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    Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    Caught Jeremy Scahill on Morning Joe this morning - he's an honest progressive - unlike so many here who will support Obama no matter what

    The Book - Dirty Wars:
    - The story of how a popular Democratic President has exceeded the Bush Terror apparatus

    - Drones are killing innocent people - innocent Americans

    - Warlords kill for the US

    - Obama has solidified assassination as a central component of national US security policy

    - Liberals are laying down for this - while there would have been outrage if McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012 - was doing this - "war crimes ...... impeachment"

    - Obama has sold a bill of goods that drones are a "clean" war

    - we are giving people an incentive to attack the US

    This guys is the goods - I don't necessarily agree with him - but he's an honest progressive - just as Bill Maher is

    - In Somalia, the Obama admin is using a prison where CIA is interrogating suspected militants

    - also engaged in renditions snatching people from one country and taking them to another

    - The US farms out their torture/outsources their torture

    - Obama admin can kill people while the Bush admin got in trouble for wiretapping w/o warrants - LOL

    - Dick Cheney says "Barack Obama is the man" LOL

    - People living in drone zones are regular citizens of these countries - women with babies - with drones buzzing overhead

    - In Yemen, it's increasing support for Al Qaeda - as innocents are killed along with bad guys

    - Dark Ops Force has expanded under Obama

    Watch the video - it's fucking awesome - just under 10 minutes - you'll learn something and maybe you'll be honest about it


    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036789/ns...0465/#51630465

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    thinking politically there is a third way , authoritarianism , that is neither left nor right . Amusingly historically the most abusive of their own citizenry entirely internally historically would be Stalin and Hitler , the most left and the most right , and recently George Bush in the US And Tony Blair in the UK , again left and rather severely right . Thinking generally socially we will let the authoritarian left get away without a ripple with things we would never let the right get away with : was thinking the closed-circuit police TVs in London , if they had been put there under a conservative government there would have been a revolution . Things we would never let the right get away with .

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    History again . Harry S Truman founded the CIA and NSA , the Korean War , effectively started the Cold War , was the only person in history to actually use nuclear weapons , overthrew the democratically-elected leader of Iran and set up someone else and SAVAK the Iranian CIA . But he was a democrat . With dimples . The failed haberdasher from St. Jo Missouri .

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    Jesus Christ Chance.

    Have you given any thought at all as to why every thread you start needs to be an insult to the other posters on this forum? It undercuts the credibility of your arguments from the outset.

    Every fucking time.

    Give your axe a rest. No matter how much you grind away, the edge is always dulled when you do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    History again . Harry S Truman founded the CIA and NSA , the Korean War , effectively started the Cold War , was the only person in history to actually use nuclear weapons , overthrew the democratically-elected leader of Iran and set up someone else and SAVAK the Iranian CIA . But he was a democrat . With dimples . The failed haberdasher from St. Jo Missouri .
    Truman never lived in St. Joseph ... kinda kills your factual argument .. not sure why you're talking about Truman anyway. I have not yet watched the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Jesus Christ Chance.

    Have you given any thought at all as to why every thread you start needs to be an insult to the other posters on this forum? It undercuts the credibility of your arguments from the outset.

    Every fucking time.

    Give your axe a rest. No matter how much you grind away, the edge is always dulled when you do this.
    So you enjoyed the video ?

    How do u feel about this Dirty War concept ?

    My guess is u learned something here

    Does Obama deserve the same scrutiny as Bush ?

    More pertinent than your faux outrage

    We'll wait to hear

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    What does it tell me?

    It tells me that no matter who now is in the oval office, the US has essentially lost its moral compass and that having sown the seeds of bitter resentment and lust for revenge around the world...is now so consumed with protecting fortress America that it now openly uses the very same tools that the regimes it professes to hate do. It tells me that the Pentagon and Halliburton are still reaping the obscene profits of conflict while fomenting rebellion, revolution and fundamentalist extremism around the globe.

