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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    ^^^

    The deadliest industrial accident in U.S. history involved the same chemical and was also in Texas.

    What did George Santayana say?
    I had an aunt living in the next door town, LaMarque. I have been there to see the anchors of the ship. 1 hurled 1.62 miles and the other 1/2 mile.
    Thanks for the wiki link. That was, indeed, a terrible disaster.
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    Am I the only one who's picked up on the irony that 4 Americans and countless others were either killed or wounded in Boston, but that 14 more died, and more than 200 injured were also murdered this week?

    From my perspective it seems that more than half of America just can't wait to give over their civil liberties, and give more power and authority to our Government to "protect them from future attacks," while remaining silent and indifferent to the deaths of fellow Americans who are just as patriotic, to Corporate Greed, and legislation that advocates for LESS GOVERNMENT.

    Am I the only one who finds some irony in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Am I the only one who's picked up on the irony that 4 Americans and countless others were either killed or wounded in Boston, but that 14 more died, and more than 200 injured were also murdered this week?

    From my perspective it seems that more than half of America just can't wait to give over their civil liberties, and give more power and authority to our Government to "protect them from future attacks," while remaining silent and indifferent to the deaths of fellow Americans who are just as patriotic, to Corporate Greed, and legislation that advocates for LESS GOVERNMENT.

    Am I the only one who finds some irony in that?
    It's not irony you find. It's good old American ignorance.

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    Until we the people decide we have had enough, there will be no change. Some will become political but I imagine most of the folks in West will go back to struggling to survive. Then when a smooth talking guy comes along and tells them all their troubles are from immigrants and democrats , well then they will believe.

    Mayflower oil spill will be the same way. For ten thousand dollar pay offs these people will forget they ever had a issue. Even if the families win a five million dollar lawsuit, the company will shrug off paying that amount. Talk and support of Keystone is down in light of Mayflower but as the blink of an eye american conscious forgets then the same players with the same cash will be back on the airwaves and talk shows lobbying public opinion and thwarting any change in legislation.

    Pretty fucking sad but it is exactly what it is. And you know what? it has been like this for a long time. Just those of us that might care now have access to thousands of stories across the nation that tell the tale. The vast majority just wanna know who the next idol is going to be.
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    This should be really simple: if the safety systems were more than ten years out of date, and if there was no backup supply of water hooked to an automatic sprinkler system, then convictions for manslaughter should be automatic for everyone who had responsibility for safety there, and the company should fork over a $1mn life insurance policy for each person killed and a $500k trust fund for each surviving child -- besides being required to purchase new land on the other side of the town and then rebuild every destroyed structure.

    For good measure, toss in $25k for pain and suffering for every surviving person in the county, plus any other nearby friends of those killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Am I the only one who's picked up on the irony that 4 Americans and countless others were either killed or wounded in Boston, but that 14 more died, and more than 200 injured were also murdered this week?

    From my perspective it seems that more than half of America just can't wait to give over their civil liberties, and give more power and authority to our Government to "protect them from future attacks," while remaining silent and indifferent to the deaths of fellow Americans who are just as patriotic, to Corporate Greed, and legislation that advocates for LESS GOVERNMENT.

    Am I the only one who finds some irony in that?
    Yes sir. Martial Law was quietly and effectively enforced in Boston without a peep residents and the press. I'm sure the reaction was noticed by government officials .. look for it to be used again in the near future.

    Meanwhile many people still haven't heard about the tragedy in Texas.

    I think a major part of the reason is that the media is so close and comfortable in NYC and the east coast and they don't understand and can't relate to 'flyover' people.

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    Here's a bunch of photos from the explosion. Bad destruction.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...near-Waco.html

    Aerial photos reveals devastation in Texas: Death toll in fertiliser plant blast rises to 14 as rescuers hunt for more bodies in rubble of small town

    Authorities have confirmed that 11 firefighters and medics were killed last night in the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas - though at least three more people are feared dead as rescuers search the rubble for bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    This should be really simple: if the safety systems were more than ten years out of date, and if there was no backup supply of water hooked to an automatic sprinkler system, then convictions for manslaughter should be automatic for everyone who had responsibility for safety there, and the company should fork over a $1mn life insurance policy for each person killed and a $500k trust fund for each surviving child -- besides being required to purchase new land on the other side of the town and then rebuild every destroyed structure.

