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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Oh step the fuck off with that shit. Being American grants neither you nor I any special tingles you don't INVENT for yourself.

    All that is, is you trying to discredit an opinion with moonbeams and fairy dust. I'm really surprised though that you would admit that you don't understand how abhorrent the Holocaust was because you aren't Jewish. Explains a lot actually.

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    you can tingle or not - i care not a whit

    911 doesn't mean dick to rareboy - at least as not as much as me

    keeping AMERICA safe - means more to me than he

    as for his opinions - he discredits himself - he doesn't need me to do so

    and that's not what i said about the holocaust so try again - but you'll get it wrong again so maybe don't try again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I know when/where they were, because someone has bothered to make a chart of it, and it's circulating the internet. Other than criticizing my expression, you could answer the question.

    And I am familiar enough with terrorists to know that they didn't START existing on 9/11 but were in existence long before that - centuries actually - and somehow Americans didn't need to surrender freedoms and subject themselves to humiliation in the name of "safety" from them. Of course it wasn't just "one time attack" in the sense that no others would ever happen, but it was also not some opening strike in some planned prolonged campaign, so to claim that Bush is somehow responsible for no further attacks happening is - yes - dishonest. It was a huge operation that probably took years to plan, and while the same people would have eventually planned something else - hadn't OBAMA put an end to them - I find the notion that they had ten other similar operations up their sleeve and only Bush's actions somehow prevented them from putting them in action, to be suspect at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    you can tingle or not - i care not a whit

    911 doesn't mean dick to rareboy - at least as not as much as me

    keeping AMERICA safe - means more to me than he

    as for his opinions - he discredits himself - he doesn't need me to do so

    and that's not what i said about the holocaust so try again - but you'll get it wrong again so maybe don't try again
    Of course it's what you said. You are trying to pretend that as a Canadian he can't possibly understand your special American tingles and therefore his opinion is invalid - and you tried to use Hitler to do it.

    Which is all pretty much bullshit.

    And really just underscores that you don't' actually have an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Of course, you will apply the same standard to Obama's Administration, which was told several times that Tsarnaev and family were dangerous, and who had a radical Islamist website ; a mother on the terrorist list, etc. Far, far more specificity than the warning that "something big" was going down, you claim, somewhere in the USA. And the US had passenger inspections which should have found the box cutters. Who would have dreamed that they could highjack two planes with box cutters?
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    Surely, you didn't just compare the Boston bombing with 9/11?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    LOL

    exposure much ?
    Are you gonna keep deflecting, or will you give me an answer? You can also say "I can't answer" or "no, they're the same, the rest is partisanship".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Of course it's what you said. You are trying to pretend that as a Canadian he can't possibly understand your special American tingles and therefore his opinion is invalid - and you tried to use Hitler to do it.

    Which is all pretty much bullshit.

    And really just underscores that you don't' actually have an argument.
    Really ? Does famine in Africa mean the same to u as those who live there

    That's rhetorical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Are you gonna keep deflecting, or will you give me an answer? You can also say "I can't answer" or "no, they're the same, the rest is partisanship".
    You contradicted yourself in your post

    It was ..... Telling

    as for GWB he did a few good things - and this is one of them.

    He helped keep America safe

    america
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Really ? Does famine in Africa mean the same to u as those who live there

    That's rhetorical

    Next time u get involved try to get some game ok ?
    Don't try and play semantic games. You wanted to discredit Rareboy. Period.

    So you invented your special American tingles.

    It only remains to speculate whether you actually thought anyone would be swindled by it, or you were just trying to deceive yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i think you're compensating (over) with BIG here - what's that about ?

    Bush kept the country and the citizens of the UNITED STATES safe

    difficult for a foreigner to understand I guess
    Repeating it over and over won't make it true.

    Bush did not keep anyone safe. Just ask the families of 3000 Americans in New York and Washington DC and the 4,500 Americans who died in Iraq.

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    President Obama has keep Americans safe. There have been no organized terrorist attacks while he's been in office.