    It tells me that after the staggering failure of the Iraq war, that the US is now smart enough to know that it can no longer spend itself rich by bankrupting the taxpayer to finance another disastrous Halliburton/Cheney/Rumsfeld type war and so now must resort to the more practical and economical weapons in the arsenal like drones.

    That is what it tells me.

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    Re: Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Jesus Christ Chance.

    Have you given any thought at all as to why every thread you start needs to be an insult to the other posters on this forum? It undercuts the credibility of your arguments from the outset.

    Every fucking time.

    Give your axe a rest. No matter how much you grind away, the edge is always dulled when you do this.
    My thoughts exactly. it is almost like the anit-immigrant argument that invades every single thread.




    I have said a million times over on here that we need to be more of what we actually are instead of pretending we are this nation of peace. We have been a nation at war and guiding war since our founding. I don't see it changing. This just means we don't die in our wars.
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    between GWB and Obama, I genuinely wonder if they've created more terrorists than they've killed.

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    Re: Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    between GWB and Obama, I genuinely wonder if they've created more terrorists than they've killed.
    It is easy to think that but honestly the wave was coming. An entire generation blames us for their very existence in poverty BEFORE the two wars. Never mind their dictator leadership that live like the richest kings in the universe. The only thing the war did was create a place for those with beef to meet our soldiers. Now they will come here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    My thoughts exactly. it is almost like the anit-immigrant argument that invades every single thread. I have said a million times over on here that we need to be more of what we actually are instead of pretending we are this nation of peace. We have been a nation at war and guiding war since our founding. I don't see it changing. This just means we don't die in our wars.
    Yeah just like being anti immigrant Many here make excuses for Obama and support or overlook things he does that would otherwise not beThat's not debatable So move along and come back with something more real Scahill is a serious progressive with credibility And I respect his POVWhile supporting the drone program - just one of his "dirty war" issues

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    Re: Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    between GWB and Obama, I genuinely wonder if they've created more terrorists than they've killed.
    Scahill's premise is that Obama has doubled down

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Yeah just like being anti immigrant Many here make excuses for Obama and support or overlook things he does that would otherwise not beThat's not debatable So move along and come back with something more real Scahill is a serious progressive with credibility And I respect his POVWhile supporting the drone program - just one of his "dirty war" issues
    Well it is a good thing folks like you and the immigrant hater aren't ever going to have any sort of power in this country isn't it...

    Our path is set.

    Who ya goona vote for next time... the warring democrat or the peaceful dove republican... lol

    We should just rename CEP 'Naivete in all its forms'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well it is a good thing folks like you and the immigrant hater aren't ever going to have any sort of power in this country isn't it...

    Our path is set.

    Who ya goona vote for next time... the warring democrat or the peaceful dove republican... lol

    We should just rename CEP 'Naivete in all its forms'.
    Lol

    I'm "grouped" with Ben

    Go for it

    And your follow up proves you didn't watch Scahill as you're poster boy for his POV about liberal support for Obama on this issue

    Thanks for helping

    And like I said I support the drone program

    Another fact conveniently forgotten by ....

    Not me

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    Please feel free to read anything I have posted for the last eight years. My views on the US being a war like nation and continuing that until the end of the country or the end of time have been present for the last eight years.

    But it is enjoyable watching you deflect.

    I dont necessarily group you two. You are more like Gen Alfie where every thread is a taunt or insult to the other members contrary to the CoC. Why he was able to get away with it so long was the massive generosity of the moderation team. I suspect the same is true of why i have been given breaks for losing it and why you continue to get grace. However, i do suspect in the end your fate and potentially mine will be the same as Alfies.
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    I group them. I am yet to see chance confront a single idiotic statement of Benvolio's. That implies support since he is never quiet about those he disagrees with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I group them. I am yet to see chance confront a single idiotic statement of Benvolio's. That implies support since he is never quiet about those he disagrees with.
    Of course u do

    But u don't read posts
    Or view links
    Or keep abreast of world goings on
    Do u know who Jeremy Scahill is as an example ?

