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    A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Had heard about this on Morning Joe ....... the panel chit chatted about it ...... and was frankly not very complimentary towards the President. So I checked out the Dana Millbank piece - link below

    Dana for perspective is a frequent guest on MSNBC and he loves mocking Republicans - he and Chris Matthews do a neat tag team together on name that republican .....

    anyway here's some snippets and then the piece - enjoy

    One hundred days into his second term, Obama has already lost control of the agenda, if he ever had control in the first place. He ricocheted through his news conference, as he has through his presidency recently, between issues and crises not of his choice.
    He complained about how hard his job is

    he often found himself remarking on the difficulty of his job: intelligence sharing (“this is hard stuff”), closing Gitmo (“it’s a hard case to make”), Republican governors blocking his health-care law’s implementation (“that makes it harder”) and responding in Syria (“it is a difficult problem”).
    It’s the president’s job to lead, and to bang heads if necessary, regardless of any “permission structure.” Obama seemed oddly like a spectator, as if he had resigned himself to a reactive presidency.
    Dana Millbank is no Jack Springer and Dana thinks the President is in deep doo doo




    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d84_story.html

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Conservative Sen Toomey said it--he knows GOP senators who wanted to vote for gun control but would not do it because they don't want Obama to have any legislative victories---In other words if a few kids get killed in the meantime, at least we didn't give him a victory---the GOP have always been more interested in power than doing what is right---I have been saying it for some time---saying no to anything and everything for the morons in this country is a good strategy and will work---if you don't play ball with the guy elected by millions of people, what kind of system do we have? No amount of kissing these guys asses as Obama has done or meeting them half way works---it about party not country. Obama led on gun control and staged a moving powerful effort, but if the other side just want to play politics what difference does anything make? Toomey seemed depressed over it but I guess he felt he could say it as his popularity has gone up since he worked on gun control in the sorta blue state he represents.

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    Chance, not to take away from your thread, but a companion piece to your link would be the article from Maureen Dowd a couple of weeks ago.

    She's been vilified by the liberal press since then.

    You would think a community organizer would know how to work the system.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/op...s&emc=rss&_r=0

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Chance, not to take away from your thread, but a companion piece to your link would be the article from Maureen Dowd a couple of weeks ago.

    She's been vilified by the liberal press since then.

    You would think a community organizer would know how to work the system.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/op...s&emc=rss&_r=0
    ...I’m shedding a little tear here – it’s been so long……

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Conservative Sen Toomey said it--he knows GOP senators who wanted to vote for gun control but would not do it because they don't want Obama to have any legislative victories---In other words if a few kids get killed in the meantime, at least we didn't give him a victory---the GOP have always been more interested in power than doing what is right---I have been saying it for some time---saying no to anything and everything for the morons in this country is a good strategy and will work---if you don't play ball with the guy elected by millions of people, what kind of system do we have? No amount of kissing these guys asses as Obama has done or meeting them half way works---it about party not country. Obama led on gun control and staged a moving powerful effort, but if the other side just want to play politics what difference does anything make? Toomey seemed depressed over it but I guess he felt he could say it as his popularity has gone up since he worked on gun control in the sorta blue state he represents.
    yeah but this isn't about a single issue or vote

    seems like you're making the same excuses that the president did

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Conservative Sen Toomey said it--he knows GOP senators who wanted to vote for gun control but would not do it because they don't want Obama to have any legislative victories---In other words if a few kids get killed in the meantime, at least we didn't give him a victory---the GOP have always been more interested in power than doing what is right---I have been saying it for some time---saying no to anything and everything for the morons in this country is a good strategy and will work---if you don't play ball with the guy elected by millions of people, what kind of system do we have? No amount of kissing these guys asses as Obama has done or meeting them half way works---it about party not country. Obama led on gun control and staged a moving powerful effort, but if the other side just want to play politics what difference does anything make? Toomey seemed depressed over it but I guess he felt he could say it as his popularity has gone up since he worked on gun control in the sorta blue state he represents.
    The 'other side' included several democrats. He's not a leader of his own party.

    You and Obama just can't continue to blame his failures on Congress. What would LBJ say?