    For good measure, toss in $25k for pain and suffering for every surviving person in the county, plus any other nearby friends of those killed.
    Just for shits and giggles... do you really think the fertilizer company has fourteen million lying around or if the average is 2.5 children then the additional 14 million to cover the childrens cost?

    not that I am defending them but you might as well say dividing the assets minus the lawyers fee so... each kid gets a dollar and a pat on the head.

    It is a lot less profile than the Boston incident. However, not every news channel is failing to cover it. I saw it on Morning Joe and before Boston heated up with a manhunt upon release of photos from the FBI, Anderson Cooper was there on location in a cheesy carhart jacket, as if.... but he was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    ... Anderson Cooper was there on location in a cheesy carhart jacket, as if.... but he was there.
    Just like I said -- they don't understand the flyover people. Did AC have a can in his back pocket?

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    Well, at least we'll be able to give the good folks at Westboro Baptist Church some Central Texas loving!



    Folks down my way don't take too kindly to assholes using a tragedy to further their message of hate.

    This should be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    well, at least we'll be able to give the good folks at westboro baptist church some central texas loving!

    Folks down my way don't take too kindly to assholes using a tragedy to further their message of hate.

    This should be interesting.
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    Well, give them one of those kisses for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M4P View Post
    shoot the fuckers"
    Traditionally we just "kill them" with kindness.

    As my Great Aunt Em would say, "Poor thangs, bless their hearts!"

    A bunch of Vietnam Veteran Bikers will line up in front of them, and rev their engines to drown out their chants.

    Or the Baylor Police will tell them that the memorial has been moved to a building across campus, and by the time they figure it out, the memorial has already started.

    While their their cars have been "accidently" towed, and they're arrested for loitering on a University Campus.

    ooops!

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    The Memorial is less than two days away, and I still haven't decided if I want to make the trip to attend.

    I've encountered Westboro at Dallas Gay Pride Parades, and they're usually outnumbered 10,000 to one..or two.

    I can't imagine that they'll be anymore welcome on the campus of Baylor University, even though it's a breading ground for closeted future Texas Republican Legislators, Pastors, and High School Gym Teachers.

    Check M4M on Craigslist for the number of adds posted from Waco, and that area each weekend.

    But at least most of those advertisers have all of their teeth, and can spell, and have a rudimentary understanding of the "Bible."



    I'm more concerned about it being a "media circus" (local/state media as I'm sure that Reese Witherspoon might have reconsidered her appearance on Jimmy Kimmel/Fallen by then) than an actual Memorial.
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    I was struck by something in the Westboro ad....

    It says that Gay Marriage would be legalized just before the return of Jesus... don't Christians want that??... don't they wait for the rapture? Should they not encourage it's passing if passing that right is foretold?

    Heck, is Christ gay and wont come back till he can marry Judas? (I know someone out there hates me now)
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    Jayhawk, the rapture is a man-made idea that some evangelicals hold as scriptural -- it's not. Christians do want to go to heaven however there is nothing a Christian can do to 'speed-up' the return of Christ.

    Centex, I would hope that some of your fellow Texans would step up and provide a barrier around the WBC protesters. It's a common practice now for groups to volunteer and drown out the hate by singing songs and using cars and motorcycles to isolate the hate group.

    Don't forget to ask your lawyer to stop using the software and books that financially support the WBC.



    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I was struck by something in the Westboro ad....

    It says that Gay Marriage would be legalized just before the return of Jesus... don't Christians want that??... don't they wait for the rapture? Should they not encourage it's passing if passing that right is foretold?

    Heck, is Christ gay and wont come back till he can marry Judas? (I know someone out there hates me now)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I was struck by something in the Westboro ad....

    It says that Gay Marriage would be legalized just before the return of Jesus... don't Christians want that??... don't they wait for the rapture? Should they not encourage it's passing if passing that right is foretold?

    Heck, is Christ gay and wont come back till he can marry Judas? (I know someone out there hates me now)
    How's this??????????

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    This is exactly the kind of statement I would expect from Perry. He has no interest in protecting the citizens of Texas. He has no decency as quoted from a former Senator, years ago. As an example the state environmental regulators last inspected the plant in 2006. So, of course, any regulation because of that would be too costly. Nevermind what the cost of 15 dead and about 200 injured, 33 still in intensive care.

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2013...ate-oversight/
    Rick Perry: Following West Explosion, “Comfortable” With State Oversight
    By Joyce Arnold on April 23, 2013

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry said he remains comfortable with the level of state oversight of facilities like the fertilizer plant which exploded last week in West, Texas. Fifteen were killed, about 200 were injured, and there was massive structural damage and destruction, especially in the four block area close to the plant.

