Personally I don't have time for bigots.
How about you all?
Personally I don't have time for bigots.
How about you all?
No way that this will ever happen.
I am Dutch, so please excuse me for my low level of English.
I have always understood people who are anti-homosexual even though I find their arguments false. But as long as they don't allow a personal opinion to concretise itself into restrictions for gays I am fine with them.
But your question is slightly the wrong way round as it is unlikely that someone against homosexuality would want to be friends with you, don't you think.
Plus not all those who are against homosexuality are bigots; some are willing to live and let live not being particularly active against it.
No. Simply, no.
For all sad words of tongue and pen,
The saddest are these, 'It might have been.'
what happens if your best friend is your mother? then what? i'll always love my mother no matter what. i love you, mom. she doesn't approve of homosexuality. i came out to her last year. we talked about it and etc. she said that she doesn't approve of gay marriage and etc. she isn't a bad person. she just doesn't get it BUT regardless, i still love her and she will always be my best friend and my mother. if anybody in here were to disrespect her because of that, i would beat their ass. don't disrespect my mother.
i guess what i'm trying to say is that we can't control what other people think even if what they think offends us. what can we do? my brother will say an ignorant comment about black people and i tell his ass off because he's a black male himself but i still love him regardless. he's just being ignorant. if you were to step up to him about that shit, i would stand up for him and tell you to fall back. sometimes, the ignorant people in our lives are our beloved friends and family BUT we still love them regardless. you can only just hope that they change their views over time towards homosexuality and etc. you can't always change everybody into thinking the way you want them to think even if they're wrong. we can't change everyone's views but we can educate the ignorant and if they want to be ignorant, it's their loss. nobody's perfect.
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one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry
Friends? No. If they are classmates I'd just refer to them as my classmates. Unless they show signs of change. Some of my very homophobic str8 freinds changes a lil when they get to know me. Though most don't I think this is why I am not close with my classmates, even though not super homophobic, they are against gay relationships to a certain extent. My close str8 friends are very supportive of whatever I do.
No, they can just fuck off.
No I wouldn't .....................
Sure. I just wouldn't talk about sex with them or try to blow them.
With my peers? No, it's pretty hard to overlook. I'm in the mindset that everyone, in my age group, is accepting of homosexuality unless otherwise specified. If not, I just see them as ignorant.
Though it's different for my parents and close older relatives, even if they're not "friends." As traditional, Catholic Asian parents/uncles/aunts, they've lived much of their lives in an era when it wasn't accepted and many people are naturally resistant to change, so I understand. But when I do come out to them, I do expect them to accept me, even though they might not like it. I'm not saying it's justified, but I understand.
Yes I would.. I thought my best friend was a homophobe and when I found out I liked boys, he remained my best friend for another two years before I came out to him.. After I came out to him, I found out he wasn't against it at all.. like he was weirded out by it at first but then he became fine with it.. + my whole family is against homosexuality but I'm close to them :P
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LeicsDom, we gather that YOU dislike those who don't approve of homosexuality, but who are you to define other people's friendships and definitions? It's not some fine art, defining friendship. A mentally challenged person is nonetheless competent to define whom he sees as his friends, and no one has better insight into his heart than he does.
This isn't an abstract debate. These are human beings, living in society, with tangible humans as friends. That's it. That's all there is to it. We don't get to argue them off their perspective and negate their social circles.
To Jason's question, absolutely yes. Many of my friends are more conservative politically, socially, militarily and culturally than I am. When I befriend a person, I'm not looking for a person to be a model of what I want to be, or what I want society to be. I've had friends who are homeless, jobless, tasteless, witless, snobs, racist, socialist, naturalist, abusers, users, drinkers, tea-totalers, gay, straight, bisexual, young, old, right-brained, left-brained, Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, Green Party, Catholic, Rastafarian, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, Baptist, and the list goes on.
I befriend those people who are friendly. Many people do not expect their friends to be "qualified for the job." The role of a friend is to be your friend, not understand your artistic ability, not share your political or religious views, not align with your standards of personal hygiene or housekeeping, not approve of your love-style, and not have everything in common.
The need to ostracize those who are unlike us is as great a problem as bigotry, if not the same thing. Our world is full of us-vs.-them thinking. Let's stop doing that.
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No. They remain nothing but acquaintances-with-benefits.
Is there a great difference between a fervent Catholic and a confirmed unbeliever being friends really any different?
