I had these fears for a long time. Then my mother told me one day that she didn't believe that there was any hell, 'cause God created all of us. And that really removed my fear. I know that by being gay I am not doing anyone any harm, so why should I go to hell? God created me as I am. And we're all born sinners, so..
Even when I called myself a Christian, I didn't really believe in heaven or hell. The concept of eternal bliss or eternal pain was simply unencompassable to my mind as a child. It still is, I can't wrap my mind around it. Nothing can last forever in a single state, it has to change and fluctuate.
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Don't believe there is a hell...so, no.
I don't fear going to hell.
I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.
If God made us to his image, then why would he want us to burn in hell? I just don't get it. I believe we all have a role in life that we have to fulfill, that's why we are here no matter if we are white, black, asian, gay, straight, lesbian, bi...
-Sigh- I wish we could all get along and stop spreading the hate among us....
He sounds to me, he sounds like sex on the radio.
This used to be my last year phobia. But not right now anymore
I just think God- whatever is the form- it's not a sadistic bipolar figure
although looking at the outcome of human life, 'really don't like the fact that bad guys can get away with no consequences
so hell exist, but it's not forever.
When I was 9 and at a relatives baptism (Catholic) I asked my father what original Sin was. He told me we are all responsible for the death of Christ. I was now done with religion. In addition if you think about it this all powerful entity who was perfect created us in his image but not perfect. Now when babies children defenceless people die we are told it is God's plan. There is no God Atheist and proud!
Heaven is never lost on those who frequently assist they who need our help whereas, Hell is what we make of it.
“The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven..”
~ John Milton, Paradise Lost
I was always afraid of hell until sophomore year in college when my Grandfather died and I set out on a quest involving extensive and exhaustive research resulting in a spiritual awakening and almost through osmosis I began to know or rather "remember" things I had long forgotten from previous lives and what happens in between our death and reincarnation. It all started to make sense and I was gifted with solace and profound peace in knowing what occurs after our bodies die. It started with a thought about energy which can neither be created nor destroyed. So I began to ask myself "where does this energy go when our bodies die?" Does it diffuse into the atmosphere or go somewhere else? I studied near death experiences from every cultural background, read the Bible, the Quran, the Baghvad Gita, the lost gospels, and many many other books on the subject of the afterlife. Edgar Casey, Betty Eadie, sylvia browne, James van praagh, John Edward, etc., etc. most recently, Eban Alexander. I did not and still don't limit my reading to purely spiritual texts; I read Stephen Hawking, Brian Greene, "the heart sutra in light of quantum physics", and and on and on and on... I've spoken with people who have experienced NDE's, asked my Mom about what I used to say about God when I was younger, I reflected on my own experiences at the ages of about 3-5 years old when I recall leaving my body at night and hovering above my own body and floating in a seated position down our staircase. I soon realized how common this is amongst young children but how parents write it off as a dream; squelching our spiritual connection to the other side in a world ruled by logic and reason, leaving no room in the brain for such things. ive undergone multiple hypnosis sessions including past life regression. It is important to note here that none of this was forced, not was I ever influenced by outsiders for the good or the worse. It all seemed to come very naturally and as I said earlier, almost like osmosis. There is a very distinct feeling that all of this as being "remembered" as opposed to some new knowledge or something I was hearing for the very first time. I could go on forever as it is difficult to encapsulate over 15 years of spiritual awakening in a few paragraphs. Just a little about my background: I was raised Roman Catholic and attended Catholic school for 8 years. I was born to a practicing Carholic mother and an atheist, at times agnostic, father. I now identify as a Gnostic Christian, continually seeking knowledge (gnosis) about God and the other side from which we all came, to which we will all return. I aknowledge God as both male and female, the male side being logic and reason, the female being emotion and experience. I believe we are on this planet to progress spiritually through our trials and tribulations as well as our joyful moments and happier times. We exist as divine sparks of God, our souls being parts of God but with our own identities and by nature, eternal beings; having always existed and will continue to exist eternally either in a physical body, a divine body on the other side, and perhaps one day returning to and becoming part of that which creates us. I do not believe God is to be worshiped any more than a child should worship his or her parent. More so, God is to be revered and loved, as we are His/Her genetic lineage. As for Jesus, I believe he was a great teacher. An anointed one and a highly evolved soul. No more the son of God as you or I. He simply retained knowledge that we have all forgotten. The Bible is interesting and there are some good parts, but was assembled, written and altered by man or rather, men. With all mention of reincarnation, a female aspect of God much more removed and twisted to instill fear and ensure a patriarchal ruling body. Before the 6th century, God was widely accepted as being both male and female across nearly every culture on earth and reincarnation also an accepted truth. When the Bible speaks of being "born again" it means EXACTLY that. Returning to this planet again in another body. A constant cycle of death and rebirth (yet being our choice), in a constant effort aimed at spiritual perfection.