    Perry’s remarks are of the “prepare not to be shocked” variety.

    According to KWTX,

    The deadly fertilizer plant explosion in West wouldn’t have been prevented had the state earmarked more money for industry inspections, Gov. Rick Perry said Monday.

    Perry told The Associated Press on Monday that he remains comfortable with the level of state oversight after last week’s blast at West Fertilizer Co. …
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    This is a heart warming bit of news:

    West, Texas: the Czech Republic has your back

    Prior to the massive explosion that occurred there last week, West, Texas was primarily known for two things: their delectable kolache pastries and their community of proud Czech descendants. Not only are three-quarters of the town's inhabitants of Czech descent, the town of about 2,800 people is known as the "Czech Heritage Capital of Texas." It looks as though that cultural pride is a two way street, as the Czech Republic plans to donate money to the small community to help them rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Well, give them one of those kisses for me!
    McLennan County Sheriff gives stern warning to Westboro Baptist

    "Any attempt by any group or organization to disrupt the funerals of any of our victims in this tragedy will be dealt with swiftly and prosecuted to the full extent of the law," McNamara said.
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    The National Fallen Firefighters Foundation will be streaming the Memorial Service live tomorrow at 2:00pm Central Time from Waco, Texas:

    http://firehero.org/westtexas/

    There's some talk that President Obama, and First Lady Michelle will attend since they'll be in Dallas the same day for the dedication of Bush43's Presidential Library.

    There's going to be a lot going on tomorrow.
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    CenTex, the first thing and arguably the only thing you should have gotten in reply to this post was that thoughts and prayers were going out to you, your family, and friends. This was a great tragedy, and instead of jumping to point fingers, the response should have been to embrace you and show support. There will be plenty of time to point fingers and debate. I cannot believe how callous some of the comments on this thread are. Men and Women lost their lives. Men and Women who were trying to protect their community. I know volunteer firefighters, they are the ones who put everyone else's safety before their own. They are the ones getting you out of the situation, holding the door open, and suffering smoke inhalation to make sure that everyone else gets out. If those men and women knew the dangers, they would have still been there, trying to prevent those temperatures, for as long as possible, hoping that they cold prevent disaster for as long as possible so that as many people as possible could be evacuated. I will venture that those firefighters may well have known the risk they were taking, and they were still there, trying their best to protect their community.

    Every resident of West should be in our thoughts and prayers, I see no reason, why this post should have been the first one that expressed thoughts and prayers to one of our own who was affected by this tragedy. In his first post, Centex told that he knows people who were affected by this tragedy. I will tell you that from his comments, I believe that he himself has lost friends and loved ones in this. I do not believe that he would be wrestling with the decision of whether or not he was going to the memorial if it was not a personal loss.

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    Ergo saying something fucked up that someone would never have the lack of humanity to say to the face of someone who is experiencing such a loss is ok.

    Instead of clutching pearls we are happy to cower behind keyboards sounding tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    CenTex, the first thing and arguably the only thing you should have gotten in reply to this post was that thoughts and prayers were going out to you, your family, and friends. This was a great tragedy, and instead of jumping to point fingers, the response should have been to embrace you and show support. There will be plenty of time to point fingers and debate. I cannot believe how callous some of the comments on this thread are. Men and Women lost their lives. Men and Women who were trying to protect their community. I know volunteer firefighters, they are the ones who put everyone else's safety before their own. They are the ones getting you out of the situation, holding the door open, and suffering smoke inhalation to make sure that everyone else gets out. If those men and women knew the dangers, they would have still been there, trying to prevent those temperatures, for as long as possible, hoping that they cold prevent disaster for as long as possible so that as many people as possible could be evacuated. I will venture that those firefighters may well have known the risk they were taking, and they were still there, trying their best to protect their community.

    Every resident of West should be in our thoughts and prayers, I see no reason, why this post should have been the first one that expressed thoughts and prayers to one of our own who was affected by this tragedy. In his first post, Centex told that he knows people who were affected by this tragedy. I will tell you that from his comments, I believe that he himself has lost friends and loved ones in this. I do not believe that he would be wrestling with the decision of whether or not he was going to the memorial if it was not a personal loss.
    Bravo. Root cause can come after we bury the dead....at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    McLennan County Sheriff gives stern warning to Westboro Baptist



    They're about to get a nice Central Texas Welcome.
    Some sheriffs are great. This one looks like it too!
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    cm98059. I went back over the beginning of this thread and saw quite a few posters showing support to Centex and thoughts and prayers to him and others affected by this disaster.
    Otherwise I agree with you wholeheartedly on volunteer firefighters. I had a partner in Houston who was a firefighter and know just how the firefighter will automatically go into the fire knowing what could happen. I had personal friendships with other firefighters in Houston, also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    This is a heart warming bit of news:

    West, Texas: the Czech Republic has your back



    Yeah, that's cool. Texas has all these little European cities strewn about. It's always good to see them come alive in a disaster.
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    I went to that streaming site to see if they had any stories for after the stream. I ran across this pic. Moving.


