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    Re: Boston Bomber May Never Be Questioned

    FUCKER! Beat me to it - anyone want to take a swing at "...I have sources which you are not supposed to look at..."

    I suspect that translates to "......I have sources I don't want to admit..."

    If you're all 007 security top secret WHY ARE YOU BRINGING IT UP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Am. You are not. Neither is an ethnic America, but one is technically a citizen until his citizenship is revoked.
    1. Nobody believes you are a lawyer, so might as well stop pointing it out.

    2. How many generations back do we need to go for one to be "ethnically" American?

    3. There's no such animal as a "technical" citizenship. You're either a citizen, or you are not and those are the only two settings that exist.

    4. Under the law, his citizenship can't and won't be revoked for the crimes he has committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    I have sources which you are not supposed to look at. My sources have provided me with this link.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...Yqm6hA.twitter
    Bwahahahahaha! That ridiculous cop out would barely work for someone who had everyone's respect on here. How could you possibly imagine it would ever work for you? O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    4. Under the law, his citizenship can't and won't be revoked for the crimes he has committed.
    I haven’t heard mention of the possibility in news reports; however, it is conceivable.

    Membership in a subversive organization or group within five years after you became a naturalized citizen could lead to revocation of your citizenship. The Communist Party and terrorist groups are the classic examples of "subversive" organizations.

    Denaturalization: Revoking Your US Citizenship

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post

    I haven’t heard mention of the possibility in news reports; however, it is conceivable.
    But there's no proof he was in any such organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    But there's no proof he was in any such organization.
    Well technically there were two of them... that is a group. They undertook subversive actions.

    Still i doubt they would bother. WHY would you make them available to the protection of their government arguing on their behalf.
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    If they or older brother are in contact with other group that will be enough. They will not need to be formal members. I doubt if such groups issue membership cards and lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post

    Well technically there were two of them... that is a group. They undertook subversive actions.

    Still i doubt they would bother. WHY would you make them available to the protection of their government arguing on their behalf.
    Because Benvolio thinks it was a mistake to give those foreigners with their repulsive immigrant otherness a citizenship to begin with, and he really really REALLY wants it to get revoked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Because Benvolio thinks it was a mistake to give those foreigners with their repulsive immigrant otherness a citizenship to begin with, and he really really REALLY wants it to get revoked?
    With hindsight it clearly was a mistake to give the younger immigrant citizenship, but Homeland Security was intentionaly dragging its feet on the older one. He was not a citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    With hindsight it clearly was a mistake to give the younger immigrant citizenship, but Homeland Security was intentionaly dragging its feet on the older one. He was not a citizen.
    Actually he could have done what he did regardless of citizenship status. Immigration had nothing to do with it, however much you want to blame that.
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    Re: Boston Bomber May Never Be Questioned

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually he could have done what he did regardless of citizenship status. Immigration had nothing to do with it, however much you want to blame that.
    Without immigration they would not have been here and it would not have happened. I do not claim citizenship affected it although the older one may have been upset that his brother got it but not him. They would not have given either citizenship if they had known they were terrorists, so it was a mistake.
    Last edited by Benvolio; April 22nd, 2013 at 04:08 PM.

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    Timothy McVeigh was home bred pro-militia pro-gun right wing anti-government terror. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Timothy McVeigh was home bred pro-militia pro-gun right wing anti-government terror. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.
    Some crime is unavoidable. Immigrant crime is avoidable. 25% of persons in American prisons are immigrants. These bombers, like so many,came for the economic opportunities but hated our people and culture. We have only ourselves to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Some crime is unavoidable. Immigrant crime is avoidable.
    You mean home grown terrorism is excusable because home grown terrorists are not immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Some crime is unavoidable. Immigrant crime is avoidable. 25% of persons in American prisons are immigrants. These bombers, like so many,came for the economic opportunities but hated our people and culture. We have only ourselves to blame.
    75% of persons in American prisons are Americans. Most domestic acts of terror are perpetuated by people born and raised in America. You TRULY have only yourselves to blame.

    I love how you dance around the actual point you're making here - that the US should close its borders - without actually saying it. You know which other countries did that? Communist dictatorships. This is the second time I've caught you wanting the US to imitate a Communist dictatorship.

