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    Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

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    "Holy crusade" or political suicide? A sorry excuse for the "new and improved" GOP.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-of-guns-bull/

    Fuck the survivors of the New Town massacre. Fuck Obama (who favors gun registration). Fuck the wishes of 90% of the American people.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Of course he will do this and no...he has no sense of decency.

    This is pretty much the anticipated outcome of any discussion on guns in America.

    It is a pretty sad day when the elected legislators of a nation do not respect the wishes of 90% of the people.

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    It's funny how "filibuster" has now come to mean just the threat of a filibuster.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    When McConnell announced this, 16 GOP senators who were on the fence came out and announced they would not join the fillibuster. Hopefully McConnell and others continue to commit career suicide so we can get back to a functioning government again.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    "Holy crusade" or political suicide? A sorry excuse for the "new and improved" GOP.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-of-guns-bull/

    Fuck the survivors of the New Town massacre. Fuck Obama (who favors gun registration). Fuck the wishes of 90% of the American people.
    Hey GOP - You rock!

    Paraphrasing the great Joseph Welsh (to Joe McCarthy), "At long last Senator, have you no sense of decency?"
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Was watching Obama's press Conf before I just left work

    Man does he look ........ Mature

    He was spot on

    Shit for integrity and brains

    Is the republican senate

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Profits for the gun manufacturers are more important than the lives of American's children, so says the republicans in the senate. The republicans cower at the feet of the NRA and gun lobbyists. Protect the profits of the gun manufacturers are a republican priority as their products blow the brains out of children.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    McConnell and his supporters trying to hold on to their seat and doesn't want any heat from their party. They will do anything that goes against the POTUS and against anything anti-gun. They will worry about the consequences later. They depend on people not remembering any of this come re-election time.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    They didnt filibuster it... they voted it down... gone... poof ... buh bye
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    What is new from the Senator of Kentucky and as he known as Senator NO.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    This was the easy vote

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Obama let loose today, saying "This is a shameful day for Washington".

    He is absolutely right. It's a fucking disgrace.

    "The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill," Obama said.

    The president said the failure of the background check bill "came down to politics."

    "There are no coherent arguments for why we didn't do this," Obama said.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=1991596

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    There is no argument for why this bill was voted down. It is absurd how much power the gun lobby has.
    BTW,folks should be aware that if gunpowder was used in the bombs Monday,the FBI and ATF have no way to trace it as the NRA made sure they wouldn't be allowed to that.

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    Do we really need to wait until the Supreme Court liberalizes itself enough to actually make a ruling? Is the country that incapacitated to make normal decisions?
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Roly,sadly yes it is.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Profits for the gun manufacturers are more important than the lives of American's children, so says the republicans in the senate. The republicans cower at the feet of the NRA and gun lobbyists. Protect the profits of the gun manufacturers are a republican priority as their products blow the brains out of children.
    Well said.

    I can't wait to hear the rhetoric from the normal two groups on here:

    1) The Champions of the line .... "The President needs/needed to do more to lead on this issue" .....

    2) The ones that routinely confuse the functions of the Executive and Legislative branches that think President Obama has the responsibility to pass bills in Congress ... but not be a dictator, either
    Last edited by MystikWizard; April 18th, 2013 at 01:41 AM.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Everyone of these fucking cowards should get correspondence from citizens letting them know they are cowards. Every single one of them are more subservient to the NRA, GOA and gun manufacturers than their constituents...... which no matter how you slice it... 90 percent of america support background checks... so a majority of their constituents are among those in the approval section.

    FUCKING COWARDS. is all my email will say.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization. They blackmail republican politicians to do their bidding by making threats of having voters turn against them. Politicians are so afraid of losing their job because of the NRA blackmail, they'll do anything they want.

    We need to vote out these cowards. They were elected to do the will of the people, not the gun manufacturers. Protecting the profits of the stockholders and CEOs so can enjoy lavish paychecks so America's children die is not why we elected them.

    But as Mitt Romney said, "corporations are people too". Crazy right ring propaganda.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    I don't know, I used to think that the sane voices on the right would prevail, but instead, they just keep getting more and more marginalized. If the Libertarians weren't such incompetents, they'd be all over this driving the wooden spike into the undead heart of the Modern GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I don't know, I used to think that the sane voices on the right would prevail, but instead, they just keep getting more and more marginalized. If the Libertarians weren't such incompetents, they'd be all over this driving the wooden spike into the undead heart of the Modern GOP.
    True but they weren't an obvious losing minority until recently.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    I agree with points made but to edify you folks on the lower profile but bigger enemy at the gates....

    As the Senate moves to vote on expanding background checks for gun purchases, the Gun Owners of America lobby group has a warning for Republicans on Capitol Hill: vote against background checks or face a showdown with the GOA in the next election.
    These conspiracy theory cowards are under the impression the checks are not there to find those who should not have a weapon but to catalogue those who do.

