JustUsBoys.com gay porn forum

logo

remove these banner ads by becoming a JUB Supporter.

Page 1 of 4 12 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 195
  1. #1
    JubberClubber White Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    10,855

    Code of Conduct

    When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org/flo

    When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns.

    http://www.alternet.org/florida-13-y...tter835875&t=5

    Florida 13-Year-Old Finds Family Gun, Shoots 6-Year-Old Sister
    Another tragic shooting involving kids.
    May 6, 2013 |


    A 6-year-old Florida girl is in critical condition after being shot by her 13-year-old brother, Florida officials say. According to the Florida Sun-Sentinal, the teen found the gun when the siblings were home alone. Although the incident is still under investigation, the shooting appears to have been accidental, the Sherriff's office said. The Sentinal also spoke with a neighbor who witnessed paramedics carrying the girl, who is in critical but stable condition, out of the house:
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

  2. #2
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct
    What is there to say really? Having a gun boner is more important than the life of your children apparently, and ironically, the Right which gladly spits in the face of pretty much ALL other amendments, is absolutely obsessed with protecting this one and interpreting it with a 200 year old measurement...


    I'd make a crude joke because I think child death is hilarious, but I'm too afraid of Chance and his High Morals, so I won't.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  3. #3

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    It is a tragedy when an innocent person is hurt or killed by a gun. It's a tragedy no matter how an innocent person dies. Here are some statistics that no one seems to ever talk about: In 2011, 9,878 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes in the US. In that same year, 1,140 children were killed in auto accidents, 181 of those children were killed in alcohol-related crashes. These people are never talked about in the way that victims of gun violence are talked about.
    Last edited by ygbabc; May 6th, 2013 at 03:34 PM.

  4. #4
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct
    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    It is a tragedy when an innocent person is hurt or killed by a gun. It's a tragedy no matter how an innocent person dies. Here are some statistics that no one seems to ever talk about: In 2011, 9,878 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes in the US. In that same year, 1,140 children were killed in auto accidents, 181 of those children were killed in alcohol-related crashes. These people are never talked about in the way that victims of gun violence are talked about.
    And yet you have to pass a test to get a driving license, which can after that be revoked. You have to follow hundreds of rules when driving. And alcohol isn't sold to people under 21 (which is demented btw). Furthermore, DUI is illegal an punishable by law.

    So I don't know why you'd ever mention this stuff here as there is no real comparison to be made. Guns in this country are completely unregulated.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  5. #5

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And yet you have to pass a test to get a driving license, which can after that be revoked. You have to follow hundreds of rules when driving. And alcohol isn't sold to people under 21 (which is demented btw). Furthermore, DUI is illegal an punishable by law.

    So I don't know why you'd ever mention this stuff here as there is no real comparison to be made. Guns in this country are completely unregulated.
    Completely unregulated??? Since when? Have you tried to buy a guy lately? I would almost argue that getting a gun illegally is easier then buying one legally now. Murder is illegal too, just like DUI. Anyone under the age of 21 can get their hands on alcohol almost as easily as they get a coca cola, anyone that has had an interest in drinking before reaching the legal age can attest to that. Likewise, criminals will always be able to get guns, or make bombs, or use poison, or arson, or any number of tools to murder. Guns really are not the problem. More laws and regulations will make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens, but not criminals. Criminals by very definition do not follow the law, and if they want to murder and injure innocent people, they will.

  6. #6

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And yet you have to pass a test to get a driving license, which can after that be revoked. You have to follow hundreds of rules when driving. And alcohol isn't sold to people under 21 (which is demented btw). Furthermore, DUI is illegal an punishable by law.
    And despite all of that, 9,878 people died in 2011 on the highways as a direct result of drinking.

  7. #7

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    We need more and stricter gun laws. Gun owners need to be held accountable for damage their guns do. Maybe they'll treat these adult toys for what they really are... a weapon. Gun owners need to buy insurance for the damage their guns cause.

    Let the gun nuts buy all the weapons they want, but make ammunition hard as hell to get. It needs to be treated as a controlled substance.

