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    'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-lesbians?lite



    Same tired, monotonous rhetoric. Roman Catholic "leadership?" Forward to the 11th century. "hate the sin, love the sinner."*
    Translation: go back in the closet... no sex either, or impure thoughts.

    *Love the priest, hate the child-molester."*
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    I thought sure this was an April Fools joke.



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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    I thought sure this was an April Fools joke.
    The article is true, but the OP is the joke. My response to that article:

    The Cardinal is on the right track, but he cannot please everyone in the LGBT Community. I applaud his efforts, in what he is thinking. We have to remember that none of us can claim to be without sin, therefore, none of us are worthy enough to cast the first stone.

    Oh, being Gay or Lesbian is not the sin according to the Catholic Church, it is in the acting out that makes it a sin. There is nothing wrong with a Gay Man or Woman living celibately. Many of you will not like it, but that is the way the Church works in theses things. They work slowly in matters of Faith and Morals, and not to be rushed.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post

    Oh, being Gay or Lesbian is not the sin according to the Catholic Church, it is in the acting out that makes it a sin. There is nothing wrong with a Gay Man or Woman living celibately. Many of you will not like it, but that is the way the Church works in theses things. They work slowly in matters of Faith and Morals, and not to be rushed.
    that's what I was always taught in Catholic (Jesuit) school religion classes... being gay isn't inherently sinful, but having sex without the intent of procreation is (so, gay sex would be a sin along the same lines as heterosexual couples using birth control; something generally ignored and overlooked by the Church in practice)

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Which would be why the world is slowly but surely passing them buy ^_^ I give so little fuck about what those moral Neanderthals think, it's not even funny.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    The article is true, but the OP is the joke. My response to that article:

    The Cardinal is on the right track, but he cannot please everyone in the LGBT Community. I applaud his efforts, in what he is thinking. We have to remember that none of us can claim to be without sin, therefore, none of us are worthy enough to cast the first stone.

    Oh, being Gay or Lesbian is not the sin according to the Catholic Church, it is in the acting out that makes it a sin. There is nothing wrong with a Gay Man or Woman living celibately. Many of you will not like it, but that is the way the Church works in theses things. They work slowly in matters of Faith and Morals, and not to be rushed.
    I hope you are not waiting to live your life until the RC church slowly comes around, because you will likely be long dead and buried in a catholic cemetery before that happens.
    Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    The Cardinal is on the right track, but he cannot please everyone in the LGBT Community. I applaud his efforts, in what he is thinking. We have to remember that none of us can claim to be without sin, therefore, none of us are worthy enough to cast the first stone.
    This of course is missing the point. Applaud his efforts? His position has been stated before by the Catholic church. It means absolutely nothing.

    Oh, being Gay or Lesbian is not the sin according to the Catholic Church, it is in the acting out that makes it a sin. There is nothing wrong with a Gay Man or Woman living celibately. Many of you will not like it, but that is the way the Church works in theses things. They work slowly in matters of Faith and Morals, and not to be rushed.
    Oh that's nice. Nice homophobic position to take. So a gay man or woman must be alone all in their life? The Catholic church isn't stating anything new.

    It's ironic that this institution says crap like "love the sinner, hate the sin"... when they are perfectly fine covering up serious crimes. It's an institution of hypocrites. And now they nominate a pope linked to the kidnapping of two Jesuit priests and one who turned a blind eye to the abuses by the Argentine Military Junta. So I guess kidnapping and murder is fine, but being gay isn't? And I say this as one who was once a Catholic... never again.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    The article is true, but the OP is the joke. My response to that article:

    The Cardinal is on the right track, but he cannot please everyone in the LGBT Community. I applaud his efforts, in what he is thinking. We have to remember that none of us can claim to be without sin, therefore, none of us are worthy enough to cast the first stone.

    Oh, being Gay or Lesbian is not the sin according to the Catholic Church, it is in the acting out that makes it a sin. There is nothing wrong with a Gay Man or Woman living celibately. Many of you will not like it, but that is the way the Church works in theses things. They work slowly in matters of Faith and Morals, and not to be rushed.
    And this shows the evils of Catholic doctrine. All major psychological and scientific organizations say that there is nothing wrong with homosexual sex. Further more it is not psychologically healthy for anyone to live lives of sexual deprivation and any god or religion that would have gays live miserable lives of romantic and sexual deprivation is not a good god or religion at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    that's what I was always taught in Catholic (Jesuit) school religion classes... being gay isn't inherently sinful, but having sex without the intent of procreation is (so, gay sex would be a sin along the same lines as heterosexual couples using birth control; something generally ignored and overlooked by the Church in practice)
    The Catholic Church is wrong. Sex is not just sheerly about procreation it is about pleasure as well. Animals in nature have sex for both procreation and pleasure and many animals have gay sex as well. Plus with how overpopulated the world is we could do without some procreating.
    Last edited by Mariatenebre; April 1st, 2013 at 01:12 PM.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    I hope you are not waiting to live your life until the RC church slowly comes around, because you will likely be long dead and buried in a catholic cemetery before that happens.
    I am living my life as I see fit, not as the Gay community would have me live. I am not the typical Gay Man who has to have sex in order to have a certain degree of Happiness. Even if I wasn't Religious, I'd still be thinking in the same manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    And this shows the evils of Catholic doctrine. All major psychological and scientific organizations say that there is nothing wrong with homosexual sex. Further more it is not psychologically healthy for anyone to live lives of sexual deprivation and any god or religion that would have gays live miserable lives of romantic and sexual deprivation is not a good god or religion at all.