    Comparing a couple of kids from Boston and their homemade bomb to the organized terrorist attacks on 9/11 is a steaming pile of bullshit. 3 deaths in Boston to 3,000 deaths in New York and Washington. There's no comparison.

    The spin coming from the right wing extremist trolls is repugnant. You're shitting on the memories of those that died on 9/11.

    The right wing radicals are glad the Boston bombings happened. Now they think they can point fingers at President Obama and blame him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    You contradicted yourself in your post

    It was ..... Telling

    as for GWB he did a few good things - and this is one of them.

    He helped keep America safe

    america
    What I do or say has NO relevance to this very simple question that you've now taken a full page of the thread to avoid. I am simply gonna assume intellectual dishonesty IS the reason BENGHAZI!!!!! is treated differently from the other attacks on embassies during Bush. Thank you for your participation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    The piece is about ONE thing JBAbout the response to 911 and instituting changesTo prevent anotherSo it's a specific case about that Your laundry list of other items is grand but not Germaine here Please respond to the authors points Thx
    The premise of your topic is what legacy Bush leaves to this country. Not only did I address the War on Terror and what a failure it is under the leadership of Bush, but what his legacy will truly be remembered for. Your article did not prove any safety. If anything, we know that the Boston bombers acted specifically because they were angry about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our conflicts in the Middle-East fuel and fester the pestilence that is religious fundamentalism in Islam. We have gained nothing in Afghanistan, nor Iraq. Have you had to bury a friend who came back in a coffin from Iraq? Today, I read that the Iraqi government has censored the Sunni media in its country for "provoking" sectarian violence. Iraq is once again falling apart, and we may yet see a fundamentalist government rise from its ashes far worse than Saddam Hussein.

    A waste. A total waste of blood and treasury. That is the Bush legacy.
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    Indeed Just Believe..Saddam was a monster..but the person replacing him will be far far worse.

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    What are you smoking Richard C Clarke a Republican said it best in his book. Attacking Iraq for 9/11 would be like attacking Mexico for Pearl Harbor. Bush should be in jail. He is responsible for the deat of more that 5,000 of our own service people and probably 100,000 Iraqis he killed more people that Sadam and desecrated the lives of those who died at WTC including my cousin a Fireman who dies when the South Tower fell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
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    I think you've proven that by the posts you've made in this thread. The premise and the follow-up are about as jejune and amatuerish as you could get. One further thought. If it is not possible for a Canadian with American interests to express an opinion on the American president and political landscape....then by the same logic, Americans have no right whatsoever to express any opinion or take any action with respect to any other world leader or government that may affect their own interests.

    The fact remains that Bush and his cronies from Halliburton Co., in the wake of 911, used it as the pretext to unleash more havoc and to destroy more fundamental freedoms than you will admit. They have not kept America safe; instead, the target on the backs of Americans has just gotten bigger with all the bitterness and resentment nurtured by the butchery in Iraq. This is the legacy that they left America and the current regime.

    You are angry with me because I have pointed out the cost in American (and a lot of other) lives post 9-11 in order to 'keep Americans safe'. To be honest, I find it offensive and troubling that you now can skip over the thousands who paid the ultimate price so that you can continue to live under this illusion of being safe.
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    ^^

    Tell me why Obama is continuing with some the foreign policies of George Bush and why you aren't upset about it?

    Obama finished the Bush process of the US getting out of Iraq.

    Obama expanded 'the good war' in Afghanistan and created a Bush-type surge -- albeit very short.

