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    Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    My early secular education included thoughts and roles related to ancient religious beliefs; thus, ancient religious studies have always held a fascination for me. This story discusses the supposed finding of Pluto's (no not Mickey Mouses' dog Pluto's) portal to the Underworld. Kinda' like the river Styx (no not the rock band) which is a Greek mythological river bordering between Earth and the Underworld and the Norse mythological, Valhalla (from Old Norse Valhǫll "hall of the slain") I imagine.

    I wonder if there really is (and where it may be) a portal between Earth and other world's? I wonder what Christianity teaches about entrances to other world's? Didn't Jesus speak of other worlds not known to man? Do angels access the Earth through such a portal or entry way?


    A gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey, Italian archaeologists have announced.

    Known as Pluto's Gate -- Ploutonion in Greek, Plutonium in Latin -- the cave was celebrated as the portal to the underworld in Greco-Roman mythology and tradition.

    Historic sources located the site in the ancient Phrygian city of Hierapolis, now called Pamukkale, and described the opening as filled with lethal mephitic vapors.

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    I don't know but a boat load of people bank on there being angels and probably just as many folk claim to know there are no angels.

    I realize that portals to other worlds is a bit out there but maybe not as out there as we all think. Shamanism is an ancient religion in which shamans travel through portals to other worlds to receive help from the spirits so the shamans can execute healings and perform divinations. Today, there is an active & growing attempt to preserve and continue Shamanism beliefs & works. I've learned that the Kogi, a shamanic tribe of Columbia, call such another world the Aluna. The Kogi people date to the pre-Colombian Tyronas which Tyronas are contemporaries of the Incas.

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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    See what you do? You presume. And even when you found out you had got it all wrong, you yet carry on with the same folly---presuming and concluding from ignore-ance.

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    yes I am meaning you

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    In this culture 'reality' and 'Imagination' are psychologically divided from each other. This is because itfollows from a traditiona religion which also did the same. Yes it did create dogma, but it denied culture which interrelated with the land imaginatively via rituals and sacred plants which inspired deeper seeing and feeling into nature. Out of this emerges science, and at first the scientists accept this oppressive dogma--because it was VERY dangerous to defy it, as Galileo and especially Giordano Bruno, who was burnt alive, found out!

    Eventually scientists drop this 'God dogma' all together and divide the world up as 'subjective' which they consider inferior and 'objective' which they consider true reality, because it can be measured by their scientific method, and THAT is the current oppressive myth we are all under.

    Why is it oppressive?

    because it tries to deny to us our deeper being which is also interrelated with a deeper understanding of nature, and with this come visions and the understanding that spirituality is all-pervasive. NOT understanding this creates hell and 'gates of hell'--like the gate into Auschwitz in reality. And these states we can experience in psychedelic experience, and OBEs and NDEs. WHICH is THE reality? It is all interconnected and until we begin understanding this we will carry on making more hells!

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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    The only real portal to Hell or Heaven for that matter...can be passed through by way of Death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    [url] It's a drug that induces hallucinations though. So kinda poking a huge hole in that "portal to other worlds" nonsense.
    "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."
    Karl Heinrich Marx & Arnold Ruge, Deutsch-Franzsische Jahrbcher, 1844

    Often paraphrased as "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes" and translated into English as "religion is the opiate of the masses."

    "Religion acts merely as an opiate"
    Marquis de Sade, L'Histoire de Juliette and Novalis's, 1797

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    The only real portal to Hell or Heaven for that matter...can be passed through by way of Death.
    Yes, but did not we earn that Jesus opened that portal with the first resurrection and what of Lazarus? Then there's Elijah and Moses appearing to Jesus. Jesus' Mother Mary appeared 18 times to Bernadette at the grotto in Lourdes. Then there's Our Lady of Ftimas blessed appearance to the three shepherd children being Lcia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto at Ftima, Portugal on the thirteenth day of six consecutive months in 1917, beginning on May 13.

    Does not The Bible additionally record that Elijah, Elisha, Peter and Paul each individually raised the dead, as well as Jesus?

