Are we going to have checkpoints at the store front to keep all the ugly fat people out?
Are we going to have checkpoints at the store front to keep all the ugly fat people out?
Good-looking people only? From a quick Google images search, it appears to me that he would be stopped at the door.
Suddenly anyone who would shop or work there is completely unattractive to me.
I really hate when anyone defines beauty for me.
I was born to two "beautiful people"...they were insane sadistic assholes from hell and just about as ugly inside as anyone could be. I am grateful to them, however, as they gave me a front row seat to the truth about "beauty" and thanks to them I avoided the usual pitfalls I see so many other people fall into.
Bland people, bland clothes.
"You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
- anonymous quote.
they're welcome to try whatever business model they think will work, even if that means alienating the majority of the people.
personally, I wouldn't shop at A&F purely based on the quality of their clothes... I bought a few sweaters from them a couple years back, and they were all fraying at the seams within months. last time I ever shopped there.
if I'm going to buy an article of clothing that's going to fall apart within a month, I may as well go to Old Navy instead.
Why would ANYBODY want to work there? Where is the job security?
Oh, we don't like your new haircut - YOU'RE FIRED!!
Oh, we see that your 30th birthday is coming up Wednesday. You're too old. YOU'RE FIRED!
Because you slipped on the ice, and tore a gash on your face, and you now have a scar, YOU'RE FIRED!
"All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
"But, hey, who cares about women and their rights when the religious liberty of a nationwide chain of arts and crafts stores is at stake?" - Daily Kos, 30 June 2014
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony
This guy is judging me? Please.
Last edited by sdrival; May 9th, 2013 at 04:38 PM.
I've seen loads of 'fat ugly old guys' wearing Abercrombie when I go out.
Personally the clothes are too ordinary for my taste.
Sounds to me he might have just opened himself up to lawsuits. Just takes 1 unattractive person to apply for a job and get turned down. Use this against A&F and have made case of discrimination.
I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.
I don't own any of it. But, it looks cheaply made, overpriced, the models look like HGH-pumped 16 y/o boys...and, well, he's a sight for sore eyes.
I also recall reading an article saying Abercrombie was financially tanking.
I don't know where the outrage lies - this has been what they're been striving for, for YEARS.
Are you sure that this isn't some sort of spurious campaign made by their competition to damage their brand? I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone could be that impossibly vapid, superficial and, above all, stupid. Surely, this is a joke or something of that sort. If it isn't, they need to send their marketing team back to the doctor who performed their lobotomies, so that they can try to reassemble their brains with the pieces they took off. It's obvious that the original procedures didn't work.
Well, I think there's already more than enough viewpoint against the CEO's opinion. So, here's one counter viewpoint to the general consensus here.
I for one do believe in a certain very mild form of voluntary eugenics. Every time I go into the inner city, I always see women with not-so-great clothing and attitude having a kazillion kids, all in not so great conditions. The more unattractive they look and economically unsuccessful they are, the more kids they seem to pump out. This isn't my opinion. This is a fact.
Now, some of you might want to point out that I myself am not that great looking and that I don't have that high of an IQ. And I would completely agree with you. That's why I've voluntarily cut genes from the gene pool. You won't find biological kids from me now or ever. I'll adopt, though.
It's been years since I had a 6-pack stomach. You could say I've been slacking off for a while. But you know what, no matter how much I've slacked off, my build is still average. I'm still holding steady at 175lb at 5'8. I don't understand how people can let themselves go so much that they need to wear xxxL.
Any of my boyfriends in the past can tell you that I don't have very high standards. But I do have some standards. In fact, if you ignore all the political correctness bullshit flying around, I'm willing to bet that my standards are a lot lower than yours. I've dated every guy from all ages, sizes, and shapes. The oldest was in his 60's. The biggest was about twice my size.
That said, I do have standards regardless of how low they are. And my standards aren't very hard to meet. Just don't let yourself go so much that you can't even see your own penis. As far as your face, I've dated a guy that had previously involved in a car crash that smashed his face. And I've dated a guy that was born with a facial birth defect.
