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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was a thread on CEP blaming the Tea Party and several columnists wanted the perpetrators to be 'white' -- seems like you and other lib's here are the ones building conspiracy theories.
    Show me where I did that.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There was a thread on CEP blaming the Tea Party and several columnists wanted the perpetrators to be 'white' -- seems like you and other lib's here are the ones building conspiracy theories.
    Once again....HuH?????

    Somehow you think that there is a conspiracy here? Because two people went to the same school?

    I think in the real world...that is called coincidence.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Yeah, I don't see what bloodlust is going to get any of us. Take away his rights and you fuck the rest of us - kill him - legally, a better case can be made for that but it still doesn't do anything to change anything. It won't stop anyone else which is the primary justification for execution.

    On the other hand IF THERE WERE A WAY (notice Jack, I don't want you flying off into conspiracies) to make some use of his life, a way for him to at least try and make some reparation.....

    "...BUT BUT BUT BUT NOTHING CAN BE DONE!!!!!!!!!..."

    Nothing can be done about the crime no matter what you do to him. Killing him won't undo it, locking him up won't undo it, pissing on the Constitution won't undo it.

    The biggest issue is what now. Do we throw away what we all say we believe in? Even if you think he should be executed, are people really willing to throw out the rule of law to achieve that conclusion?

    If you say yes, you are less American than this guy.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Lorea View Post
    Me too! Massachusetts does not have the death penalty, right? It would be great if this teenager could live to be a hundred behind bars. Imagine if there was someone doing time for a terrorist attack during the Herbert Hoover administration (1929-1933). That would be a great deterrent to a lot of potential terrorists and murderers. Not to all of them of course. But it has a bigger psychological effect than a Wikipedia article on a 1937 execution.
    The feds have the death penalty. So MA law does not matter.

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    Of course, I have to agree with you on this. This cutie is gonna have fun in prison with Bubba as a roomy.
    I think not. Inmates like him are kept separate from gen pop because a lifer would want the cred of killing this fucking terrorist shit head. In protective, just like on death row, you get a single cell and generally one hour out a day.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The feds have the death penalty. So MA law does not matter.



    I think not. Inmates like him are kept separate from gen pop because a lifer would want the cred of killing this fucking terrorist shit head. In protective, just like on death row, you get a single cell and generally one hour out a day.
    Good enough. He would have probably had too much fun.
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    He is cute enough to have a big hairy husband to protect him.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The feds have the death penalty. So MA law does not matter.
    Forgive me my ignorance on this, but when is a crime in one state suddenly federal? Is it because it is terrorism rather than, say, serial killing like the snipers in MD/VA/DC ten years ago? And who gets to decide which is which?
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Lorea View Post
    Forgive me my ignorance on this, but when is a crime in one state suddenly federal? Is it because it is terrorism rather than, say, serial killing like the snipers in MD/VA/DC ten years ago? And who gets to decide which is which?
    He used a weapon of mass destruction, which makes it Federal. Federal charges generally take precedence.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Lorea View Post
    Forgive me my ignorance on this, but when is a crime in one state suddenly federal? Is it because it is terrorism rather than, say, serial killing like the snipers in MD/VA/DC ten years ago? And who gets to decide which is which?
    When a crime involves terror or a weapon of mass destruction such as a bomb then the US Attorney General makes the decision. Use of a WMD is defined as a federal offense. IF the Feds do not assume their role then it is left to the states to do so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    He is cute enough to have a big hairy husband to protect him.
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    WOW. You concede that I had the moral high ground before that. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    When a crime involves terror or a weapon of mass destruction such as a bomb then the US Attorney General makes the decision. Use of a WMD is defined as a federal offense. IF the Feds do not assume their role then it is left to the states to do so.
    I see. Does that mean that killing fifty people with a machine gun is within the remit of the state, and killing one person with a bomb that could have blown up a whole house is federal? I had never thought about this before.

    Still, I would rather see him rot in jail for 75 years than executed and forgotten within a decade.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    I suspect the difference is far more political than judicial. For example if you bomb an abortion clinic, I think you'd have a far higher chance at inspiring a federal case than if you bombed a Twinkie warehouse.

