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    Top Republicans At Odds About U.S. Involvement in Syria

    John McCain, former Pres. candidate and Senator Arizona wants "in"

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Sunday that the recent Israeli strikes in Syria will "put more pressure" on the Obama administration to send aid to rebels fighting in the country's bloody civil war.
    "One of things I worry about is incremental escalation," McCain told host Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "We need to have a game-changing action: No American boots on the ground, establish a safe zone, and protect it and supply weapons to the right people in Syria who are fighting for obviously the things we believe in."
    Peter King disagrees as he said on CNN's State of the Union ....

    I have "real concerns" about trying to supply aid to Syrian rebels. King said he was worried the weapons could ultimately end up in the hands of the jihadists.
    certainly not an easy decision - it's easier to do status quo - nothing

    the fear of weapons into the wrong hands is legit i guess

    i don't have the answers - for now Israel is carrying our water


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    Had we stated our support for Syrian rebels earlier, and led an international effort instead of being avid leaders from behind, we would have stood a far better opportunity of helping toppling the regime. We allowed a vacuum which jihadist fighters were very passionate to fill and turn things to their advantage. There are no easy answers, but the Obama Administration sure helped it get to the point of the very dangerous possibility of a bad regime being replaced with something even worse. There is absolutely no need for ground troops, but had we and our allies imposed a no fly zone to stop the Syrian military from attacking those opposed to it with unbridled lethal force from the air, and made it known we were for those in Syria who wanted a change in government ...we would have had a far better chance for a stable outcome than we do now.
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    Re: Top Republicans At Odds About U.S. Involvement in Syria

    Don't know how to really respond as, quite frankly, I am of both minds on this. Setting aside the question of what is right for the Syrians, I don't know what is right for us.

    I can't endorse or call down a pox on either of them.

    And then, as Sausy says, maybe we let the time for action go by.

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    Re: Top Republicans At Odds About U.S. Involvement in Syria

    I pretty much agree with John McCain. As far as supplying weapons is concerned, you need not have to do that as I'm sure they have plenty weapons already.

    ALL that is needed to remove Assad is a single U.S. aircraft carrier or a relatively small joint international naval force stationed in the Mediterranean, providing air cover and conducting targeted strikes against the regime's 'offensive capability' as they say in the military. We did that in Libya and the war was turned round in the space of a month.

    No troops on the ground. No weapons. Just prevention and disabling of Assad's lethal and deadly tactics.

    Why is all of this being 'talked up' in the U.S. as some sort of huge commitment on the scale of Iraq or Afghanistan? It's patently not, so why is it being portrayed as such?

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    And why are the war-hungry hawks in the Republican party that had ZERO qualms about a unilateral illegal invasion of Iraq suddenly pussyfooting around and being tentative? Politics? Surely not!

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    The US isn't the only country in the world and can relax about involvement in every regional conflict. NATO should be taking the lead on this. So far it hasn't. Which only tells us that the West thinks that the turmoil and civil war is good news for all of us and for the Middle East. The president of the United States doesn't have to be responsible for involving the country in one disastrous war after another. That day has hopefully passed.

    It is the military industrial complex chomping at the bit, because the US just keeps stockpiling munitions and materiel without blowing stuff up these days.

    I think that McCain is a naive ninny and Peter King probably understands that the US track record of arming rebels is a disaster.

    It is why, at the moment, Israel is being sent in to do the heavy lifting.

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    Stay out of the whole affair. Not our war and none of our business. It is not a threat to U.S. National Security to be involved.
    Telling it like it is.

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    So allowing another nation to deteriorate into a chaotic decades long civil war where there is no order inside the borders is a good thing?

    Hmmmm you musta been in the Senate and House when we stopped looking at Afghanistan and hoped it would go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So allowing another nation to deteriorate into a chaotic decades long civil war where there is no order inside the borders is a good thing?

    Hmmmm you musta been in the Senate and House when we stopped looking at Afghanistan and hoped it would go away.
    I have a suggestion. Maybe some of the other countries around the world can start playing The World Police. Why does it always have to be the U.S. that needs to intervene?

    Pretty narcissistic, frankly.

    This is something the U.N. should be handling.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    I have a suggestion. Maybe some of the other countries around the world can start playing The World Police. Why does it always have to be the U.S. that needs to intervene?