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    While over at that streaming site I found this. Like my petitions I plan on donating too.


    http://www.regonline.com/builder/sit...ventID=1229033
    In light of the tragic event in West, Texas on Wednesday and in cooperation with local support efforts, the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation has established a national fund to accept monetary donations to assist the survivors and coworkers of the fire and EMS personnel who died in the line of duty.
    - - - Updated - - -

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    While over at that streaming site I found this. Like my petitions I plan on donating too.


    http://www.regonline.com/builder/sit...ventID=1229033
    Well this link don't work! Will have to find it again.

    Let's try this one.

    http://firehero.org/news/2013/westtx_041913.html
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    Re above: You have to scroll down a bit. See here:

    More West, TX News:
    » Thousands to Honor Fallen Firefighters from West, Texas
    » Watch: Join Fire Service Members Nationwide to Honor the Fallen from West, Texas
    » West, Texas Firefighter and EMS Fallen Hero Fund
    » Firefighters Reach Out to Small Texas Town
    » Help for Texas town pours in from around the county

    It'll be the 3rd link above. West, Texas Firefighter and EMS Fallen Hero Fund.

    http://firehero.org/news/2013/westtx_041913.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer
    I'm expecting an overflow crowd.

    Not sure if I'm going to attend or not.
    I chose not to attend.

    I had already made plans with friends to go to Austin this past weekend.

    We drove through West and the whole north end of town was still blocked off, and they were only allowing those with the address on their driver's license who lived within the blast zone past the security points.

    Bush43 dedicated his Library up in Dallas, and President Obama, and first Lady Michele were able to be in attendance in Waco on the same day at the Memorial at Baylor University in Waco last Thursday.

    From friends and family that I've been in contact with who attended, it was a beautiful memorial.

    There was no politics, protestors were there, but none were seen be the grieving families.

    Everything went off the way that I had hoped and prayed that they would; by honoring the dead, and by honoring each other as members of the Central Texas Communities that were directly touched by this tragedy.

    No RED, No BLUE, no Republican, no Democrat, but as Americans.

    For me personally, it was poignant.

    And while everyone else moves along to Tim Tebow, and what's perceived to be insensitive Twitter posts toward Gays in professional sports, and Obama's Department of Justice continues to make it's case against those "involved" in the Boston bombings, I'm going to be focusing on what happened in West, Texas and why.

    And I'm going to come back to this thread and share what I've found, and hope that others of you will too.
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    Thanks, I had planned to bump this back to the top so more people would see the Fund for the Firefighters.
    Your post above was great, I'm glad the assholes didn't interrupt the memorial and it went smoothly. Sorry you didn't get the chance to go. I'm sure you would have loved it.
    Here is the link to the Fund. I don't know why I made anyone go to the site then click on the 3rd link. I should have posted the link directly to the Fund. Which I'll do forthwith.
    http://firehero.org/news/2013/westtx_041913.html
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    ^ White Eagle, Thank you for posting the link to the firefighter's memorial fund. I hope that the moneys raised will help the victim's families move forward after this terrible loss.

    Too many people are unaware of the sacrifices that volunteer firefighters and their families make every day. Many small towns and rural areas do not have the money to staff a fire department with full time paid staff. In these areas, if it were not for volunteer fire fighters, some areas would have a 20 minute response time for fire protection. Volunteer firefighters work a full time job and respond to fire calls over and above their regular job. Sometimes volunteers have to leave their paid jobs to respond to a fire. They attend department meetings on their own time. They respond when a fire call comes in in the middle of dinner. The call out pay is nothing. When I was working with volunteers, they received $35.00 for responding to a fire call. They do not ignore the page because there has been a rash of false alarms by kids pulling fire alarms, even though they know full well that if it is a false alarm they have lost $75.00 in wages from their regular job, because if they don't go and it is an actual fire, it would hurt their community. They willingly put themselves in harms way, because it is their community. It is their family. It is their way of life. They do it because they believe they have something that they can give back to their community. They do it because they believe it is the right thing to do. They do it because they believe the words of John F Kennedy when he said "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Folk who live in rural areas do not say "they should not have been living next to that (fertilizer plant, plywood plant, oil refinery, or any other building that should never explode but sometimes do)". You pick up the pieces, paint your lips and keep them shut. And you move forward as best as you can.