    There's lots of history there with little to explain the individual transitions between worlds not yet seen as having to exist if we are in any way to believe the sacred claims.
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    Thanks for the dialogue all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Wrong. I was not mistaken. And what was I presuming about? I know full well about the Andean region. I am not doing the same in anything. Explain where I was presuming. As far as the coca leaves, I corrected myself on that one. But it's absolutely ridiculous to think that there are parallel realities.
    I don't think you know what you are talking about. Have you ever had psychedelic experience for example? Have you ever experienced a 'parallel 'reality'? If a child starts lecturing about sex to you when its a virgin what do you think?



    Absolute baloney. scientists don't have a "god dogma". They are about discovery... and not making things up so we can please our need for science fiction. Science and science fiction (as what this thread is about) are two different things. And the scientific method is not an "oppressive myth" either.
    You don't even read what is said. Please pay attention, and don't get so excited. I said that Galileo is brought up in the religious tradition which was the Catholic Church---that is the 'God Dogma', right? As the years go by, eventually scientists dispense with religion. Understand.
    And no, the scientific method is not oppressive, but it can become dogma when it is used to calim that ALL reality can be decided by its method---which is not science, but scientism. You are exhibiting this very attitude here in this thread, but are apparently not aware of it lol

    And this is making more assumptions than I can count. Try being consistent for a change. I just love it when one tries to read more into a situation than it really is, and starts using big words.

    I try not to use big words. maybe you just dont understand plain English. What assumptions?

    This "gate of hell" is merely a descriptive word for a scientific process... that is fully explained by science.
    This thread is called 'gate of hell'. I am not sure what you are talking about actually?

    Explain to me how I was being ignorant. As far as the content of some posts on here, absolute bullshit is what I'm calling it. I know in this world people get incredibly defensive when they are called up on their mythical bullshit.
    It is absurd to have that attitude. It is closedminded and you will never learn like this.

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    Something that always helps me to remain semi-grounded in thoughts, theories and such is to try not to deal too often (although sometimes it does seem necessary when evidence firmly exists otherwise) in absolutes. Just another random thought with no firmly identifiable application to the subject matter at hand (so I think). JUB is distracting me from my writing assignments (that is an absolute I think ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    Another random absolute though is shouldn't his butt turn red after the spanking and not before .

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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    Actually, the Norse also had an underworld. They called it "Hel." However, they also had a place between Hel and the human world, which they called "Svartalfheim," which means "Land of the Dark Elves."

    They also had a place between here and Valhalla, which they called "Alfheim," meaning (intuitively enough) "Land of the Elves."

    And they had a "Land of the Giants," called "Jotunheimr," and a "Land of the Vanir," called "Vanirheimr, opposite of each other and on a level with Midgard, where we live. The giants were somewhat of a destructive menace, and the Vanir were a group of beneficial beings connected with fertility. You can easily see the "masculine" versus "feminine" symmetry here.

    Another example of the symmetry in Norse cosmology were the lands focused on the elements of "fire" and of "ice," called "Muspellheimer" and "Niflheimer."

    Finally, at the topmost was Asgard, where the high gods lived.

    Anyway, Hel was not necessarily an "evil" place in Norse mythology, just kind of scary and dark. They were certainly afraid of it, but they did not have the same concept we do that it was evil. It was just...kind of a place you didn't want to go. I think that, to them, the idea that Hel was an "evil" sort of place was kind of idiotic. To them, the gods had put it there, so it belonged there. It was just as holy in its way as Asgard.

    On the other hand, if I had to spend my afterlife anywhere, it would be in Svartalfheim. I like dark and mysterious places, you see. This is also known as the home of the dwarves, possibly the same people as the "dark elves," who were known to be impeccable craftsmen. However, they were also a surly and rough sort of folk with "faces only a mother could love." My kind of folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Smith View Post
    they were also a surly and rough sort of folk with "faces only a mother could love." My kind of folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    Yes, but did not we earn that Jesus opened that portal with the first resurrection and what of Lazarus? Then there's Elijah and Moses appearing to Jesus. Jesus' Mother Mary appeared 18 times to Bernadette at the grotto in Lourdes. Then there's Our Lady of Ftimas blessed appearance to the three shepherd children being Lcia Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto at Ftima, Portugal on the thirteenth day of six consecutive months in 1917, beginning on May 13.