    The Catholic Church is wrong. Sex is not just sheerly about procreation it is about pleasure as well. Animals in nature have sex for both procreation and pleasure and many animals have gay sex as well. Plus with how overpopulated the world is we could do without some procreating.
    You don't give links to the "evidences", and You are in no position to judge the Church as being wrong.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    I am living my life as I see fit, not as the Gay community would have me live. I am not the typical Gay Man who has to have sex in order to have a certain degree of Happiness. Even if I wasn't Religious, I'd still be thinking in the same manner.
    Don't misunderstand me. I, too, am a believer (not Catholic). The gay community (whatever that may be) does not dictate my life either. If you are waiting to experience love (not just sex) until the Catholic church validates it, you won't live that long.
    If you are happy living your life as you are now, I am happy for you.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-lesbians?lite



    Same tired, monotonous rhetoric. Roman Catholic "leadership?" Forward to the 11th century. "hate the sin, love the sinner."*
    Translation: go back in the closet... no sex either, or impure thoughts.

    *Love the priest, hate ignore, send to another parish, hide, lie about the child-molester."*
    Corrected that for you

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    I am living my life as I see fit, not as the Gay community would have me live. I am not the typical Gay Man who has to have sex in order to have a certain degree of Happiness. Even if I wasn't Religious, I'd still be thinking in the same manner.
    That's interesting... who here have said sex is what makes them happy? I like cuddling and being romantic, but religion thinks even that is a sin because I do it with another guy. A guy I have dated for a long time now. But love is a sin. Time to get rid of that mentality.

    That's why countries like Spain and Argentina don't give a fuck about the Catholic Church anymore. Cristina Fernandez said it well enough:



    She addressed the myopic Catholic Church in this statement. Paraphrasing her... the Catholic Church is trying to bring society back to the middle ages.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    We have to remember that none of us can claim to be without sin, therefore, none of us are worthy enough to cast the first stone.

    Old joke: Jesus says, "Let those who are without sin cast the first stone." A rock flies by his head, he looks out at the crowd, and says, "OK, cut it out Mom."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynicus View Post
    We have to remember that none of us can claim to be without sin, therefore, none of us are worthy enough to cast the first stone.

    Old joke: Jesus says, "Let those who are without sin cast the first stone." A rock flies by his head, he looks out at the crowd, and says, "OK, cut it out Mom."
    Yup, His Mom was, and still is the only Human being that can make the claim, but she will never use that claim, or even make the Claim, as she refers all cases to her Son. It was Mary who was conceived with out any stain of sin on her soul, ie; it's why we call it the Immaculate Conception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    That's interesting... who here have said sex is what makes them happy? I like cuddling and being romantic, but religion thinks even that is a sin because I do it with another guy. A guy I have dated for a long time now. But love is a sin. Time to get rid of that mentality.

    That's why countries like Spain and Argentina don't give a fuck about the Catholic Church anymore. Cristina Fernandez said it well enough:




    She addressed the myopic Catholic Church in this statement. Paraphrasing her... the Catholic Church is trying to bring society back to the middle ages.
    I'm sure that Pope Francis, while still a Cardinal, may have already corrected her on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    Don't misunderstand me. I, too, am a believer (not Catholic). The gay community (whatever that may be) does not dictate my life either. If you are waiting to experience love (not just sex) until the Catholic church validates it, you won't live that long.
    If you are happy living your life as you are now, I am happy for you.
    Thanks for your understanding. I may not find love here in this life, but I assure you that there is no greater Love than what comes from above, even in this life. Therefore, I need not the Love Man can give, but the Love God can give. I don't need to wait for Love.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    What's up with the sermons?

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    I don't mind the sermons as much as I mind the smug, condescending, better than Thou attitude that has come to the party as their "plus one."

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Dolan pretty much revealed he is a right wing GOPer early on when he arrived here---he practically said don't vote for Obama--I wanted him to be like the nebbish sissy we had before him---but he's dialed it back a bit---someone must have told him we have separation of church and state here----his comments about gays sound like what "compassionate" GOP leaders say.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    I am living my life as I see fit, not as the Gay community would have me live. I am not the typical Gay Man who has to have sex in order to have a certain degree of Happiness. Even if I wasn't Religious, I'd still be thinking in the same manner.
    So welcome back Mikey.



