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    Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Personally I don't have time for bigots.



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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    No way that this will ever happen.
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    I have always understood people who are anti-homosexual even though I find their arguments false. But as long as they don't allow a personal opinion to concretise itself into restrictions for gays I am fine with them.

    But your question is slightly the wrong way round as it is unlikely that someone against homosexuality would want to be friends with you, don't you think.

    Plus not all those who are against homosexuality are bigots; some are willing to live and let live not being particularly active against it.
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    No. Simply, no.
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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    what happens if your best friend is your mother? then what? i'll always love my mother no matter what. i love you, mom. she doesn't approve of homosexuality. i came out to her last year. we talked about it and etc. she said that she doesn't approve of gay marriage and etc. she isn't a bad person. she just doesn't get it BUT regardless, i still love her and she will always be my best friend and my mother. if anybody in here were to disrespect her because of that, i would beat their ass. don't disrespect my mother.

    i guess what i'm trying to say is that we can't control what other people think even if what they think offends us. what can we do? my brother will say an ignorant comment about black people and i tell his ass off because he's a black male himself but i still love him regardless. he's just being ignorant. if you were to step up to him about that shit, i would stand up for him and tell you to fall back. sometimes, the ignorant people in our lives are our beloved friends and family BUT we still love them regardless. you can only just hope that they change their views over time towards homosexuality and etc. you can't always change everybody into thinking the way you want them to think even if they're wrong. we can't change everyone's views but we can educate the ignorant and if they want to be ignorant, it's their loss. nobody's perfect.
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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Friends? No. If they are classmates I'd just refer to them as my classmates. Unless they show signs of change. Some of my very homophobic str8 freinds changes a lil when they get to know me. Though most don't I think this is why I am not close with my classmates, even though not super homophobic, they are against gay relationships to a certain extent. My close str8 friends are very supportive of whatever I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    I have always understood people who are anti-homosexual even though I find their arguments false. But as long as they don't allow a personal opinion to concretise itself into restrictions for gays I am fine with them.

    But your question is slightly the wrong way round as it is unlikely that someone against homosexuality would want to be friends with you, don't you think.

    Plus not all those who are against homosexuality are bigots; some are willing to live and let live not being particularly active against it.
    Not necessarily, a lot of people say they can accept the person, just not the 'homosexual' aspect of that person. I wouldn't be friends with someone that close minded.

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    No, they can just fuck off.

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    No I wouldn't .....................

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    Stupid Question..............




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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Sure. I just wouldn't talk about sex with them or try to blow them.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    Stupid Question..............
    Strange question certainly.

    By simple logic, if someone fundamentally disapproves of you, you aren't friends anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Strange question certainly.

    By simple logic, if someone fundamentally disapproves of you, you aren't friends anyway.
    Maybe you have loads in common with them, but they don't agree with where you put your penis.
    I can be friends with people I don't agree with or who don't agree with me.

    I can even be friends with a Republican.

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    With my peers? No, it's pretty hard to overlook. I'm in the mindset that everyone, in my age group, is accepting of homosexuality unless otherwise specified. If not, I just see them as ignorant.

    Though it's different for my parents and close older relatives, even if they're not "friends." As traditional, Catholic Asian parents/uncles/aunts, they've lived much of their lives in an era when it wasn't accepted and many people are naturally resistant to change, so I understand. But when I do come out to them, I do expect them to accept me, even though they might not like it. I'm not saying it's justified, but I understand.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Yes I would.. I thought my best friend was a homophobe and when I found out I liked boys, he remained my best friend for another two years before I came out to him.. After I came out to him, I found out he wasn't against it at all.. like he was weirded out by it at first but then he became fine with it.. + my whole family is against homosexuality but I'm close to them :P
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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    she doesn't approve of homosexuality. ..... she just doesn't get it BUT regardless, i still love her and she will always be my best friend and my mother.
    I am sorry but you cannot be best friends with someone who disapproves of your sexuality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scealle View Post
    Some of my very homophobic str8 freinds changes a lil when they get to know me.
    They are not friends, they are aquaintences

