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    I think I already know the answer to this from what I see in our offices, but how many people here under the age of 25 can write using cursive script?

    How many people under the age of 25 have no idea what I mean by cursive script?

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    I write in my own unique scrawl. From a similar thread in here last year or so, it was largely regarded as hieroglyphics.

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    I personally write MUCH faster than I print.

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    "Im not drunk and slurring my speech, I'm speaking in cursive"

    I used to love writing in cursive, don't do it much anymore sadly. I always loved looking at a chalkboard at school and the teachers perfect handwriting, I would try to copy it all class. got pretty good too. But now that I don't need to write out checks, I don't get to do it much anymore.

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    We were taught cursive script at school and HAD to use it. Block capitals were not allowed
    On the rare occasions when I write more than a single sentence by hand I revert to cursive.
    It does look curiously formal these days. But that is not a bad thing to my eyes

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    I'm more than twice 25. My writing has devolved to a sort of cursive italic - joined lower case with slanted block capitals and no return stroke on descenders. My cursive was never graceful.

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    I kind of can. But I don't remember most of the capital letters and if I have to use it by surprise, I just kinda make it up. Haven't really used it much since elementary school, to be honest!
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    I am 28 years old and have over the years, been complemented by many on my "dexterity" in writing cursive script, despite being left-handed. In fact when I was a sophomore in high school, my elderly English teacher remarked how neat it was and was shocked to find out I was a southpaw! Mrs. Kostelny then remarked how her daughter, as a child, had struggled mightily catching onto how to link her letters in a flowing way with her particular left-handed grip and slant.

    Until I looked at it objectively, I never realized how much easier joined penmanship would be for one who was naturally right-handed. I merely mimicked my mother's D'nealian script (who is a righty) and adapted the letter shape for my left-handed grip. At least I have a "John Hancock" I can be downright cocky about!
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    What's a "southpaw"?

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    It's been my experience that penmanship of any kind is a dying breed. Rarely can I read anyone's handwriting, whether it's printed or cursive.

    I did have to learn cursive in grade school, and I took Calligraphy as an elective in High School.

    I have always been fascinated, and curious about the (now antiquated) short hand, and stenographer style of writing.
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    They are no longer teaching it in schools and are using that time to learn how to type, which is much more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    someone who's left-handed, I believe.

    also known as evil, devil's spawn, etc.
    I do hope you're being witty ironic or dryly humorous...because the only reason there is that connotation was due to a superstitious Abrahamic/Holy Land wives' tale.

    In classic Latin, "Dexter" and "Sinister" merely meant "Right" and "Left." Only after the proliferation of Christianity and Old Testament folk mythology, did left-handedness = evil/devilish.

    In fact, that's the whole crux/irony of the show "Dexter," which, as a given name, means either, "my/our right-hand man" or more symbolically "the right-hand man of God/The Lord." Basically a "sinister" serial killer who kills other serial killers.
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    22 and can't I hardly write anything these days or even hold a pencil.
    I always assumed doctors usually write using Cursive Script?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    Basically a "sinister" serial killer who kills other serial killers.
    Isn't he, then, a serial killer serial killer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaystorm View Post
    They are no longer teaching it in schools and are using that time to learn how to type, which is much more important.
    Well yes.

    Until you have a power failure, that is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Well yes.

    Until you have a power failure, that is...

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    I'm pretty sure they are still teaching how to write, but cursive is falling by the wayside.

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    22 and I can. I actually only write in cursive normally. If I want someone else to specifically read what I am writting then I don't. My hand writting is horrible so its easier for others to read if I don't write in cursive. I had to learn it in 3rd grade and it just kind of stuck.

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    It's all been downhill since we stopped using cuneiform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    you're right that I was joking, but you're wrong to blame Christianity.

    even in the Classic Latin era, "sinister" had the dual meaning of both left and evil... bias against the left was also observed in ancient Greece and China. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_ag...-handed_people)

    but it's all pretty silly.