    Pretty narcissistic, frankly.

    This is something the U.N. should be handling.
    which ostensibly means nothing happens right ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    which ostensibly means nothing happens right ?
    Depends upon who has the most paint, the color, and who's drawing the line.

    Seems like this rift is within the GOP itself.

    Israel seems to have a habit of protecting their own self interests, then counting on the US to clean up their mess.

    As Americans I think that it's within our own self interests, both in fellow Americans and Treasury to pay attention to this issue, and fuck the Republicans and whoever is in the White House, and the Israelis.

    It's time that the United Nations start to justify their high dollar existence in Mid Town Manhatten and strap on a pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    which ostensibly means nothing happens right ?
    It is what it is.
    Telling it like it is.

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    How much US national debt is intervention in Syria worth?
    How many lives of US service members is intervention in Syria worth?

    Until those in power who are clamoring to wade into this boondoggle can summon the courage to answer those two questions in quantifiable numbers then they should STFU about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So allowing another nation to deteriorate into a chaotic decades long civil war where there is no order inside the borders is a good thing?
    sounds good to me.

    let the Arab League deal with problems inside their own sphere of influence. I really see no way Syrian involvement works out well for the United States.

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    Perhaps Pat Buchanan was ahead of his time

    As it relates to isolationism

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    Patrick Buchanan would have had us just let the Nazis and Japanese have their way. Overly militaristic is wrong, but isolationism is at best sticking one's head in the sand and it worst tantamount to allowing evil full sway.He may be fun to chat with at a bar or something, but often his views indicate a very authoritarian, reactionary view of where the US should be. He barely has gotten over the Civil War, if that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Patrick Buchanan would have had us just let the Nazis and Japanese have their way. Overly militaristic is wrong, but isolationism is at best sticking one's head in the sand and it worst tantamount to allowing evil full sway.He may be fun to chat with at a bar or something, but often his views indicate a very authoritarian, reactionary view of where the US should be. He barely has gotten over the Civil War, if that.
    but if the German and Japanese forces were fighting each other, with both sides of the war being hostile towards the US, do you think FDR would have gotten us in-between that fight?

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    The UN has no balls.

    Obama tells us he has balls (his red line speech) but on inspection he has no balls - he just talks like the tough teenager before a big fight ... big mouth then runs away crying.

    Like I and others have said on this site so many times before ... the man lacks leadership skills.

    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Depends upon who has the most paint, the color, and who's drawing the line.

    Seems like this rift is within the GOP itself.

    Israel seems to have a habit of protecting their own self interests, then counting on the US to clean up their mess.

    As Americans I think that it's within our own self interests, both in fellow Americans and Treasury to pay attention to this issue, and fuck the Republicans and whoever is in the White House, and the Israelis.

    It's time that the United Nations start to justify their high dollar existence in Mid Town Manhatten and strap on a pair.
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    Jack, I dare you to tell us what President Jack Springer would do in this situation. I want a detailed explanation of what actions you would take with Syria, and the reasoning behind them. You seem to take issue with the administration's stance of caution, so tell us how and why you would involve us in this civil war?

    Or you could just tell us all the truth we already know, that you have a highly amusing compulsion to post on a gay message board about how the President can never do anything right. What color would you claim the sky is if Obama said it was blue?
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    ^ It doesn't matter how President Springer would respond.

    What I'm interested in is hearing WHY we, as Americans, should being going balls deep in the this conflict.

    I say we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

    Damned if we do because the "war hawks" within the GOP won't be sending any of their kids into that mess, and while the piss and moan about cost of "social safety nets" they don't seem to have any problems expending a national treasury and blood in conflicts abroad.

    Damned if we don't, because a Country that touts itself as Humanitarian didn't come to the aid of those who are trying to topple a corrupt regime.

    Our elected Representatives (both Democrat and Republican) put us in this spot.

    However, when it comes to balls, it would be nice if those same elected representatives were able to respond to your previous post here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zu-Mendel
    How much US national debt is intervention in Syria worth?

    How many lives of US service members is intervention in Syria worth?

    Until those in power who are clamoring to wade into this boondoggle can summon the courage to answer those two questions in quantifiable numbers then they should STFU about it.