    The man even talks of 'repenting' his decisions to campaign for Toomey as if politics and religion were the same thing.

    These folks are the america taliban
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I agree with points made but to edify you folks on the lower profile but bigger enemy at the gates....

    These conspiracy theory cowards are under the impression the checks are not there to find those who should not have a weapon but to catalogue those who do.

    The man even talks of 'repenting' his decisions to campaign for Toomey as if politics and religion were the same thing.

    These folks are the america taliban
    Exactly!......

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    The Senate is a disgrace. Hey Governor Jindal, how's that "the GOP shouldn't be the stupid party" thing going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Everyone of these fucking cowards should get correspondence from citizens letting them know they are cowards. Every single one of them are more subservient to the NRA, GOA and gun manufacturers than their constituents...... which no matter how you slice it... 90 percent of america support background checks... so a majority of their constituents are among those in the approval section.

    FUCKING COWARDS. is all my email will say.
    I just sent emails to my Senators, Cruz and Cornyn. Quoting that quote from that Senator that told McCarthy he has no decency.
    Then at the end said they were idiots. The only thing I could come up with that wouldn't cause the SS to come get me.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    The Borowitz Report is a good one today. Read it.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...tz%20%28109%29
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    And now... a few words from Gabrielle Giffords:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/op...grip.html?_r=0

    Mark my words: if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts communities’ interests ahead of the gun lobby’s. To do nothing while others are in danger is not the American way.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    And now... a few words from Gabrielle Giffords:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/op...grip.html?_r=0


    I've never seen such an ungrateful victim!
    According to republicans, Giffords and the families of the shooting victims are nothing more than props.

    After all, they shouldn't have any say in gun regulation.

    Ungrateful woman.....what's she doing in politics anyway? A woman's place is in the home cookin' for her man and havin' his babies.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    There is no argument for why this bill was voted down. It is absurd how much power the gun lobby has.
    BTW,folks should be aware that if gunpowder was used in the bombs Monday,the FBI and ATF have no way to trace it as the NRA made sure they wouldn't be allowed to that.
    Sure there is -- but no one was using it.

    First, there's the hypocrisy of it: Democrats have fought like mad to keep any private seller access to the NICS a dead issue. Now, suddenly, they want to mandate that -- not the access, but the use. If they'd been interested in private sellers being able to do background checks on purchasers, that would have been accomplished 'way back before 9-11, when NRA-supported congresscritters were trying to get it done.

    BTW -- link to that last claim?
    Second, there's the reality that the vast majority of Americans believe that the universality of background checks could lead to confiscation. In other words, they see this as putting in place a step toward suppression of a basic right.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Do we really need to wait until the Supreme Court liberalizes itself enough to actually make a ruling? Is the country that incapacitated to make normal decisions?
    So becoming more authoritarian is the same as liberalizing.

    Nice to have that clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So becoming more authoritarian is the same as liberalizing.

    Nice to have that clear.
    I am not going to argue with your talking points. You have proven repeatedly to have absolutely no ground to stand on for this issue, and repeatedly fail to defend the utter inconsistency between your zealous ideology and the stark reality of guns in America. The link is in THIS topic, and I know you've seen it. I am sure you can say a lot about the legitimacy of the source, but if you can't disprove the numbers, you truly have nothing.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    The 90% approval in some polls of Americans for gun control is grossly exaggerated. That is nothing new for the left wingnuts.
    We don't need any new laws. We need the current administration to enforce the ones already on the books.
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    The 90% approval in some polls of Americans for gun control is grossly exaggerated. That is nothing new for the left wingnuts.
    We don't need any new laws. We need the current administration to enforce the ones already on the books.
    One of the gun myths debunked in the article from my link ^_^
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    First, there's the hypocrisy of it: Democrats have fought like mad to keep any private seller access to the NICS a dead issue. Now, suddenly, they want to mandate that -- not the access, but the use. If they'd been interested in private sellers being able to do background checks on purchasers, that would have been accomplished 'way back before 9-11, when NRA-supported congresscritters were trying to get it done.

    BTW -- link to that last claim?
    Second, there's the reality that the vast majority of Americans believe that the universality of background checks could lead to confiscation. In other words, they see this as putting in place a step toward suppression of a basic right.
    What these insufferable fools fail to realize is that there wasn't anything in the recent bill that would have prevented the incident at Newtown. Not one thing. It was little more than 'feel good' legislation. If some deranged individual decides to kill himself and take a few innocents with him, no amount of legislation will prevent it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    What these insufferable fools fail to realize is that there wasn't anything in the recent bill that would have prevented the incident at Newtown. Not one thing. It was little more than 'feel good' legislation. If some deranged individual decides to kill himself and take a few innocents with him, no amount of legislation will prevent it.
    What you insufferable fools fail to realize is that if George W Bush didn't let the 10-year federal ban on assault weapons lapse, he wouldn't have had access to these military style weapons and high capacity cartridges.