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Tell us, Jack. Is Obama the worst president in history? I think he is. What do you think?
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Kaye Bailey Hutchinson was just on she must be making excuses too---she said she doesn't miss congress at all--it's toxic---and she said she has been there for over 20 years and never saw anything like it is now---------it's very bad and non-functioning which is why so many are leaving---they can't take it anymore----I live in a blue state--a civilized place where hillbillies don't obstruct everything because they have no power here---Everyone knows the system is not working because---saying NO to everything is working in bringing this president down---and there is nothing he can do about it----if they want to stop him they have the votes to do it---and if they want to put party before country like they always do---they can do that too.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The 'other side' included several democrats. He's not a leader of his own party.

    You and Obama just can't continue to blame his failures on Congress. What would LBJ say?
    In case you don't know history--LBJ became pres because a guy named Kennedy was shot thru the head--he had many years where he could achieve lot's just from pure emotion and sympathy--like the most far reaching gun control law, Medicaid, Medicare, Civil Rights Law---he had lot's of support and Dem controlled everything in a very different time---when the GOP would have seemed like flaming liberals compared to the taliban morons we have today. He did have to twist some arms from the Dem racists who didn't want to vote for Civil Rights Act--he pushed it thru and they all changed party and become the base for your fabulous GOP today.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Nice to hear an intellectually honest progressive... rare here and out there in the real world. Barack Obama is at best maybe a little better than Jimmy Carter.. he sure is no Roosevelt, Truman, or even Kennedy or Johnson for that matter. Leaders drive events, at least take em by the horns...and aren't driven BY them. Obama has been nothing but leading from behind on so many fronts it's pathetic and very sad for this country... he'll never get it and it's a real shame it will take until after his term ends for his deluded supporters to realize just how so wrong they were about him.
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Nice to hear an intellectually honest progressive... rare here and out there in the real world. Barack Obama is at best maybe a little better than Jimmy Carter.. he sure is no Roosevelt, Truman, or even Kennedy or Johnson for that matter. Leaders drive events, at least take em by the horns...and aren't driven BY them. Obama has been nothing but leading from behind on so many fronts it's pathetic and very sad for this country... he'll never get it and it's a real shame it will take until after his term ends for his deluded supporters to realize just how so wrong they were about him.
    Well, if all I got out of him was saving us from a Great Depression, rebounding the economy with his stimulus that specifically saved my job, ending DADT, killing Osama bin Laden, and passing healthcare reform, I'd say a job well done, Mr. President. My quality of life has been better these last four years under his presidency. It may stagnate for the next four years due to Republican obstructionism, but dammit Saucy, we could have had Mitt Romney! I'll take a lame duck Democrat for the next four years over that any day!
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Kaye Bailey Hutchinson was just on she must be making excuses too---she said she doesn't miss congress at all--it's toxic---and she said she has been there for over 20 years and never saw anything like it is now---------it's very bad and non-functioning which is why so many are leaving---they can't take it anymore----I live in a blue state--a civilized place where hillbillies don't obstruct everything because they have no power here---Everyone knows the system is not working because---saying NO to everything is working in bringing this president down---and there is nothing he can do about it----if they want to stop him they have the votes to do it---and if they want to put party before country like they always do---they can do that too.
    How elitist of you.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Tell us, Jack. Is Obama the worst president in history? I think he is. What do you think?
    He's on par with Jimmy Carter. Both Carter and Obama never had the knack for leadership. They both think it's sufficient to give big speeches -- leadership goes far beyond that.

    Why don't you comment on the theme of Chance's thread?

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    ... and yet another article about Obama 'waving the white flag' and whining about Congress and the republicans.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...vancy-20130430

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ... and yet another article about Obama 'waving the white flag' and whining about Congress and the republicans.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...vancy-20130430
    Jack ......

    just saw Ron Fournier on Morning Joe speak to this

    did a sports analogy thing

    you can't just throw up your hands and say "the other guys aren't playing fair" is the gist

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    ^^

    Chance, Founier's appearance on MJ is what prompted me to write the response -- I should have included that.

    I do hope that some of the CEP-85% read at least part of the 3 articles written by liberals.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    The promise of the 2008 Obama has not and will not be realized. This is partially his fault and partially that of Congress. Lacking synergy, dysfunction rules.

    We elected someone without the cojones to be president.

    But, all in all, and for all his faults, I would rather have him than any Republican on the national stage.

    Damning with faint praise, I suppose, but that's how I see it.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Not the bitchfest you hoped for, eh?
    A view from planet ..... Claire

    Actually as per sausy's reasoned observation honest earnest progressives r in short supply

    So they retreat into lalalalalala silence

    They'd rather create and address mind numbing topics like:

    The Bush Lie-Bury
    The 30% Revolution
    Etc.

