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    The daily muscle pumping goes on between the US and North Korea.

    We are now sending a destroyer to the area.

    Does anyone know what N Korea wants? How will Obama react?

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ssile-threats?

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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    NK wants what they always want.

    Attention.

    And more relief aid from the West through extortion in order to not create trouble on the peninsula.

    And the image in their own country of being strong enough to stand up to the west.

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    They want to continue the cycle of charm offensives that the west makes in order to leverage an aid deal.

    This one may be particularly strident because the leader is young and inexperienced.

    North Korea cannot support its population without help, and a failure to operate this way will result in regime collapse.

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    Attention. Much like some right wingers we know. North Korea is all about deflecting attention from the dire straits its citizens are in. American media has screwed up massively. They played into this game that Kim is playing... Kim is milking the American media for all its worth. Meanwhile, the real victims of the dictatorship are ignored.

    Funny it's the Chinese who are playing all their cards right in this. They are tired of the bullshit and feel the North Koreans are ungrateful. China just needs to tell them to shut up.

    The South Korean military is stronger and qualitatively far greater than the North Korean military alone. Kim keeps gaining weight while his citizens starve.

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    There's already a thread in hot topics about this.

    Baby Kim is bluffing. He wants to show the people of NK how tough he is. There's hasn't been any NK troop movements and the joint NK / SK industrial complex across the border is humming along unchanged. He's puffing up his chest for his people.

    What's President Obama going to do about this..... treat it like it is. He's smart enough to take care of and diffuse the situation.

    Thank the Gods this didn't happen when George W Bush / Dick Cheney were in power. The swaggering Texan and the greedy war monger would have sent a quarter of a million American troops in. After invading the country they would have said they were "liberating the people of Korea from a ruthless dictator".

    They would have killed a few million in the process and bankrupt the USA like he almost did when they was in office. Halibutron and Cheney's pals would have made out like the bandits they are.

    Yep, thank the gods the nightmare of Bush / Cheney is almost over but we're still feeling the effects of their crimes and will for another generation or so.
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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?



    thats all he wants......

    We have had a destroyer in the area since 1965.... except now they are required to have the capability to take down specific threats from NK.... so this is news how? Did someone just notice we have a navy and decided to write an article about it?

    The Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System (Aegis BMD) is a United States Department of Defense Missile Defense Agency program developed to provide defense against ballistic missiles. It is part of the United States national missile defense strategy. Aegis BMD (also known as Sea-Based Midcourse) is designed to intercept ballistic missiles post-boost phase and prior to reentry.

    It enables warships to shoot down enemy ballistic missiles, by expanding the Aegis Combat System with the addition of the AN/SPY-1 radar and Standard missile technologies. Aegis BMD-equipped vessels can transmit their target detection information to the Ground-Based Midcourse Defense system and, if needed, engage potential threats using either the SM-2 or SM-3 missile. [1] [2]
    Man I wonder if our navy is smart enough to put ships in some weird location that would be adjacent to a reentry point... like UMMMMM the west coast.... nahhhhhh ... is anyone writing stories about the US Navy being off our own coast......
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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The daily muscle pumping goes on between the US and North Korea.

    We are now sending a destroyer to the area.

    Does anyone know what N Korea wants? How will Obama react?

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ssile-threats?

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    Since the end of WWII, NK has been obsessed with the forced unification with SK. It's nuclear program is in large part working to the day when it can blackmail the US into leaving and SK into submission on a threat to destroy Seoul. If the sanctions back it far enough into the corner, it may think it has no choice but to make the threat.

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    I just wish this little prick would share some of his food with the rest of the starving NK population. We been dealing with his family's dog and pony show forever---the danger is he'll do something like sink a little SK ship, like they did in the past---then we'll have to take some action.

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    China is becoming increasingly angry... duh... China is the US's prime economic partner. China trades $140 billion with South Korea (North Korea's economy alone is only $40 billion).