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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

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    I'm sure that Pope Francis, while still a Cardinal, may have already corrected her on that.
    Absolutely false. Pope Francis was the one that was criticizing Fernandez, and Pope Francis is 100% wrong on this matter. Why defend a guy who was involved in the kidnapping of two priests and turns a blind eye to the kidnappings by the military junta? Why make excuses for the errors of the Catholic Church?

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    I am living my life as I see fit, not as the Gay community would have me live. I am not the typical Gay Man who has to have sex in order to have a certain degree of Happiness. Even if I wasn't Religious, I'd still be thinking in the same manner.
    No you live your life in a self hating fashion. You deny yourself love and intimacy for an absurd reason based on a primative religious idea that has been debunked by science and psychology.
    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    You don't give links to the "evidences", and You are in no position to judge the Church as being wrong.
    Here is the first piece of evidence gay animals who do not have sex for purely procreative means.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ior_in_animals

    Also this article
    http://gawker.com/5520304/warning-ce...to-your-health

    It is the consensus of the scientific and psychological community that celibacy is not healthy for anyone. Humans like all animals are sexual creatures and have sexual needs. Living a misrable life devoid of romantic and sexual intimacy is not good for anyone. Like so many gays you have been programed to hate your sexuality and wish to live a life of romantic and sexual deprivation in spite of the fact that all major scientific and psychological groups say that there is nothing wrong with gay sex and that in order to be psychologically healthy gays like all people must express their sexuality.

    Also I am fully in a position to judge the Church wrong as I am a logical and reason based person. Plus all biologists and psychologists consider the Church wrong on sex. We know that sex is for both pleasure and procreation and that species have sex for both of these reasons. In fact the main reasons animals have sex is for pleasure and procreation is merely a side effect. However there are some animals which are gay which purely have non procreative sex and it is only gay humans who have been brainwashed by evil religions like Catholicism that feel the need to suppress their sexuality and live miserable lives of deprivation in order to fulfill the command of a deranged god.
    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    I'm sure that Pope Francis, while still a Cardinal, may have already corrected her on that.
    No she corrected Pope Francis. Pope Francis made numerous lies and false information about gay people like saying that gay couples raising kids is child abuse. This woman works to give gays equal rights and you would support someone who would discriminate against you. This is self hatred to the extreme.
    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    Thanks for your understanding. I may not find love here in this life, but I assure you that there is no greater Love than what comes from above, even in this life. Therefore, I need not the Love Man can give, but the Love God can give. I don't need to wait for Love.
    Unless Jesus is going to come down from Heaven and have sex with you then spiritual love is not equal to physical love and will definitely leave you unsatisfied. Humans are sexual creatures and we need this intimacy in order to be happy. Your denial of your sexuality is denounced by all mainstream scientific and psychological groups as being unhealthy.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    No you live your life in a self hating fashion. You deny yourself love and intimacy for an absurd reason based on a primative religious idea that has been debunked by science and psychology.

    Here is the first piece of evidence gay animals who do not have sex for purely procreative means.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ior_in_animals

    Also this article
    http://gawker.com/5520304/warning-ce...to-your-health

    It is the consensus of the scientific and psychological community that celibacy is not healthy for anyone. Humans like all animals are sexual creatures and have sexual needs. Living a misrable life devoid of romantic and sexual intimacy is not good for anyone. Like so many gays you have been programed to hate your sexuality and wish to live a life of romantic and sexual deprivation in spite of the fact that all major scientific and psychological groups say that there is nothing wrong with gay sex and that in order to be psychologically healthy gays like all people must express their sexuality.

    Also I am fully in a position to judge the Church wrong as I am a logical and reason based person. Plus all biologists and psychologists consider the Church wrong on sex. We know that sex is for both pleasure and procreation and that species have sex for both of these reasons. In fact the main reasons animals have sex is for pleasure and procreation is merely a side effect. However there are some animals which are gay which purely have non procreative sex and it is only gay humans who have been brainwashed by evil religions like Catholicism that feel the need to suppress their sexuality and live miserable lives of deprivation in order to fulfill the command of a deranged god.


    No she corrected Pope Francis. Pope Francis made numerous lies and false information about gay people like saying that gay couples raising kids is child abuse. This woman works to give gays equal rights and you would support someone who would discriminate against you. This is self hatred to the extreme.

    Unless Jesus is going to come down from Heaven and have sex with you then spiritual love is not equal to physical love and will definitely leave you unsatisfied. Humans are sexual creatures and we need this intimacy in order to be happy. Your denial of your sexuality is denounced by all mainstream scientific and psychological groups as being unhealthy.