    Obama has expanded wire taps, reading of US citizen emails, the Patriot Act, and the drone program to an extreme point of killing US Citizens including a 16 yo American teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    its not "jingo-istic" - you just want it to be

    bottom line is as a canadian, 911 is an event that just doesn't have the same significance to you as it does to me

    just as I am not a Jew, the holocaust, isn't the same thing

    that's not anything other than real - try it sometime instead of your bullshit
    Rareboy has every right to being affected by 9/11. The Sept. 11 attacks killed 26 Canadians.
    There have been 117 Canadian soldiers who have lost their lives while defending their country in Iraq since 2005.
    Crises often tend to bring out the best in people. The response in Canada to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - and the response of NAV CANADA employees in guiding aircraft to safety, then lending a helping hand to stranded passengers - is a case in point.
    These skilled air traffic professionals guided 1500 aircraft to safe landings that day, including 238 diverted aircraft to Canadian airports across the country - most of which had been en route from Europe and heading for the United States.
    So, there have been Canadians affected by 9/11. Not a huge loss as the US but a loss just the same. So your insult to rareboy is in a need of an apology.
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    What you guys have failed to consider in your attacks on Bush is that if the Taliban had continued to harbor Al Qaeda in safety in Afghanistan, and Saddam had continued in power in Iraq, the world--including Canada-- would be a far less safe place than it is today. After 9/11 the US was unified in believing that we should go after the bad guys where they are hiding, rather than allow them a safe harbor from which to attack us. Now the Democrats profess to believe that the US should have continued to allow repeated attacks to continue al la Clinton; Twin Towers bombing, two embassy bombings, USS Cole bombing. Most leaders, including members of Congress believed that Saddam had or was developing weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraq war started, there were reports of truck convoys going into Syria, and now, surprise, surprise, Syria has used chemical weapons against its own people.
    Bush, like all Presidents, made a judgment decision, backed by Congress, and no one can say it was the wrong decision, for the simple reason that the alternative result might have been much worse. Obama has continued those policies even as his partisan supporters demonize Bush for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    Tell me why Obama is continuing with some the foreign policies of George Bush and why you aren't upset about it?

    Obama finished the Bush process of the US getting out of Iraq.

    Obama expanded 'the good war' in Afghanistan and created a Bush-type surge -- albeit very short.

    Obama has expanded wire taps, reading of US citizen emails, the Patriot Act, and the drone program to an extreme point of killing US Citizens including a 16 yo American teenager.
    Who says that many of us outside the US aren't upset. This is the legacy of Bush. A paranoid, fearful, fortress America. Where the suspension of civil liberties is now endemic and so entrenched that the western world just accepts this as the new normal. As far as ObamaCo. having to mop up the mess that BushCo. left behind? Don't expect any gnashing of teeth from me over the wind-down of the US occupation of Iraq, the wind-up of the Afghanistan war or the use of drones to kill bad guys, including US citizens that you are all branding terrorists out of the other side of your mouths. It is a lot more surgical approach to killing off the enemies you've made than to carpet bomb jungles or cities. Remember shock and awe????????? Compared to that rapacious disaster, drones look pretty tidy, don't they?

    The Bush legacy is that from fearing shampoo bottles on planes to suspension of habeas corpus, the US is now a bankrupted country under seige...a convenient target for every disaffected and opportunistic terrorist being 'run' by cynical people who know that the real money is in conflict and armaments and security and fear.

    Of course we're upset about it.

    But we also are so thankful that at least the Bush era is over and that there still may be a glimmer of hope on the horizon.

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    ^^

    You didn't answer my question. Why aren't you upset with Obama continuing with the many of the foreign policies of GWB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Rareboy has every right to being affected by 9/11. The Sept. 11 attacks killed 26 Canadians.
    There have been 117 Canadian soldiers who have lost their lives while defending their country in Iraq since 2005.
    Crises often tend to bring out the best in people. The response in Canada to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - and the response of NAV CANADA employees in guiding aircraft to safety, then lending a helping hand to stranded passengers - is a case in point.
    These skilled air traffic professionals guided 1500 aircraft to safe landings that day, including 238 diverted aircraft to Canadian airports across the country - most of which had been en route from Europe and heading for the United States.
    So, there have been Canadians affected by 9/11. Not a huge loss as the US but a loss just the same. So your insult to rareboy is in a need of an apology.
    I appreciate the support, but my attitude to this has nothing to do with the number of Canadians who have died as a result of 9-11 (including a friend who was having breakfast at Windows on the World that day), or those who have died serving in the military doing their duty to their chosen calling.