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Though it's different for my parents and close older relatives, ...... they've lived much of their lives in an era when it wasn't accepted
    That is not a reasonable argument.
    All of the older guys on here lived through that era as well

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    LeicsDom, we gather that YOU dislike those who don't approve of homosexuality, but who are you to define other people's friendships and definitions? It's not some fine art, defining friendship. A mentally challenged person is nonetheless competent to define whom he sees as his friends, and no one has better insight into his heart than he does.

    This isn't an abstract debate. These are human beings, living in society, with tangible humans as friends. That's it. That's all there is to it. We don't get to argue them off their perspective and negate their social circles.

    To Jason's question, absolutely yes. Many of my friends are more conservative politically, socially, militarily and culturally than I am. When I befriend a person, I'm not looking for a person to be a model of what I want to be, or what I want society to be. I've had friends who are homeless, jobless, tasteless, witless, snobs, racist, socialist, naturalist, abusers, users, drinkers, tea-totalers, gay, straight, bisexual, young, old, right-brained, left-brained, Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, Green Party, Catholic, Rastafarian, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, Baptist, and the list goes on.

    I befriend those people who are friendly. Many people do not expect their friends to be "qualified for the job." The role of a friend is to be your friend, not understand your artistic ability, not share your political or religious views, not align with your standards of personal hygiene or housekeeping, not approve of your love-style, and not have everything in common.

    The need to ostracize those who are unlike us is as great a problem as bigotry, if not the same thing. Our world is full of us-vs.-them thinking. Let's stop doing that.
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    No. They remain nothing but acquaintances-with-benefits.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by CupidBoy View Post
    Not necessarily, a lot of people say they can accept the person, just not the 'homosexual' aspect of that person. I wouldn't be friends with someone that close minded.
    Your question was would one remain friends; most certainly yes in that case as it is always worth the effort to keep a friend and obviously their remaining your friend implies that they are making and effort to accept you for what you are despite their views on homosexuality.

    Is there a great difference between a fervent Catholic and a confirmed unbeliever being friends really any different?

    Had you asked would I make friends with someone actively anti-gay the answer would probably be no but having an anti-gay opinion rather than attitude wouldn't automatically exclude them from a possible friendship.
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    I've been known to fuck men who are hostile to the homosexual person understanding their need not to engage in sexual relations with men who are clearly feminine - despite their enthusiasm to engage in sexual relationships with "real" men.

    I've even permitted homophobic men the pleasure of sucking my penis to climax while fingering their anus.

    It's been my experience over very many years that some of the most anti queer friends and, acquaintances that I have had the pleasure to know are also closeted homosexuals happy that I am willing to indulge their sexual fantasies.

    It has also been my experience that handsome young men can be easily persuaded to mislay, temporarily their homophobic ways and indulge in sexual relationships with men with the appropriate financial incentive liberating their obsessive, righteous heterosexual focus.


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    A friend isn't someone that you love in spite of what they are....it is someone you love for who they are.

    I think that a lot of people who think that they would be friends with people who disapprove of them to their core either are starved for friends or are confusing being friendly with being friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Your question was would one remain friends; most certainly yes in that case as it is always worth the effort to keep a friend and obviously their remaining your friend implies that they are making and effort to accept you for what you are despite their views on homosexuality.

    Is there a great difference between a fervent Catholic and a confirmed unbeliever being friends really any different?

    Had you asked would I make friends with someone actively anti-gay the answer would probably be no but having an anti-gay opinion rather than attitude wouldn't automatically exclude them from a possible friendship.
    Nice to see you posting your well appreciated wisdom always appreciated by me.