  8. #8
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    Completely unregulated??? Since when? Have you tried to buy a guy lately? I would almost argue that getting a gun illegally is easier then buying one legally now. Murder is illegal too, just like DUI. Anyone under the age of 21 can get their hands on alcohol almost as easily as they get a coca cola, anyone that has had an interest in drinking before reaching the legal age can attest to that. Likewise, criminals will always be able to get guns, or make bombs, or use poison, or arson, or any number of tools to murder. Guns really are not the problem. More laws and regulations will make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens, but not criminals. Criminals by very definition do not follow the law, and if they want to murder and injure innocent people, they will.
    This is an old tired talking point argument that has been debunked not simply by counter-arguments, but the reality of how the rest of the world is, and of hard numbers. I am not interested with discussing the comparison between drinking and driving, and guns, nor am I interested in arguing with another gun nut that water is wet and up is higher than down. Gun laws and lack of guns have been proven to WORK to dramatically decrease gun deaths and violent crime in general. Doesn't matter what bullshit arguments the right wing comes up with, statistics won't change for wishful thinking,
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    3,171

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    It is a tragedy when an innocent person is hurt or killed by a gun. .
    Nobody has ever been killed by a gun. They are killed by a person wielding a gun.

  10. #10

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Nobody has ever been killed by a gun. They are killed by a person wielding a gun.
    Yes, you are correct.

  11. #11

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    This is an old tired talking point argument that has been debunked not simply by counter-arguments, but the reality of how the rest of the world is, and of hard numbers. I am not interested with discussing the comparison between drinking and driving, and guns, nor am I interested in arguing with another gun nut that water is wet and up is higher than down. Gun laws and lack of guns have been proven to WORK to dramatically decrease gun deaths and violent crime in general. Doesn't matter what bullshit arguments the right wing comes up with, statistics won't change for wishful thinking,
    Did you call me a gun nut? It seems that way to me. Why is it so many people (left wing?) resort to name calling in a situation like this? I just threw some statistics out, I did not call anyone any names, I was trying to be very polite and courteous even though your opinion differs from mine. I was just trying to have a respectful discussion about the topic. But you lowered yourself to name calling and you resorted to making some pretty ugly assumptions about me. I know you think you are right, and I respect that, and I will not call you any names or automatically dismiss you because you think differently than me.

    I won't pretend to know how the rest of the world is, but I would assume it is different than the United States on many different levels and in many different ways. There has to be more to it than just the number of guns floating around. I do know that Chicago has some of the most strict gun control laws in the US, and it is also one of the most gun-violent cities in the US. And sadly, that makes total sense.

  12. #12
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    You threw out statistics aboout alcohol abuse NOT gun deaths.

    Why? Because you were trying to change the subject.

    Whether or not people talk about drunk driving (it's a big fat lie that they don't) THAT HAS NOT A FUCKING THING TO DO WITH REGULATING FIREARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Period.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  13. #13
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Nobody has ever been killed by a gun. They are killed by a person wielding a gun.
    Precisely!!!!!!1

    Guns don't kill people IDIOTS with guns kill people!!!

    Which is why we need extremely efficient and stringent REGULATION on whom can get what.

    I'm so glad you agree.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  14. #14

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    You threw out statistics aboout alcohol abuse NOT gun deaths.

    Why? Because you were trying to change the subject.

    Whether or not people talk about drunk driving (it's a big fat lie that they don't) THAT HAS NOT A FUCKING THING TO DO WITH REGULATING FIREARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Period.
    You seem angry. I really wasn't trying to change the subject, just threw those statistics out there to show that laws and regulations don't necessarily keep everyone safe. That applies to both driving and guns. And I never said people don't talk about victims of drunk driving.

  15. #15
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    I was trying to be EXTREMELY CLEAR!

    Yes you were trying to change the subject. You were attempting to say look over here this is MUCH WORSE so why oh why are we talking about gun violence.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  16. #16
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    You seem angry. I really wasn't trying to change the subject, just threw those statistics out there to show that laws and regulations don't necessarily keep everyone safe. That applies to both driving and guns. And I never said people don't talk about victims of drunk driving.
    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    It is a tragedy when an innocent person is hurt or killed by a gun. It's a tragedy no matter how an innocent person dies. Here are some statistics that no one seems to ever talk about: In 2011, 9,878 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes in the US. In that same year, 1,140 children were killed in auto accidents, 181 of those children were killed in alcohol-related crashes. These people are never talked about in the way that victims of gun violence are talked about.
    How embarrassing, it seems you did.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  17. #17
    loki81
    Guest

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    how would one enforce requiring gun owners to lock up their guns?

    it's basic common sense to not store guns where a child or stranger can access it, but there's only so much you can legislate against stupid.