    Does not The Bible additionally record that Elijah, Elisha, Peter and Paul each individually raised the dead, as well as Jesus?

    There's lots of history there with little to explain the individual transitions between worlds not yet seen as having to exist if we are in any way to believe the sacred claims.
    Those other Portals, the one in which the ancient Prophets entered in would be considered "Limbo", though there are many uses of the term "Hell" in scriptures. Yes, the Blessed Mother has appeared to those dear children of Fatima, and I believe that it did indeed happen. If I'm correct, Saint Dominic raised the dead also. The Dead were raised calling upon the Holy name of Jesus. The one raising th.e dead sure has to have lots of faith in the power of Jesus' name. Even the Devil hates the Holy names of Jesus and Mary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    Yes, the Blessed Mother has appeared to those dear children of Fatima, and I believe that it did indeed happen.
    Interestingly enough, even though I was raised in the Catholic faith, I no longer profess myself as a member of said faith but I too believe in the presence of the Blessed Virgin at Fatima and at Lourdes.

    I realize that my statements on my belief in the Blessed Virgin's presence at both Fatima and Lourdes and my profession of faith seem to be a dichotomy, as two mutually exclusive beliefs, but as of this moment my beliefs are such. Thanks for your dialogue Love me 2.

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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    The Mayans built temples in vast caverns believed to lead to Xibalba where the dead reside. The same applied to cenotes, and both would be the nexus of worship where offerings to the gods were thrown in. However, I doubt that many people today would say with 100% certainly that caves in the Yucatan lead to a mysterious underworld, or any other world that doesn't pertain to the Bible.

    In the end, no one has made any journey to another world that's not laced in myth and legend. As far as I know, there is no jumping between worlds or planes through natural topography that has been consistently done to prove that such places even exist.

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    My postings are designed to stimulate thoughts and process development and as such I want to note that often I post ideas, facts and thoughts that I may or may not particularly agree or disagree with unless of course I state my position either way as being pro or con to said ideas, facts and thoughts. Please do not just assume I agree or disagree with any ideas I may post unless I specifically state my position either way.
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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    I never said that you disagreed or agree with anything; I just gave my opinion on the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemothepanda View Post
    I never said that you disagreed or agree with anything; I just gave my opinion on the topic.
    I know. My post was just a general disclaimer, fully unrelated to anyone else's posting, to ensure that I don't mislead anyone as to my position on any given subject matter. My apologies for any confusion my posting may have caused.

    Now, back on topic.

    I find the ideas and concepts of a heavenly veil quite enlightening. The Gospel of Mark mentions the tearing of the heavens at the baptism of Jesus as well as the tearing of the temple veil at the death of Jesus. I personally speculate as to the meaning of "the temple veil."
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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Wrong. I was not mistaken. And what was I presuming about? I know full well about the Andean region. I am not doing the same in anything. Explain where I was presuming. As far as the coca leaves, I corrected myself on that one. But it's absolutely ridiculous to think that there are parallel realities.

    Giancarlo - Science, which is what you are using as your defense here, absolutely disagrees with you. String theory for one, but quantum mechanics in general, insists that there MUST be parallel realities. It even describes how these realities are laid out; sort of curling over one another. I don't know about shamanism, etc., but I do know that quantum theory depends on parallel universes for it to actually BE a theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nate78 View Post
    String theory for one, but quantum mechanics in general, insists that there MUST be parallel realities.
    Alright, so tell us more about the universal wavefunction theory.

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    Re: Gate to hell has emerged from ruins in southwestern Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    But it's absolutely ridiculous to think that there are parallel realities.


    He who loves to claim science as his foundation...
    shows he doesn't know much.

    This says it well:

    Quote Originally Posted by nate78 View Post
    Giancarlo - Science, which is what you are using as your defense here, absolutely disagrees with you. String theory for one, but quantum mechanics in general, insists that there MUST be parallel realities. It even describes how these realities are laid out; sort of curling over one another. I don't know about shamanism, etc., but I do know that quantum theory depends on parallel universes for it to actually BE a theory.
    But then...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Smith View Post
    Alright, so tell us more about the universal wavefunction theory.
    A total non-sequitur. Are you claiming that the alleged existence of "universal wavefunction theory" established that there are no parallel worlds?

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