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    Right on! Bravo! Thank you.
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    Catastrophes have a habit of revealing the best in the human condition.

    No divisiveness just people sharing in a common cause assisting one another.

    With thanks, to centexfarmer for sharing his thoughts.

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    ^^Yeah, we can always thank Centex for bringing the correct version of things.

    I guess I need to add one of these
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    ^^Yeah, we can always thank Centex for bringing the correct version of things.

    I guess I need to add one of these
    I don't know about that.

    I do know that because my home is within 20 minutes of West, and that it is an extremely rural area between Dallas/Ft Worth and Austin, Texas, we tend to take care of our own here.

    Even though I spend my week working in Dallas, I find myself touched by this tragedy in ways that I never imagined.

    My nephew lost two of his classmates in a class of less than 100, who were two of the ten volunteers who dropped everything that they were doing to try to get that fire under control.

    They didn't have time to evacuate anyone, their focus was to try to prevent the explosion.

    And while State and Federal Investigators continue to sort things out, and the Texas Legislature has began asking questions, there's the emotional aftermath that many are dealing with right now:

    West explosion's first responders need rescuers too, counselors say

    Unlike heavily populated urban areas, where you may never see the same face twice, I know these people.

    I saw them when I worked in Management at the only Walmart in the area, at local street festivals, and car shows.

    I dined with them at the local hole in the wall BBQ joints and Czech eateries, rubbed elbows with them while standing in line at the local bakery to buy Kolaches.

    My niece worked at the Nursing Home behind the Apartments, which took the brunt of the blast, but still forced the roof to collapse burying the elderly, and sick underneath sheet rock, and fiberglass insulation.

    I find myself choking back tears wanting to embrace everyone of those "strangers," and feeling the humanity that we share collectively as a community.

    It still hurts, but it's nothing in comparison to those who faced the full impact of it.
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    I sent my PM before I read your comments. Your comments are right on in both counts.
    But this post ^^ was hard to read.
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    No no, leave it alone. It's just fine the way it is, re comment!
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    Unfortunately, I followed every word that Cen Tex wrote. There were people lost in that blast that he had real connections to. His nephew's friends. People he knew from his position at work, some of these victims could have worked at the same store as him. Neighbors, friends of neighbors, friends of family. It hurts to see people that you have interacted with are gone. I hope that I speak for many when I say that our thoughts and prayers still go out to you and the residents of West and the surrounding area, the victims of this tragedy still need our thoughts and prayers. The victims of this tragedy were not just those who were lost in the explosion and fire, the victims are their families, friends, co-workers, students, Teachers, and every living creature affected by this tragedy.

    I also effects the First Responder community. The men and women that pride themselves on trying to help others now need help for themselves, they are wounded, wounds that you cannot see. These types of wounds take the highest toll. These wounds take the longest to heal. Like the first responder in the interview, who assumed the radio position realizing that all his superior officers were not coming out of that building. Knowing tat no one was coming out of that building. Brothers, and in that instant, they all were gone. He wasn't on that Fire Call. He and his wife were trying to evacuate people knowing that the fumes from the fire would harm people. His wife, a nurse immediately started helping victims and he returned to the scene of the explosion in hopes of helping survivors there, unfortunately, there were none to help.

    Many people are still dealing with this event, including Cen Tex. A few weeks does not heal an event like this, it takes a lot of time for these wounds to heal.

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    I just hate having to post this. It looks to me that if House Bill 1714 is passed it ends a program at the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) to inform the public as to which companies doing business in Texas do not have good environmental compliance records.
    So little time has passed from the disaster to when the GOP makes a bill like this. Texans HAVE to get the GOP out of Texas!
    Yes, chance1, this is a petition that I signed. Here is the link if you want to sign it.
    http://tlcv.e-actionmax.com/takeaction.asp?aaid=1624

    http://www.tlcv.org/news/
    Action Alert: Oppose House Bill 1714 by Wayne Smith

    House Bill 1714 by Wayne Smith ends a program at the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) to inform the public as to which companies doing business in Texas do not have good environmental compliance records. The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality has for the last decade provided “compliance history” regulations that generate a score for each regulated facility in the state based generally on the number and severity of violations the facilities have faced through environmental enforcement actions. TCEQ uses these scores as a public “report card” for regulated entities, as well as in decisions regarding the issuance, renewal, amendment, modification, denial, suspension or revocation of permits, enforcement, the use of announced inspections, and participation in innovative or voluntary programs.
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    ^ I signed.