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    A friend isn't someone that you love in spite of what they are....it is someone you love for who they are.
    Agreed. Who they are is more than any one single area that you do not have in common. Some of us are able to tolerate more dissonance than others, to state the obvious.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    A friend isn't someone that you love in spite of what they are....it is someone you love for who they are.

    I think that a lot of people who think that they would be friends with people who disapprove of them to their core either are starved for friends or are confusing being friendly with being friends.
    Well... I vehemently disapprove of organised religion and its proponents, but its nothing to the point where I have to cut off everyone who finds comfort for themselves in it. I am a live and let live kind of guy.

    Thus, provided we're not actively persecuting one another for our beliefs, or trying to force each other to change, I believe I can remain friends with anyone.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    LeicsDom, we gather that YOU dislike those who don't approve of homosexuality, but who are you to define other people's friendships and definitions? It's not some fine art, defining friendship. A mentally challenged person is nonetheless competent to define whom he sees as his friends, and no one has better insight into his heart than he does.

    This isn't an abstract debate. These are human beings, living in society, with tangible humans as friends. That's it. That's all there is to it. We don't get to argue them off their perspective and negate their social circles.

    To Jason's question, absolutely yes. Many of my friends are more conservative politically, socially, militarily and culturally than I am. When I befriend a person, I'm not looking for a person to be a model of what I want to be, or what I want society to be. I've had friends who are homeless, jobless, tasteless, witless, snobs, racist, socialist, naturalist, abusers, users, drinkers, tea-totalers, gay, straight, bisexual, young, old, right-brained, left-brained, Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, Green Party, Catholic, Rastafarian, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, Baptist, and the list goes on.

    I befriend those people who are friendly. Many people do not expect their friends to be "qualified for the job." The role of a friend is to be your friend, not understand your artistic ability, not share your political or religious views, not align with your standards of personal hygiene or housekeeping, not approve of your love-style, and not have everything in common.

    The need to ostracize those who are unlike us is as great a problem as bigotry, if not the same thing. Our world is full of us-vs.-them thinking. Let's stop doing that.

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    Also my views on friends is that a friend is a person who loves and respects you for who you are AND in spite of what you are. a person isn't defined by one label alone and that's it.. you can't just be gay.. you have other qualities that will attract people.. it isn't like filling out a form where if you don't match you can't be friends.. You might have friends who like you because you're a nice person, you like to give, you're helpful... not because you're straight or because you're gay. One more thing, a FRIEND should not care about your sexual orientation unless they're planning to have sex with you.

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    No. My willingness to "live and let live" scales automatically to the willingness of others. Someone who is anti-gay is by definition not in the "live and let live" camp. So, fuck 'em. And not as in Kallipolis's sense of the word: I don't find messed-up gays to be attractive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    That is not a reasonable argument.
    All of the older guys on here lived through that era as well
    Yes, but many of the older men here are gay or bisexual themselves.

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    Remain? I'm wondering how that would even begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    LeicsDom, we gather that YOU dislike those who don't approve of homosexuality, but who are you to define other people's friendships and definitions?
    I don't DISLIKE them. They are just of no consequence to me
    A friend is someone who accepts you for who you are and is supportive of you. If someone disapproves of a part of you that is such a major compenent as your sexuality then they cannot be your friend. An aquaintence, maybe, but never a friend.

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    I've even permitted homophobic men the pleasure of sucking my penis to climax while fingering their anus.

    It has also been my experience that handsome young men can be easily persuaded to mislay, temporarily their homophobic ways and indulge in sexual relationships with men with the appropriate financial incentive liberating their obsessive, righteous heterosexual focus.

    Most homophobes are closeted and in denial

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Yes, but many of the older men here are gay or bisexual themselves.
    Exactly my point.
    Excusing the ignorance of the older generations merely because they come from a different time is no excuse.
    We older guys have had to live through thos times and, I hope, are now more tolerant for it.
    Being judgemental of gays is no different to being judgmental of a particular race or creed. It is wrong in this day and age

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    ...It is wrong in this day and age
    What's special about this day and age?