    The fact is that Bush legacy did not keep Americans, or anyone for that matter, 'safe' and my response is not about narrow interests of nationality or personal loss.

    By the way Chance ...what victory is it for Bush for keeping Americans safe, when it came at the cost of as many as 50,000 - 65,000 innocent civilians in Iraq in addition to all the American lives that the Pentagon threw away in their quest to secure Iraq's oil? Is this what we all would call a Pyrrhic victory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    You didn't answer my question. Why aren't you upset with Obama continuing with the many of the foreign policies of GWB?
    You just aren't reading are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I appreciate the support, but my attitude to this has nothing to do with the number of Canadians who have died as a result of 9-11 (including a friend who was having breakfast at Windows on the World that day), or those who have died serving in the military doing their duty to their chosen calling.

    The fact is that Bush legacy did not keep Americans, or anyone for that matter, 'safe' and my response is not about narrow interests of nationality or personal loss.

    By the way Chance ...what victory is it for Bush for keeping Americans safe, when it came at the cost of as many as 50,000 - 65,000 innocent civilians in Iraq in addition to all the American lives that the Pentagon threw away in their quest to secure Iraq's oil? Is this what we all would call a Pyrrhic victory?

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    You just aren't reading are you?
    Iraq was a bipartisan war effort - with the majority of the Obama administration on board - blaming Bush solely for the intelligence failure is convenient for u and the partisan drones but it's dishonest and incorrect

    the article is about keeping america safe - post 911 - what he did to try to make things better - the things that obama has embraced (despite candidate obama saying the opposite) - and he did and he has

    and for clarity purposes

    your daily anti americanism is blatant and obvious

    your "america should do this america should do that" is negative 80% of the time

    sure it's your right to do so

    but it is what it is

    not something else

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I appreciate the support, but my attitude to this has nothing to do with the number of Canadians who have died as a result of 9-11 (including a friend who was having breakfast at Windows on the World that day), or those who have died serving in the military doing their duty to their chosen calling.

    The fact is that Bush legacy did not keep Americans, or anyone for that matter, 'safe' and my response is not about narrow interests of nationality or personal loss.

    By the way Chance ...what victory is it for Bush for keeping Americans safe, when it came at the cost of as many as 50,000 - 65,000 innocent civilians in Iraq in addition to all the American lives that the Pentagon threw away in their quest to secure Iraq's oil? Is this what we all would call a Pyrrhic victory?

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    You just aren't reading are you?
    No problem. I'll leave you to it. Continue.
    sorry for your loss.
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    Ah, "anti-Americanism" again. Weird that it's the elements most destructive for America - the right-wingers - who are always the first to accuse people of hating America. I'm sorry, when did it become a requirement on this CANADIAN forum for people to only say positive things about America? Being blindly in love with everything the US does is not a prerequisite for political discussion. Get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Ah, "anti-Americanism" again. Weird that it's the elements most destructive for America - the right-wingers - who are always the first to accuse people of hating America. I'm sorry, when did it become a requirement on this CANADIAN forum for people to only say positive things about America? Being blindly in love with everything the US does is not a prerequisite for political discussion. Get a grip.
    That's right! This is a Canadian forum. I've got to learn to quit saying America when meaning US. America is Canada, Mexico and the US. I need to work on it as much as some here do too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And you can throw as many darts at other posters as you want, chance, but everyone reading this topic saw that you couldn't even answer one simple question. THAT's how incapable you are of admitting double standards in yourself, though you're always the first to point them out in others.
    Your Benghazi intro is of no consequence here

    Just your attempted - and failed - diversion

    U and others reason to live is this

    Sad

    But true

    As for Canadian forum ..... That's like saying the NHL is a Canadian league

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Your Benghazi intro is of no consequence here

    Just your attempted - and failed - diversion

    U and others reason to live is this

    Sad

    But true

    As for Canadian forum ..... That's like saying the NHL is a Canadian league
    My Benghazi "intro" (English fail much?) was an important aside that you could have dealt with in ONE post. Instead, YOU attempted - and failed - diversion. And you're still attempting it. And still failing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    My Benghazi "intro" (English fail much?) was an important aside that you could have dealt with in ONE post. Instead, YOU attempted - and failed - diversion. And you're still attempting it. And still failing.
    Yep

    Tell pres Obama who is following the bush terror policies in order to keep
    People safe

    Isn't that a bitch

    A conundrum really

    The president we love and blindly follow regardless of policy or consequence is copying the president we hate and would make up any story to discredit

    Damn

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    I have never defended Obama for following the disgusting Bush/Cheney policies. So bark at another door. What's this - a twentieth failed attempt at deflection for you?

