Guys of all orientations "experimenting" how common is it really?

[DDre13]

Guys of all orientations "experimenting"" Exactly how common do you guys think it is?
Hello, I've been lurking this site for a while now and I finally decided to make a profile. Since being on this site and reading the comments I've often been wondering after the topic of guys "experimenting" homosexually without actually being gay. Women get away with it in this society and from I could see are thought of as the only gender who does experiment. But since browsing this site and seeing some comments I've wondered if that's actually true...and so on to my question.

I read in Kinsey that about 40% of guys had a same-sex experience before while for women it was only 20%. I think now the numbers for women are higher while for men iit's around the same since society hasn't tolerated it any better. We never hear about it though. But on here, gay guys are always sayig how many "straight' guys they've been with so I'm wondering which gender really experimenents more. So do you guys think guys experiment with homosexuality as much as girls or even more than girls, but NEVER ever tell anyone about it?

I'm curious as to what gay or bi guys think about this topic.

[chewchilla]

Like you say, I don't think the numbers are higher for women, society just looks at women together as non-taboo these days. The media is striving to get as much same sex material on TV, movies, and on the net; they do this to boost ratings and satisfy the LGBT community.....so they have women in same sex scenarios because heterosexual men love to see women together.

[chewchilla]

I've been "experimenting" with guys for 25 years......

[Joe06877]

I've been "experimenting" with guys for 25 years......

Only been experimenting for 10 years, here......I'm still trying to decide if I like it.

[peeonme]

I think that the Kinsey survey is somewhat skewed, I believe that the 40% includes young teens that have just entered puberty and it might contain events that are "mildly" gay, comparison of size, masturbating together etc.
Also I have read that it contains input from those who engaged in "institutional" homosexuality, i.e. prison, reformatory and so on.
I think that the desire to experiment is higher than we could believe, men being what they are would never own up to wanting to try sucking a cock or getting fucked, they would feel that it would take away their masculinity, in our culture that is everything to a guy.
If we want an idea of the true nature of sexuality in males I think that history shows us a good picture in ancient civilizations such as Greece or Rome.
With out societal constraints men in those time were apt to engage in gay acts, actually they were just viewed as sexual acts, no gay or straight labels were applied, men just had sex.

[medic1]

I think that the Kinsey survey is somewhat skewed, I believe that the 40% includes young teens that have just entered puberty and it might contain events that are "mildly" gay, comparison of size, masturbating together etc.
Also I have read that it contains input from those who engaged in "institutional" homosexuality, i.e. prison, reformatory and so on.
I think that the desire to experiment is higher than we could believe, men being what they are would never own up to wanting to try sucking a cock or getting fucked, they would feel that it would take away their masculinity, in our culture that is everything to a guy.
If we want an idea of the true nature of sexuality in males I think that history shows us a good picture in ancient civilizations such as Greece or Rome.
With out societal constraints men in those time were apt to engage in gay acts, actually they were just viewed as sexual acts, no gay or straight labels were applied, men just had sex.

This is a fantastic post , i believe that The Spartans had male lovers who they fought beside in battle , when you see someone you care about fighting for their lives then i would think this would make you more ferocious in your protection of them , this i think is one of the reasons why they had such a fearsome reputation .

[LeicsDom]

My personal opinion is that women experimenting is much more socially acceptable. That doesn't mean that less men do. Just that they are much more discreet. This is probably because men are raised to value their masculinity and and taught that gay sex demasculates them, especially the thought of anal sex.
Many bi or bi-curious guys I know are very wary of any sort of anal play unless they are completely top.

[LeicsDom]

I think that the desire to experiment is higher than we could believe

In high school I 'experimented' with more than half of my classmates. Scouring Friends Reunited I see that some 90% of them are now married with kids.

[Str8Top14701]

There's a joke that goes "90% of all men admit to masturbating. Conclusion: 10% of men have no arms. Only 80% of women admit to masturbating, which means that women are bigger liars than men."

I know way more women that experimented with other women in their tweens and teens, but also the type of experimentation is different then for men. Women tend to have practiced kissing with other girls, which many don't consider sexual. With guys, kissing isn't usually a part of the experimenting in their adolescence, most of it being masturbation and oral. I've also noticed that for most guys that the experimentation was because they didn't have access to girls for various reasons.

[DDre13]

So do you know more girls that have experimented overall, or have just experimented with kissing, while the guys had sex?

[undieswearer]

Girls are more likely to Make Out with one another than two "straight" guys. Two dudes kissing is a touch weird to most, guys typically want to skip foreplay and just get to it.

[DDre13]

Yes, but I am talking about experimenting in general. I am saying that although girls are more likely to make out, guys are more likely to overall experiment, usually being oral or masturbation.