    This is the theory I've heard, from your link:

    Negative associations in cultures [edit]

    The negative associations and connotations of the use of the left hand among cultures are varied. In some areas, in order to preserve cleanliness where sanitation was an issue, the right hand, as the dominant hand of most individuals, was used for eating, handling food, and social interactions. The left hand would then be used for personal hygiene, specifically after urination and defecation. These rules were imposed on all, no matter their dominant hand. Through these practices, the left hand became known as the "unclean" hand.[20] Currently, amongst Muslims and in some societies including Nepal and India it is still customary to use the left hand for cleaning oneself with water after defecating. The right hand is commonly known in contradistinction from the left, as the hand used for eating.
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    Haha actually, I very rarely write in cursive anymore, I just haven't had the reason to. Mostly just printing, to label things, fill out forms, etc.
    Are they seriously not teaching kids to write in cursive?! Pretty soon, they won't be teaching kids to write at all, just fucking typing.

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    I am older than many people on this site and I was first taught "printing" in the first grade and, in a later grade, "writing". A few years ago when I heard "cursive", I didn't know what it was but found out it was what used to be called writing. Cursive is faster than printing because you don't have to pick up your pencil as often. I can believe that typing will be the thing of the future. Of course, if there is a power outage, then there is trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaskGuy View Post
    "I know hell, I know damn, I know bi--"
    Haha actually, I very rarely write in cursive anymore, I just haven't had the reason to. Mostly just printing, to label things, fill out forms, etc.
    Are they seriously not teaching kids to write in cursive?! Pretty soon, they won't be teaching kids to write at all, just fucking typing.
    Yet coincidentally, many people suck at typing too. The "peckers" crack me up.

    I learned to write cursive and I found little use for it. I learned D'Nealian which is a tad different from script.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I have always been fascinated, and curious about the (now antiquated) short hand, and stenographer style of writing.
    I used to be able to do some shorthand.
    I believe it is still widely used

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    I quit using cursive in the 1960's when I flunked a spelling test. I actually spelled the words right but no one except me could read it.


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    I've been writing only in cursive as soon as I was taught how to, as that was how we were encouraged to write.

    I only print when the instructions on a form specify for it. Plus I write much slower having to print out each character individually anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickrock View Post
    I am older than many people on this site and I was first taught "printing" in the first grade and, in a later grade, "writing". A few years ago when I heard "cursive", I didn't know what it was but found out it was what used to be called writing. Cursive is faster than printing because you don't have to pick up your pencil as often. I can believe that typing will be the thing of the future. Of course, if there is a power outage, then there is trouble.
    I didn't know what "cursive" was until perhaps fifteen years ago. (Was it prevailing terminology before that?) I always called it "penmanship" instead, which was the word that "longhand" was taught to me under, in primary school. Until recent years, I don't recall hearing it referred to as anything other than these two terms, or simply "handwriting."

    Cursive is far faster for me than printing letters in all upper case.

    Oh, if there's a power outage, you aren't screwed at all. Just pull that dinosaur manual typewriter out of the stack of shit in the attic, and the dried-out ribbon might still be legible. Maybe include a piece of **carbon paper** so that the underneath copy is legible, just in case.

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    There literally is no need to teach anyone cursive. Most people who write faster with cursive do so simply because they've had more practice with it. I dropped cursive and reverted to using "print" when writing by hand sometime after college. I now "print" just as fast as I used to "write", and it's also much more legible. I'm happy schools are dropping it from the curriculum.

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    I'm 27, and I was taught to write in cursive. I wish I could go back and punch whoever tried to teach it to me in the balls. I want that time back. And the tiny little space it takes up in my memory, I want that back too.

    People who write in cursive and expect other people to read it are complete assholes. ITS LIKE PEOPLE WHO TALK ON THE INTERNET IN ALL CAPITALS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    It's all been downhill since we stopped using cuneiform.
    Don't tell me that some people aren't still using cuneiform? No wonder I haven't had a lot of replies to my clay tablets.....

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    By cursive do you mean writing like the Victorians? We never learned to write in that florid script, but we did learn how to join letters together so we could have flowing handwriting. I'm on the thin wedge of my early forties and I write faster joined up. In fact we called it joined up writing rather than cursive.

    If you think joined up writing isn't being taught, then you're clearly out of the school loop. My child is in year 1 of primary school, and they've been learning a set of letter shapes that enables the easy transition to joined up lessons to come in the future. Handwriting practice is encouraged at home and one of the major obstacles to good handwriting is finger and hand strength.