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9300JO20130401

    (Reuters) - A show of force by U.S. stealth jets over the Korean Peninsula after talk of war by Pyongyang has caused only minor concern in China, a measure of Beijing's belief that the North is to blame for the tensions and that hostilities are not imminent.

    "All these new actions from the U.S. side are not targeted at China," said Ni Lexiong, a military expert at the Shanghai University of Political Science and Law.

    "There is no possible threat to China."

    Another well-connected Chinese military expert, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of discussing Chinese defense policy, said China believed the U.S. presence in Korea acted as a necessary restraint on troublesome Pyongyang, hence the lack of criticism from Beijing.

    Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

    Blame is mostly being put on Kim for leading his country to disaster and the region close to war.

    "Fatty Kim, while you are playing games, your people are starving to death," wrote one user on the popular Twitter-like microblogging site Sina Weibo, blaming Kim for the chronic food insecurity that years of sanctions and economic mismanagement have bought to North Korea.
    China hasn't offered a peep to any of the F-22 or B-2 flights over South Korea. Words are they are extremely angry with North Korea but are trying to deal with it quietly. Chinese websites and blogs, which are heavily monitored by the Chinese government, are also publicly denouncing North Korea... calling Kim "a fatty who is starving his own people".

    China saying nothing is almost tacit support of US policy. The Chinese military is more concerned about the corrupt use of military license plates lol.

    The People's Liberation Army has, instead of issuing any statements about the Korean peninsula, has in recent days focused its attention on new orders to restrict the use of military license plates on cars, part of a graft crackdown.
    (From article above)

    My opinion is China's patience is about running out and if anything were to happen it would seriously damage their economy... so they'll deal with this quietly.

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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    One solution,
    maybe let the Nth Korean leaders travel to see the world like the communists in China and the USSR before?


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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    An expert on NK said China told Lil Kim when he took over, to get his economic act together---make changes---and do what they did many years ago and move toward building an economy and open up the country---Fat Kim was making moves to do this, which included the surreal Dennis Rodman visit---but something happened---experts best guess was that military in NK slapped him down.

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    For what it's worth Springer, thank you for bringing this up. We can thank President Obama for having a cool head instead of the rotten evil Bush / Cheney who would have obliterated them, South Korea and probably us too.

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    I love China's nickname for him. Kim Jong Un "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third"
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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    An expert on NK said China told Lil Kim when he took over, to get his economic act together---make changes---and do what they did many years ago and move toward building an economy and open up the country---Fat Kim was making moves to do this, which included the surreal Dennis Rodman visit---but something happened---experts best guess was that military in NK slapped him down.
    That is entirely feasible.
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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    watched this video for the first time.
    I can see some passed wars, the leaders didn't understand the "art of war" and failed badly such as the war in Vietnam:



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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    Kimmy's just waving his dick around, just like his bat-shit crazy dad used to do. Looks like he truly buys into his father's ridiculous "Best Korea" propaganda, which keeps trying to push the delusion that NK is a superpower that has the US cowering in fear instead of the laughingstock it really is. Uno knows that a lot of people want to put a bullet in his fat head, but he also knows that doing so will start an international shit-storm.

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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    An expert on NK said China told Lil Kim when he took over, to get his economic act together---make changes---and do what they did many years ago and move toward building an economy and open up the country---Fat Kim was making moves to do this, which included the surreal Dennis Rodman visit---but something happened---experts best guess was that military in NK slapped him down.
    Word is that Kimmy Uno is just a puppet for the military leaders, nothing more. That means that he'll be the first to get his brains blown out from 500 yards, while the true ringleaders are packing their bags and making a run for China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That is entirely feasible.
    Pretty much why some Chinese political leaders and businessmen have called the North Koreans ungrateful and unreliable...

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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    North Korea has been "the boy that cries wolf" too many times. I agree with the others in that they are simply looking for attention so they get a whole bunch of economic aid and other goodies out of the deal in return for closing their reactor.

    Best way to deal with them is keep an eye on them, but mostly ignore them.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    It's his aunt and uncle running the military and the country and Jon-Un is just a figure head.

