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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Question about the right to carry guns,
    Do you have the right to carry guns outside in public like this event ?
    Not really the place for a gun conversation, nor do I see how it is in any way germane.

    But it depends on the area. Boston i would imagine has rather strict gun regulation in place. SO i doubt average citizens could simply choose to carry open or concealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Question about the right to carry guns,
    Do you have the right to carry guns outside in public like this event ?
    regulations vary from state to state, but in Massachusetts, no. it requires "proper cause" to openly carry a weapon in public (though there's a pending court case challenging these laws, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...court/2077293/)

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    CNN have been making a big deal about Obama's non-use of the word terrorism. Wolf Blitzer must have mentioned it 10 times.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    They tried to get ari fleischer to bite

    And that's not criticism so much as filling time

    It's a valid "semantics" question

    I think with no proof why go there
    I see when called out on a false statement, change the argument... good ploy
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    If he used the word "terrorism" -- than war would need to follow...

    I'm GLAD that he was cautious...

    I am HORRIFIED at the events and I can only HOPE that the perpetrators are killed in the most horrendous way possible with NO publicity...

    The fuckers deserve even less than that...

    A marathon SHOULD BE a CELEBRATION of LIFE!!!

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    regulations vary from state to state, but in Massachusetts, no. it requires "proper cause" to openly carry a weapon in public (though there's a pending court case challenging these laws, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...court/2077293/)
    About gun debate,
    It would be funny if all marathon runners carry guns for their personal safety.


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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    About gun debate,
    It would be funny if all marathon runners carry guns for their personal safety.
    No that would be pathetic.
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    @ Chance... What mainstream cable network represents all of America? Last i checked when you speak of all of us that kinda means ALL...

    I know you are desperate for something to fight about but you cannot possibly be saying Americans are not talking about the fact that Obama didn't say the word terrorism. Even a foreign contributor picked up on it immediately from the left wings employment of the same "dont say it tactic" in his own country.

    What reputable main stream cable network... lol. If your America is defined by Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, or Seppard Smith then I am sorry but that isnt America.
    Create a controversy if u like

    There is none

    You in your basement trying to find right wing critics doesn't constitute

    But by all means tell us who said what

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    No one is blaming Obama for this ? Surely he had a hand in this somehow.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Tthat's not criticism so much as filling time

    It's a valid "semantics" question

    I think with no proof why go there
    I totally agree. Just pointing out that people ARE talking about it, right or wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    No that would be pathetic.
    Its a joke because i've heard anyone can carry/hide guns in public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Its a joke because i've heard anyone can carry/hide guns in public.
    you've heard wrong.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Guns are a very ineffective defence against bombs, Telstra.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    I'm sure the war hawks are itching to go to war. This is why I'm glad Obama's in there and not Romney.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I see when called out on a false statement, change the argument... good ploy
    you don't "see" anything - just your own bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Create a controversy if u like

    There is none

    You in your basement trying to find right wing critics doesn't constitute

    But by all means tell us who said what
    Whatever you say. I made a clear statement, you argued it wasn't true, it has been since proven that you were wrong. feel free to admit it or just move on and refuse to admit you are wrong like usual. It makes no difference to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by juanprox View Post
    No one is blaming Obama for this ? Surely he had a hand in this somehow.
    Just give them time and the regulars will be claiming such. Once the memo goes out from foamy mouth mountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I'm sure the war hawks are itching to go to war. This is why I'm glad Obama's in there and not Romney.
    LOL

    who are the "war hawks" ??

    the ones on Jay's short wave radio ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Whatever you say. I made a clear statement, you argued it wasn't true, it has been since proven that you were wrong. feel free to admit it or just move on and refuse to admit you are wrong like usual. It makes no difference to me.



    Just give them time and the regulars will be claiming such. Once the memo goes out from foamy mouth mountain.
    waiting for u to blame ambassador stevens or perhaps mayor menino for the event

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I'm sure the war hawks are itching to go to war. This is why I'm glad Obama's in there and not Romney.
    President Romney or not, I don't think there's a shred of an appetite for going to war amongst the rank and file of either party.

