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    Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Pastor Rick Warren,who helped push Prop 8 and is anti-gay has lost his youngest son to suicide. His son has suffered from depression for years and finally killed himself.
    When I think of Matthew's death,I can't help but think of Tony Dungy's son commiting suicide all those years ago. Another son of a right winger who believes homosexuals should burn in hell killing himself,it makes you wonder.
    It might make me sound like a horrible person but I while I feel for the family,I can only hope that Rick Warren is now feeling what so many families of LGBT youth who have killed themselves felt.
    I hate feeling that way but I do. I feel for the family but at the same time I can't help but recoil at feel any pit for a man who has made the lives of so many of us hell.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    It's sad when anyone commits suicide -- hurts the family left behind more than anyone else.

    I think that Dungy and Warren both profess the new belief promoted by Rob Bell that there is no Hell only Heaven.

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    This is terrible news. Prayers for the Warren family.

    Several of my neighbors attend Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, and I've met Pastor Warren once. He is a very sensible, compassionate man.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    I don't think this is as much of a gay issue [at least from what I read] but just sad all around.

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    How so? My prayers & thoughts are with the Warren family during this difficult time.

    Pastor Rick Warren doesn't support gay marriage but as far as conservative Christians go, he is more tolerant than many other conservative Christians out there.

    President Obama liked Pastor Warren enough to visit his church during the 2008 election, and he invited him to give the invocation during his first inauguration.

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    was his son gay?

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    I sincerely hope he doesn't have to deal with people like himself.

    When my brother committed suicide I was angry. I am still angry. I am OK with being angry.

    At his service the priest talked alot about his sin...I was furious. The priest knew I was furious. I told myself to keep my mouth shut but the lovely religious do gooders couldn't help themselves from inserting themselves into my grief and anger to tell me "the truth"....people like Rick Warren...and I didn't keep my mouth shut though I kept it short and sweet and civil. They told me he was in a "better place" and I told them if that was the case maybe they should join him in that "better place" and leave me alone.

    May he not have to face someone like himself while he is grieving....that is my wish for him and his family.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    I hear what you say eastofeden but in the same breath,he's propably going to find it's not nice to be on the back end of judgemental people.
    And as Cowboy said,this man has worked to outlaw same sex marriage and is a bigot,no matter how "nice" he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I hear what you say eastofeden but in the same breath,he's propably going to find it's not nice to be on the back end of judgemental people.
    And as Cowboy said,this man has worked to outlaw same sex marriage and is a bigot,no matter how "nice" he is.
    Just to be clear I dont think he is nice at all. I can't find a single good thing to say about him.

    I am, however, respectful when it comes to anyone experienceing the loss of a loved one. I empathize with their pain and woudln't wish it on anyone.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    It's a tragedy to see a young man kill himself. That's all that really needs to be spoken about in this thread.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    This is terrible news. Prayers for the Warren family.

    Several of my neighbors attend Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, and I've met Pastor Warren once. He is a very sensible, compassionate man.
    Oh once again with the prayers....

    If I were Rick Warren's son, I'd kill myself too.

    Oh and Jayqueer? The only reason that Warren got on the inauguration podium was to try to placate the rabid, bitter white southern baptists after the election.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    was his son gay?
    I've seen some mention along the way today that someone who claims to have known him said that he was a homo.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Oh once again with the prayers....

    If I were Rick Warren's son, I'd kill myself too.

    Oh and Jayqueer? The only reason that Warren got on the inauguration podium was to try to placate the rabid, bitter white southern baptists after the election.
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    my thoughts are for the family - horrible to bury your son/daughter - just isn't right

    some people don't get it unfortunately - who knows why - it'd be one thing if they kept their hate to themselves - but alas that isn't in the cards

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    it'd be one thing if they kept their hate to themselves - but alas that isn't in the cards
    You're talking about Rick Warren here, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    You're talking about Rick Warren here, right?
    i don't hate rick warren

    i don't agree with many of his positions

    saying hateful things about the man when his son just committed suicide is pathetic

    and hateful

    hope that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i don't hate rick warren

    i don't agree with many of his positions

    saying hateful things about the man when his son just committed suicide is pathetic

    and hateful

    hope that helps
    Oh, I naturally thought you were talking about Rick Warren keeping HIS hate to himself (seeing as you're usually so BALANCED in your finger wagging...)

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Gay or not...this is a sad topic. My prayers for the Warren family!
    My cousin, though he wasn't gay, also suffered from depression and also committed suicide.
    The topic at hand here is depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    Oh, I naturally thought you were talking about Rick Warren keeping HIS hate to himself (seeing as you're usually so BALANCED in your finger wagging...)
    u naturally didn't think anything of the sort

    try to enjoy your day off

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    The only person I have any concern and pity for is Rick's son. Poor guy must have either suffered from depression/mental illness or was gay and couldn't reconcile his sexual identity with the homophobic garbage his father spouted off.