    Why would I voice disagreement with Ben when he already has oh so many detractors most of whom belittle him personally instead of his ideas

    Only Andy and jay (sometimes) take him on fairly

    I find Ben's immigration POV to be extremist and not reflecting current reality or a promising future

    What's YOUR answer for the immigration problem ?

    Much like liberals who complain about Paul Ryan's budget ideas w/o ideas of their own

    They demagogue

    That's what you do

    Ps - I thought JayHawk's above POV has a lot of truth to it

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    I don't think there's an immigration problem to address. I believe it is fear mongering by xenophobic right wingers who want to blame the "outsiders" for the pit of despair their own party turned this country's economy into.

    And 4 years of living in the States have yet to convince me otherwise.

    And I am not buying your excuse for not confronting Benvolio. Do you think his xenophobic, racist points deserve consideration? I don't. You have some valuable stuff to say in your better medicated moments. He never has anything that's not hiding his warped ideology.
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    what's the point in confronting a bot?

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    Great interview and great response to rolyo85 and the other blind 85 who have too much ideological baggage or personal animus towards you to even clearly think beyond their self serving comfort zone. Obama is not the goods but selling a bill of goods...in the future we'll look back at Obama and wonder how he so skillfully manipulated so many people. I think he's gone too far in this potentially roguish, exceedingly dangerous foreign policy in which drones are only the tip of the iceberg. When in the Reagan Administration did this in Iran/contra leftists were calling for his head on a platter. Unfortunately too few on the left here and elsewhere have the intellectual honesty to challenge the Obama Administration on policies which have effectively exponentially expanded the Bush policies they condemned as unconstitutional and criminal. I had problems with a lot of those Bush policies but Obama seems to have compounded them by using out-sourcing this secretive anti-terrorism policy, playing a cynical shell game with potentially disastrous results.

    For all his detractors here, hance is a hell of a lot more open minded and fair than the vast majority of that lot and is nothing like Benvolio parroting almost without fail the bleatings of the hard right. I don't always agree with him, but I'm damn glad he's here .... he WILL engage but too many people just see easy score points against him, and enjoy pushing his buttons rather than thinking, "hey, there may well be some compelling points there, there IS another perspective rather than simple "right always wrong, left always right".
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    Re: Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    What does it tell me?

    It tells me that no matter who now is in the oval office, the US has essentially lost its moral compass and that having sown the seeds of bitter resentment and lust for revenge around the world...is now so consumed with protecting fortress America that it now openly uses the very same tools that the regimes it professes to hate do. It tells me that the Pentagon and Halliburton are still reaping the obscene profits of conflict while fomenting rebellion, revolution and fundamentalist extremism around the globe.

    It tells me that after the staggering failure of the Iraq war, that the US is now smart enough to know that it can no longer spend itself rich by bankrupting the taxpayer to finance another disastrous Halliburton/Cheney/Rumsfeld type war and so now must resort to the more practical and economical weapons in the arsenal like drones.

    That is what it tells me.
    I respect your opinion here - I just disagree

    I don't believe we've lost our "moral compass" - rather in this very dangerous world we have adjusted - this is not a republican thing - rather a survival thing

    I don't think there is a moral equivalence to our standards and those we/you loathe

    sorta like comparing Israel to Hezbollah

    I agree with your 2nd part

    Thanks for sharing

    I'm interested to see what the standard bearers of the 85 think here - only 2 have chimed in ON TOPIC

    come on guys

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    Thanks for the video chance. A real eye-opener. I personally don't endorse some of these policies and think they merit serious inquiry, if not consideration of impeachment. That said, the US has never been one to honor foreign borders or to forego a chance to sew mischief in a country acting in a way contrary to our interests. But to my mind the present covert policies grow more enemies than they eradicate.

    To a main point, I am not particularly distressed that US citizens are targets or even collateral damage, given the circumstances under which they are acting in fulminating hatred. Unfortunately our activities only serve to bolster their argument. And, quite frankly, I would not be surprised if the CIA wasn't "offing" citizens during the Cold War.