Well I think that's enough for now, don't you? Haha. Sorry I went on so long...oh and btw, no one goes to hell because it does not exist. Can you imagine a parent sending their child to a place of eternal torment for ANY reason? Now imagine a perfect, all loving parent free from the flaws of humanity doing that. It simply doesn't make sense and I assure you it does not happen. The most evil of us are doomed to one thing; never seeing heaven or "the other side", but stuck in a revolving door of life death and rebirth over and over and over again. Questions? PM me! I'd love to talk about any and everything reharding my spiritual beliefs. I only ask that in your questions or follow up posts that you are respectful of my beliefs as I am of yours. Bye for now!
(I once had the pleasure of "disarming" one on campus at OSU, as I translated from the Greek New Testament while he recited, with little understanding, the King James Version.)
Oh -- to answer the question, no... but I used to agonize over who I might have to room with in Heaven.
"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
*the number is now forty
i'm an atheist so i have no worries.
one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry
No. Why would I believe in something that has no proof of existing?
Do people believe hell is something that can be experienced? or relegated to? Not necessarily a physical place of course, but somewhere that the consciousness can endure after death, and perceive "I am in hell" whilst there?
I mean I know some people believe that, I just don't know how to give credence to it and if people do hold that view, I'm interested to hear them give reasons for it.
Nope. Pretty sure it was all fiction drummed up by overzealous-religious parents trying to condition their kids at a young age that "homosexuality is wrong and that fags are going to hell". Nice try mom, but I'm still a fag.
gone was the glow of blue velvet....
I live among the creatures of the night; I'm living in the forest of a dream
Let me take it that most of the people above, either don't believe in God or don't believe in hell, or believe in a lot of different lives. Fine.
Basically, everyone is afraid of dying, whether they say they do or don't. But eventhough it's against the law that I got learned from my mother I honestly truely don't believe that you will get sent to hell for being homosexual. Wait here and let me get a quote:
"This is an enormous chain and I’m sorry, but I need to say this:
The laws in the Old Testament were set forth by god as the rules the Hebrews needed to follow in order to be righteous, to atone for the sin of Adam and Eve and to be able to get into Heaven. That is also why they were required to make sacrifices, because it was part of the appeasement for Original Sin.
According to Christian theology, when Jesus came from Heaven, it was for the express purpose of sacrificing himself on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven. His sacrifice was supposed to be the ultimate act that would free us from the former laws and regulations and allow us to enter Heaven by acting in his image. That is why he said “it is finished” when he died on the cross. That is why Christians don’t have to circumcise their sons (god’s covenant with Jacob), that is why they don’t have to perform animal sacrifice, or grow out their forelocks, or follow any of the other laws of Leviticus.
When you quote Leviticus as god’s law and say they are rules we must follow because they are what god or Jesus wants us to do, what you are really saying, as a Christian, is that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was invalid. He died in vain because you believe we are still beholden to the old laws. That is what you, a self-professed good Christian, are saying to your god and his son, that their plan for your salvation wasn’t good enough for you.
So maybe actually read the thing before you start quoting it, because the implications of your actions go a lot deeper than you think." - An atheist who studied Christian theology before becoming an atheist.
So I think no, you will get punished for the deeds you do though, adultry, stealing. You know the basic stuff. Jesus His law is THE LAW and in that LAW there is nothing that states that you are wrong if you're gay. Now please don't get too scared and just pray and ask for answers. He will guide you through your ways. Now goodbye.
JusSoin, welcome aboard.
So did Jesus think that God was wrong for calling homosexuality a sin, or does he think homosexuality is a sin but you get a pass because he was crucified for it?