    You might not realise it, but one of the things that children lack nowadays due the change in playing behaviour with toys in use today is the exercise needed to improve finger dexterity and lasting strength. The school he attends is an ordinary state school, not some private tuition fee paid one. They have given parents the opportunity to learn how the school tackles the problem of tiny hands that tire easily when pupils are asked to write any length of text. They say that plasticine, tugging, pulling, pinching, stabbing, and squeezing activities help prime the young folks for the life with a pencil or pen. So if you have nephews or nieces that you adore or dote on and are primary school and pre-school, get them squeezy things like play dough (even if it makes a mess of their parent's carpets) or thing that require finger strength activities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Don't tell me that some people aren't still using cuneiform? No wonder I haven't had a lot of replies to my clay tablets.....
    Clay lost out to that new-fangled erasable wax tablet.

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    Well from a banal thread title I have learned somethings.

    I thought that everyone wrote in joined-up writing; for one of my generation I have always assumed that it was the adult thing to do.
    I certainly didn't know that some people were vehemently against it prefering to keep the more childlike and slower print writing.

    And that schools are no-longer teaching children how to write seems quite aberrant to me personally.

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    i know cursive (20 yo). but its much faster for me to write in print.
    and if you want to right fast, or neat, you shouldnt write in either cursive or print, you should type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I'm 30 and I can't.

    cursive is stupid... slower to write,
    It's not slower to write. It's faster.

    I think it's ridiculous that kids are no longer taught it. It's your choice to use or not, but it shouldn't be a choice to learn it or not.
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    I had an older relative who could only write in cursive and couldn't print.
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    Over the years, my cursive has evolved into an italic. The only difference between my cursive and my caps and lower case printing is that the letters are joined in the former, and they are both equally legible. My partner's cursive and printing are both largely illegible, and should be an embarrassment to him; that they aren't should be a source of embarrassment as well. I have recently noticed that my printing has come to look almost the same as my father's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachguyj View Post
    It's your choice to use or not, but it shouldn't be a choice to learn it or not.
    That's got to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard. It shouldn't be a CHOICE? What the fuck is wrong with you? That's like forcing them to learn to speak a dead language - a complete and total waste of time. Maybe they should have the choice to learn cursive if they really want to, but it should not take away any public school time, and no public school tax dollars should fund it, and NOBODY should be FORCED to learn it...

    Cursive writing is not a useful life skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondmonkey View Post
    That's got to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard. It shouldn't be a CHOICE? What the fuck is wrong with you? That's like forcing them to learn to speak a dead language - a complete and total waste of time. Maybe they should have the choice to learn cursive if they really want to, but it should not take away any public school time, and no public school tax dollars should fund it, and NOBODY should be FORCED to learn it...

    Cursive writing is not a useful life skill.
    agreed. most written communication nowadays is typed. i learned cursive, i still know it, and only use it to sign my name.
    id much rather spend more time on hard sciences then calligraphy.

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    I can understand why a lot of you "youngsters" would be annoyed at cursive writing, but you have to remember that not too long ago, very few people were even able to read and write. At one time being able to put thought, laws, scripture, stories... to paper was pretty miraculous. The words, and their cursive/calligraphy form was part of the beauty and expression of those words.

    Books were at one time a very rare, and coveted thing. Not like the mass produced cold, Ariel font text that permeates us today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I can understand why a lot of you "youngsters" would be annoyed at cursive writing, but you have to remember that not too long ago, very few people were even able to read and write.
    They all talked funny too. Nobody is taught in school to talk like Shakespeare anymore, are they? And should they be? Of course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondmonkey View Post
    They all talked funny too. Nobody is taught in school to talk like Shakespeare anymore, are they? And should they be? Of course not.
    We read Shakespeare, though. We didn't have to learn to talk like that, and we weren't specifically taught the grammar of Early Modern English, but we needed to be able to understand it.

    As for cursive taking up space in your mind... the mind is not like a hard drive. We don't store units of data, but rather we encode neural firing patterns -- algorithmic potentials that are then used to construct "memories." (That's why remember literally means "to put together again.") Put another way, "mind" is a verb, rather than a noun. So, cursive doesn't "take up space" in your brain. It's merely a set of neural impulses that you have the power to activate or not activate.