So, again, I know a lot of politically correct people want to weigh in by now. And I say to you I will measure my own standards against yours any day to see who's lower. I'm honest about it.
Everyone has been very quick to point out that the CEO of Abercrombie isn't very good looking himself. And I say to you I don't think the man's goal is to aim at the most beautiful of beautiful people. His standards are probably way way lower than yours will ever be. The difference is he's honest about his standards and you're just lying right through your teeth just to be politically correct.
I can believe it. I don't like their stores. They are dark and there is a strong feeling of being watched and possibly ridiculed. But if that's the way they wanna be, I don't care. Let the beautiful people have their store. Fat women have Lane Bryant, don't they?
It's the honest truth that I think there are lots of fat people who are cool and good-lookin'. It's the honest truth that there's a certain amount of personal opinion involved in what makes people beautiful.
Jeffries' malice isn't a good version of the truth, it's a way to sell clothes. If that accords with your outlook, gross.
...and those of us who are fat guys have Casual Male Big and Tall!
Exclusionary tight-sphinctered fuckers with their pert little noses up their anorexic asses.
I can't walk by their store in the mall without sniffing their crappy androgynous cologne wafting from inside their little club house.
If they really think that ad is going to attract customers, I wouldn't want to patronize a business with that mindset. And it's really their loss because I have money to spend. Thankfully, I will never spend it there.
Sorry A&F, but your biased, prejudiced view does not meet my standards.
Last edited by ronboy; May 9th, 2013 at 06:26 PM.
The Three Musketeers... Bashful, Chrisglass, and Ronboy!
Its a business.
Why don't you argue against Miss USA or Miss Universe or Victoria secrets or the fashion industry in general ?
NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.
Think of them as like any specialty store that only sells certain things. A&F only sells clothes for fit, skinny people. Obviously, popularity doesn't truly matter, as anyone can go in there and buy clothes -- even fat people if they're buying for others. They can't check to see how popular you are before they ring you up (not yet, anyway). Their views may be bitchy, but so what? That's their business and that's how they get their edge. Someone wearing their clothes can feel special and like themselves for it. It isn't really all that different from girls who buy sexy outfits at the hooker stores, or ghetto fabulous people who buy their clothes that make them look like gangsters at the ghetto fashions stores that you see in every mall. Or the goth people and their clothes at Hot Topic (if that's even still goth anymore).
Last edited by Miss Bad Boy; May 9th, 2013 at 06:32 PM.
^^^(zoltanspawn)^^^ It has always been really weird for me to watch other people try to define beauty for everyone else...or hear people rate other people....or think their personal POV/opinion is the truth for anyone besides them. Working in a gay nightclub I got to hear it every night. I had to figure out a way to be true to myself without alienating my customers so I thought about it and I decided when someone asked me how they look or what I thought of this haircut or that shirt...this is what I said:
If I like you...I think you look great....period. If I dislike you...I think you look ugly...period. You could be a supermodel or 500 pounds with pimples...I don't care. If I don't know you...for me it is like looking at a field of cows. Everyone kinda looks the same until they differentiate themselves with their personality or attitude...and until that happens...just another cow in the pasture.
That worked...and I meant it. That is THE TRUTH... though my eyes. It doesn't have to be the truth for anyone else.
Any criticism of this US clothes retailer can also be made at JUB.
We don't have enough fat, ugly people on JUB's porn pages. But there may be plenty of fat, ugly people writing in on JUB's Hot Topics pages.
Want to ruin their business? Tell everyone to get fat! I highly encourage it. The president's wife, Michelle Obama, is on a mission herself to make everyone super skinny. She might as well be a spokesperson for Abercrombie & Fitch.
If everyone started getting fat, and it became the norm, Abercrombie & Fitch would change their ways. They'd start making those fat clothes.
I wonder if this ad is some kind of reverse psychology?
People want what they can't have, and they hate to be excluded. No one wants to be thought of as second class, or second choice.
Maybe an ad like this would drive a lot of "fat ugly" people with low self esteem into the store to buy their product. Marketing often shows clothing on perfect models giving "normal/average" (non-models) the false impression that they will look just as good in the clothes. I couldn't tell you how many clothes I've bought because I thought it was Hot on some one else.