    I doubt that just using a bomb automatically means Federal in every instance.

    Silly you - in the US guns don't kill people, so of course can't possibly be considered a "weapon" of mass anything.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I also suspect that it's not so legally cut and dried as all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    WOW. You concede that I had the moral high ground before that. Thank you.
    No I don't. But I know you always sanctimoniously strive for it. I should have said "claims for..."
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Lorea View Post
    I see. Does that mean that killing fifty people with a machine gun is within the remit of the state, and killing one person with a bomb that could have blown up a whole house is federal? I had never thought about this before.

    Still, I would rather see him rot in jail for 75 years than executed and forgotten within a decade.
    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I suspect the difference is far more political than judicial. For example if you bomb an abortion clinic, I think you'd have a far higher chance at inspiring a federal case than if you bombed a Twinkie warehouse.

    I doubt that just using a bomb automatically means Federal in every instance.

    Silly you - in the US guns don't kill people, so of course can't possibly be considered a "weapon" of mass anything.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I also suspect that it's not so legally cut and dried as all that.
    Sorta both of you.... the Justice department determines what they pursue and if it fits the auspices of federal law. Since they are political appointees it often has the lean of politics.

    I for one would be game to consider any shooting that kills more than a set number... say five people... should be a act of terror.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Sorta both of you.... the Justice department determines what they pursue and if it fits the auspices of federal law. Since they are political appointees it often has the lean of politics.
    Thanks for the clarification. This truly amazes me. Few things in America seem so ill-defined as this. I would have expected a lot more healthy debate about it, but I never heard anything on the subject.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    The recrimination hasn't started yet because the Fed hasn't done anything yet. When it does the usual suspects will either be screaming that Obama is Emperor Barack Hussein trodding on the rights of the states or that Obama the apathetic doesn't care enough about real Americans to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Lorea View Post
    Thanks for the clarification. This truly amazes me. Few things in America seem so ill-defined as this. I would have expected a lot more healthy debate about it, but I never heard anything on the subject.
    It is better defined than it seems. When they clash, Federal law preempts the issue. Beyond that, criminal trials are expensive, and state officials sometimes are content to allow the Feds to bear the burden.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    What is the official definition of "weapon of mass destruction" in the US? When I hear/read the term, I think of Hiroshima, or large scale chemical weapons. Are pressure cookers filled with gunpowder weapons of mass destruction? What is the difference between these bombs and big fireworks? The use? What if there is an accident with fireworks and a similar number of people is harmed and killed, are these then also weapons of mass destruction?

    Edit: Sorry, quick look at Wikipedia says this:

    Criminal (Civilian)

    For the purposes of US Criminal law concerning terrorism,[28] weapons of mass destruction are defined as:
    any destructive device defined as any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, mine, or device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses[29]
    any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors
    any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector
    any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life[30]
    I am not sure but it seems the bombs fit this criteria, am I right? Interesting how different this is to the military definition, which is more like my vision of a weapon of mass destruction (basically nuclear, chemical and biological weapons),
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Tengilethos View Post
    What is the official definition of "weapon of mass destruction" in the US? When I hear/read the term, I think of Hiroshima, or large scale chemical weapons. Are pressure cookers filled with gunpowder weapons of mass destruction? What is the difference between these bombs and big fireworks? The use? What if there is an accident with fireworks and a similar number of people is harmed and killed, are these then also weapons of mass destruction?

    Edit: Sorry, quick look at Wikipedia says this:



    I am not sure but it seems the bombs fit this criteria, am I right? Interesting how different this is to the military definition, which is more like my vision of a weapon of mass destruction (basically nuclear, chemical and biological weapons),
    They defined it narrowly so they could imprison those with that intent. Some of these terror plots had the intent but never possessed the item for WMD. But through the investigation the intent to do such was sufficient to convict.

    Consider a married women who conspires to kill her husband with a hired killer. When the hired killer turns out to be an undercover cop and she goes to jail... she never actually perpetrated murder but had the intent.

