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    5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Jesus wept.

    A 5 year old Kentucky boy has shot and killed his two year old sister with his Crickett-branded "My first rifle" .22 calibre rifle.

    The Crickett website features a "Kids Corner" gallery of babies, toddlers and children photos, all proudly displaying their .22's.

    I grew up in a rural area, and I had a rifle from the age of 12. But it sure as fuck wasn't stored in the corner of my bedroom, and my parents wouldn't EVER allow me to use it unsupervised, loaded or not.

    Marketing guns to/for children is obscene. Guns are a serious, dangerous tool that should be treated with reverence and extreme care. These kinds of companies treat them like toys, with the result that the people who buy them often do the same.


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    Domestic fatalities! Now in cute rainbow colors!
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    This wouldn't have happened if the two year old was armed and could defend herself.

    /sarcasm off

    WTF kind of parent gives a 5 year old a gun? Whoever gave the boy weapon needs to face charges.

    Some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Domestic fatalities! Now in cute rainbow colors!
    lame and shitty remark

    about a terrible tragedy

    take a timeout will ya

    this quote from the story is hard for me to fathom

    "In this part of the country, it's not uncommon for a five-year-old to have a gun or for a parent to pass one down to their kid.''

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    No it's tragically appropriate. It is vile and disgusting to market murder weapons to children as if they were toys. Whoever came up with it should go to prison.

    I don't care about anyone's greasy pseudo moral outrage. I was so disgusted this morning when I read this story that I couldn't even post a topic myself
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No it's tragically appropriate. It is vile and disgusting to market murder weapons to children as if they were toys. Whoever came up with it should go to prison.

    I don't care about anyone's greasy pseudo moral outrage. I was so disgusted this morning when I read this story that I couldn't even post a topic myself
    your disgust manifests itself with stupid jokes ? u think that's funny ?

    is that funny in bulgaria ?

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    Do you seriously insist on making this thread about me? Is this how little respect you have for the tragedy? Deal with my not-at-all-meant-to-be-funny comment and move on. Fucking hell...
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Do you seriously insist on making this thread about me? Is this how little respect you have for the tragedy? Deal with my not-at-all-meant-to-be-funny comment and move on. Fucking hell...
    you made it about you with your outrageous attempt at humor - in a thread about a 5 year old killing a 2 year old

    take some responsibility for your comments - just once

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    There was no humor in my post. Too bad you were too busy acting all sanctimonious to notice, and as a result you've derailed the thread.
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Domestic fatalities! Now in cute rainbow colors!
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    There was no humor in my post. Too bad you were too busy acting all sanctimonious to notice, and as a result you've derailed the thread.
    you're right that it wasn't funny

    it was attempted funny

    there's not much u can say about a 5 yr. old killing a 2 yr. old

    some want to blame the parents

    some want to blame the gun manufacturer/marketing

    it appears that in some parts of the country this is "normal"

    i think it's sick

    but your "joke" is bad news

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    This wouldn't have happened if the two year old was armed and could defend herself.

    /sarcasm off

    WTF kind of parent gives a 5 year old a gun? Whoever gave the boy weapon needs to face charges.

    Some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids.
    BITCH! Beat me to it.

    I got my first .22 at 8, had bb guns and pellet guns before that. That said, I got the only beating I ever got from my dad for menacing one of my brother's with it (it wasn't loaded I SWEAR)
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    By the way - MY GOD how fucking PC Chance has suddenly become.

    YES there is humor here - black humor sure - but evidently the PC police like Chance have deemed that VERBOTEN!!!!
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    Yes. He's back to his old self. Scolding the poster for what they say. He's made 4 posts in a 14 post thread finger wagging at Rolyo.

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    Well, he wants me, and that's ok. But he's derailing topics to show his affection, like a grade schooler stealing my pencil, and that's a problem.

    Chance, cupcake. I know better than you the intent of my posts. And frankly, anyone who thinks I would make a JOKE in this topic, is a totally tone-deaf moron. Sound like anyone you know?
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Yes. He's back to his old self. Scolding the poster for what they say. He's made 4 posts in a 14 post thread finger wagging at Rolyo.
    u think it was funny bob ?

    really ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Well, he wants me, and that's ok. But he's derailing topics to show his affection, like a grade schooler stealing my pencil, and that's a problem.

    Chance, cupcake. I know better than you the intent of my posts. And frankly, anyone who thinks I would make a JOKE in this topic, is a totally tone-deaf moron. Sound like anyone you know?
    people can read

    and make up their own minds

    you were trying to make a joke

    and it wasn't very good

    and everyone knows it

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    I was trying to show the virulent cynicism of marketing tools of murder to children. You can keep being a 12 year old and insist that I was trying to be funny - like I said, totally tone deaf - or you can cut it out. You're pathetic right now, and it's really sad you chose this topic to pursue your petty dislike of me.
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    ^ the virulent cynicism ?

    oh i see now

    why didn't u say so earlier

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    My apologies Andy

    Don't want to derail the thread

    If the mods want to delete my entries re: rolyo's comments so be it

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    The gun makers should be sued for millions.