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    What a terrible day. It went from holiday to horror so quickly. I think we're all still in shock. Nobody quite knows what to say to each other here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I'm sure the war hawks are itching to go to war. This is why I'm glad Obama's in there and not Romney.
    Quite honestly I would happily take the Clinton tact and kill off a thousand in a training camp for each person who dies here. That seems about fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    What a terrible day. It went from holiday to horror so quickly. I think we're all still in shock. Nobody quite knows what to say to each other here.
    I have heard a lot of stories from folks there today. I have also heard of Bostonians opening their doors and homes for stranded visitors. Are you able to get back to the place you are staying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    What a terrible day. It went from holiday to horror so quickly. I think we're all still in shock. Nobody quite knows what to say to each other here.
    I'm just happy that you're safe. When I saw the news, my first thought was "Omg I hope he wasn't there!" My heart skipped a beat...
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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Rachel Maddow is interviewing a guy I worked with right now - runner/eyewitness

    he works for NBC Universal in ad sales - so he's an "inside interview"

    he ran in the race - got a cramp - kept going - he was in the vicinity of both bombs

    his family was supposed to be at the finish line - but were stuck in traffic

    giving credit to volunteers

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    The idea of the purpose of an act classified as terrorism being unclear is impossible - a contradiction in terms . The principal emotion here , as earlier with that shooting in Norway ,is why ?

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    Mike Barnicle is on - talking about the tradition of the day - about the city - providing context

    very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I have heard a lot of stories from folks there today. I have also heard of Bostonians opening their doors and homes for stranded visitors. Are you able to get back to the place you are staying?
    yes thanks I made it home. I'll admit I was nervous about taking the T when we still thought the JFK fire was related but I decided to tough it out once the trains re-opened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Mike Barnicle is on - talking about the tradition of the day - about the city - providing context

    very good
    Its been freaking me out that you're typing what's happening on Rachel Maddow so fucking FAST, until I realized I must have paused the cable at some point and I'm actually watching her on a four minute delay

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    yes thanks I made it home. I'll admit I was nervous about taking the T when we still thought the JFK fire was related but I decided to tough it out once the trains re-opened.
    Boston can be difficult to get out of when there is a huge event much less when something this terrible happens. Glad you got home safe. I sincerely hope this is a 'one of' event that we can learn of how they did it and set up methods to stop it in the future.
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    ^^ LOL - i know it BEFORE it happens Luv

    glad you're ok

    Boston and New England is my second home

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    Glad to see you're okay Luv.
    As for who the perp is..looking foreign at this point but then again...you look at some of the twitter feeds and there are some seriously unhinged people out there.

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    just talking out of my ass, obviously, but I'd think that if it was an organized terrorist organization, they'd be falling over themselves to take credit for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    I'm surprised that our Kardashian president could stop partying with the Hollywood crowd long enough to even take notice of the event.
    Of course he didn't call it a terrorist attack. The official Obama party line is that terrorism was vanquished with the death of Bin Laden.
    Using this tragedy to bash the President. Classy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    It would be funny if all marathon runners carry guns for their personal safety.
    Do you understand how absurd that would be from a weight standpoint alone. I've never run in a marathon (26.2) miles, but I have run in 15K (9.3 mile) races, and believe me, you don't want to carry anything that weights more than an ounce or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Do you understand how absurd that would be from a weight standpoint alone. I've never run in a marathon (26.2) miles, but I have run in 15K (9.3 mile) races, and believe me, you don't want to carry anything that weights more than an ounce or two.
    ummm Do you understand my joke about the right to carry guns.
    As i said, it would be funny and stupid to carry guns everywhere ...


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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Both my sisters are marathon runners and both are shook up badly. (they know people personally that were running it, and spent time on running forums talking to other people that were running it) I'll admit to letting my fear get to me a bit. The idea that this could happen seemingly out of the blue, and during an event like this, is scary. You wouldn't exactly expect a marathon to be a choice target for a terrorist attack. That, and the bombs were clearly meant to do maximum damage. They were loaded with ball bearings and other shrapnel specifically to maim and kill far worse than a 'normal' bomb.

    The biggest part that's got me rattled though is that we don't know who did it and why yet. Its an uneasy feeling that I haven't felt since 9/11 before Al Qaeda took responsibility.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    No one ever though terrorism was dead with Osama Bin Laden. He and his group might be dead but the ideas that spawned it live on.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Fortunately, our friends didn't run Boston this year.

    What with the multiple bomb locations, it all certainly doesn't seem to have the usual hallmarks of domestic right wing terrorism, but I guess time will tell. I see where the FBI/police have already visited an apartment and taken a load of stuff away.