    The answer to gun violence isn't putting more guns out there. It's getting rid of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    What these insufferable fools fail to realize is that there wasn't anything in the recent bill that would have prevented the incident at Newtown. Not one thing. It was little more than 'feel good' legislation. If some deranged individual decides to kill himself and take a few innocents with him, no amount of legislation will prevent it.
    It prevents other things. And lowers the general quantity of guns in the hands of nutjobs. So... It actually WOULD have prevented Newtown since Mommy Lanza was ultra unstable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    What you insufferable fools fail to realize is that if George W Bush didn't let the 10-year federal ban on assault weapons lapse, he wouldn't have had access to these military style weapons and high capacity cartridges.

    The answer to gun violence isn't putting more guns out there. It's getting rid of them.
    No... we need more guns out there. Makes sense to me. Remember Edward Teller who said we need more hydrogen bombs? After all, Teller was a doctor. Not that kind of doctor!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I am not going to argue with your talking points. You have proven repeatedly to have absolutely no ground to stand on for this issue, and repeatedly fail to defend the utter inconsistency between your zealous ideology and the stark reality of guns in America. The link is in THIS topic, and I know you've seen it. I am sure you can say a lot about the legitimacy of the source, but if you can't disprove the numbers, you truly have nothing.
    The reality of guns in America is that thousands of people use them every week to protect themselves and/or their property from criminals. The reality is that millions of people own and use guns, and those people are more law-abiding than those who do not. And the reality is that in order to try to do something about the rare few who do misuse firearms, liberals continually push ideas which won't do a thing to impede the criminals but will impose serious burdens on the law-abiding. Further, the reality is that Vice President Biden has admitted that none of the current proposals in Congress would have had much, if any, deterrent against the sorts of mass shootings we've seen.

    Another side of reality is that no one in Congress is proposing anything based on the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    . The link is in THIS topic, and I know you've seen it. I am sure you can say a lot about the legitimacy of the source, but if you can't disprove the numbers, you truly have nothing.
    You have offered no link in this thread.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    We don't need any new laws. We need the current administration to enforce the ones already on the books.
    I disagree. From Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:


    To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


    "Discipline" here does not mean detailing consequences for things done wrong, but rather to set out the orderly fashion in which the militia is to behave. The standards and requirements of that discipline are a key part of having a well-regulated militia.

    Leaving one's firearms around unsecured so others may just walk in and take them is not disciplined. Allowing those mentally unfit to have (keep, or bear) firearms is not disciplined. We know that these have happened, because individuals have taken advantage of this lack of discipline and killed numbers of other people.

    These are what Congress should be addressing. Congress has no authority to ban common types of firearms because there are people who find them scary, nor do they have the authority to dictate how many a person may buy or own, but they certainly have the authority to decree that as a matter of discipline for the militia -- which is all of us -- the mentally unfit may not have firearms, violent criminals may not possess firearms, and no one may leave firearms about in such a way that they are readily available for others.

    So legislation based on the Constitution should be passed, doing two things: providing that respected institutions -- public or private, including universities -- may and should report anyone judged to be dangerous to the NICS, where that individual's name would be flagged not as forbidden to purchase a firearm, but as required to provide sound evidence that he or she is not dangerous; and that all firearms not being carried for personal protection, or available in a home or place of business when residents or employees are present, must be stored in such a fashion that they are not available to anyone else (personally I would require not merely that the arms be locked up, but also disabled).

    This wouldn't prevent all mass shootings, but it would cover many of them. And these two propositions have in their favor that the Constitution specifically authorizes such measures under providing for disciplining the militia.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    What you insufferable fools fail to realize is that if George W Bush didn't let the 10-year federal ban on assault weapons lapse, he wouldn't have had access to these military style weapons and high capacity cartridges.

    The answer to gun violence isn't putting more guns out there. It's getting rid of them.
    And the answer to automobile wrecks isn't putting more automobiles out there, it's getting rid of them.

    And the answer to sports injuries isn't letting more people play sports, it's getting rid of them.


    Oh -- and not one single mass shooting in the U.S. in memory has involved "military style weapons".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    No... we need more guns out there. Makes sense to me. Remember Edward Teller who said we need more hydrogen bombs? After all, Teller was a doctor. Not that kind of doctor!



    Are these covered by the Second Amendment?
    Of course not -- they're not arms that anyone can bear, i.e. carry around.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Therefore, would you consider the XM25 "Punisher" an acceptable personal firearm, given that the US Government has just invested $68 million in it's mass production for standard infantrymen?