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    Hogwash. Communist countries close the boarders to keep people in. We must keep the huge numbers out. I have never danced around the issue. We should stop immigration except for a few scientists, and others with needed training. If we do not our country is doomed to be another poor overpopulated banans republic. We have already passed the point of no return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Hogwash. Communist countries close the boarders to keep people in. We must keep the huge numbers out. I have never danced around the issue. We should stop immigration except for a few scientists, and others with needed training. If we do not our country is doomed to be another poor overpopulated banans republic. We have already passed the point of no return.
    Haha by your own words, it seems I am needed ^_^ That must sting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Haha by your own words, it seems I am needed ^_^ That must sting.
    Don't flatter yourself. At present immigration is largely indiscriminate. How many more bombers will we allow in this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Timothy McVeigh was home bred pro-militia pro-gun right wing anti-government terror. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.
    Somewhere in this forum, I made a thread about Timothy McVeigh. Except for the one thing, he was "the perfect Republican" and unquestionably presidential material.

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    Re: Boston Bomber May Never Be Questioned

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It was not me. And the thread is about an immigrant.
    This thread is about an American Terrorist who probably speaks better English than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    This thread is about an American Terrorist who probably speaks better English than you.
    Two immigrants bomb, kill and injure hundreds, but liberals don't want any discussion of immigrants. It is the proverbial 800 pound gorillas the room. Next you will tell us it is politically incorrect to speak of bombs.

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    The proverbial 800 pound gorilla in this room is where you immigrated from.

    Do you hate immigrants because of some kind of insecurity complex? Is it paranoia? Because i gotta say, you are completely irrational and pretty racist about the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Remember that it took a full ten years to bring the first bombers if the Twin Towers to sentence, and then they only gave them life in prison where they can train more terrorists.
    There are probably ways to protect against any threat of “training.”

    Since the September 11 attacks, the 45-year-old Pakistani national has been in solitary confinement in a 7-foot-by-11-foot cell at the federal ADX supermax prison in Colorado, known as 'the Alcatraz of the Rockies.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    2. How many generations back do we need to go for one to be "ethnically" American?
    I’m not sure there is a standard definition for “ethnic American.”

    American ethnicity may refer to optional self-identification of persons in the U.S. Census data. Declaring "American" ancestry is most common among Southerners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Don't flatter yourself. At present immigration is largely indiscriminate. How many more bombers will we allow in this year?
    I said by YOUR definition, sugar. Not by present standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Two immigrants bomb, kill and injure hundreds, but liberals don't want any discussion of immigrants. It is the proverbial 800 pound gorillas the room. Next you will tell us it is politically incorrect to speak of bombs.
    Two AMERICANS bomb, kill and injure hundreds. Those are not immigrants, they are Americans. What they were before is irrelevant, just like what you were before immigrating here. There is NO grace period for "kinda American, but not really". You have an American citizenship, you are just as American as ANY other American. Sorry if that bursts a bubble of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I’m not sure there is a standard definition for “ethnic American.”
    Oh, I'm well aware there isn't one. It's just that other users here are desperate to paint an American terrorist as non-American and pull fake "standards" out of their ass to achieve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I’m not sure there is a standard definition for “ethnic American.”
    that's very odd I've never heard anyone I grew up with declare their ancestry as "American"
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I’m not sure there is a standard definition for “ethnic American.”
    Nevertheless, there is an American ethnicity and culture. If not we would be the only people in the world without an ethnicity. The better view it that it depends on how well one is assimilated into the majority culture. People from the world wide English-speaking culture may do it in a generation or less. For others, at least three, typically. The first generation usually wants to keep its old ways and culture, often do not want to be part of our culture. The second generation typically is caught between two worlds. They know the old language and the new, the old ways and the new. A generation or two ago, assimilation was the ideal. E Pluribus Unum From many one.But then the liberals for political reasons, decided that the goal should be multiculturalism, diversity, and divisiveness. The liberals hate the idea that there is an American people, culture, ethnicity, but we are here, nevertheless.
    The Tsarvaevs are more like the second generation. They know both cultures, but they hate the American, at least insofar as it is impacted by religion. The clues are his statement that he keeps his shirt on so as not to excite the women because he is religious. And his statement that we have no values, etc. He believes the old religion and culture are best and resents what he sees here. Most immigrant families go thru a period of resentment and envy before becoming assimilated.
    Last edited by Benvolio; April 23rd, 2013 at 05:36 AM.

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    Those evil liberals! They don't even believe in Jebus!!! And they acknowledge that in a country of 300+ million, there is more than one (white, Christian, Puritan) culture. The temerity of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Those evil liberals! They don't even believe in Jebus!!! And they acknowledge that in a country of 300+ million, there is more than one (white, Christian, Puritan) culture. The temerity of them.
    I was going to reply to Benny's ridiculousness, but why bother. My posts disappear here so quickly. Just let him spout off with his anti-immigration and anti-liberal bias so the world can see just now crazy the right wing is. He's not doing them any favors carrying on like this.