    We're already there to a degree.

    Fast and Furious anyone?

    I guess the only thing that might make the "authoritarian sisters" happy would be a dictator, take charge kind of guy, and to hell with those in opposition.

    Either way, I can't think of a way that this won't come back to bite us Americans in the ass, and whatever decision is made, and by whom will cost us dearly at some point.
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    But does Syria have any oil? Isn't that what it's about in the Middle East? Oil...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    I have a suggestion. Maybe some of the other countries around the world can start playing The World Police. Why does it always have to be the U.S. that needs to intervene?

    Pretty narcissistic, frankly.

    This is something the U.N. should be handling.
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    which ostensibly means nothing happens right ?
    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    It is what it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    sounds good to me.

    let the Arab League deal with problems inside their own sphere of influence. I really see no way Syrian involvement works out well for the United States.
    So essentially all agree the UN SHOULD be doing something but if left to them nothing will happen. So pray and tell besides western europe.... who gets attacked if Syria becomes a terrorist production grounds?

    So is the lesson of history good enough to determine we will be attacked? 9/11 was the thing that made Americans break away from their millisecond attention spans and celebrity death match obsession long enough to say "hmmm people wanna kill us because we are us" In reality we have been attacked in various ways for the last forty years by Islamic extremist who blame their shitty world on us. So our diplomats and military have paid the price for years.

    We can argue that our policy this and our self serving policy that but in the end we are targets and a terror testing ground we do not need. BUT I am tired of war as well so perhaps we need to let it deteriorate and see if it creates a situation where we are attacked again. That way we can galvanize the war intent in another generation of Americans when they respond. I already posted my intentions in the "best city" thread. I doubt they will be terror attacking chaco canyon or the redwoods so I could honestly care less at this point.

    BUT putting your head in the sand has consequences. People should understand that when they make the choice to ignore it and hope it goes away.
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    P (DOT) S(DOT)

    Israel is ramping attacks and if they are attacked we are in like Flynn. If any of you think Obama's admin and our defense department are not 'in' on the decision process then you missed the last forty years of relations between our countries.

    We have an ARG in the Med, two carrier Battle groups in or near the gulf, another ARG on the way to the Med, we supply Israel, We are in Jordan, We are still 'advising' in Iraq, Turkey is our strongest Islamic Ally now that Egypt is fucked....oh and we are there as well...... so um.... the collective 'WE' are already there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So essentially all agree the UN SHOULD be doing something but if left to them nothing will happen. So pray and tell besides western europe.... who gets attacked if Syria becomes a terrorist production grounds?

    So is the lesson of history good enough to determine we will be attacked? 9/11 was the thing that made Americans break away from their millisecond attention spans and celebrity death match obsession long enough to say "hmmm people wanna kill us because we are us" In reality we have been attacked in various ways for the last forty years by Islamic extremist who blame their shitty world on us. So our diplomats and military have paid the price for years.

    We can argue that our policy this and our self serving policy that but in the end we are targets and a terror testing ground we do not need. BUT I am tired of war as well so perhaps we need to let it deteriorate and see if it creates a situation where we are attacked again. That way we can galvanize the war intent in another generation of Americans when they respond. I already posted my intentions in the "best city" thread. I doubt they will be terror attacking chaco canyon or the redwoods so I could honestly care less at this point.

    BUT putting your head in the sand has consequences. People should understand that when they make the choice to ignore it and hope it goes away.
    What are the consequences of the U.S. not involving itself?

    Unless there is a conflict around the world for the U.S. to become involved in, "Conservatives" just aren't happy.
    Telling it like it is.

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    ^ Nothing to it but to do it at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    What are the consequences of the U.S. not involving itself?

    Unless there is a conflict around the world for the U.S. to become involved in, "Conservatives" just aren't happy.
    Perhaps your reading failed or you jhust read the last line... please re read. I provide all the 'reasoning' needed. Conservatives are not in charge of our government. The same government effecting a drone war on those same countries and stationing assets around it. This isnt a 'us' or 'them' thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    What are the consequences of the U.S. not involving itself?

    Unless there is a conflict around the world for the U.S. to become involved in, "Conservatives" just aren't happy.
    Why the fuck did Obama draw a red-line if nothing can or would be done?

