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    IRS targets conservative groups

    The majority on this form probably care very little for conservative groups, but this is a serious abuse of power by the IRS. If it were liberals they were targeting we would be screaming bloody murder.

    Power corrupts !!!!!!!!!!!!! And the IRS has tremendous power. They are the only agency that can empty your bank account without your permission and without a court order.

    We all must work together to perserve our rights. With Homeland Security and the IRS we have lost enough..................

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    You wanna link us to the story or are you the equivalent of a homeless man squawking about the end of the world through a sign? Becuase it's been done, and in far more entertaining ways.

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    I call it very inappropriate. Story at

    http://news.yahoo.com/irs-apologizes...144349480.html

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    Solution? Do away with non-profits...make EVERYONE pay equal taxes.

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    Well now that i've read the story, it just cements that the IRS are equal opportunity jackasses - but all you had to do was ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes, among others, about them and you would have known that already.
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    It's more in their failure to abide by tax laws and disclose the contributions they have received. That is against the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadtripboy View Post
    Solution? Do away with non-profits...make EVERYONE pay equal taxes.
    So folks who are getting contributions so they can root out invasive species and replace them with native ones, to preserve the local look and ecology, should pay taxes just like a company which knowingly pollutes the local water table just for a few more bucks should be treated the same?

    What the NfP status does is save the IRS a lot of work: they know those groups aren't looking for ways to avoid the law and squeeze out more pennies for the stockholders, public-be-damned.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Well now that i've read the story, it just cements that the IRS are equal opportunity jackasses - but all you had to do was ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes, among others, about them and you would have known that already.
    Bravo!

    It comes with being bureaucrats with tenure: since they don't have to stand for re-election, they try to use their power in whatever ways they can get away with.

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    ^Yes that's what I want. The groups doing real work will remain. The groups that have been formed to to make money from the gullible will move on to a new con.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Well now that i've read the story, it just cements that the IRS are equal opportunity jackasses - but all you had to do was ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes, among others, about them and you would have known that already.
    Or Willie Nelson.

    Isn't the IRS allowed to enforce their own tax laws, though? A "501 c. 3" is a nonprofit which is formed for the purpose of education, science, or charity. Such a corporation is NOT allowed to heavily involve themselves in political speech and advocacy, and remain tax-exempt. Some of these "nonprofits" are BLATANTLY involved in deep political shit (usually, but not always, in support of Republicans or their pet issues), and they are SUPPOSED to be audited, and required to either get out of politics, or face the consequences (losing their exempt status). For some of these non-profits, their ENTIRE raison d'etre is to get as many Republicans elected as possible.

    May the organization engage in lobbying? Yes, but only an insubstantial portion [of] activities may be lobbying

    May the organization engage in political election campaign activity? No

    Many of the nonprofits which cater to Republican causes are flagrantly abusing their limited powers, stepping entirely outside the bounds of what tax-exempt organizations are allowed to do.

    There are churches and ENTIRE RELIGIONS, also, which are stepping outside these bounds, and those entities should be held accountable, also.

    But, I would also throw a BIG bone to the extreme-fringe right wingers, and assert that the Federal Reserve should also be audited - NOW!!! That entity is NOT even part of the government, despite widespread belief. It is a license to print money (literally), and it is tantamount to welfare of the very worst possible kind for those few privileged families who hold the power there.

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    Government employees tend to be Democrats because the expansion of the bureaucracies tends to occur during Democrat Presidencies, and because Democrats favor high taxes, more government and bigger budgets, so more opportunities for advancement and bigger salaries.

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    ^ Personal remarks could go in a PM

    On-topic. The socialists who hold power in my nation have added 20,000 desk-bound bureaucrats to our federal administration since they got the power six years ago.

    One of their ideas was a tax on "carbon". It hasn't reduced pollution but it meant extra desk-bound bureaucrats to shuffle paper back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Government employees tend to be Democrats because the expansion of the bureaucracies tends to occur during Democrat Presidencies, and because Democrats favor high taxes, more government and bigger budgets, so more opportunities for advancement and bigger salaries.
    unfortunately there are too many Republican government employees in Congress a majority and in the Senate, nearly a majority-- who love all the gov benefits you mention---wish they would all go in to the private sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadtripboy View Post
    ^Yes that's what I want. The groups doing real work will remain. The groups that have been formed to to make money from the gullible will move on to a new con.
    Ah. Similar, then, to my idea that no executive for a NfP group should get more in total compensation than the US president.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: IRS targets conservative groups

    Bureaucrats strongly tend to be Democrat for three reasons: the agencies are most often created and expanded during Democrat administrations, and, being on the government payroll, bureaucrats want more taxes to pay for bigger budgets, more people, bigger salaries i.e. tax and spend.
    Also, agencies are usually formed by the Democrats to hurt, i.e.regulate business, and so, are ideologically more likely to attract liberal/socialist employees than Republican ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    ^ Personal remarks could go in a PM

    On-topic. The socialists who hold power in my nation have added 20,000 desk-bound bureaucrats to our federal administration since they got the power six years ago.

    One of their ideas was a tax on "carbon". It hasn't reduced pollution but it meant extra desk-bound bureaucrats to shuffle paper back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Bureaucrats strongly tend to be Democrat for three reasons: the agencies are most often created and expanded during Democrat administrations, and, being on the government payroll, bureaucrats want more taxes to pay for bigger budgets, more people, bigger salaries i.e. tax and spend.
    Also, agencies are usually formed by the Democrats to hurt, i.e.regulate business, and so, are ideologically more likely to attract liberal/socialist employees than Republican ones.
    I'm willing to wager, that reality isn't a major factor where you live.