Had you asked would I make friends with someone actively anti-gay the answer would probably be no but having an anti-gay opinion rather than attitude wouldn't automatically exclude them from a possible friendship.
I've been known to fuck men who are hostile to the homosexual person understanding their need not to engage in sexual relations with men who are clearly feminine - despite their enthusiasm to engage in sexual relationships with "real" men.
I've even permitted homophobic men the pleasure of sucking my penis to climax while fingering their anus.
It's been my experience over very many years that some of the most anti queer friends and, acquaintances that I have had the pleasure to know are also closeted homosexuals happy that I am willing to indulge their sexual fantasies.
It has also been my experience that handsome young men can be easily persuaded to mislay, temporarily their homophobic ways and indulge in sexual relationships with men with the appropriate financial incentive liberating their obsessive, righteous heterosexual focus.
A friend isn't someone that you love in spite of what they are....it is someone you love for who they are.
I think that a lot of people who think that they would be friends with people who disapprove of them to their core either are starved for friends or are confusing being friendly with being friends.
Thus, provided we're not actively persecuting one another for our beliefs, or trying to force each other to change, I believe I can remain friends with anyone.
PS: and a massive welcome back to the nice guy from Nice, sorely missed for far too long!
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You saved me having to reply to that. Gablesyu <3
Also my views on friends is that a friend is a person who loves and respects you for who you are AND in spite of what you are. a person isn't defined by one label alone and that's it.. you can't just be gay.. you have other qualities that will attract people.. it isn't like filling out a form where if you don't match you can't be friends.. You might have friends who like you because you're a nice person, you like to give, you're helpful... not because you're straight or because you're gay. One more thing, a FRIEND should not care about your sexual orientation unless they're planning to have sex with you.
No. My willingness to "live and let live" scales automatically to the willingness of others. Someone who is anti-gay is by definition not in the "live and let live" camp. So, fuck 'em. And not as in Kallipolis's sense of the word: I don't find messed-up gays to be attractive.
Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.
Remain? I'm wondering how that would even begin.
A friend is someone who accepts you for who you are and is supportive of you. If someone disapproves of a part of you that is such a major compenent as your sexuality then they cannot be your friend. An aquaintence, maybe, but never a friend.
Excusing the ignorance of the older generations merely because they come from a different time is no excuse.
We older guys have had to live through thos times and, I hope, are now more tolerant for it.
Being judgemental of gays is no different to being judgmental of a particular race or creed. It is wrong in this day and age
No because that person could never be a friend in the first place.
Is such a friendship even possible? I'm not even friends with most people who approve of my lifestyle.
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I am Dutch, so please excuse me for my low level of English.
It depends how radical they are. To hang around someone that would me more at home with the Westboro church, no. But I do associate with a few people that think sexual orientation is a choice (like they chose to be straight?), or anti gay marriage, or some issue with it. I like to try to be the voice of reason when the subject comes up, and I know I've changed a few minds, or at least open a few minds to the idea that gay or bi isn't wrong, or going to being civilization crashing down, etc.
Would I remain friends with someone who was against homosexuality? It depends if they are apathetic or if they would be going out their way to try and cause me pain. Do they just disagree with it or are they the west borough baptist church?
Yay though I walk through the valley of filth I shall fear no heathen, for my maw is wide and my tongue lapping!
It's no skin off my back, but my "friends" who don't approve of homosexuality have simply removed themselves from my life.
So that basically answers that question.
There's a rather large difference between an "imperfect human being" and a self-hating homo whose outlook actually does damage to other gay men and women.
Nope. Nor, I assume, would they wish to be friends with me. I'm kind of a poster-child/spokesmodel for The Whole Gay Thing.
I have relatives who are probably anti-gay, and I can be friendly with them, but I wouldn't socialize with them on my own. Life is too short to spend it with assholes. And let's be clear: being anti-gay = being an asshole. Even if they're otherwise terrifically nice, even if they give you money, I don't care if it's your mother, or your hundred-year-old great-Uncle Chester, or the pope, or the local bus-driver: I hold you to the same standards as I hold everyone else on this planet, including myself.
Anti-gay = Asshole. I can't say that enough.
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Until I fall upon a reason I find legitimate to understand (didn't say agree with... just legitimate) how homosexuality could be viewed by them to be bad, probably not.
My friends don't need to share all my opinions on every possible topic, but there are a few basic values we need to share.
Last edited by Nishin; April 25th, 2013 at 03:01 PM.
It would depend on what is meant by "against homosexuality"?
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