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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Rolling Stone did a piece a few months ago about how the gun industry is aggressively targeting the youth market. What better gift for your 10 year old daughter than a hot pink AR-15 rifle?

    To goose future growth, the gun industry is aggressively marketing guns to children as young as the first-graders slaughtered in Newtown. "By the time kids are in fifth grade, or even before, they're already being pulled away by the allure of video games, organized sports or other activities," said Bud Pidgeon, president of the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, which along with the National Rifle Association and three other prominent gun groups oversees Families Afield. In less than a decade, Families Afield has pushed more than 30 states to jettison regulations that protect kids from guns removing age restrictions on hunting licenses or no longer requiring that children take a gun-safety course before going hunting with Dad.

    The seduction of youth goes far beyond hunting. Online ammo superstore MidwayUSA is particularly aggressive in promoting youth shooting, sponsoring events like National Take Your Daughter to the Range Day, for "girls six and up." A photo posted on the event's website under the heading "Shoot Like a Girl" shows a dad helping his daughter, perhaps eight years old, aim an AR-15 with a collapsible stock and a monster clip.

    And, to continue building the market, they're also aggressively targeting women, preying on fear to sell weapons which, ten years ago, were considered completely inappropriate for civilian use.


    When it's not making guns cuter for women, the industry is preying on their fears. Laura Browder, author of Her Best Shot: Women and Guns in America, has described the archetypal gun ad: "The police are nowhere to be found; it is up to a woman alone to ward off the sexually threatening 'predators' of the city." Only with a gun, the industry tells women, can they defend themselves "against anonymous violence, a task that the government is clearly not up to." Gunmaker FN Herstal designed its Five-seveN pistol to fire rounds that can pierce body armor on the battlefield. Back in 2000, a leading gun magazine deemed it "obvious" that "neither the gun nor the ammunition will ever be sold to civilians." Today, it's marketed as a "Ladies' Home Companion."

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Why is it perfectly acceptable to provide a mini-gun to a pre-pubescent child, but it's outrageous to ask for background checks on an adult who wants one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No it's tragically appropriate. It is vile and disgusting to market murder weapons to children as if they were toys. Whoever came up with it should go to prison.

    I don't care about anyone's greasy pseudo moral outrage. I was so disgusted this morning when I read this story that I couldn't even post a topic myself
    Hey Rolyo,

    How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

    Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

    So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

    Oh wait...


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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Hey Rolyo,

    How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

    Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

    So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

    Oh wait...

    You can't compare states with ZERO border controls and no id check between states.
    It is not a separate country so the comparison is stupid.


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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    E\very oen sing God Bless America. What Shit. "Guns do not kill people the NRA does"

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Unless you're getting this from previous threads, I'm not sure I understand where you get that Rolyo was advocating gun control… except to children, which I think that more people would support than gun control regularly. I mean, would you leave a five year-old alone with a loaded gun? Maybe...

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    I'm sure that Wayne LaPierre will be saying that the only way to stop a misbehaving 2 year old sister without a gun is a 5 year old with a gun.

    Hopefully the parents are charged with criminal negligence.

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Hey Rolyo,

    How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

    Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

    So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

    Oh wait...

    Like Telstra said, comparing one city with another is absolutely meaningless. Statistics can be studied state-for-state, but the overall issue is actually national, since there are no actual searches or controls for movements of guns between states, and is why national gun laws are the only real way to make a difference. Half of ALL the traced guns used in gun crime are traced back to just 10 states, and those 10 states also have the fewest gun laws!

    The ten states that supply guns at the highest rates have, on average, only 1.6 of these regulations in place, whereas in the ten states that supply interstate crime guns at the lowest rates, the average is 8.4.
    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....uns_report.pdf


    Here's something we do know, with actual data that actually means something...

    In almost every State of the US where there are tighter gun laws, there are less gun deaths.

    The new study found that states with the most laws had a 37 percent lower rate of suicides by firearm and a 40 percent lower rate of homicides compared with those with the fewest laws.
    What's more, there have been just two substantial reviews into Right To Carry laws in the US in the past decade, both of which reviewed all available evidence and studies. One in 2004 by the National Research Council, and one in 2010 by a panel co-chaired by Stanford and John Hopkins University.

    Both review panels found there is NO reliable evidence that Right To Carry laws reduce crime or violence. Another study at John Hopkins University found evidence that Right To Carry permits are associated with an INCREASE in aggravated assaults.

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    Oh Jayqueer. More junk science.

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    My brother, a deputy sheriff, taught my nephew at 6 how to handle a gun. At night when my brother got home he would hang his holster and gun across the back of a kitchen chair and nothing disastrous happened. My nephew had no curiosity about guns, he already new about them.
    Teaching gun lessons at a young age works.
    These parents need to be put in jail, or at least the one who bought the gun for him, and the gun store needs to be fined, big! And Rolyo85, your posts are right on. There is nothing wrong with what you posted. Nothing at all!
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Just add her to the long list of American children killed by a failed constitutional delusion since everyone wept and wailed about Newtown. She was Number 70.