Anyone could start up a clothing business dedicated to beautiful fat people. As I said earlier, Lane Bryant is such a business. Does Lane Bryant sell clothes to skinny people? Why not? Why aren't people attacking these stores for big people and demanding that they sell clothes for skinny minnies?
Healthy means being skinny. Of course she'd probably say, "Oh, you can be fat, but be fat AND HEALTHY" -- but come on -- get real -- it means everyone needs to be skinny. She's trying to stop obesity. She's monitoring calories in everything and replacing french fries with apple slices and such. I am against this. To me, it's as bad as the Abercrombie CEO. The government wants everyone to be skinny.Wanting everyone to be HEALTHY means she's a spokeswoman for Ambercrombie? I gotta admit, that level of stupidity takes some gargantuan balls.
Evidently he wasn't a "cool kid" in school - so he made his own group where he could get in..................I'll pass!!!
Supernaturally Charmed One!!!
My sister bought my birthday present from Hot Topic, I threw it away. I wouldn't even make the less fortunate wear something from there.
On the topic, it really does echo the feelings of a lot of the "cool kids" and isn't anything new for his company. I think it's the first time he's actually voiced it. I just won't shop there because the place is overpriced. I'm not going to be a label whore just to look cool.
That AF suggests fat people are not cool or beautiful.
What I'm saying about that suggestion is that I think it's malicious.
Obviously, people are at liberty to be malicious, or at liberty to use malice as their chosen business practice, right?
the A&F owner is ugly beyond belief because of his surgery/look.
NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.
Now, if they started hanging up posters in their windows that shockingly said up front to people that fat people were nasty and did not deserve to be in their stores -- let's say they made advertisements that ridiculed fat people -- THEN I would be outraged. But even then, I would wonder if it was truly all that bad. But that would probably start getting me more upset with them. As of now, all we seem to have, as far as I know, is these comments from the CEO. Publicly, I see them, in advertisements and such, just showing off hot young bodies modeling their clothes, running around with friends and having fun.
I don't think the CEO openly explaining why he doesn't make plus sized clothing is that bad. I am not surprised at all by it. That has always been how I took A&F. I like the fact that they have this motto. If I really want what they're offering so bad -- a feeling that I'm popular and beautiful -- that could be something I'd aspire to be. If I can't make it, I can't make it. It's a little sad and unfair, but I think that's how life is. We can't all be beautiful and popular.
Do I think fat people can be beautiful and popular? Absolutely. And I would rather support a store that makes plus sized clothing optional. But I also can't really blame A&F for doing a certain thing their way. So, I don't really think it's malicious. I don't see them obnoxiously trying to hurt fat people. The CEO might be a total asshole, but outside of him, I just see a store that's selling an image of a certain kind of beauty. If you were a skinny person who felt beautiful and wore their clothes, it might be marvelous knowing you shop there, whether or not you know the CEO's reasons for not making plus sized clothing. Let 'em have that. Let 'em feel special. Maybe that's the only way they can feel special.
And I think I have pretty high standards, as in I've mostly dated people that I found attractive. Thankfully, despite what Mr. Jeffries seems to want to project, people have very different ideas about what beauty is.
I LIKE guys that are older and a little bigger and I'll take a guy like this over any A&F model:
Is it just me or do these two favor?
Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.
This is a 68 year old man... I think he looks good! I really do.
I wouldn't mind looking like him at 68. Not at all.
Last edited by zoltanspawn; May 9th, 2013 at 08:54 PM.
I'm personally indifferent to them and their line of clothing. I've never shopped there, but I've had the...misfortune of walking by their store in the mall, and TASTING their $90 a bottle cologne (I was given a bottle once as a present).
Boycott the store. Shop at the store. I don't think he honestly cares. He has to target something, and attractive thin/toned people are it. Put on you big boy pants (pun-tastic!) and go cry him a fucking ocean if you're THAT enraged.
Personally, I'm not skinny or attractive. If I walked in there to buy something, and was given the cold shoulder by their staff, then I'd just shrug it off and make them feel two inches tall when I'm giving them excellent customer service at Walmart.