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    Something I found today that shows the relations with NK is Bush's fault. See in 2000 Kim Jong-il sent his second-in-command to DC to meet with Clinton. Clinton's talk grew out of Clinton's '94 accord with Kim Il-sung.
    But nothing happened with Clinton's missile agreement because along came Bush. Remember the "Axis of Evil?" Well in 2000 incoming President Bush declared that North Korea could not be trusted as a negotiating partner and stopped all talks with the DPRK. Read it. It's long but interesting article.
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    http://www.alternet.org/world/north-...t=9&paging=off
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    It’s hard to believe today, but in 2000, Kim Jong-il, dispatched his second-in-command, Vice Marshal Jo Myong-rok, to Washington. There, Jo met in the White House with President Clinton as well as the secretaries of State and Defense. At that time, Clinton officials later said, the United States and the DPRK were on the verge of an agreement in which North Korea was going to end its missile production and testing program in return for guarantees from Washington that the United States would recognize the DPRK and respect its sovereignity. Those talks grew out of Clinton’s 1994 accord with Kim Il-sung – the current leader’s grandfather. North Korea shut down its Soviet-era nuclear power program and the United States, South Korea and Japan agreed to help build a light-water reactor for civilian use and supply fuel oil to fill the gap.

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    But Clinton’s missile agreement was never completed, and in 2000 incoming President Bush declared that North Korea could not be trusted as a negotiating partner and stopped all talks with the DPRK. Then, after the 9/11 attacks, Bush decided to place North Korea in the company of Iran and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq as partners in the “Axis of Evil.” That ended any chance of rapprochment. The hostility only deepened when Bush invaded Iraq and installed a pro-U.S. government – a move that Pyongyang understood as a clear statement of Bush’s intentions in Korea. This was followed in 2002 by U.S. accusations, denied at the time by the DPRK, that it was running a secret uranium facility to build bombs. After that, the earlier Clinton agreement completely unraveled. In 2006, North Korea shocked the world by testing its first atomic bomb (for a detailed timeline of North Korea’s program, click here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Something I found today that shows the relations with NK is Bush's fault. See in 2000 Kim Jong-il sent his second-in-command to DC to meet with Clinton. Clinton's talk grew out of Clinton's '94 accord with Kim Il-sung.
    But nothing happened with Clinton's missile agreement because along came Bush. Remember the "Axis of Evil?" Well in 2000 incoming President Bush declared that North Korea could not be trusted as a negotiating partner and stopped all talks with the DPRK. Read it. It's long but interesting article.
    http://www.salon.com/
    http://www.alternet.org/world/north-...t=9&paging=off
    To be fair to Bush, Lil' Kim Il doesn't seem like the type of person you can negotiate with. King Jong was so obsessed with movies, he kidnapped and enslaved a Korean director so he could make movies at Kimmy's whim. That doesn't sound like someone capable of reasonable, rational thought.

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    Yep ... EVERYTHING is GWB's fault.

    The sun came up this morning -- but now it's cloudy .. it's GWB's fault.

    Get over it man. The Clinton Admin gave him nuclear power technology.

    He and his family are a bunch of weirdoes ... time for the CIA to take them all out.

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Something I found today that shows the relations with NK is Bush's fault. See in 2000 Kim Jong-il sent his second-in-command to DC to meet with Clinton. Clinton's talk grew out of Clinton's '94 accord with Kim Il-sung.
    But nothing happened with Clinton's missile agreement because along came Bush. Remember the "Axis of Evil?" Well in 2000 incoming President Bush declared that North Korea could not be trusted as a negotiating partner and stopped all talks with the DPRK. Read it. It's long but interesting article.
    http://www.salon.com/
    http://www.alternet.org/world/north-...t=9&paging=off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Yep ... EVERYTHING is GWB's fault.

    The sun came up this morning -- but now it's cloudy .. it's GWB's fault.