    EDIT: On topic, I'm 25 and know how to write cursive. I use it usually only for my own personal notes because a lot of other people can't read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachguyj View Post
    It's not slower to write. It's faster.

    I think it's ridiculous that kids are no longer taught it. It's your choice to use or not, but it shouldn't be a choice to learn it or not.
    It isn't faster. It only seems that way due to the practice effect. It's also harder to read. Given that, there's no reason for it to be taught. It certainly shouldn't be a requirement.

    And before anyone brings it up, yes, a printed name is just as valid a "signature" as a cursive one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    It isn't faster. It only seems that way due to the practice effect. It's also harder to read. Given that, there's no reason for it to be taught. It certainly shouldn't be a requirement.

    And before anyone brings it up, yes, a printed name is just as valid a "signature" as a cursive one.

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    Over the years, I've probably had much more practice with print than with script (I very rarely use cursive), and cursive is still faster. It probably varies by handwriting style and how much effort you put into shaping perfect letters in both styles. My script style is pretty spare and barebones and leaves out some connections, so it ends up being about twice as fast as printing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    By cursive do you mean writing like the Victorians? We never learned to write in that florid script
    The really fancy, old-fashioned Victorian-era stuff is indeed a SUBSET of cursive, its name is calligraphy. The term includes other forms/fonts of joined-letter-writing as well, but the word itself implies that the writing is done in a meticulous, exacting, and elegant manner, and does not include "sloppy or bad" penmanship.

    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    I thought that everyone wrote in joined-up writing; for one of my generation I have always assumed that it was the adult thing to do.

    And that schools are no-longer teaching children how to write seems quite aberrant to me personally.
    It bothers me, too. There are still reasons that indeed somebody just might want to use cursive. A handwritten letter, when written by hand, conveys a lot more subtle feeling than something that is typed (or, even worse, merely sent as data). the handwriting of course can be hand-printed capital letters (ISN'T THAT SHOUTING???) in lieu of script/cursive/penmanship. If I want to send somebody a letter of sympathy, for example, I WILL write it in "longhand" (wow, cursive has a lot of names, doesn't it?), but doing it meticulously and legibly. In that case I may be writing NEARLY as slow as if I printed every letter.

    Quote Originally Posted by secondmonkey View Post
    That's like forcing them to learn to speak a dead language - a complete and total waste of time.

    Cursive writing is not a useful life skill.
    I beg to differ - it's not like "a dead language" as long as some people still practice it. I sell stuff to many people who will NEVER have a computer and probably not even a smart phone, and almost none of these people compose their orders on TYPEWRITERS (which are indeed nearly extinct). Nearly all of these people send their orders written in cursive. Orders received in cursive may be a full one-fourth of all orders I receive, and I would be FUCKED if I couldn't read them.

    The typewriters I mentioned, are more like a "dead language" than cursive is. I think that cursive will still be in use a hundred years from now, though greatly diminished.

    There are many things which cannot be accessed without a knowledge of cursive. NEARLY ANY private writings, letters, papers from our forbears will be in cursive. If one goes back more than a generation or two in genealogical research, including going through census data etc., it is almost invariably in cursive [handwritten].

    Is this any different from the incredible wealth of material which will be forever lost (at least to the ordinary person) before most of us on JUB even reach old age, once there is no longer a commercial manufacturer of VCR's? there are plenty of millions of people who have what can be considered "heirloom" videos on these old tapes, which may soon lack anything to be played on, and therefore not easily transferable or digitizable.

    Quote Originally Posted by njcollegekid View Post
    agreed. most written communication nowadays is typed. i learned cursive, i still know it, and only use it to sign my name.
    id much rather spend more time on hard sciences then calligraphy.
    I will be willing to bet almost anything that there will be some circumstances, though probably rare, that you will be VERY thankful that cursive is something that you know how to read. (Interesting, as I typed this, I just realized that I usually handwrite in cursive, but when I put "TEMPORARY" or ephemeral notes on my hand which weill no longer be needed the next day after I fully wash, I invariably PRINT the letters...)