[Str8Top14701]

Keep in mind that a good deal of those straight people, in the situations that are being described, don't see it as experimenting with their sexuality. They'll see it as "practice", as in the girl kissing girls; or "relief", in the case of guys resorting to guys because females aren't available.

That being said: Some of those girls will keep kissing girls, admitting to liking that, but not wanting more. And with the guys, I'm always amused when I hear story after story about two guys that went out to a bar looking for pussy, had bit too much to drink, struck out finding women, then went to one of their places, popped in some porn, and ended up in at least a mutual jack off session, and usually more. WTF did they think was going to happen when they decided to put the porn on?

[DDre13]

Keep in mind that a good deal of those straight people, in the situations that are being described, don't see it as experimenting with their sexuality. They'll see it as "practice", as in the girl kissing girls; or "relief", in the case of guys resorting to guys because females aren't available.

That being said: Some of those girls will keep kissing girls, admitting to liking that, but not wanting more. And with the guys, I'm always amused when I hear story after story about two guys that went out to a bar looking for pussy, had bit too much to drink, struck out finding women, then went to one of their places, popped in some porn, and ended up in at least a mutual jack off session, and usually more. WTF did they think was going to happen when they decided to put the porn on?

You never answered my question...sad face...

[Str8Top14701]

There are studies that show it, starting with Kinsey and Masters & Johnson, but it also depends what study you want to read, and if you want to buy into their method and numbers.

It's not that hard to figure out just through cultural observations. How many times, in life or in media, have you heard about guys having slumber parties where the guys would play "kissing games"? Zero. Just listen to women talk about it casually, and they'll say "It was just kissing." Guys, if they admit to anything, might talk about a circle jerk or some game made of it (who came cum first, "limp biscuit", etc), no kissing. If kissing does happen between straight guys it's usually after something else sexual has happened.

[DDre13]

Yes, but I was just talking about experiment in general. Like which gender does it more. I know that girls talk about it way more. That is why I put in the thread that girls talk about it, but guys still do it more but. No one will ever know.

[DDre13]

I wasn't just restricting experimenting to kiss, since that seems to be the last thing guys do.

[Str8Top14701]

Various studies show that somewhere between 48% and 51% of all males have had some kind of homoerotic experience. But that's assuming the men taking the study answered honestly. Even as extensive as Kinsey, Masters & Johnson, et al, were, it's also going to reflect the mores of the times and the society. In the US, about 6% of women surveyed have engaged in some kind of bestiality, but in Brazil the number is about double. So does that mean one country's women are more open, or bigger liars? Nor does it explain why, either.

[DDre13]

Various studies show that somewhere between 48% and 51% of all males have had some kind of homoerotic experience. But that's assuming the men taking the study answered honestly. Even as extensive as Kinsey, Masters & Johnson, et al, were, it's also going to reflect the mores of the times and the society. In the US, about 6% of women surveyed have engaged in some kind of bestiality, but in Brazil the number is about double. So does that mean one country's women are more open, or bigger liars? Nor does it explain why, either.

I wonder how long it will take to get guys to admit to this lol

[Str8Top14701]

As long as it takes for them to get the one extra drink in them that will drop their filter into their stomachs!

[geist5of7]

I think that many more guys have experimenting fantasies than actually experiment, but more women actually experiment. . If that makes sense. The person who pointed out that our culture accepts women doing it was spot on. like he said: the taboo isn't as strong for women, so they don't have to worry about being outted and reviled.

[MatttheBruinsfan]

I've experimented with a few guys who were legitimately straight and just curious about a new experience, but the majority of times it was just bi or gay men who didn't want to come out of the closet, or banked on the pretense of being straight making them more attractive to men.

The Kinsey surveys were pretty skewed because they included a lot of men who'd been in prison - where same-sex activity was the only game in town. Modern studies that use better sampling methods tend to put the proportion of guys who've had sex with another man at about 15%, with maybe half of that number identifying as gay.

[andy12]

The problem is that since same-sex anything is taboo, that taboo will 1) decrease the number of men who actively want to have relationships/sex with other men (they're afraid) 2) decrease the number willingly admit having had such relationships. With that said, the number of men acknowledging having had same-sex relationships (middle-aged and lower) is about 5%: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

The terminology is obviously biased. Experimentation implies that it must be some sort of deviation from the norm. It's a double standard since teenaged males will only be accused of experimentation (even by "tolerant" people) if it's with another guy. You probably won't hear, "Yeah, Tom is experimenting with Suzie. We just don't want to put a label on it since he could prefer sucking dicks after all." So the word is belittling and heteronormative. Let's not use it, okay

So the answer is that same-sex sex is probably more common than the self-reported 5% and (given a few other reasons) would near universal without the current taboos.