    How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?

    I'm so pleased that her parents live in the Home of the Free™.

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    My brother, a deputy sheriff, taught my nephew at 6 how to handle a gun. At night when my brother got home he would hang his holster and gun across the back of a kitchen chair and nothing disastrous happened. My nephew had no curiosity about guns, he already new about them.
    Teaching gun lessons at a young age works.
    These parents need to be put in jail, or at least the one who bought the gun for him, and the gun store needs to be fined, big! And Rolyo85, your posts are right on. There is nothing wrong with what you posted. Nothing at all!
    Yeah making light of tragic deaths of children

    Is "right on"

    Luckily for us it isn't

    There was no point to his comment

    He is not a serious participant here

    And remarks like that accentuate that fact

    Blind allegiance is a terrible thing btw

    I recommend all thread readers to read it and chime in

    Attempted Cute funny bullshit on this topic is fucked

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Wow.

    In less than 5 months since Sandy Hook, 3800 Americans killed in gun homicides.

    Makes the Iraq War seem like small potatoes.

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    ^Does the guy from Australia bring his own dead horse or does JUB provide it for him?
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    We're talking about dead kids, not dead horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post

    Hey Rolyo,

    How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

    Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

    So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

    Oh wait...
    I don't know about statistics. I do know that in a year in chicago I've not seen a single gun crime. I also know this is off topic bullshit that's been addressed multiple times. Not that a drive by troll like you would know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Yeah making light of tragic deaths of children Is "right on" Luckily for us it isn't There was no point to his comment He is not a serious participant here And remarks like that accentuate that fact Blind allegiance is a terrible thing btw I recommend all thread readers to read it and chime in Attempted Cute funny bullshit on this topic is fucked
    Yeah, yeah... you've ragged on enough about this. No go and find someone else to chastise. I'm sure there's someone else somewhere that's doing something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I don't know about statistics. I do know that in a year in chicago I've not seen a single gun crime. I also know this is off topic bullshit that's been addressed multiple times. Not that a drive by troll like you would know...
    Well maybe if you leave Halsted St in uber-white Boystown & live in the Southside of Chicago near the projects, your experience with crime would be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post

    Well maybe if you leave Halsted St in uber-white Boystown & live in the Southside of Chicago near the projects, your experience with crime would be different.
    Why would I do that? And did you bother reading the multiple posts explaining to you why stats comparing cities are meaningless? Don't answer, I know you didn't.
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Rolyo, Chance and JQ all in one thread!

    Chance baiting Rolyo and Rolyo giving back.

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    Quit the personal bickering gentlemen.

    This IS a disturbing and serious topic.

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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state

    There are too many guns in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state

    There are too many guns in the country.
    Maybe the murder figures for the Sceptered Isle are so low because the murderer must figure out first how to get off an island where no place is further than 70 miles from the sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Wow.

    In less than 5 months since Sandy Hook, 3800 Americans killed in gun homicides.

    Makes the Iraq War seem like small potatoes.
    That is a lot of dead people in less than 5 month.
    There should be gun victims day for the dead like the 4th of July !!!


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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    Me (my personal opinion), is that I have zero tolerance for parents who allow toddlers, children and adolescents access, unsupervised by an adult, to firearms.

    I wish to also add that even in the US military access to weapons, loaded or unloaded, is strictly controlled and highly supervised within reasonable means (war zones excluded of course).
    Last edited by Yuki Sohma; May 2nd, 2013 at 09:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    ^Does the guy from Australia bring his own dead horse or does JUB provide it for him?
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    We're talking about dead kids, not dead horses.
    Yet it seems you are always dragging a dead horse behind you.

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    Weren't you told by an admin lately to stop bringing up people's nationalities as an attempt to discredit their opinion? Do we need to start reporting you again?
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    The parents were clearly negligent. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If any gun regulations were violated then that needs to be investigated as well. That is however doubtful because the current administration has taken the stance that enforcement of current gun laws is irrelevant in lieu of the hope of forcing more laws onto the American citizenry. More gun laws are not needed. Better enforcement is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    The parents were clearly negligent. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If any gun regulations were violated then that needs to be investigated as well. That is however doubtful because the current administration has taken the stance that enforcement of current gun laws is irrelevant in lieu of the hope of forcing more laws onto the American citizenry. More gun laws are not needed. Better enforcement is needed.
    Your post started well, and then you derailed yourself with pointless propaganda. Can you cite under what laws can the parents be prosecuted?

    You've been proven time and again to be utterly wrong in claiming that current gun laws are enough, yet you ignore the proof and just repeat your spiel, as if that will make it more true.
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    Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

    The parents are stupid.

    I doubt if were yet ready to have a conversation about gun violence. Still no threads about how horrible overnight murders are in the cities and black-on-black violence where thousands are killed every year.
    Last edited by Jack Springer; May 2nd, 2013 at 11:50 AM.

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