  18. #18
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Very true Loki, which is why we need efficient and stringent REGULATION on who can buy what!
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  19. #19

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    How embarrassing, it seems you did.
    What do you mean? There is a big difference between "These people are never talked about IN THE WAY that victims of gun violence are talked about" which is what I said and:

    "These people are never talked about."

    I'm not embarrassed, are you?

  20. #20
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Did you read where you said

    "...Here are some statistics that no one seems to ever talk about:..."

    then you gave statistics about DUI, if you then contradicted yourself - which is it, make up your mind.

    All of it trying to change the subject to something completely unrelated and beside the point anyway.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  21. #21

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Did you read where you said

    "...Here are some statistics that no one seems to ever talk about:..."

    then you gave statistics about DUI, if you then contradicted yourself - which is it, make up your mind.

    All of it trying to change the subject to something completely unrelated and beside the point anyway.
    Seems.....read my quote again. I used the word seems. That one word makes a big difference in the sentence. It SEEMS to me you are reading into my sentences what you want to read and not what they actually say.

  22. #22
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    It SEEMS to me you are nitpicking and quibbling over semantics because it SEEMS that you tried to change the subject to something completely unrelated, and contradicted yourself in the process.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  23. #23

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    It SEEMS to me you are nitpicking and quibbling over semantics because it SEEMS that you tried to change the subject to something completely unrelated, and contradicted yourself in the process.

    No not at all. I did not try to change the subject, I explained that earlier in the thread. And there is no contradiction. But I do understand that is your perception and I respect that.

  24. #24
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    If your argument is in another thread, post a link, or restate.

    Otherwise we have nothing to go on but what's here.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  25. #25
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Never mind, I just re-read your post, you meant earlier in THIS thread.

    My point stands.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  26. #26
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    3,171

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Precisely!!!!!!1

    Guns don't kill people IDIOTS with guns kill people!!!

    Which is why we need extremely efficient and stringent REGULATION on whom can get what.

    I'm so glad you agree.
    I do not agree with you, nor would any sane American. You can regulate until the cows come home, but you will never ever prevent
    people with evil intentions from acquiring firearms. It cannot be done because there will always be a black market for guns.

  27. #27
    FEAR THE LIBERAL DETENTE! TX-Beau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Austin
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,604

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    You really need to look up the definition of sarcasm.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

  28. #28
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    I do not agree with you, nor would any sane American. You can regulate until the cows come home, but you will never ever prevent
    people with evil intentions from acquiring firearms. It cannot be done because there will always be a black market for guns.
    Again, it seems Europe and Australia have proven you wrong.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  29. #29
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    3,171

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Again, it seems Europe and Australia have proven you wrong.
    How so? People still kill people in Europe and elsewhere using guns.

  30. #30
    veni, vidi, reliqui
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    33,591

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    ^ Duh.

    But at a much, much lower rate.

    On the other hand, maybe guns in every American household is just a Darwinian tic. You know. Survival of the fittest.

  31. #31
    JUB Addict cm98059's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Holdenville
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    1,502

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Americans will not willingly give up their weapons. Firearms have been available in this country since it's inception. I know people who have recently, read since Sandy Hook, bought AR-15's and other high powered Semi Automatic Rifles. Not because they have any intention of using them, but simply because if they own it now, it will be legal for them to own it later in the event that they are banned.

    Here is what I see is the problem in this situation, why was a 13 year old playing with a family gun. At 13 years old, the boy should have been put through a firearms class and should have been taught the proper handling of a firearm, and should not have been playing with the firearm like it was a toy. The real tragedy here is that that family has to live with the results of their actions. The parents have to live with the knowledge that their actions resulted in the harm of their child. The boy has to live with the knowledge that he shot his sister. There will probably be criminal charges in this case, and I feel that there should be, it is a case of negligence.

    I completely agree that if firearms are outlawed only outlaws will have them. But that doesn't mean that we should give up on the idea of regulating firearms. I feel that firearms should be regulated, this incident is a clear case of exactly why we need regulation. We need to mandate firearm safety classes for all gun owners. We mandate that people have to have proof of insurance in their vehicles, we need to require proof of having taken a firearms safety class before buying firearms. I believe that trigger locks reduce accidental shootings. Why can't we as a society demand that firearms owners buy and use trigger locks. In some jurisdictions, if you are convicted of a DWI, they impound your car. Then you have to pay a penalty to retrieve your car. In some cases, the court requires you to place an interlock in your car. There is no reason that I can see why the same requirements cannot be enforced in firearms cases. I am sure we have the technology to make a trigger lock signal law enforcement if a mandated trigger lock is removed. We have the technology to place a radio transmitter onto people who have been placed under house arrest.