    It's really a simple question, Chance. But nobody will blame you if you have the balls to say you can't answer it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Iraq was a bipartisan war effort - with the majority of the Obama administration on board - blaming Bush solely for the intelligence failure is convenient for u and the partisan drones but it's dishonest and incorrect

    the article is about keeping america safe - post 911 - what he did to try to make things better - the things that obama has embraced (despite candidate obama saying the opposite) - and he did and he has

    and for clarity purposes

    your daily anti americanism is blatant and obvious

    your "america should do this america should do that" is negative 80% of the time

    sure it's your right to do so

    but it is what it is

    not something else
    Bullshit Chance. Just bullshit. You are so blind in your partisanship that every criticism of your sainted Republican stooges is immediately branded as anti-american. And that dog don't hunt either.

    You are determined to isolate and marginalize posters who don't agree with the disastrous policies and actions by the Republicans (in this case BushHalliburton Co.) and one of the cheap devices that you think you can use is to use the 'foreigner' card. Intelligent people don't buy that shit. Only people whose eyes are so crossed as to have tunnel vision still think that what happens within the borders of the US or the decisions that are made by Washington somehow don't affect the rest of the planet, but only exist in order to keep you 'safe' in your Riverside Drive condo or isolated from the real world in Bumfuck, Arkansas.

    And of course, it is a zero sum game. You are saying that it is okay for the radical righties to piss all over Obama for allowing the continuation of some of the worst offences against freedom and fair play that the Bush regime enacted...but I'll bet that if I said that some of these are bothersome to me....you'd be down my throat as being anti-US again.

    Let's face it. You didn't have a peep to say about the Americans who had their lives thrown away in Iraq so that you can feel smug and comfortable and 'safe'. That was me. Who really loves America more here? The one who just goose steps along to 'my country and right or wrong as long as it is run by Republicans'?...or those of us who yearn for America to fulfill the noblest promise to itself and the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    You just aren't reading are you?
    Again ... why aren't you upset with Obama for continuing many of the foreign policies as GWB?

    You should be calling Obama names the same as have Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I have never defended Obama for following the disgusting Bush/Cheney policies. So bark at another door. What's this - a twentieth failed attempt at deflection for you?

    It's really a simple question, Chance. But nobody will blame you if you have the balls to say you can't answer it.
    Tell us why have you never condemned Obama for his policies as you've condemned Bush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Tell us why have you never condemned Obama for his policies as you've condemned Bush?
    Jesus Christ Springer.

    Go back and re-read post 79. what is the problem with your reading comprehension other than you are blinded by your Obamahate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Tell us why have you never condemned Obama for his policies as you've condemned Bush?
    Because those are not Obama's policies. They are Bush's. and while I think they're repugnant and wish the Obama administration would abandon them, I'm not gonna condemn them for something they didn't start.

    Did I adequately answer your sad attempt at deflection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
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    I won't give it one star.

    I couldn't even find this thread on yelp, and if I could wouldn't be able to understand why anyone would want to post in it in the first place.

    Next!
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    Re: The Bush Legacy

    .

    Help me out here. What good has the Bush administration done on behalf of "regular" people like us? I am not baiting. I'm simply looking for honest, objective and specific answers that point in the direction of the truth. Talk to me.

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    Re: The Bush Legacy

    I'm trying to figure out why the lock fell off this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    .