    In the end we fool only ourselves by claiming a moral high ground.

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    I actually don't think the coalition that went into afghanistan should break itself doing "nation building." If people are happy living in byzantine fiefdoms, supporting crazy jihadi terrorist theocrats, as many of them seem to be, then there is nothing wrong with spending the next 50 years flying drones over the place and ensuring that if stable, modern, democratic, human-rights-based governance can't take hold there, that absolutely nothing else will.


    Maybe democracy and freedom are for those who have, if not earned it, at least paid for it. Maybe it cannot be a gift from abroad.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I think the easiest way to "nation build" in Afghanistan would be to buy their entire heroin production. And let them govern themselves the way they wish. That area has been trouble since Alexander the Great and will always remain so.

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    If the area truly were destined to "always remain so" then an uninterrupted drone program is the best thing going.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Chance, the US has been hiring "mercenaries" [sometimes persons, sometimes corporations] since they outlawed the draft to shore up its military. It's something neither party likes to admit to but is there. Drones are just another facet to the mercenary aspect.

    I'm surprised you're shocked by that revelation.

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    I finally got time to watch the vid.

    Dirty Wars: The Media Sleeps While Obama Wages War

    However, I am amazed how the interview got past the higher-ups at MSNBC. I'm impressed.

    I had no idea we were conducting drone attacks in the Philippines.

    All you lib's need to watch the video to hear the comment about Cheney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I had no idea we were conducting drone attacks in the Philippines.
    I had no idea a lot of this activity -- and its extensiveness -- was going on.

    And I don't like it: all we're doing is growing enemies.

    We are making the jihadists case for them.

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    Re: Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    Jeremy Scahil was on Bill Maher this week .........

    He's a military industrialist critic ...... Bill loves him

    JSOC
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    Military all star team
    the guys who got Bin Laden

    elite hunter killers is what they are

    drones, assassinations, night raids, torture ...... is what we do

    nightly basis in pakistan - war within a war - every night our guys are hunting guys on kill lists - knocking down doors - often we're killing people based on very incomplete information

    snitches tell on our citizens and we kill them .......

    family in village - sr. police commander killed - two pregnant women killed - dug bullets out of victims - blamed the taliban - big cover up - we are turning these people against us

    creating terrorists every day - making more enemies than

    NO ONE KNOWS WHY WE ARE IN AFGHANISTAN ANYMORE

    Obama is worse than Bush

    he has normalized assassination

    sold Bush Cheney policies to liberals

    The Obama Legacy

    Anwar al-Awlaki's son - 16 was killed sitting in a restaurant 2 weeks after his dad was - by a drone strike - why ???

    watch Bill Maher this week - very good

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    Wait Chance, I thought you were for the war efforts? You didn't know that this started well before Obama? You didn't know we have teams all over the middle east most times invited by the countries leadership to clandestinely eradicate the terror inside those borders?

    Weird. I take for granted people know why we send small groups of special forces into countries.

    Still it is weird that now you are thoroughly against the idea once a democratic president is allowing the same military to continue operations.

    As I said before the election, Obama is the best republican candidate we have... he just happens to support gay marriage and abortion and weed.... meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Wait Chance, I thought you were for the war efforts? You didn't know that this started well before Obama? You didn't know we have teams all over the middle east most times invited by the countries leadership to clandestinely eradicate the terror inside those borders?

    Weird. I take for granted people know why we send small groups of special forces into countries.

    Still it is weird that now you are thoroughly against the idea once a democratic president is allowing the same military to continue operations.