  32. #32
    JubberClubber White Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    10,855

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    Did you call me a gun nut? It seems that way to me. Why is it so many people (left wing?) resort to name calling in a situation like this? I just threw some statistics out, I did not call anyone any names, I was trying to be very polite and courteous even though your opinion differs from mine. I was just trying to have a respectful discussion about the topic. But you lowered yourself to name calling and you resorted to making some pretty ugly assumptions about me. I know you think you are right, and I respect that, and I will not call you any names or automatically dismiss you because you think differently than me.

    I won't pretend to know how the rest of the world is, but I would assume it is different than the United States on many different levels and in many different ways. There has to be more to it than just the number of guns floating around. I do know that Chicago has some of the most strict gun control laws in the US, and it is also one of the most gun-violent cities in the US. And sadly, that makes total sense.
    I have said many times on the forum that I don't make my threads "on topic" because the posters can take it somewhere I didn't think of. However because of the situation, Kifs killing kids, this is not about DUI. The problem is adults not locking up their guns, regardless of the regulations.
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

  33. #33
    JubberClubber White Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    10,855

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Americans will not willingly give up their weapons. Firearms have been available in this country since it's inception. I know people who have recently, read since Sandy Hook, bought AR-15's and other high powered Semi Automatic Rifles. Not because they have any intention of using them, but simply because if they own it now, it will be legal for them to own it later in the event that they are banned.

    Here is what I see is the problem in this situation, why was a 13 year old playing with a family gun. At 13 years old, the boy should have been put through a firearms class and should have been taught the proper handling of a firearm, and should not have been playing with the firearm like it was a toy. The real tragedy here is that that family has to live with the results of their actions. The parents have to live with the knowledge that their actions resulted in the harm of their child. The boy has to live with the knowledge that he shot his sister. There will probably be criminal charges in this case, and I feel that there should be, it is a case of negligence.

    I completely agree that if firearms are outlawed only outlaws will have them. But that doesn't mean that we should give up on the idea of regulating firearms. I feel that firearms should be regulated, this incident is a clear case of exactly why we need regulation. We need to mandate firearm safety classes for all gun owners. We mandate that people have to have proof of insurance in their vehicles, we need to require proof of having taken a firearms safety class before buying firearms. I believe that trigger locks reduce accidental shootings. Why can't we as a society demand that firearms owners buy and use trigger locks. In some jurisdictions, if you are convicted of a DWI, they impound your car. Then you have to pay a penalty to retrieve your car. In some cases, the court requires you to place an interlock in your car. There is no reason that I can see why the same requirements cannot be enforced in firearms cases. I am sure we have the technology to make a trigger lock signal law enforcement if a mandated trigger lock is removed. We have the technology to place a radio transmitter onto people who have been placed under house arrest.
    Maybe firearm safety classes for all gun owners' families. Children can learn the dangers of guns, at an early age, if the parent will take them to a shooting range and let them fire the gun. That should take away the curiosity of what guns do, I would hope. Anyway SOMETHING needs to be done to educate owners.

    Oh, damn, I saw you already said that in the second para.
    Last edited by White Eagle; May 7th, 2013 at 04:05 AM.
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

  34. #34
    JUB Addict
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    London
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,377

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Guns do not kill people The NRA kills people by not allowing the correct licensing and back ground check laws.

  35. #35
    JUB Addict andysayshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Sydney
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    4,297

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by ygbabc View Post
    It is a tragedy when an innocent person is hurt or killed by a gun. It's a tragedy no matter how an innocent person dies. Here are some statistics that no one seems to ever talk about: In 2011, 9,878 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes in the US. In that same year, 1,140 children were killed in auto accidents, 181 of those children were killed in alcohol-related crashes. These people are never talked about in the way that victims of gun violence are talked about.
    Thanks for raising this point. Let's address your statistics with some historical perspective.

    In 2011, there were 210 million cars on US roads, and the US road toll was 32,367.

    But do you know what it was in 1972?

    In 1972, there were around 75 million cars on US roads, and the road death toll was 54,589.

    So what changed so dramatically to consistently reduce the road toll in just a few decades?

    GOVERNMENT REGULATION.