    A lot of these terrorist are mentally insane (I suppose that goes without saying) but think about the idea that they intended to cause mass harm and confusion and fear. To instill terror.

    To contrast that with a previous point. A man who enters a business and kills fifteen people inside then executes himself. So his intent was to off those people and not really to terrorize the mass public.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    I too find it odd that these crudely made home-made bombs would ever be descibed as 'weapons of mass destruction' - as Tengilethos said I thought they were limited to large-scale chemical and biological and nuclear materials - it was certainly in 2003 what GWB was referring to in the elusive hunt for them in Iraq.

    I have another question which hopefully a JUBber can answer....

    What were the circumstances behind the shooting dead of the police officer? It's passed me by over here, I've not heard it. Were the brothers identified by him, or cornered or something, or how was it that the incident happened?

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I too find it odd that these crudely made home-made bombs would ever be descibed as 'weapons of mass destruction' - as Tengilethos said I thought they were limited to large-scale chemical and biological and nuclear materials - it was certainly in 2003 what GWB was referring to in the elusive hunt for them in Iraq.

    I have another question which hopefully a JUBber can answer....

    What were the circumstances behind the shooting dead of the police officer? It's passed me by over here, I've not heard it. Were the brothers identified by him, or cornered or something, or how was it that the incident happened?
    From what I've heard, it was unprovoked. The police officer didn't even have time to draw his weapon. Hopefully, someone gives you a slightly more complete answer.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Well, crapola! MSNBC just recanted the groin shot. But it was hopeful thinking!
    If only they could bring back drawing and quartering as the death penalty and put it on pay-per-view TV, folks like this would be lining up.

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    ^ and they could tax it too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandalio View Post
    If only they could bring back drawing and quartering as the death penalty and put it on pay-per-view TV, folks like this would be lining up.
    If this is intended for me then you are wrong. The first post was an update to the situation, this post was more of a joke. If he was shot in the groin, then it was karma. The second post was more of a "karma was shot down" if you'll pardon the pun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by altlover85 View Post
    From what I've heard, it was unprovoked. The police officer didn't even have time to draw his weapon. Hopefully, someone gives you a slightly more complete answer.
    I still find that interesting also. Not much in the news. Makes you think they knew the guy. Maybe one had a grudge against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    I still find that interesting also. Not much in the news. Makes you think they knew the guy. Maybe one had a grudge against him.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Rolyo you are so right - there is NO evidence - highly suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Rolyo you are so right - there is NO evidence - highly suspicious.
    It's a Benghazi!!!
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    The picture of the Tamerlan Tsarnaev corpse is graphic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    WHAT ARE THEY NOT TELLING US?!?!!!??!!!!

    ...one wonders.
    It's a conspiracy..... maybe? It makes you wonder. Ya know, there's sumpin goin' on that they're not telling us.

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    No no no no, it's not a conspiracy. It's a "I just find it interesting that..."
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    Now Mommy & Daddy are geared up to talk with Officials and plan on Visiting The States this week. 1 of their Deranged sons is DEAD while the other is in the hospital. Nothing could get them here to see those boys when they were younger but Now a Terrorist Attack and Death has them returning...Those boys raised themselves which is part of the reason why they were so Fucked up in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Now Mommy & Daddy are geared up to talk with Officials and plan on Visiting The States this week. 1 of their Deranged sons is DEAD while the other is in the hospital. Nothing could get them here to see those boys when they were younger but Now a Terrorist Attack and Death has them returning...Those boys raised themselves which is part of the reason why they were so Fucked up in the head.

    I can't wait to READ Mommy & Daddy's book cuz you know that's next...


    Sorry Bostonians but it’s hard to understand a Damn word Mayor Thomas Menino ever says. Last week every time someone said “Do you want to say something Mayor?” I was like oh Hell No. I thought Rev. Jackson was bad but Mayor Menino is giving him a run for his money.
    Ummm... according to everything I have read their parents raised them and their father just went back to the Caucuses recently when it was found out he was terminally ill. He wished to die in the place of his birth. Essentially he got them to adulthood working long hours as a mechanic when he was a lawyer in Chechnya. Then he was persecuted by the Russians for giving legal aid to rebel in their cause to have their country back after a century of conquest and brutality by Russians. We granted political asylum based off that reasoning alone. So i dont know what link you have but I am interested and would love to read someone elses take on their lives.