    I guess he did it just for kicks .... or possibly he has 'evolved' during the past 9 months.
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    Jack are you not aware our chained dog on a leash has been loosed on Syria?

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    There are other options besides invasion or putting your head in the sand.
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    Right Tx.

    Let Israel bomb them to rock throwing.
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    I'm fine with letting Israel draw their own fire - I don't think we should be so thick involved with them either and frankly our association with Israel is a huge chunk of why they hated us in the first place.

    But that's NOT what I meant and you know it.
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    Yeah but we have been doing those other things except open arms delivery to the rebels because half of them fought us in Iraq. Or would have had they the chance. Most of those that fought us in Iraq didn't leave.

    So we have starved the country, condemned them in the world view, supplied medicine and food to their enemy... so what else do you suggest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I'm fine with letting Israel draw their own fire - I don't think we should be so thick involved with them either and frankly our association with Israel is a huge chunk of why they hated us in the first place.

    But that's NOT what I meant and you know it.
    our association with israel is a good thing

    and hiding it or denying it is not the answer

    it's part of the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Yeah but we have been doing those other things except open arms delivery to the rebels because half of them fought us in Iraq. Or would have had they the chance. Most of those that fought us in Iraq didn't leave.

    So we have starved the country, condemned them in the world view, supplied medicine and food to their enemy... so what else do you suggest?

    Actually I'd have gone a whole other direction. The US desperately needs an image makeover in the Arab world. Supporting and encouraging Israeli bombing makes things worse - bu ya know, Assad isn't loved in the Arab world, neither is Iran, I'd have tried to get a coalition of other Arabs to deal with him and support them.

    Probably too late for that now, but I still don't buy the only option left is invasion idea. It wouldn't work, number 1 - the moment we invaded we would be seen as (shock) invaders, and it wouldn't do anything but make us a bigger target for crazy people, number 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    our association with israel is a good thing

    and hiding it or denying it is not the answer

    it's part of the problem
    Our unyielding support for Israel is destructive. We should call them when they fuck up. Just like republicans should police themselves of the foolishness that has become their party. Abject Obama hate which was shown clearly when they failed to 'give him' a background check law just because it was him is exactly the same kind of attitude that unyielding devotion leads to in our system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    our association with israel is a good thing

    and hiding it or denying it is not the answer

    it's part of the problem
    Our association with Israel is a diplomatic thing and it has it's pros and cons.

    Pretending otherwise is not the answer

    it's part of the problem
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    Actually I'd have gone a whole other direction. The US desperately needs an image makeover in the Arab world. Supporting and encouraging Israeli bombing makes things worse - bu ya know, Assad isn't loved in the Arab world, neither is Iran, I'd have tried to get a coalition of other Arabs to deal with him and support them.

    Probably too late for that now, but I still don't buy the only option left is invasion idea. It wouldn't work, number 1 - the moment we invaded we would be seen as (shock) invaders, and it wouldn't do anything but make us a bigger target for crazy people, number 2.
    Problem is we have been working with those same folks for forty years. I don't know if you noticed but with their gazillions in oil money they haven't purchased armies or weapons. While Iran has armed itself to the teeth. Syria was just behind them. If a Arab nation or coalition attacked Syria then Iran would get into the game. They wont with the world is looking but if it was just Arab coalition nations then we wouldn't look. A good example is when do you hear about things in Africa? That's right; when it affects the west.

    As far as folks willing to kill us?? After twelve years of war following forty years of terror on the west... well lets just say that is not changing anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Our unyielding support for Israel is destructive. We should call them when they fuck up. Just like republicans should police themselves of the foolishness that has become their party. Abject Obama hate which was shown clearly when they failed to 'give him' a background check law just because it was him is exactly the same kind of attitude that unyielding devotion leads to in our system.
    don't confuse support with blindness - i don't

    israel is a great ally - and when they make a mistake we should call them on it - in private is better form but if in public provides better PR and they're aware of that so be it

    what they're doing now IS NOT A MISTAKE

    and they're carrying our water

    and helping themselves AND US

    by not necessitating us to help

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Our association with Israel is a diplomatic thing and it has it's pros and cons.