    Some cities up in Dallas require that the last "health inspection" be posted in the window of local restaurants, so that those who are considering eating there will know what their risks are.

    TCEQ makes the information about these "fertilizer plants" open for public record, and this bill seeks to abolish that.

    WTF?

    And the GOP Controlled Texas Legislature, Governor, and their appointees, rather than showing any form of "leadership" on this issue just keep "passing the buck."

    What others say: Buck-passing in Texas

    Officials have yet to answer a lot of questions about the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas, but one answer — "It wasn't my job" — consistently emerges when local, state and federal officials are asked how their agencies might have intervened to prevent the disaster.
    Seems like it wasn't anyone's job to keep an eye on this, and further more one GOP Legislature wants to make it impossible for those living near these plants, and insurance companies from knowing any liabilities that they themselves are exposed to from even knowing the dangers.

    Who's being protected from potential harm here?
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    There didn't seem to be any compliance with existing law in the case of West. So, how will repealing an unenforced regulation make the situation worse?

    Just asking,,,,

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    I took a break from the thread because of online convos and PMs. Tough going for too many people. Well I came back and reread cm98059 post ^^ and realized I don't think I ever told Centex that my thoughts and prayers are with him and the people of West. So now that is what I say.
    This is gonna take forever to get over and it will be brought back to us come election day and no telling when it will hit again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    There didn't seem to be any compliance with existing law in the case of West. So, how will repealing an unenforced regulation make the situation worse?

    Just asking,,,,
    It seems kind of Queer that, in light of the unenforceable "regulation" that already seems to be on the books, that a Texas GOP Legislator wants to NOW make it more difficult for those living near 144 other identifiable "fertilizer plants" throughout Texas to know just HOW dangerous it is to live 'next too' one of them.

    And not just those owning property where Apartment Complexes, or Nursing Homes, or Schools are built, but also from the very Insurance Companies who do business within Texas to know what types of liabilities that they're against.

    I want to find out where this GOP Texas Legislator lives and make sure that he doesn't get re-elected as dog catcher within his own town.
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    GOP Texas House of Representatives Wayne Smith, Baytown, Texas.

    Google Baytown, Texas.

    You can bet your sweet ass that Rep. Smith has a financial contributor in Baytown, Texas that doesn't want his 'neighbors' to know how dangerous it is to live near his "job creating" fertilizer plant/storage facility.

    And this is how the GOP Controlled Texas Legislators responds after hours of committee hearings, and public testimony over the past couple of weeks, and was personally present for, for a couple of hours; 'it's okay to pass the buck.'

    P A T H E T I C.

    It doesn't matter.

    The people of West will re elect Bill Flores, even though he felt it more important to make a trip to Afghanistan the week of the explosion, instead of calling on Obama for Federal Assistance, so that he can blame Obama for what happened to them.

    Cynical?

    Not me.

    Most of the Republicans that I personally know, and who are my neighbors have told me, "The only reason we keep voting for most of them for public office, is so that we know where the sons-of-bitches are at all times."



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    ^^Looking at Flores' link you gave us makes me think he is GOP. He is for Keystone and appears to be against Obama.
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    I signed the petition too. Maybe some legislator will see a Washington address and consider that the actions of the house are seen outside the state, and may consider how this looks to others. We can only hope.

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    @ CenTex & White Eagle:

    Something is amiss with this bill. If the house blocks these inspection records from being available to Insurance companies wouldn't the insurance companies want their own inspections? Insurance companies are for profit corporations in the United States. Historically, Insurance companies want to limit their exposure to Liability. Wouldn't the insurance companies want more stringent safeguards that further reduce their liability? Wouldn't the lack of these safeguards increase the premium the insurance companies charge for coverage, and wouldn't that charge be passed on to consumers, raising the cost of fertilizer and ultimately raising the cost of the crops produced? I see where this would adversely affect farmers and consumers. I have to wonder if this bill would put some farmers who are on the verge of bankruptcy out of business.

    So, who is going to headline Willy's next Farm Aid tour... Something isn't right in Austin. I don't have a good feeling about this.

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