it? Yes, it is sensitive material, but has it been put to any use?

    So far as I can tell, a coup has not been staged and the country is not under siege.

    As far as punishment, I don't see the need for one. Nor do I see the immediate need for medals; if in time we find that it really did make an overwhelmingly positive difference, we can re-evaluate. I think it'd wise for Bradley Manning to seek asylum in another country, but I don't think the U.S. government has much reason to hold him for life or execute him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Such bizarre conjecture remote from reality is appealing to those who neglect to recognise the service that Manning provided for the United States when whistle blowing the easy hacking of the Army's and the State Department's communications networks a service which should be rewarded with a medal and employment as an anti hacking consultant protecting America's secrets.
    He should be rewarded a bullet in his head for making everyone's job twice as hard as it used to be because of a cowards in our midst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    It's always said that it is better to show than to tell. Last time I checked, it is not treasonous to show the world what the U.S. does--transparency is popular concept. It is treason to give state secrets to the enemy--but what evidence is there that shows the enemy has been able to capitalize on it? Yes, it is sensitive material, but has it been put to any use?

    So far as I can tell, a coup has not been staged and the country is not under siege.

    As far as punishment, I don't see the need for one. Nor do I see the immediate need for medals; if in time we find that it really did make an overwhelmingly positive difference, we can re-evaluate. I think it'd wise for Bradley Manning to seek asylum in another country, but I don't think the U.S. government has much reason to hold him for life or execute him.
    In the same breath proponents of Bradley try to give him credit for the Arab Spring... their are a shit ton of dead Muslims and no change in their governments that would disagree that he did any harm if one believes he inspired the Arab Spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Such bizarre conjecture remote from reality is appealing to those who neglect to recognise the service that Manning provided for the United States when whistle blowing the easy hacking of the Army's and the State Department's communications networks a service which should be rewarded with a medal and employment as an anti hacking consultant protecting America's secrets.

    Bizarre conjecture??? the defense proceedings are public knowledge. What conjecture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I have been there three times....
    So you didn't watch the program.
    Hence you didn't answer the question if the details in the video are accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    So you didn't watch the program.
    Hence you didn't answer the question if the details in the video are accurate.
    Telstra I wouldn't answer some silly ass expose video anyways. Just pretend I used the videos details to tell you how ridiculous and mental the entire thing was.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Telstra I wouldn't answer some silly ass expose video anyways. Just pretend I used the videos details to tell you how ridiculous and mental the entire thing was.....
    You accused Four corners investigative reporters of mental illness ?


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    Manning is a traitor and should rot.

    A whistleblower is someone who turns over SELECTED information related to SPECIFIC wrongdoing by the government. Someone like Daniel Elsburg.

    Manning just handed over a massive data dump of whatever classified material he could get his hand on. Most of this information was not in any way related to any wrongdoing and just served to compromise US diplomats and foreign operatives in their duties.
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    In the same breath proponents of Bradley try to give him credit for the Arab Spring... their are a shit ton of dead Muslims and no change in their governments that would disagree that he did any harm if one believes he inspired the Arab Spring.
    I certainly wouldn't give all the credit to Manning on the Arab Spring. It was inevitable--I feel that he just expedited the process. I only have a rough idea what he leaked--a few airstrikes and several hundred thousand war files, Iraq and otherwise. Eventually the public would've become aware of the corruption; there was too much to keep it a secret forever.

    Once one country would start seeing riots, the others would follow domino-style in much the same way they did. Manning certainly wasn't the only cause of Arab Spring--elections had been disputed, the masses had become disenchanted with the government, human rights issues, the food shortage a few years before, etc.

    I hold that Manning has done little direct harm to our national security. A few diplomats had to relocate, an operation here and there had to be cancelled and some old secrets were dug up.

    Do you think Manning was the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to Arab Spring?

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    No i laugh about the heights to which some hold manning... bottom line he had access and abused it for his own ends of revenge on a Army he despised. The fact is he really didn't know what he was releasing and what harm it would do. That isn't whistle blowing, it is reckless, and when you sign an oath that you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if you divulge such things -- well then that is what you get.
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    Just to be clear--I think Wikileaks is to blame. They only published a few at first, then, shit hit the fan and they [quite stupidly] released the rest. I don't necessarily fault Manning...Wikileaks should've known better than to dump their whole stash.

    Wikileaks is a mouthpiece for whistleblowers--and it should be a filter, not a sieve. The whistleblowing stopped after the first batch. From there on, it's all Wikileaks.

    So, to an extent I agree with you. But I think the fall should come down on Wikileaks.

    If I had to pick a punishment for Manning, it'd be to revoke his right to live in the United States. That way, he has absolutely no access and we don't have to get our hands dirty. He can live in Switzerland for all I care. I think any decoration will be posthumous. Or at least not for several decades. We have to see how it plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Just to be clear--I think Wikileaks is to blame. They only published a few at first, then, shit hit the fan and they [quite stupidly] released the rest. I don't necessarily fault Manning...Wikileaks should've known better than to dump their whole stash.

    Wikileaks is a mouthpiece for whistleblowers--and it should be a filter, not a sieve. The whistleblowing stopped after the first batch. From there on, it's all Wikileaks.

    So, to an extent I agree with you. But I think the fall should come down on Wikileaks.

    If I had to pick a punishment for Manning, it'd be to revoke his right to live in the United States. That way, he has absolutely no access and we don't have to get our hands dirty. He can live in Switzerland for all I care. I think any decoration will be posthumous. Or at least not for several decades. We have to see how it plays out.
    That guy will never be decorated for betraying the United States. That would be the same as pissing in the face of every veteran that ever existed. Wikileaks I hold less to blame. They are like the NY Times in that they are simply reporting. Only one human being made a decision that caused this and it wasn't Julian Assange.
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