    Pretending otherwise is not the answer

    it's part of the problem
    you've posted before and here .....

    proving that your "it's political" thing is not genuine

    you don't care for them as a country period

    that's not a "political" thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Problem is we have been working with those same folks for forty years. I don't know if you noticed but with their gazillions in oil money they haven't purchased armies or weapons. While Iran has armed itself to the teeth. Syria was just behind them. If a Arab nation or coalition attacked Syria then Iran would get into the game. They wont with the world is looking but if it was just Arab coalition nations then we wouldn't look. A good example is when do you hear about things in Africa? That's right; when it affects the west.

    As far as folks willing to kill us?? After twelve years of war following forty years of terror on the west... well lets just say that is not changing anytime soon.
    If you put together an Arab coalition with Nato or UN backing it wouldn't be invisible, and just saying it won't change anytime soon is no reason not to try and change things.

    Nothing will change overnight, but we don't seem to be even trying - and Unilateral support for whatever action Israel decides to take is just letting them set foreign policy for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    you've posted before and here .....

    proving that your "it's political" thing is not genuine

    you don't care for them as a country period

    that's not a "political" thing
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    If you put together an Arab coalition with Nato or UN backing it wouldn't be invisible, and just saying it won't change anytime soon is no reason not to try and change things.

    Nothing will change overnight, but we don't seem to be even trying - and Unilateral support for whatever action Israel decides to take is just letting them set foreign policy for us.
    hard to understand when u spend so much time on your back with your arms flapping i know

    they're not setting policy for us

    they're providing cover

    there's a diff

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    don't confuse support with blindness - i don't

    israel is a great ally - and when they make a mistake we should call them on it - in private is better form but if in public provides better PR and they're aware of that so be it

    what they're doing now IS NOT A MISTAKE

    and they're carrying our water

    and helping themselves AND US

    by not necessitating us to help
    Oh I dont. I have made it quite clear I am thoroughly pleased with the course of action. I disagree with both republican whines we arent doing anything (which is untrue) and republican war cries (of which we have had enough for now)

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    If you put together an Arab coalition with Nato or UN backing it wouldn't be invisible, and just saying it won't change anytime soon is no reason not to try and change things.

    Nothing will change overnight, but we don't seem to be even trying - and Unilateral support for whatever action Israel decides to take is just letting them set foreign policy for us.
    But it isn't unilateral support for the action Israel is taking. It is condoned and directed action at least. Everything is timing. WE cannot put bombs on foreheads, they hate Israel any damn way, Israel gets to destroy known weapon systems that supply their enemies and at the same time further destabilize Syria allowing armed rebels to carry the day. It is the wisest policy out there. Us being involved in a UN missionwhether or not there were Arabs involved would make it our action. It would be seen as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post

    you've posted before and here .....

    proving that your "it's political" thing is not genuine

    you don't care for them as a country period

    that's not a "political" thing
    Again it's about "caring"... If only the rest of us were as moral as Chance... If only...
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    He's trying to goad me 'cause I spanked him in the other thread.
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    Again it's about "caring"... If only the rest of us were as moral as Chance... If only...
    "caring" and "care for them" is diff

    perhaps there's a language issue ??

    and please read up on the topic before u chime in

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    But it isn't unilateral support for the action Israel is taking. It is condoned and directed action at least. Everything is timing. WE cannot put bombs on foreheads, they hate Israel any damn way, Israel gets to destroy known weapon systems that supply their enemies and at the same time further destabilize Syria allowing armed rebels to carry the day. It is the wisest policy out there. Us being involved in a UN mission whether or not there were Arabs involved would make it our action. It would be seen as such.
    Maybe yes maybe no, the devil would of course be in the details. But in any event, it appears Obama and the state department agree with you so there we are.
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    He's trying to goad me 'cause I spanked him in the other thread.
    no goading just quoting

    unlike u i read what people write

    it helps in responding - u should try it

    as for repubs being at odds

    some hawks r hawks for life

    others realize that it isn't always the answer

    mccain is the former

    and king is that latter

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    ...easy as taking candy from a baby...
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    ...easy as taking candy from a baby...
    do u know who Peter King is ?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King
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    Even if I didn't I certainly posses a search engine and I warn you I know how to use it.

    Of course we BOTH know I was referring to how easy it is to get you slinging petty personal insults.

    Sucks to be you.
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