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    Okay, you mean 'joined-up' writing. Never heard of the term cursive before now.

    And for me, writing is faster than typing, i'm a slow typer.
    An example appears here.



    I'm a faster typer, and that is faster for me than cursive, though any time that I'm out and about, I will use cursive when I need to write something down. I don't have a smart phone of any kind - and my typing on a smartphone is woefully, horribly slower than cursive for me. I can't deal with anything other than a FULL SIZED keyboard very well.

    Typing was ABSOLUTELY the best thing that I ever learned in school - even including college. (I learned it in Grade 9 or 10.) A close second, though, was cost accounting (in college), which helps me greatly with my biz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    A handwritten letter, when written by hand, conveys a lot more subtle feeling than something that is typed (or, even worse, merely sent as data). the handwriting of course can be hand-printed capital letters (ISN'T THAT SHOUTING???) in lieu of script/cursive/penmanship.
    Whenever I see more than a few words handwritten I think either A) The person is an asshole because they couldn't bother to use a computer to write it and make it legible, or B) I feel sorry for them because they are too poor to have access to a computer. (That goes for any style of handwriting) If it's in cursive I assume they are very old and incredibly out of touch with reality. Just because you are not writing in cursive does not mean you have to write in printed capital letters.

    My old landlord used to leave me notes in cursive that were completely illegible. They went straight into the garbage.



    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Nearly all of these people send their orders written in cursive.
    Do you service a bunch of old people?

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    NEARLY ANY private writings, letters, papers from our forbears will be in cursive. If one goes back more than a generation or two in genealogical research, including going through census data etc., it is almost invariably in cursive [handwritten].
    They also had a shitload of free time in which to practice writing and reading it. They also had wooden teeth, slaves, and stoned gay people to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrimstoneAndTreacle View Post
    We read Shakespeare, though. We didn't have to learn to talk like that, and we weren't specifically taught the grammar of Early Modern English, but we needed to be able to understand it.
    "Need" to understand it? No. The only reason you would need to understand Shakespeare is so that you can understand more Shakespeare. Another thing that is not in any way a useful life skill. And a severe waste of time to forcibly teach to people who don't care.

    If you want to be a poorly paid English teacher when you grow up, then yes, you'll need to learn that. It's certainly not something everybody needs to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondmonkey View Post
    "Need" to understand it? No. The only reason you would need to understand Shakespeare is so that you can understand more Shakespeare. Another thing that is not in any way a useful life skill. And a severe waste of time to forcibly teach to people who don't care.

    If you want to be a poorly paid English teacher when you grow up, then yes, you'll need to learn that. It's certainly not something everybody needs to know.
    You're either being disingenuous or just thick. By "need" I meant in the context of that class. We needed to understand it to pass that class, even if we weren't explicitly taught how to learn it. As for limiting school only to "useful life skills", how does one determine what will constitute a "useful life skill" at that age, when most kids aren't sure of their future career path?

    And building an educated mind doesn't really work that way, and that's part of what I was trying to convey in my point about the brain and neural activation. Exposure to challenging material, no matter what subject, is applicable across disciplines. I'm studying in a STEM field right now. A lot of what I learned in my humanities classes isn't particularly applicable to my current field, but those classes helped build my ability to think critically, to forage for relevant information and convey it effectively to many different types of people, etc. Most of the scientists, engineers, lawyers, doctors, et al. that I know don't begrudge the years they spent reading Shakespeare, learning history, or other classes that weren't directly applicable to daily life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrimstoneAndTreacle View Post
    how does one determine what will constitute a "useful life skill" at that age, when most kids aren't sure of their future career path?
    Ok then, why don't we teach EVERYBODY how to weld? EVERYBODY how to be a doctor? EVERYBODY how to build a house? Why do we force children to learn so many useless skills as they might find in a high school English class, but learning something that you could actually use, and maybe make a living off of, like fixing a car, is not required and mostly not even taught?

    Nobody makes a living off knowing cursive, or Shakespeare, except other people that teach that kind of crap.

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    I've tried cursive in elementary school (they were making us try it) and the result wasn't pretty. I can kind of still do it but it's much more illegible and slow. I've been printing for as long as I can remember. Of course given the choice...I much rather just type.

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