    Okay, post disappear..... 10, 9, 8, 7, 6........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Those evil liberals! They don't even believe in Jebus!!! And they acknowledge that in a country of 300+ million, there is more than one (white, Christian, Puritan) culture. The temerity of them.
    More accurately, there is a large traditional assimilated America culture, an African- American sub culture, a Hispanic American sub culture, a Jewish American sub culture and others. Immigrants bring with them, their own culture, outside the American culture and sub cultures.
    Last edited by Benvolio; April 23rd, 2013 at 08:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    More accurately, there is a large traditional assimilated America culture, an African- American sub culture, a Hispanic American sub culture, a Jewish American sub culture and others. Immigrants bring with them, their own culture, outside the American culture and sub cultures.
    And that's bad because...?
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    Re: Boston Bomber May Never Be Questioned

    Ok Ben Pay attention!


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    It is generally not bad, unless they fail to assimilate. A unified country is better than a divided, divisive, one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It is generally not bad, unless they fail to assimilate. A unified country is better than a divided, divisive, one.
    The only division comes from people who hate foreigners and want to exclude them in any way possible. The rest of us live normal lives, influencing and being influenced by the culture around us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It is generally not bad, unless they fail to assimilate. A unified country is better than a divided, divisive, one.
    They are free to assimilate. Also, they are free not to assimilate. In either case, they do not require your approval.

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    This is the cornerstone of our republic...whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    They are free to assimilate. Also, they are free not to assimilate. In either case, they do not require your approval.
    When my Grandparents immigrated to Minnesota from Norway, they never learned English. They spoke Norwegian in the home. They brought with them Norwegian food, customs and culture. Family reunions were filled with aunts, uncles and cousins speaking Norwegian and eating Sandbakelse, lutefisk, krumkakke. I grew up eating Smørbrød, torsk, Kjøttboller.

    Benny, what's so wrong with that? Too bad you're so prejudiced you can't deal with cultures other than your own.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    With hindsight it clearly was a mistake to give the younger immigrant citizenship, but Homeland Security was intentionaly dragging its feet on the older one. He was not a citizen.
    Ah, fascism. <sigh>

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    that's very odd I've never heard anyone I grew up with declare their ancestry as "American"
    I've declared mine as human".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Here is a one man's attempt to define American Culture or ethnicity. No it is not 100%. Not everyone shares all of these and people in other cultures share some. http://www.zompist.com/amercult.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It is generally not bad, unless they fail to assimilate. A unified country is better than a divided, divisive, one.
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    They are free to assimilate. Also, they are free not to assimilate. In either case, they do not require your approval.
    Here's what drives benvolio crazy: liberty. Call it freedom, call it individual sovereignty, call it self-ownership; all the same, benvolio hates it. He really can't stand that some people might want to come to this country and not be like him, and he insists that the government should use its coercive power to shape conformity. He thinks that being an American means being property, the property of those who set the ideological definition of "American".

    That's a subculture we've had all along. Somehow, I doubt the Founding Fathers would find it American.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Here is a one man's attempt to define American Culture or ethnicity. No it is not 100%. Not everyone shares all of these and people in other cultures share some. http://www.zompist.com/amercult.html
    He got me laughing...

    You expect the politicians of both parties to be responsive to business, strong on defense, and concerned with the middle class

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Nevertheless, there is an American ethnicity and culture. If not we would be the only people in the world without an ethnicity. The better view [is] that it depends on how well one is assimilated into the majority culture.
    Perhaps Native Americans can be described as having American ethnicity, but all the people who came after them are limited to a claim of American nationality. And for that matter, why is a country limited to a single ethnicity? On the other hand; assuming the ideal is assimilation into the majority, it seems also reasonable to assume that whichever distinguishable group is most successful at increasing their numbers will determine the nation’s default ethnicity at any given point in time. That doesn’t seem particularly rational.

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    … liberals for political reasons, decided that the goal should be multiculturalism, diversity, and divisiveness.
    When did Liberals make that decision? Was it unanimous or was it based upon a consensus derived from the opinion of a majority of Liberals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Most immigrant families go thru a period of resentment and envy before becoming assimilated.
    A search of “immigrant resentment,” suggests that resentment is more likely to come from persons already present in the country, rather than those immigrating. However, I am uncertain as to the period in time to which your statement is intended to apply.