    Get over it man. The Clinton Admin gave him nuclear power technology.

    He and his family are a bunch of weirdoes ... time for the CIA to take them all out.
    Now you're FINALLY seeing things correctly.


    Besides, do you blame Bush for anything? Anything at all? Or is everything Obama's fault?

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    I knew it would go this way.
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    Re: What Does North Korea Want?

    There's something about this that just doesn't feel right. All of the people familiar with North Korea's past saber rattling have said that this has already gone further than anything we've experienced before. All predicted that if he was just doing this to assert control he would have declared 'victory' this week and moved on.

    It really seems like Fat little Kim wants war, with an end that is not immediately apparent. If he continues this escalation, I wouldn't be shocked if China stepped in and toppled the current North Korean regime to install one less aggressive.

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    The only thing I can see to explain this is that he's desperately trying to appear more of a hawk than his military. To me that says there's a power struggle going on. The worry is that someone there actually believes that they can throw a nuke at someone and it won't have any repercussions at home except in terms of standing in the power struggle -- almost as thought only North Korea is real, and the rest of the world merely a movie or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The only thing I can see to explain this is that he's desperately trying to appear more of a hawk than his military. To me that says there's a power struggle going on. The worry is that someone there actually believes that they can throw a nuke at someone and it won't have any repercussions at home except in terms of standing in the power struggle -- almost as thought only North Korea is real, and the rest of the world merely a movie or something.
    There's speculation his Aunt is pulling the strings and that he has no power at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There's speculation his Aunt is pulling the strings and that he has no power at all.
    Someone should send him some aunt spray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Something I found today that shows the relations with NK is Bush's fault. See in 2000 Kim Jong-il sent his second-in-command to DC to meet with Clinton. Clinton's talk grew out of Clinton's '94 accord with Kim Il-sung.
    But nothing happened with Clinton's missile agreement because along came Bush. Remember the "Axis of Evil?" Well in 2000 incoming President Bush declared that North Korea could not be trusted as a negotiating partner and stopped all talks with the DPRK. Read it. It's long but interesting article.
    http://www.salon.com/
    http://www.alternet.org/world/north-...t=9&paging=off
    Relations would have taken this turn regardless. Once Kim Jong-Il died, this would have happened no matter who was president from 2000-2008.

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    This is the same profile as before. It will net the same result. Negotiations for food for NK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There's something about this that just doesn't feel right. All of the people familiar with North Korea's past saber rattling have said that this has already gone further than anything we've experienced before. All predicted that if he was just doing this to assert control he would have declared 'victory' this week and moved on.

    It really seems like Fat little Kim wants war, with an end that is not immediately apparent. If he continues this escalation, I wouldn't be shocked if China stepped in and toppled the current North Korean regime to install one less aggressive.
    As the Byzantines said while the Christian "crusaders" plundered Constantinople for all its worth on the way to "save" the holy land from the "Moslem horde," <<Be careful what you wish for!!>>

    The only way the WORLD (and the UN, especially) would "condone and commend" a Chinese regime-change was only if Beijing respected the DMZ and the legitimate government of Seoul. Though I doubt giving the Red Dragon a taste of asserting a modern form military Imperialism would be such a good idea..."The Middle Kingdom" has never been one to do anything halfway, when provoked. Taiwan and HK are watching this drama unfold, I'm sure, with bated breath.

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    A former North Korean spy/bomber has spoken to Australian television tonight...

    A former North Korean spy says the country's leader Kim Jong-Un is struggling to win his military's loyalty and is using the nuclear program to keep the public behind him.

    Kim Hyun-Hee, who successfully carried out a mission in 1987 to blow up a South Korean airliner, killing 115 people, says the North's leader is too young and inexperienced.

    "He's struggling to gain complete control over the military and to win their loyalty," she told ABC TV's 7.30 Report on Wednesday.

    "That's why he's doing so many visits to military bases, to firm up support.

    "He's also using the nuclear program as a bargaining chip for aid, to keep the public behind him."
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