    And make light about children dying

    Good for Dana Millbank who when not personally attacking Republicans

    Finds time to pen an honest POV on the exasperated and hands in the air President

    Who can't quite take ownership

    Tick tick tick

    Your comment is so ..... Opposite

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    Sooooo, what are you doing here again?
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Interesting commentary apropos this topic. From Paul Brandus in The Week.

    ....Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell — whose most fervent hope was that Obama would be a one-term president — now knows with absolute certainty that Obama will be gone in three-and-a-half years.

    In fact, the Kentucky senator has less incentive to deal now then ever before, because there's a good chance that Republicans will win the Senate next year. The Senate is 54-45 in favor of Democrats now (one independent, Bernie Sanders, caucuses with Democrats). But of the 35 Senate seats up for grabs in November 2014, 21 are held by Democrats, including several long-timers who are retiring. No sitting president's party has ever gained seats in the midterm of a second term, and if the GOP wins the Senate, and hangs onto the House (a good bet), the president would be completely shut out on Capitol Hill — and the lamest of ducks.

    The problem is not that Obama lacks "juice." What he lacks, here in his fifth year in office, is an understanding that he's never going to get anywhere with Republicans. At a California fundraiser last month, he said he's going to keep trying — even though he acknowledged that it's irritating his base — because the country needs it. He thinks that eventually, Republicans will do, as he puts it, "the right thing." Who is he to say what's right? Obama got 51 percent of the vote in November — not exactly a mandate. Republicans, as they see it, are doing the right thing. And unlike Obama, they're not irritating their base. They're playing to it.

    The president still thinks he can change Washington. He can't. This isn't a failure. The forces against him — deeply entrenched, heavily financed, well-organized — were here long before he came to town all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. They'll still be around when he leaves 45 months from now.

    So what can Obama do? He can stop defining his opponents in terms of who he thinks they are — stubborn men who will eventually see the brilliance of his ways — but for who they really and truly are: implacable foes, enemies who are out to trip him, defeat him, destroy him. He can campaign against them, raise money for their opponents, unleash the grassroots database he used to destroy Mitt Romney on them. He can stop playing nice, stop hoping for the best, and start toughening up. That's the Chicago way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Not the bitchfest you hoped for, eh?
    Springer is a world class troublemaker. He thrives on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Springer is a world class troublemaker. He thrives on it.
    Let's not give all the credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Not the bitchfest you hoped for, eh?
    I expected some honesty from you and others on the left. Guess I had my hopes up too high.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I expected some honesty from you and others on the left. Guess I had my hopes up too high.
    Jack your standards r too high

    Much like the president - u need to lower them

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Bash the board - check

    petty pointlessness - check

    Obamahate™ - check....

    I'm almost impressed Chance. All of that in 13 words and 2 letters.
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    Yeah, if only Jack's standards weren't so high...
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    No no, his standards are "HIGH" like you know - some killer Cali bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    No no, his standards are "HIGH" like you know - some killer Cali bud.
    That makes more sense.
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Bash the board - check

    petty pointlessness - check

    Obamahate™ - check....

    I'm almost impressed Chance. All of that in 13 words and 2 letters.
    disingenuous -- check

    hyprocritical -- check

    ball licking -- check

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That makes more sense.
    TX fills in for Bob when Bob is napping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Jack your standards r too high

    Much like the president - u need to lower them
    Well I thought at least one would stand up for the President -- but I guess not. It seems we all agree that Obama's abilities are below his pay grade.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Spite isn't pretty either Jack.

    What's wrong snookums, feeling unappreciated?
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    TX and Rolyo
    It's clear that your only "job" is to attempt to derail threads with your Beavis and Butthead routine

    Try to grow up and defend the President here against the writings of an ally not enemy

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    TX and Rolyo
    It's clear that your only "job" is to attempt to derail threads with your Beavis and Butthead routine

    Try to grow up and defend the President here against the writings of an ally not enemy






    Oh come on. Most of Jack is trolling partisan screed that bears small resemblance to reality. He's LOOKING to be the victim. Most of you is veiled personal insult whilst pretending to be above it all.

    You reap what you sow - and I MOST kindly give you what you're looking for.