    As I said before the election, Obama is the best republican candidate we have... he just happens to support gay marriage and abortion and weed.... meh.
    I am transparent on this - my first goal is to keep america/americans safe - i appreciate offense combined with a good defense

    hearing details on the extent of this stuff is difficult however - and i'm predisposed to defending my govt. and their actions to protect me/my family etc.

    details can be chilling - jeremy provides details

    and i'm not against the idea - who said i was ?

    it's like anything else i guess - good things can become less than good - i don't have the answers - i'm just learning all the facts

    like the killing of the police guy and pregnant women - then blaming it on the taliban

    some of us aren't so sure
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    Re: Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield

    I don't think anyone has all the answers. However, this government has been knocking on doors around the world since 9/11. I don't think that genie is going back into the bottle after almost twelve years. No, there is a reason the CIA is aligned with our special forces. There is also a reason we are currently in multiple countries across the globe and sharing intelligence rapidly with nations we used to call allies and then spy on. It wasn't personal, they called us allies and spied on us as well. It was the game. 9/11 changed the rules. Also calling it assassination may meet the dictionary definition but all is fair in love and war. While Obama has been accused of 'ending the war on terror' by the frothy mouths so they can try and get a foothold, he has never asked congress to rescind the war powers granted... so there is still a war on terror. While our spec ops perform the task and war is authorized by congress then it is an act of war not an act of state sponsored assassination. I imagine that is the legal defense developed should it be challenged. yet who will challenge it? The stateless terrorist? The countries asking us to eliminate their bad apples?

    My inclination is that the media will do another soul search once Obama ends and a new democrat will take his place. Then the next (gal) will have a tougher time operating.
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    it's like having an open relationship i guess - i haven't had one

    knowing that your partner is fucking around is one thing

    with who/when is another - who topped who bottomed etc.

    how do u like my gay relationship analogy ?

    it is ironic that our socialist president is a .......... what's the word ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    it's like having an open relationship i guess - i haven't had one

    knowing that your partner is fucking around is one thing

    with who/when is another - who topped who bottomed etc.

    how do u like my gay relationship analogy ?

    it is ironic that our socialist president is a .......... what's the word ????
    "diplomatically in an open relationship?"

    sorry, I coudn't resist...
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    Stalin was a socialist. Obama is just muddling through a mired system of kick backs and hook ups. Socialist it is not and never will be. Unfortunately.

    Some socialism is good. ALL western nations and many we consider 'below' us have better, massively better medical care for their people. The highest bidder capitalism does not appear to work well for the majority without means. Hell i wish we were at least communist. Apparently the Chinese are able to build and repair roads, bridges and schools. We think that people should do that on their own and our once world renown roads system shows it very clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Stalin was a socialist. Obama is just muddling through a mired system of kick backs and hook ups. Socialist it is not and never will be. Unfortunately.

    Some socialism is good. ALL western nations and many we consider 'below' us have better, massively better medical care for their people. The highest bidder capitalism does not appear to work well for the majority without means. Hell i wish we were at least communist. Apparently the Chinese are able to build and repair roads, bridges and schools. We think that people should do that on their own and our once world renown roads system shows it very clearly.
    JayHawk look at you using nuance and balance and trying to put things on the middle ground. Don't you know that it's supposed to be us versus them?
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Stalin was a socialist. Obama is just muddling through a mired system of kick backs and hook ups. Socialist it is not and never will be. Unfortunately.

    Some socialism is good. ALL western nations and many we consider 'below' us have better, massively better medical care for their people. The highest bidder capitalism does not appear to work well for the majority without means. Hell i wish we were at least communist. Apparently the Chinese are able to build and repair roads, bridges and schools. We think that people should do that on their own and our once world renown roads system shows it very clearly.
    i was teasing re: obama/socialist .......

    as for the chinese ...... u don't want to live in china

    seems to be similar to the idea that "mussolini made the trains run on time "

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    JayHawk look at you using nuance and balance and trying to put things on the middle ground. Don't you know that it's supposed to be us versus them?
    it's that time of the month dontcha know

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    Not when it comes to new structures built. They are whipping our ass. Believe me I have watched it transform the last fifteen years. Ringside as it were. Where they lack is another republican hated program. they have no EPA or a Sierra club to tell the government that they are fucking up and it has consequences irt drinking water, sewage disposal, soil stability... etc. They are a huge country though and many of those environmental items are regional. Can you imagine forty years ago when the great lakes were algae blooms of toxic death that killed off more fish than it spawned? Me neither. Dont wanna live there either. I also dont wanna be forced to drive a 4x4 because of the size of potholes in the roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Stalin was a socialist. Obama is just muddling through a mired system of kick backs and hook ups. Socialist it is not and never will be. Unfortunately.