    With respect to the right wing blaming Obama personally? That will start today when the howling pack will start to complain that Obama has not kept the US safe from foreign terrorism. Mark my words.

    And somehow, this will also link to Benghazi in their minds.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    The sad part is not only the wounded and dead from yesterday but the idea that this could become more frequent. Until we as a public begin to notice what is around us the task will continue to be easy in comparison to other countries where terror became or is a daily event.

    The other impression I have is that while this is obviously a smash to the eye of America, when you see the first explosion scene, all that is on the ground are the flags of other nations. This is an international event and terror is a blight on the world that we must find a way to eradicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Fortunately, our friends didn't run Boston this year.

    What with the multiple bomb locations, it all certainly doesn't seem to have the usual hallmarks of domestic right wing terrorism, but I guess time will tell. I see where the FBI/police have already visited an apartment and taken a load of stuff away.

    With respect to the right wing blaming Obama personally? That will start today when the howling pack will start to complain that Obama has not kept the US safe from foreign terrorism. Mark my words.

    And somehow, this will also link to Benghazi in their minds.
    Already several left leaning networks were trying to blame people on the right -- just like they did in the murder of the Federal Judge and others in Arizona.

    It's time to find out what happened -- and not follow the mess of Benghazi -- where the American public and Congress still doesn't know what happened.

    Keep the politics out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Fortunately, our friends didn't run Boston this year.

    What with the multiple bomb locations, it all certainly doesn't seem to have the usual hallmarks of domestic right wing terrorism, but I guess time will tell. I see where the FBI/police have already visited an apartment and taken a load of stuff away.

    With respect to the right wing blaming Obama personally? That will start today when the howling pack will start to complain that Obama has not kept the US safe from foreign terrorism. Mark my words.

    And somehow, this will also link to Benghazi in their minds.
    your "contribution" here is typical and very much expected

    it's less than 24 hours since the attack - much to be learned

    your "right wing" this - "benghazi" that is lame

    your "mark my words" is akin to the infamous "i called it"

    please take a break from your anti us and inflammatory rhetoric

    no one wants to or needs to hear it

    espn radio is doing boston marathon coverage this am - instead of their usual sports talk - interesting decision - frankly i was hoping for a diversion while i shower for work

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Oh Chance, stop caterwauling.

    I did call the gun thing. Across the nation it has resulted in desultory changes being made...with as many states loosening gun laws as those strengthening them and the federal government basically running and hiding. It is now almost 5 months later and take a good look around. Pretty few voices keeping the discussion alive.

    As far as this bombing, of course it will be made political, no matter how much hand wringing all the professional grief ladies give us. The right wing partisan Republicans will say it is all because of failed foreign policy and Obama 'weakening' America. Christ, most of these people blame Obama if they don't butter their toast correctly.

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    ^ America is a big boat to steer

    Sharp hard turns are not in our makeup

    Gun legislation is happening

    Gay marriage is happening

    Count your (our) blessings

    There is no need for your right wing probablies here

    It's that simple

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    Re: Terrorism at the Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It's time to find out what happened -- and not follow the mess of Benghazi -- where the American public and Congress still doesn't know what happened.

    Keep the politics out of it.
    That's so weird - I know what happened in Benghazi, but the American public and Congress still don't? Sure, let's keep the politics out of it... -snicker-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Already several left leaning networks were trying to blame people on the right -- just like they did in the murder of the Federal Judge and others in Arizona.

    It's time to find out what happened -- and not follow the mess of Benghazi -- where the American public and Congress still doesn't know what happened.

    Keep the politics out of it.
    YOU keep politics out of it Springer. Everything you mentioned here is politics.

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    Perhaps Jack Springer thinks it is leftwing assassins, who are pro-choice, who kill doctors who perform abortions. No wonder people who are gay and vote Republican are screwed up. I supposed I can momentarily wonder, in however his mind works, why Jack Springer loiters here. But I figure it's because he likes to tease.


    On the matter of yesterday's [04.15.2013] bombing in Boston, Massachusetts, I would like to not rush to a conclusion. At the time of this posting, not even a full 24 hours have elapsed. We will get more information, no doubt, and I think we'll have a better sense of this not too long from now.

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    I was wondering when it would be all Obama's fault.

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    Yeah. Plus, I am sure Obama has PERSONALLY aborted at least three babies who would otherwise have grown up to prevent this from happening.
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    Keep the politics out of it.
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