    And P.S. I can understand the Mayor but you have to be around that accent or be to the UK and it gets easier to grasp. But i agree, he sounded like a drunk uncle at a wedding trying to make a toast.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    How well we remember the Democrats blaming Bush for 9/11. The Russians told the Obama Administration that the immigrant has terrorist links. He made a 6 month trip to Russia; put terrorist stuff on the Internet; was expelled from his mosque for radicalism etc,etc.

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    Point us to anyone who blamed Bush for 911 - We blamed him for the war on the guy who didn't do it.

    Liar liar pants on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Now Mommy & Daddy
    Sorry Bostonians but its hard to understand a Damn word Mayor Thomas Menino ever says. Last week every time someone said Do you want to say something Mayor? I was like oh Hell No. I thought Rev. Jackson was bad but Mayor Menino is giving him a run for his money.
    there's something about elected officials and cops in boston

    it's like they're extreme versions of bostonians

    you might find some on the street like that but not the majority

    it's like they're cartoon characters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    How well we remember the Democrats blaming Bush for 9/11. The Russians told the Obama Administration that the immigrant has terrorist links. He made a 6 month trip to Russia; put terrorist stuff on the Internet; was expelled from his mosque for radicalism etc,etc.
    Apparently not very well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Point us to anyone who blamed Bush for 911 - We blamed him for the war on the guy who didn't do it.

    Liar liar pants on fire.
    I think CowboyBob blames GWB for 9/11 in his often posted diatribe.

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    Well I suppose it is something to post over and over that cant be proven absolutely wrong... so run with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I think CowboyBob blames GWB for 9/11 in his often posted diatribe.
    Springer, your obsession with me is disturbing. Post a link to where I accused GWB for the 9/11 attacks.

    And ya know, about GWB and 9/11, there's something they're not telling us. Everything seemed to be covered up. There's something they're not telling us. There's something fishy about 9/11, I tell ya. Can you prove GWB didn't have anything to do with it?


    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well I suppose it is something to post over and over that cant be proven absolutely wrong... so run with it...

    Obama Bombed Boston

    Obama not only bombed Boston. Obama must be responsible for 9/11. He has to be. Where was he and what was he up to in 2001? You know he pals around with terrorists. Wanted posters have been posted in this very forum proving Obama is a terrorist. Or at least pals around with them. Besides, he's from Kenya. And he hates America. And wants to take away your guns.











    okay censors, do your thing....... 10, 9, 8, 7, 6...........

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Springer, your obsession with me is disturbing. Post a link to where I accused GWB for the 9/11 attacks.

    And ya know, about GWB and 9/11, there's something they're not telling us. Everything seemed to be covered up. There's something they're not telling us. There's something fishy about 9/11, I tell ya. Can you prove GWB didn't have anything to do with it?





    Obama not only bombed Boston. Obama must be responsible for 9/11. He has to be. Where was he and what was he up to in 2001? You know he pals around with terrorists. Wanted posters have been posted in this very forum proving Obama is a terrorist. Or at least pals around with them. Besides, he's from Kenya. And he hates America. And wants to take away your guns.



    okay censors, do your thing....... 10, 9, 8, 7, 6...........
    What about the grassy knoll on 11/22/63?

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    What about the grassy knoll on 11/22/63?
    Could be.

    He was in Kenya at the time organizing a sleeper cell of anti-American combatants preparing to strike the USA decades later. In his toddler years he was quite active plotting to take away American's freedoms and guns. I suppose he could have taken time away from his Romper Room activities and travel to Dallas.

    It just seems like that could be possible.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Meanwhile, Mayor Bloomberg is claiming that the Boston Marathon bombers might have been planning to come to NYC to set off a bomb in Times Square. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3156702.html

    They could have killed hundreds of people, although probably none of them would have been New Yorkers.

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