    As immigration from Europe increased in the early 1800s, citizens who had been born in the United States began to feel resentment at the new arrivals. Those opposed to immigrants became known as nativists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    More accurately, there is a large traditional assimilated America culture, an African- American sub culture, a Hispanic American sub culture, a Jewish American sub culture and others. Immigrants bring with them, their own culture, outside the American culture and sub cultures.
    And that's bad because...?
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It is generally not bad, unless they fail to assimilate. A unified country is better than a divided, divisive, one.

    Full assimilation occurs when new members of a society become indistinguishable from members of the other group. [Wiki]


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    it's fun to jump on Ben isn't it ?

    but i think he has a good point about immigrants today vs. prior

    assimilating is a great thing - it doesn't mean losing your heritage - it means embracing your new home

    speaking english is a good thing if you live in the US

    so keep jumping on the pile with PC bullshit

    but ..........

    it's just bullshit

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    In these days where manufacturing and other laboring jobs are just not available, we need skilled immigrants as well as educated ones...in the old days we had time for the generations to Americanize, people could still find work. It's more important than ever that immigrants are immersed into the common language and don't merely cling to their own traditions... communities isolated by their native culture alone these days is a recipe for economic hardship and disaster. While it's great to know more than one language, and learning others should be a part of our curriculum the commonality of communicating in English is essential... diversity means nothing without some kind of uniting element in our culture. E pluribus unum, out of many, one....not America as the Tower Of Babel.
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    I guess I've assimilated the hell out of myself. Being Native American, Blackfeet/Apache, I have had to assimilate the rest of my ancestors. Scotch, Irish, Canadian, French and African American. I wonder how I've done it so well. Maybe I need to be divisive more with my........ Well, Hell, how would I do that? Maybe you can teach me, Ben, just how I am supposed to do that.
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    Perhaps Native Americans can be described as having American ethnicity, but all the people who came after them are limited to a claim of American nationality. And for that matter, why is a country limited to a single ethnicity? On the other hand; assuming the ideal is assimilation into the majority, it seems also reasonable to assume that whichever distinguishable group is most successful at increasing their numbers will determine the nation’s default ethnicity at any given point in time. That doesn’t seem particularly rational.



    When did Liberals make that decision? Was it unanimous or was it based upon a consensus derived from the opinion of a majority of Liberals?



    A search of “immigrant resentment,” suggests that resentment is more likely to come from persons already present in the country, rather than those immigrating. However, I am uncertain as to the period in time to which your statement is intended to apply.








    One of the benefits America has had that it began with an English speaking culture. The English were the first to develop a form of democracy in modern times, and the English settlers brought it with them. By the time of the Revolution all 13 colonies had written constitutions, and after July 4, 1776 merely amended them to eliminate the appointed governor. The English were the first to develop the Industrial Revolution, and the US quickly followed.
    World wide, the English culture has been one of the most successful, stable , innovative cultures in history. Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, US and, yes, Ireland have had stable democracies and good, free enterprise, economies.
    In the past this was our default culture, with a philosophy of assimilation. Immigrants lost their own languages after a generation or two, but keeping some aspects of culture such as food, etc. People of various backgrounds, inter married and today, anyone with an English, Irish, German etc name is likely to have ancestors from other countries. At the time of WWII, we were a strong, largely united people, proud of our country, the strongest most productive, inventive in history.

    But, alas, immigrants tended to vote Democrat out of resentment, envy and in response to pandering. After a generation or so, they assimilated and no longer voted like immigrants. So, in the 60s the Democrats eliminated the old quota system of immigration which insured a largely European inflow, likely to assimilate. The party adopted an ideology that multiculturalism and diversity--not assimilation was good. Now, the immigration laws give a preference to groups most different from ours. This is from Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_Immigrant_Visa
    Of course, Americans have often resented immigrants but immigrants have resented Americans, even as they took the benefits of the culture.
    The liberals on this forum should demonstrate the change, opinterph. They brush aside my discussion of an American culture or ethnicity.
    But here is the real problem. The immigrants come here because their old culture failed them. It could not produce the innovations, freedom and stability necessary for a modern economy. But they want to retain those cultures and resent the American culture, people, and economy and vote to destroy our people and institutions. We are losing the unity which a good economy and democracy need.
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    The English were the first to develop a form of democracy in modern times, and the English settlers brought it with them.
    Iceland has the world's oldest democratic parliament, predating the UK's Commons by three centuries.

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