    Some socialism is good. ALL western nations and many we consider 'below' us have better, massively better medical care for their people. The highest bidder capitalism does not appear to work well for the majority without means. Hell i wish we were at least communist. Apparently the Chinese are able to build and repair roads, bridges and schools. We think that people should do that on their own and our once world renown roads system shows it very clearly.
    From what I've seen on 60 Minutes they're building entire cities; complete with shopping malls, and multi-use residential communities, and no one is living there.

    Apparently to continue to "prop up" some economic bubble that the Communist Regime feels that they need to in order to keep up with their GDP.

    What's the with the hand wringing over a "Dirty War" here in America?

    Russia, China, and YES the United States are ruled by an Oligarchy.

    Rather than by a group of Mafia Thugs in Russia, or the Communist Committee in China, it's "Corporation America" and Wall Street that are perpetuating this "war."

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    ^^ true dat. Couldnt agree more. It is a charade.


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    The stock market will continue to go up as long as the Fed prints new money .. when reality hits -- run like hell to get out of the stock market.

    Strange economic policy we have in the USA. All fake.

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    Yet the world still rushes to put money into it.... it is like it is rigged for us.... bwhahahahahaha


    I agree though Jack, if the banks dump all the cash they have on hand onto the market, it will be game over. But that would end them with no country left to bail them out... so I doubt they will do it.
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    ^ ^ ^^See!

    Watching that type of destruction at the movies doesn't make "reality" seem so bad.

    What's your weapon of choice for the Zombie Apocalypse?

    As an American I use to think it was my right to vote, but apparently that right has more standing on American Idol, sponsored by Coca Cola until I discovered that X-Factor is being sponsored by Pepsi.

    What's a girl to do?



    Perhaps we should all become "community activists."
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    Nah community activist go nowhere........



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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    ^^ true dat. Couldnt agree more. It is a charade.


    I am going to yellowstone to smoke pot, hug a tree and prepare for my final broadcast... ala Woody Harrelson in 2012

    That was one of the worst films ever, particularly in how far it fell short of its potential. It was bad. It was almost Waterworld-bad.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    ^ ^ ^^See!

    Watching that type of destruction at the movies doesn't make "reality" seem so bad.

    What's your weapon of choice for the Zombie Apocalypse?

    As an American I use to think it was my right to vote, but apparently that right has more standing on American Idol, sponsored by Coca Cola until I discovered that X-Factor is being sponsored by Pepsi.

    What's a girl to do?



    Perhaps we should all become "community activists."
    First ... stop calling yourself a girl .. you're a man.

    Next ... buy a thousand isolated acres in Montana and hone up your fishing, hunting, trapping, and farming abilities.

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    ^ We already have a CE&P Mod who's done that already.

    (It was only 40 acres, but he's found a nice micro brewery in town.)

    What else ya got?

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    Jeremy Scahill fellas ?????

    Remember him ?

    Thread TOPIC and all that jazz

    Is there a moderator in the house ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Jeremy Scahill fellas ?????

    Remember him ?


    Yes!

    I'd tap that!

    Thread TOPIC and all that jazz
    Clearly post Ed Koch.

    Is there a moderator in the house ??
    Why?

    Do you need one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The stock market will continue to go up as long as the Fed prints new money .. when reality hits -- run like hell to get out of the stock market.

    Strange economic policy we have in the USA. All fake.
    Any sane person would realize that the FED is propping up the stock markets. Their holdings alone explain that [they don't increase by ~500% over 3 years for no reason]. I got out of corporate finance last year 1: due to its culture and 2: because I saw no real future in being either a sycophant or a soothsayer.

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