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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Well how do you want the US to lead.
    What Jack's been saying is that a leader does what he says.

    Unfortunately for him, he's failed to make the case that this applies to Obama in the present situation.

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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    I would like Obama to move beyond the rhetoric of "red tape" and actually do something as decisive as he did in Libya. Stopping Gaddafi from marching an army into a city to butcher its populace was the right thing to do . I'm waiting for him to do the right thing with Syria.
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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    What Jack's been saying is that a leader does what he says.

    Unfortunately for him, he's failed to make the case that this applies to Obama in the present situation.
    I'm sorry (not really) that your intellect does not understand the definition and consequences of someone drawing a 'red line'.

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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    What do you think the U.S. Government would have to say if another country wanted to arm our citizenry if were unhappy with the current Government?

    How would our government react if China decided that the majority of U.S. deserve an assault rifle & ammo and was going to airlift it to us? Arm the teabaggers with Chinese weaponry to get rid of the Obama administration?

    We need to stay out of Syria.

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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    I think it's too late. We get involved and really risk that al-Qaeda type thugs win out in the end. Syria may become a failed state ..part of it under Russian and Iranian/Hezbollah protection, the other Sunni with a strong radical tilt. We helped the Afghans overthrow the Soviet Union supported puppet government, and look how that came to hurt us terribly on 9/11. There are too many people involved in the rebel camp who are interested in their own form of tyranny, and they are very well armed and supplied. f we had stood with the Iranian people in 2009, not firing a shot but giving them our wholehearted moral support, as well as if we stood immediately with the Syrian people, not dithering towards the UN to help broker a solution then perhaps we could have had a more happy ending and greater moral standing in the Middle East. It's too late now, I'm sad to say... there are NO good choices anymore.
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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    I am by no means an expert on international relations, although I am doing my best. But here's the way I see it.

    I would entertain intervention if I felt this was a true humanitarian crisis, but it isn't a case of an armed government against an unarmed citizenry. It is a civil war where both sides are armed and both sides have committed atrocities against citizens.

    Not sure about what interests for America are at stake. But the idea of targeted defense, no fly zones, and weapons shipments to rebels taking out a regime that has survived for two years of civil war doesn't seem likely. With Libya, it was more open terrain and not a lot of air defenses, and that lasted for months.

    I also hear that it interfening in Syria could weaken Iran who have supported Iraq. But then it could unite more with Shia Iraq.

    The chemical stockpile involved makes things risky. They tend to be geographically restricted and limited. Weakening or overthrowing Assad regime could release agents to hostile governments or groups.

    I guess it is a bad set of options. I don't particularly like Assad, but his defeat will most likely lead to further fragmentation and an encouragement of certain Islamic radicals who murdered a 15 year old boy awhile ago.

    And if we intervene, no matter what the method, it is somebody else's conflict that we are deciding. Terrorist attacks don't occur in a vacuum. Reprisals and further resentment will follow.

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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    What do you think the U.S. Government would have to say if another country wanted to arm our citizenry if were unhappy with the current Government?

    How would our government react if China decided that the majority of U.S. deserve an assault rifle & ammo and was going to airlift it to us? Arm the teabaggers with Chinese weaponry to get rid of the Obama administration?

    We need to stay out of Syria.
    Here's one for you, Bob:

    the administration runs a nation-wide "buy-back" program and sends the collected firearms to the (Petraeus-approved) rebels.

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    Re: Obama's Red Line In Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    We helped the Afghans overthrow the Soviet Union supported puppet government, and look how that came to hurt us terribly on 9/11.
    Sorry, but that's not what came back and hurt us -- it was walking off and abandoning the folks we helped, like they were trash we could toss away when done with them. Saying "Don't get involved" is the wrong lesson.

    The lesson is pick an honorable group that actually favors human rights and back them -- and only them -- and stick with them afterward.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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