    I couldn't even give .1 % of a fuck for the Guy Fieri of Mega-Churches. It's hard to shed tears for someone who supported both Prop 8 and Uganda's "Kill the gays" bill. I guess Ricky forgot one of the most famous sayings from the Bible: "You reap what you sow".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i don't hate rick warren

    i don't agree with many of his positions

    saying hateful things about the man when his son just committed suicide is pathetic

    and hateful

    hope that helps
    Just because his son died doesn't give Rick a free pass on the asshattery he's done.

    Maybe we should take pity on Kim Jong Un because his daddy died?

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    My Heart & Prayers go out to the Warren Family..I'm not a Parent and I don't know what it must feel like to lose a child...Peace be with them....

    Rick Warren was and Probably still is against Gay Marriage and so was every Democratic Politician at one point including Obama....The Democrats didnt come around until yesterday so people need to be careful how they throw stones...

    Change takes time and young people that represent the Christian Left are on that path...

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    It is a tragedy indeed. I hope that this causes Rick Warren to reflect on the gay youth that kill themselves though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    It is a tragedy indeed. I hope that this causes Rick Warren to reflect on the gay youth that kill themselves though.
    It won't. People like Warren will twist this tragedy to blame the evil homosexuals.

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    I give Rick Warren all the respect that a man deserves who claims he knows what the god of the universe thinks and says about me and the rest of the seven-plus-billion population of the world.

    Though it certainly made him richer than his god.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    This is terrible news. Prayers for the Warren family.

    Several of my neighbors attend Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, and I've met Pastor Warren once. He is a very sensible, compassionate man.
    This man is far from sensible and compassionate. He has worked long against LGBT equality and even has ties to the mess going on in Uganda.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    How so? My prayers & thoughts are with the Warren family during this difficult time.

    Pastor Rick Warren doesn't support gay marriage but as far as conservative Christians go, he is more tolerant than many other conservative Christians out there.

    President Obama liked Pastor Warren enough to visit his church during the 2008 election, and he invited him to give the invocation during his first inauguration.

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    Well considering that I am not for Obama supporting this guy either your quote falls on deaf ears. Tell me do you support his work on the situation in Uganda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    It might make me sound like a horrible person
    Gee, ya think? Depression, suicide, and the loss of a child are all horrible things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    It won't. People like Warren will twist this tragedy to blame the evil homosexuals.
    Pretty much this.

    Since the Rick Warrens of this world think that homosexuality is a mental illness and an affront against their vengeful old testament god, he will probably just mark all of this up to the devil and just move on with an intensified hatred of anything that doesn't conform to his very special understanding of what the iron age gods expect from mankind.

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    There is much criticism to be had for Rick Warren, but making a thread about his son's suicide as a platform for hating him is morbidly disturbing.

    That was a terrible comment, rareboy.
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    You know what? Whatever. I feel sad for the boy and his mother, it's a tragedy and it shouldn't happen. I don't give a flying fuck about Rick Warren's grief. He deserves all the sorrow in the world as far as I am concerned. It's just sad that it took someone else's life to inflict it on him...
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Warren is one of a horde of professionally publicly-"perfect" preachers who are impossible to live with because they can't let go of their worldview and actually see their family. They have one story about the world, and no room for anything that doesn't fit. Everyone around them has to be forced into the "right" mold, and when those people don't fit, it causes untold suffering for them as the perpetrator insists on dealing with them as they are in his view of things, not as they really are. For family members, it becomes impossible to live with the dissonance, because they can't see themselves as a person because they aren't treated as one. Inevitably, they regard themselves as failures because everyone around thinks the preacher and his pretense are so wonderful... but they don't fit in.

    I have little doubt that Warren provided the major impetus to his own son's death. I pray it will lead him to repent and learn to love, but have little hope he will.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    He is a very sensible, compassionate man.
    I have a problem with "Rev." Warren and his sanctioning of homosexual genocide in Uganda. Perhaps you should go there and find out how sensible and compassionate he really is!

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    I have little doubt that Warren provided the major impetus to his own son's death
    . I pray it will lead him to repent and learn to love, but have little hope he will.
    Me too.

    My best friend in High School was one of the biggest "homophobes" that I knew growing up.

    It eventually "ended" our friendship.

    Years and "high school reunions" later, we're back to being friends but never like we were.

    I'm out now, and so is his youngest son.

    The only thing that complicates this is that my "homophobic" best friend back in high school, has since "found Jesus."

    I don't think that any of us can possible know what's going through Rick Warren's heart and mind, but I'd put my money on he's either dealing with his complicity (if any truly exists) in his contribution to his son taking his own life; through both his thoughts, actions and words, or rabidly in denial that his actions or words had anything at all to do with it at all.

    I do know personally, that if my best friend from high school, if his Gay Son killed himself, and he thought for one second that he did or said something that might have contributed to his son's suffering, that he would be not only devastated, but irreconcilable.