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    The Tea Baggers now want action from a government they hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ah. Similar, then, to my idea that no executive for a NfP group should get more in total compensation than the US president.
    We finally agree with you on something. Also non profits should be required to make detailed financial statements readily available on the internet, including officers compensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike10 View Post
    The Tea Baggers now want action from a government they hate.
    Against a part they hate even more....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    We finally agree with you on something. Also non profits should be required to make detailed financial statements readily available on the internet, including officers compensation.
    Maybe not on the internet, but they should be required to reveal all that information to members, and what members do with it should be up to them.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Also non profits should be required to make detailed financial statements readily available on the internet, including officers compensation.
    That information is available, if you know where to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    That information is available, if you know where to look.
    That "knowing" is the problem. Such organizations should be totally transparent at least to their members -- and not concerned about the public knowing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Well now that i've read the story, it just cements that the IRS are equal opportunity jackasses - but all you had to do was ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes, among others, about them and you would have known that already.
    No apology for acting like a dickhead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    We finally agree with you on something. Also non profits should be required to make detailed financial statements readily available on the internet, including officers compensation.
    I like this common ground spirit, and it's common sense policy as well. Charity shouldn't provide hefty compensations for their leadership.... if at least 80 % of money raised doesn't go directly to those intended to be served (at least in the minds of contributors) it's just not worth supporting.
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    The IRS targeting groups with "US Constitution", "Bill of Rights", etc. in their names just blows my mind.

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    My conspiracy theory is that the IRS was collaborating with Big Sis Napolitano of Homeland Security. Previous statements and actions by her suggest she is obsessed with the possibility of a violent "right wing" revolt. For instance, she has buying up huge quantities of ammunition. For what purpose, excerpt domestic violence? At one time she suggested that returning veterans should be investigated because they might be right wingers.
    The IRS's action make more sense if you assume that they are generating a list in anticipation of violence. From some of the groups, they have demanded a list of volunteers-- irrelevant for tax purposes, but helpful for the Democrat enemies list.

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    The tea party is already under the microscope of every American intelligence agency. I dont see what the big deal is other than they are acting politically, but what about Bush V Gore or Citizen United, where was conservative outrage there? Isnt this just more republican overreaching? How do we know the Obama administration has anything to do with this? We dont.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bike10 View Post
    The Tea Baggers now want action from a government they hate.
    If the tea party had their way they would starve to death from their welfare being cut off.

    Their businesses would go bankrupt from their corporate welfare being cut off as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio
    Government employees tend to be Democrats because the expansion of the bureaucracies tends to occur during Democrat Presidencies, and because Democrats favor high taxes, more government and bigger budgets, so more opportunities for advancement and bigger salaries.
    And the majority of poor in this country are republicans.

    Government expanded faster than it has in 70 years while Bush was president.

    Bush put 8 million Americans into poverty, a 26% increase, 2/3rds of that came before the 2008 depression Bush started.

    And yes Democrats favor higher taxes, thats a good thing.

    While Bush was President, incomes dropped over 4%.. while Bush cut taxes by $1000, that doesnt make up for the $2500
    you lost when Bush was president.

    So while taxes were lower, your income was much lower. Where did that other $1500 go? To the rich, to pay for their tax cuts, which propelled us into unparalleled deficit spending.

    Under Clinton the total number of Americans in poverty declined 16.9 per cent; under Bush it increased 26.1 per cent.

    Under Clinton the number of children in poverty declined 24.2 per cent; under Bush it increased by 21.4 per cent.
    Republicans dont know how to run a country.

    Republicans dont know how to protect America from terrorists.

    Republicans dont know how to protect our liberties.

    Republicans are destroying America because they don't care about Americans.

    If Republicans cared about Americans, they wouldn't let them starve on the streets, let them die in skyscrapers, let them be tortured, let them go without healthcare, let them lose their homes and jobs and communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    The majority on this form probably care very little for conservative groups, but this is a serious abuse of power by the IRS. If it were liberals they were targeting we would be screaming bloody murder.

    Power corrupts !!!!!!!!!!!!! And the IRS has tremendous power. They are the only agency that can empty your bank account without your permission and without a court order.

    We all must work together to perserve our rights. With Homeland Security and the IRS we have lost enough..................
    Its not quite the same abuse of power John Boehner used when he allowed his party to hold America hostage to the debt ceiling. John Boehner used the AMT as a bargaining chip because he know it affected democrats more, because democrats pay more taxes than republicans through the alternative minimum tax.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    The tea party is already under the microscope of every American intelligence agency. I dont see what the big deal is other than they are acting politically, but what about Bush V Gore or Citizen United, where was conservative outrage there? Isnt this just more republican overreaching? How do we know the Obama administration has anything to do with this? We dont.
    You will recall that in Gore v Bush, the FL, all-Democrat Supreme Court changed the law, during the count, to allow the Democrat dominated counting boards could use their judgement whether dimples etc shoul be counted even though the rules required the holes to be punched out. The USSC correctly held the change in law was unconstitutional. In Citizens the court held the Congess shall pass no law abridging freedom of speech.

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