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    OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Just about the time I think I should stop subscribing to Tony Perkins' drivel, a gem shows up...



    Dear friend,
    The very troops who defend our religious freedom are at risk of having their own taken away.
    Last week, anti-Christian and left-wing activists met at the Pentagon with military officials to discuss pressing issues in the military. What issues would be of such importance to gain such a high-level hearing?
    According to these far-left consultants, religion is one of the chief problems plaguing our troops. As the Washington Post reported, some are saying that "religious proselytizing" is at the top of the list of problems in the armed forces -- even on par with sexual assault.
    As a result of such complaints from the left, the Air Force has -- according to the Post --published, but not yet distributed a new document with the directive that leaders of all levels (including chaplains) may not "promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion." The penalty these secularists are seeking for those who don't comply with their view of religious speech is court-martial.
    If this policy goes forward, Christians within the military who speak of their faith could now be prosecuted as enemies of the state. This has the potential to destroy military recruiting across the services as Americans realize that their faith will be suppressed by joining the military.
    Our brave troops deserve better. If chaplains and other personnel are censored from offering the full solace of the Gospel, there is no religious freedom in the military.
    Please join me in signing the petition to Secretary Hagel urging him to protect the religious freedom of our troops - and not to proceed with the purge of religion within the ranks called for by anti-Christian activists.
    Sincerely,

    Lt. Gen. (Ret.) William "Jerry" Boykin
    Executive Vice President

    How did we get high-ranking officers who aren't smarter than a fifth-grader?

    Is it just me, or is the logic here sort of like saying that because we can't apply coercion to make soldiers eat their vegetables, we're requiring them to consume a poor diet?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Yeah, poor zealots should keep their bigoted views to themselves. THE PERSECUTION!
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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    OMG...Christians bitching about persecution. Again.

    Nobody is attacking them and nobody wants too. The War on Christmas is not real. I think it's a good proposition--it helps ensure that all are treated with fairness and equality. No one's being suppressed with it--they are free to practice and believe as they please, but they're not allowed to exert their religious convictions over others. There are chaplains for the preaching.

    Is it just me, or is the logic here sort of like saying that because we can't apply coercion to make soldiers eat their vegetables, we're requiring them to consume a poor diet?
    I'm not really seeing your analogy. I think it's more like telling the dog not to take a shit in the front yard. It can eat all it wants, but it can't defecate in the rose garden.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Here is a list of problems caused by christianity run amok in the military. A soldier is entitled not to be bothered by, as the brits would call them, god-botherers.
    http://militaryatheists.org/advocacy/
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Funny...I read one of the Islamic extremists blogs about how the U.S. was at war with Islam and really couldn't see a difference between that and Tony Perkins.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    As many as one in three female military personnel are raped by their fellow troops. You would think Mr Perkins could be spending his time and energy on an ACTUAL problem in the military. You would think, as a Christian, he'd be more interested in helping his fellow man.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Does this mean that U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan will now be charged with terrorism instead of workplace violence?
    "That’s the good thing about being president. I can do whatever I want.” Barack Obama, 2-10-14

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    I'm genuinely unclear of the relevance of your post, Jack. Can you please explain the specifics of what you mean?

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    The liberals want to the out another part of the Constitution. That pesky ol' First Amendment again.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Kuli, are you ambivalent on this issue? Your "spoiler" links to the FRC's petition webpage.

    I thought the far right had its shot with the John Birch Society proselytizing in the early '60's.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    So many 'christians'. So few lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The liberals want to the out another part of the Constitution. That pesky ol' First Amendment again.
    Exactly - separation. The first amendment is being enforced here, not removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Exactly - separation. The first amendment is being enforced here, not removed.
    Wrong. You need to read the second half of the Amentment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    Wrong. You need to read the second half of the Amentment.
    They are free to PRACTICE their religion. But proselytizing and evangelizing are not a form of practicing, they're an attempt at recruitment and soldiers should be free - as per the first amendment - of the oppression of other religions.

    And what so you care? You're not religious.
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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Kuli, are you ambivalent on this issue? Your "spoiler" links to the FRC's petition webpage.
    I tried to quote without the link, but it wouldn't let me -- weird... but not weird, considering the source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The liberals want to the out another part of the Constitution. That pesky ol' First Amendment again.
    As a devout Christian I want this sort of thing stopped cold. It isn't religious freedom, it's religious coercion. No rule says an officer can't have symbols of personal faith, but for any officer to use the authority of position to push a particular faith is offensive. In the case of Christianity, it's offensive to God, who does not condone cowing people into conformity, but offers a free invitation -- and only a free invitation. Whatever these zealots think they're up to, their actions are in fact offensive to God in Christian terms.

    Whether liberals -- or conservatives -- support it is irrelevant. These people are offensive to not merely Christianity but to good sense and reason.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    I am not a devout Christian and wouldn't want them near me. It is not freedom of speech if I'm compelled to fend him off me.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Wrong. You need to read the second half of the Amentment.
    Use of government funds to promote any particular religion, or any religion at all unless are are promoted equally (including deism, agnosticism, and atheism), is establishment of religion. These people are misappropriating funds belonging to the taxpayers to push their own religious agenda. Personally, I'd garnish their wages from now till doomsday to make them pay it all back.

    This is no different at all from some group of officers managing to use government funds to require troops to study Marx and Mao.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    They are free to PRACTICE their religion. But proselytizing and evangelizing are not a form of practicing, they're an attempt at recruitment and soldiers should be free - as per the first amendment - of the oppression of other religions.

    And what so you care? You're not religious.
    Well, given that evangelizing is commanded by Christ, it is part of practicing Christianity. But the form of "evangelizing" being employed here and fought for by that letter effectively constitutes embezzlement and misappropriation of funds.

    It's odd that so-called conservatives can't see that the call of Jesus to evangelize means using personal resources only -- imagine the outcry here if this government spending were handing out something like, oh, food stamps.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I am not a devout Christian and wouldn't want them near me. It is not freedom of speech if I'm compelled to fend him off me.
    To re-cast Ben Franklin's illustration of democracy and liberty, this situation is like two wolves voting to "give" a lamb religion... and liberty would be the lamb employing a blowtorch to "argue" with the material.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    For some reason this topic reminds me of a time a boss unilaterally scheduled me for overtime. I told him I did not work overtime not earlier discussed with me and if it was required of me I would sue him and the company for illegal restraint.

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    Re: OMG, we can't evangelize the troops!

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    For some reason this topic reminds me of a time a boss unilaterally scheduled me for overtime. I told him I did not work overtime not earlier discussed with me and if it was required of me I would sue him and the company for illegal restraint.
    There is a certain similarity.

    A Roman Catholic soldier should do the suing, here, to keep it in the Christian "family".

    Were I in the Air Force, where the main focus of this seems to be, I'd happily sue over religious discrimination from this kind of stuff.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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