    So if one is confused about how to deal with the news from the outside, there is scripture already in place for those quick to judge:

    Galatians 6:7-8 KJV:

    7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;
    As a Gay Man, who's experienced his fair share of suffering at the hands of so called "Christians" and their interpretation of "Christ's Love," I've chosen to be more "Christ Like" than Christian, and allow that judgement for someone else.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    it's refreshing that a handful here recognize what is

    while others transfer their own hatred and "have no doubt"

    some people clearly should have more doubt in their lives

    and get out of their bubble

    kudos to JB for calling out the bullshit

    but it shouldn't be so hard to do

    it should be easy

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    All that rareboy did was describe a reaction I have observed in more than one group of "evangelicals" in similar situations. Perhaps you don't think this thread the appropriate place to take note of that truth, but I disagree: truth is especially appropriate when someone has died; there should be no platitudes, only stark reality.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Oh once again with the prayers....

    If I were Rick Warren's son, I'd kill myself too.

    Oh and Jayqueer? The only reason that Warren got on the inauguration podium was to try to placate the rabid, bitter white southern baptists after the election.
    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I've seen some mention along the way today that someone who claims to have known him said that he was a homo.
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    All that rareboy did was describe a reaction I have observed in more than one group of "evangelicals" in similar situations. Perhaps you don't think this thread the appropriate place to take note of that truth, but I disagree: truth is especially appropriate when someone has died; there should be no platitudes, only stark reality.
    hardly what you described

    not at all

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    hardly what you described

    not at all
    I should have known you'd deliberately "fail" to get it, so:

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    It won't. People like Warren will twist this tragedy to blame the evil homosexuals.
    Pretty much this.

    Since the Rick Warrens of this world think that homosexuality is a mental illness and an affront against their vengeful old testament god, he will probably just mark all of this up to the devil and just move on with an intensified hatred of anything that doesn't conform to his very special understanding of what the iron age gods expect from mankind.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    ^ Quoted for truth.

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    Whatever.

    I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

    If I had had to live a life, particularly as a homo, trapped in an old testament household where I was thought to be more of an abomination of Satan than a true child of God, I would have drunk hemlock years before this.

    Of course what I wrote was terrible. Because, as I understand it, what helped lead to this was terrible too.
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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    I don't "feel for the family"
    I feel for the dead. He lived such a short life.


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    Re: Pastor Rick Warren's son kills himself.

    ^ Exactly.

    ....and all those grief ladies out there mumbling their 'prayers' for Pastor Warren and the family....do you also say a prayer for each and ever homo kid or young adult who kills themselves because of the self-hatred (and often the hatred of their families and communities) as a result of the ugly and hate filled, and frankly anti-Christian apostasy that Warren stands for?

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    ^^^ It's very Christian, not anti-Christian.

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    ^ No. It isn't. Christ had nothing to say on the subject of Homosexuality. Neither did the 10 Commandments which he exhorted his followers to keep. In fact, find me where Christ tells his followers to pay attention to Leviticus.

    It is some old testament nonsense dragged up from the iron age and some Pauline scribblings that got dragged into the doctrine of the modern church by repressed theologians that gets confused with Christianity. It is this talibangelical goat herder mentality from the OT that the Warren's parade around as Christianity...but it isn't. Even the vast majority of Jews...who really are the owners of the OT, aren't confused by the English bible/KJV interpretations on homoism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Since the Rick Warrens of this world think that homosexuality is a mental illness
    IMHO, fundamentalist Christianity is a mental illness.

    the iron age gods expect from mankind.
    Using "iron age gods" in the same sentence with Rick Warren is doing them an injustice.

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    C'mon, Bob. Magic is in every religion's DNA. Without it, religion couldn't exist.

    Last year an ex-friend old me I'm gay because I'm full of demons. I could hear a banjo in the background.

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    My condolences to the Warren family in their grief and loss of a son they loved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I sincerely hope he doesn't have to deal with people like himself.

    When my brother committed suicide I was angry. I am still angry. I am OK with being angry.

    At his service the priest talked alot about his sin...I was furious. The priest knew I was furious. I told myself to keep my mouth shut but the lovely religious do gooders couldn't help themselves from inserting themselves into my grief and anger to tell me "the truth"....people like Rick Warren...and I didn't keep my mouth shut though I kept it short and sweet and civil. They told me he was in a "better place" and I told them if that was the case maybe they should join him in that "better place" and leave me alone.

    May he not have to face someone like himself while he is grieving....that is my wish for him and his family.
    Sorry for your loss. Although I have not suffered the loss a family member due to suicide I have lost several friends & it is indeed hard to understand another's sufferings.

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    I can understand the vehemence towards Rick Warren like any other decent human being; the things he supports are utter abominations. However, he is still a father, and he his dealing with grief along with his family. Suicide is never a pleasant reality, especially when it happens under your own roof. I may have nothing nice to say about the man, but I will say that I am sorry for the loss of his son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    IMHO, fundamentalist Christianity is a mental illness.
    First, the loss of anyone to suicide, especially a family member, is tragic indeed.

    Second, I am of the opinion that any ideology professing absolutism is, by its own definition, inherently flawed & such, in again in my opinion, is the case with fundamentalist Christianity.
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    Not to worry, I'm sure he'll exploit his son's death and write a book about it, reap millions, tax free of course for his "church".

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