    That's right. Laws forced car manufacturers to make cars safer. Laws discouraged drunk driving. Laws encouraged wearing seat belts. Driver training got better and more ubiquitous. Driver testing got better.

    From CNN in 2011:

    Experts attribute the change to a variety of reasons, including changes to cars -- such as vehicle rollover protection -- and programs to change driver behavior -- such as campaigns addressing drunk driving, distracted driving and seat belt use. Laws aimed at young people also likely have had an impact, notably older minimum drinking ages and graduated drivers' licenses.

    The gun = car debate is a perfect one for the gun lobby to observe properly and honestly, because it clearly demonstrates how government regulation can and does save lives.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04...ask-the/193467

  36. #36
    JUB Addict andysayshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Sydney
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    4,297

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Screen shot 2013-05-07 at 10.33.51 PM.png 
Views:	129 
Size:	186.9 KB 
ID:	950886

    There are 210 million licensed drivers in the US, who drive an estimated 20 billion miles per year in total. Around 85% of US adults have a drivers license.

    There are an estimated 270 million guns in the US, but just 30% of Americans own them.

    So if less people own guns than cars, why do guns kill similar or more people?

  37. #37
    JubberClubber White Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    10,855

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Forget I said DUI not appropriate for this thread. Andy compares them just right. Thanks Andy, you brought them together very nice.
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

  38. #38
    JUB Addict andysayshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Sydney
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    4,297

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Why thank you. (And sorry, I missed that you had said no more DUI discussion. I hadn't got to the end of the thread yet! )

  39. #39
    JubberClubber White Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    10,855

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Why thank you. (And sorry, I missed that you had said no more DUI discussion. I hadn't got to the end of the thread yet! )
    Not a problem, you put them together great. The other poster appeared to be changing discussion to DUI totally.
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

  40. #40
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    What do the Florida gun laws say about safe storage?
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  41. #41
    Virtus in medio stat JUB Admin opinterph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Jawja
    Status
    Partnered
    Posts
    21,724
    Blog Entries
    14

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    What do the Florida gun laws say about safe storage?
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/790.173

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/790.174

  42. #42
    JubberClubber White Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Widower
    Posts
    10,855

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Wow, that's a terrible punishment.

    It is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable:

    $500, when the conviction is of a misdemeanor of the second degree or a noncriminal violation.
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

  43. #43
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct
    Yeah. Gives a new meaning to "cruel and unusual punishment"...
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  44. #44
    JUB Addict maxpowr9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Boston
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Open Relationship
    Posts
    8,839
    Blog Entries
    3

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    As much as Democrats want to so desperately, you cannot legislate stupidity.

  45. #45

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    As much as Democrats want to so desperately, you cannot legislate stupidity.
    As much as republicans want to so desperately, you cannot legislate morality.

  46. #46
    Execuvette Rolyo85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Boystown, Chicago
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    8,924

    Code of Conduct
    And yes, you CAN legislate stupidity. Or rather, you can account for it when legislating so that it doesn't have a TOTALLY free reign.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

  47. #47

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

  48. #48
    JUB Addict andysayshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Sydney
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Available
    Posts
    4,297

    Code of Conduct

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    As much as Democrats want to so desperately, you cannot legislate stupidity.
    Drunk driving and speeding are stupid acts, too, but the data above shows fairly clearly that stronger regulation and better law enforcement can reduce the death and injury toll from such acts.

  49. #49

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    O and the OP isn't pandering to any bias whatsoever..............

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlterNet

    Even Uber liberal Wiki states these guys are uber liberal
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

  50. #50

    Re: When is it gonna end? This is getting too screwed up. Someone has to tell the gun owners they HAVE to lock up their guns. http://www.alternet.org

    O you guys can go back to your clusterfuck now
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | About JustUsBoys.com | Site Map | RSS | Webmasters | Advertise | Link to JUB | Report A Bug on this Page

Visit our sister sites: Broke Straight Boys | CollegeDudes.com | CollegeBoyPhysicals.com | RocketTube
All models appearing on JustUsBoys.com were over 18 at the time of photography. The records for sexually explicit images required by U.S. 2257 are kept by the
individual producers of the images. The location of the records is available by clicking the Custodian of Records link at the bottom of each gallery page.
© 2012 JustUsBoys.com. The JustUsBoys.com name and logo are registered trademarks. Labeled with ICRA and RTA. Member of ASACP and The Free Speech Coalition.