    When you want to have an actual conversation, Jack can look away from Infowars, and you can stop pissing on people.

    Simple.
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Read the article and comment

    Or don't

    It's not that hard

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    Oh come on. Most of Jack is trolling partisan screed that bears small resemblance to reality. He's LOOKING to be the victim. Most of you is veiled personal insult whilst pretending to be above it all.

    You reap what you sow - and I MOST kindly give you what you're looking for.

    When you want to have an actual conversation, Jack can look away from Infowars, and you can stop pissing on people.

    Simple.
    Why not comment on the article and spare your comments about me --- we all hear enough from Bob as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Why not comment on the article and spare your comments about me --- we all hear enough from Bob as it is.
    Because your posts here are generally so completely devoid of any honesty, standards or actual interest in facts that at this point all of us sans chance, Benvolio and a few other confused souls simply ignore them.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Dana said this in his critique of the President - The President is not showing much life

    He was asked about unrest in Syria, the September attack on American officials in Libya, the bombing in Boston, troubles implementing his health-care law and difficulty closing the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. Karl pointed out that Obama’s gun-control legislation collapsed, that his attempts to undo the “sequester” cuts have been ignored and that 92 House Democrats defied his veto threat on a cybersecurity bill.

    Well, if you put it that way, Jonathan, maybe I should just pack up and go home,” Obama replied. “Golly.”

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    It is a really tough job for sure

    But you would expect the POTUS to "go for it"

    If I were a Progressive I would be mad too

    is anyone here mad ?

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    .... is anyone here mad ?
    Mad? No.

    See my post @ #22. Obama is for all practical purposes a neutered and trussed duck.

    Disappointed? Yes. But the Republicans are the ones who neutered and trussed him.

    Now back to The Daughter of Time, Richard III, and the Princes in the Tower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Mad? No.

    See my post @ #22. Obama is for all practical purposes a neutered and trussed duck.

    Disappointed? Yes. But the Republicans are the ones who neutered and trussed him.
    i saw your pal - you're a reasoned man - i don't agree with u often but i appreciate your reasonability and reasoning

    the republican congress has far too many who aspire to do nothing more than slow down or stop the president

    and that's bullshit for sure

    and there is much written about them

    this is about the President who should be doing more and accomplishing more

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Maureen Dowd sees it like Dana Millbank

    “But, Jonathan,” he lectured Karl, “you seem to suggest that somehow, these folks over there have no responsibilities and that my job is to somehow get them to behave. That’s their job. They are elected, members of Congress are elected in order to do what’s right for their constituencies and for the American people.”

    Actually, it is his job to get them to behave. The job of the former community organizer and self-styled uniter is to somehow get this dunderheaded Congress, which is mind-bendingly awful, to do the stuff he wants them to do. It’s called leadership.

    He still thinks he’ll do his thing from the balcony and everyone else will follow along below. That’s not how it works.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/0...re-else-pitch/

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    and she added this about the President and his Gitmo finger point

    Asked about the hunger strike, the former constitutional law professor in the White House expressed the proper moral outrage at holding so many men “in no-man’s land in perpetuity.” But it sounded as though he didn’t fully understand his own policy. …

    It’s true that Congress put restrictions on transfers of individuals to other countries with bad security situations. But, since 2012, Congress has granted authority to the secretary of defense to waive those restrictions on a case-by-case basis. The administration hasn’t made use of that power once. So it’s a little stale to blame Congress at this point.

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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Which just goes to show that Maureen Dowd is an ignorant schill.

    The President's "job" has nothing to do with "leading" congress. Which she's know if she ever read the Constitution.

    It's not his job to get them to behave, it's not his job to police them - hell it's NOT HIS JOB to legislate.

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    Trying to control them is not called leadership - it's called monarchy.
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    You want to hate on the things that come out of congress - hate on congress - if you have any honesty at all.
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    Re: A presidential bystander - a view of Barack Obama's 2nd Term

    Ron Fournier said it well

    Great presidents rise above circumstance. Not Obama, at least not yet. At a news conference Tuesday marking the 100th day of his second and final term, the president seemed unwilling or unable to overcome stubborn GOP opposition.
    Jack posted the link earlier in the thread

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...pages-20130501

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    You want to hate on the things that come out of congress - hate on congress - if you have any honesty at all.

    no one is defending congress

    remove the ear plugs

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    I care about him why?
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