    What will be the next day and age? What mental and moral contortions will we be put through to appease the next generation of needy people?

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    No because that person could never be a friend in the first place.

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    Is such a friendship even possible? I'm not even friends with most people who approve of my lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Though it's different for my parents and close older relatives, even if they're not "friends."
    People are able to choose their friends, but they are unable to choose their family. Therefore, its different for parents and other relatives. I tend to think that the topic / question is about non-relatives. You can't choose your family, so you must find a way to cope with the ones of your family who don't accept you [totally] (etc.). Its a different situation when its about non-relatives.
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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    It depends how radical they are. To hang around someone that would me more at home with the Westboro church, no. But I do associate with a few people that think sexual orientation is a choice (like they chose to be straight?), or anti gay marriage, or some issue with it. I like to try to be the voice of reason when the subject comes up, and I know I've changed a few minds, or at least open a few minds to the idea that gay or bi isn't wrong, or going to being civilization crashing down, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    A friend isn't someone that you love in spite of what they are....it is someone you love for who they are.

    I think that a lot of people who think that they would be friends with people who disapprove of them to their core either are starved for friends or are confusing being friendly with being friends.
    This right here.

    I have way too many wonderful, supporting folks to choose from than to surround myself with people who are against me.

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    Would I remain friends with someone who was against homosexuality? It depends if they are apathetic or if they would be going out their way to try and cause me pain. Do they just disagree with it or are they the west borough baptist church?
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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    It's no skin off my back, but my "friends" who don't approve of homosexuality have simply removed themselves from my life.
    So that basically answers that question.

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    No. My willingness to "live and let live" scales automatically to the willingness of others. Someone who is anti-gay is by definition not in the "live and let live" camp. So, fuck 'em. And not as in Kallipolis's sense of the word: I don't find messed-up gays to be attractive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    Most homophobes are closeted and in denial
    I agree nevertheless, they still need a sexual life and I am highly obliging even, discrete for those who are incarcerated within their self made cell of loneliness. They're also a good fuck.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    There's a rather large difference between an "imperfect human being" and a self-hating homo whose outlook actually does damage to other gay men and women.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    I agree nevertheless, they still need a sexual life and I am highly obliging even, discrete for those who are incarcerated within their self made cell of loneliness. They're also a good fuck.
    That is very true. I'd fuck one but I could never be friends with one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Tech View Post
    It's no skin off my back, but my "friends" who don't approve of homosexuality have simply removed themselves from my life.
    Excatly my feeling

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Str8Top14701 View Post
    I do associate with a few people that think sexual orientation is a choice (like they chose to be straight?), or anti gay marriage, or some issue with it.
    I really don't think being anti gay marriage is a friendship deal breaker.
    I view it akin to liking older guys or younger guys. Maybe not for me but not something I consider important

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Nope. Nor, I assume, would they wish to be friends with me. I'm kind of a poster-child/spokesmodel for The Whole Gay Thing.

    I have relatives who are probably anti-gay, and I can be friendly with them, but I wouldn't socialize with them on my own. Life is too short to spend it with assholes. And let's be clear: being anti-gay = being an asshole. Even if they're otherwise terrifically nice, even if they give you money, I don't care if it's your mother, or your hundred-year-old great-Uncle Chester, or the pope, or the local bus-driver: I hold you to the same standards as I hold everyone else on this planet, including myself.

    Anti-gay = Asshole. I can't say that enough.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    Until I fall upon a reason I find legitimate to understand (didn't say agree with... just legitimate) how homosexuality could be viewed by them to be bad, probably not.
    My friends don't need to share all my opinions on every possible topic, but there are a few basic values we need to share.
    Last edited by Nishin; April 25th, 2013 at 03:01 PM.

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    Re: Would you remain friends with someone who is against homosexuality?

    It would depend on what is meant by "against homosexuality"?
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

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    Uh.....



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