    The XM25 is an air-powered laser targeting armor-piercing grenade launcher that enables soldiers to fire grenades to a specified detonation point, thus vastly increasing the ability to take out combatants who are sheltered behind barricades, walls, cars etc. Trials of the device in Afghanistan have proved so successful that the weapon will become standard issue for all battalions in the next 1-2 years.

    The XM25 is lightweight and can be carried in addition to an infantryman's standard issue rifle. It easily meets your "anyone can bear" requirement. Are you happy for everyday citizens to bear them?

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The reality of guns in America is that thousands of people use them every week to protect themselves and/or their property from criminals. The reality is that millions of people own and use guns, and those people are more law-abiding than those who do not. And the reality is that in order to try to do something about the rare few who do misuse firearms, liberals continually push ideas which won't do a thing to impede the criminals but will impose serious burdens on the law-abiding. Further, the reality is that Vice President Biden has admitted that none of the current proposals in Congress would have had much, if any, deterrent against the sorts of mass shootings we've seen.

    Another side of reality is that no one in Congress is proposing anything based on the Constitution.
    "Rare few"? You jest, surely?

    And here's the dumb link again, since it's so difficult to find:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ths-fact-check

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Therefore, would you consider the XM25 "Punisher" an acceptable personal firearm, given that the US Government has just invested $68 million in it's mass production for standard infantrymen?

    The XM25 is an air-powered laser targeting armor-piercing grenade launcher that enables soldiers to fire grenades to a specified detonation point, thus vastly increasing the ability to take out combatants who are sheltered behind barricades, walls, cars etc. Trials of the device in Afghanistan have proved so successful that the weapon will become standard issue for all battalions in the next 1-2 years.

    The XM25 is lightweight and can be carried in addition to an infantryman's standard issue rifle. It easily meets your "anyone can bear" requirement. Are you happy for everyday citizens to bear them?
    Let me ask in his place:

    "No, because... reasons!"
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Of course not -- they're not arms that anyone can bear, i.e. carry around.
    In case you missed my response question above, thought I'd quote you to bump it.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Therefore, would you consider the XM25 "Punisher" an acceptable personal firearm, given that the US Government has just invested $68 million in it's mass production for standard infantrymen?

    The XM25 is an air-powered laser targeting armor-piercing grenade launcher that enables soldiers to fire grenades to a specified detonation point, thus vastly increasing the ability to take out combatants who are sheltered behind barricades, walls, cars etc. Trials of the device in Afghanistan have proved so successful that the weapon will become standard issue for all battalions in the next 1-2 years.

    The XM25 is lightweight and can be carried in addition to an infantryman's standard issue rifle. It easily meets your "anyone can bear" requirement. Are you happy for everyday citizens to bear them?
    You give the answer yourself with this phrase: "in addition to an infantryman's standard issue rifle". The standard issue rifle is what comes under "to keep and bear arms". The XM25 is a special-issue item, the sort of thing one person in a squad carries. In militia terms, it's one of those things a local militia could have, but would be kept in the arsenal, not in individual homes.

    BTW, it's not "my" "anyone can bear requirement" -- that's just common sense, from the phrase "to keep and bear": if an individual can't bear (carry) it, it isn't covered, by the simple meaning of words.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    So..... the Second Amendment says civilians may carry ONE weapon that a standard soldier would carry, but not two? Does that mean civilians may not carry a knife AND a rifle? How about a bayonet - is that a PART of a rifle, or a separate weapon?

    Your interpretation of the Second becomes more convoluted every day.

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    "Rare few"? You jest, surely?

    And here's the dumb link again, since it's so difficult to find:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ths-fact-check

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    Well, the Mother Jones article starts off with a lie in their first "myth", so it's not credible.

    The lie? Quite simply, Diane Feinstein has said flat out she wants "Mrs. and Mr. America" to "turn them all in".

    They also continue to count criminals shooting criminals in their effort to make law-abiding citizens with firearms seem dangerous. Then they turn the question on its head, looking at whether criminals having guns makes women safer, rather than whether those women having guns makes the women safer.

    And I really like the way they blame the NRA for the US Senate being consistent in applying the requirement of Senate approval for nominees to head agencies.

    It's plainly an article with an agenda that doesn't care much about sticking to truth or logic.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Mitch McConnell plans to join filibuster of guns bill

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    So..... the Second Amendment says civilians may carry ONE weapon that a standard soldier would carry, but not two? Does that mean civilians may not carry a knife AND a rifle? How about a bayonet - is that a PART of a rifle, or a separate weapon?

    Your interpretation of the Second becomes more convoluted every day.
    My explanation of the Second Amendment is straightforward, despite your attempts to misunderstand it.

    What's covered are the common arms of a soldier; the number of weapons is irrelevant. The XM25 is not the common arm of a soldier, because not every soldier carries it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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