    Help me out here. What good has the Bush administration done on behalf of "regular" people like us? I am not baiting. I'm simply looking for honest, objective and specific answers that point in the direction of the truth. Talk to me.
    Quite a number of things. He reduced taxes, giving the highest percentage reduction to the lower income groups and the lower percentage reductions to the rich. When there was talk of letting the cuts expire, the Democrats howled that taking those same cuts away from the lower groups would be a huge and oppressive tax increase. Meanwhile, interest rates remained low under Bush.
    Employment was high during the years of the Bush presidency and the Republican Congress. Obama could only dream of employment that high for Americans, if he gave a damn, which clearly he does not.
    He began the Medicare drug program, reducing drug costs for the elderly.
    In the last year of Clinton, the economy became weak, then 9/11 hit, and the economy declined sharply. Bush turned it around with his tax cuts. The economy did not get weak again until the catastrophe of November 6, 2006, which put the economy into a tail spin.
    He instituted No Child Left Behind to improve education across the country.
    It is dishonest to suggest that he did nothing to help the ordinary people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I'm trying to figure out why the lock fell off this thread.
    Course u are

    Imagine trying to see good on a republican president

    To say something nice and true

    Like in the post 911 world he kept us safe

    That shouldn't be so hard to do as it is true

    Instead we get attacks and mis truths denigrating him not only as a president

    But personal

    It's a microcosm of this place where partisanship trumps all

    My fav was when a moderator jumped in to say the thread was shit

    Another microcosm of the place

    Personally once the thread has been sanitized it should be left buried as it ceases to be real

    The flip side is the 85 wins if it stays closed

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    Re: The Bush Legacy

    Bush was actively malignant.

    Obama is passively malignant - of his own doing and that of Congress.

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    15 lines of scolding to respond to rareboy's one line comment.

    And the 15 Liner whines about the substandard quality of the threads. Ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    15 lines of scolding to respond to rareboy's one line comment.

    And the 15 Liner whines about the substandard quality of the threads. Ironic.
    i see you're a math guy hehe

    but perhaps you should just put me on ignore Bob - your day will be a little less bright but u will spare yourself and others

    your (lack of) POV to my comments

    did i tell u it was a gorgeous sunday in "glamourous" (haha) Astoria

    As for Bush, a two term President, who IMO did his best - not always well - 911 provided an event that changed the dynamic of our country - from a security POV, an economic POV and how we view ourselves - a life changing moment not just for those in NYC but for all

    how we view the world, our enemies, our perceived enemies .....

    Personally I'm damn glad GWB was there on 911 not our current President

    who likely would be calling it an attack based on a mysterious anti Muslim video

    or debating what kind of people did it to us

    or something like that
    Last edited by chance1; May 5th, 2013 at 09:49 AM.

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    Wow... That's a new low for you chance... Is THAT what Obama would have done during 9/11? Good thing Bush was there instead indeed....

    A joke
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    [QUOTE=Rolyo85;8863395]Wow... That's a new low for you chance... Is THAT what Obama would have done during 9/11? Good thing Bush was there instead indeed....

    A joke[/QUOTE

    At least this joke wasn't about a 2 yr old getting shot accidentally

    at least we have that

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    I see. It was re-opened to allow Chance to appear even more ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I see. It was re-opened to allow Chance to appear even more ridiculous.
    GENERALLY SPEAKING, people who don't get irony should not be allowed near computers. Long walks in the park and a calming environment with trained personnel might be a better idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I see. It was re-opened to allow Chance to appear even more ridiculous.
    Lol

    I'm ridiculous several x a day

    And hope I never change

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    Not in a cute way though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    911 doesn't mean dick to rareboy - at least as not as much as me

    keeping AMERICA safe - means more to me than he
    I might nominate yours for the most arrogant and ill-informed post going. Canadians from my city fought alongside US soldiers keeping AMERICA safe. People I know personally. With the support of the government and the people of this country, to go and die on the other side of the world, because what happened in New York was a human tragedy, not an American one, and decency required our response. Figure it the fuck out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada'...fghanistan_War

    Learn a bit about PPCLI before you post on this subject again.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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