    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6...and-longevity/

    I will be searching for more, and post later in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6...and-longevity/

    I will be searching for more, and post later in the day.
    Posting a link from some forum? Celibacy is linked to longevity? Highly doubt it. Ever heard of depression? Seriously, don't try that line on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post

    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6...and-longevity/

    I will be searching for more, and post later in the day.
    You jest surely? Hasn't this gone on long enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6...and-longevity/

    I will be searching for more, and post later in the day.
    And if you read anything beyond the first post you would have seen that the other posters posted things that refuted this nonsense. Celibacy does not lead to longevity and in fact causes mental stress and problems. Healthy people have healthy sex.
    http://www.forawe.com/news.php?viewStory=122
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Effects-of...acy&id=1260894
    To quote this article.
    "Celibacy may lead to psychological problems. Some celibates who say they have no difficulty with sexual suppression nonetheless develop symptoms such as irritability, insomnia, somatization, or clinical depression," Renshaw added.

    Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/1260894
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    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6...and-longevity/

    I will be searching for more, and post later in the day.
    This one can also relate to celibate Men:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ing-I-did.html

    and here's another one that Men can look into also:
    http://www.care2.com/greenliving/20-...cy.html?page=2

    One last one for the night, then it is Nity Nite to all on these boards:
    http://jaredbangerter.hubpages.com/h...ts-of-Celibacy

    There are tons more out there in GoogleLand.

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    Oh wow... how ridiculous. A blog article written by some lady, and two dubious websites... celibacy leads to more depression pretty much... and psychological problems. More stamina? I highly doubt it. That third article made a bunch of stupid claims and didn't bother backing up a single one of them by the way. It was written by some hack in Idaho... another blog article.

    There is absolutely no evidence to suggest celibacy helps ones own health. In fact there is strong evidence it is psychologically damaging.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Love me 2 View Post
    This one can also relate to celibate Men:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ing-I-did.html

    and here's another one that Men can look into also:
    http://www.care2.com/greenliving/20-...cy.html?page=2

    One last one for the night, then it is Nity Nite to all on these boards:
    http://jaredbangerter.hubpages.com/h...ts-of-Celibacy

    There are tons more out there in GoogleLand.
    And you basically have no scientific or psychological evidence other then one person allegedly crediting celibacy to longevity, a site noting some "positive" aspects of celibacy and some mystical unscientific crap from some Buddhists. I posted actual scientific links as well as the findings of mainstream Psychologists that celibacy leads to depression. You have nothing to post other then hearsay and mystical nonsense that has nothing to do with science.

    Post some findings by actual scientists and psychologists [Text: Removed]. Which you can't because the findings of mainstream psychology is that celibacy is not psychologically healthy. Humans are sexual creatures and denying our nature is not good for us.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Love me 2, do you realize what a joke this is? You are talking about celibacy on a GAY PORN site. Which, I may note, you came on and registered. Cut the crap please, and go thump that bible somewhere else.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    At least the church is trying, I respect that.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Moving so glacially...wait, glaciers are faster. The people who make up the Church will get it...in fact, many do "get it" now, way before the leaders of the Church will. I'd rather have just a total silence on gay issues from the Church than any condescending " We love you, God loves you, just don't actually "be" gay with anyone" crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by layton View Post
    At least the church is trying, I respect that.
    ..........
    Very.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Celibacy does not make you live longer. It only seems longer.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    Celibacy does not make you live longer. It only seems longer.
    sixthson won the thread.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by layton View Post
    At least the church is trying, I respect that.
    The church is hardly trying. They are saying that gays must live lives of sexual deprivation in order to be spiritually sound. That is monstrous.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    that's what I was always taught in Catholic (Jesuit) school religion classes... being gay isn't inherently sinful, but having sex without the intent of procreation is (so, gay sex would be a sin along the same lines as heterosexual couples using birth control; something generally ignored and overlooked by the Church in practice)
    That is so much bullshit.

    The problem is that the Roman church has willingly committed idolatry by exalting Aristotle above the Bible. It began before him, but Thomas Aquinas was the one who twisted everything catholic into an Aristotelian form, and that has been since made the official position of Roman theology. Nothing in scripture says that sex is only for procreation; in fact, the opening part of Genesis itself puts a limit on procreation while nowhere is there any limit put on sex: when God commands humans to "be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth", it's a command that He's given to all His creatures; since elsewhere it's made clear that He values all His creatures, the limit to procreation comes when humans start to crowd out other creatures (as we would say these days, other species). Perhaps making sure there could be offspring from sex might have been a valid position in the past, what Rome ought to be teaching now is population control.

    But the point is that since actual Christian teaching (as opposed to twisting it with Greek philosophy) does not require sex to be for procreation, Dolan (along with his boss) is full of excrement.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    A
    The Catholic Church is wrong. Sex is not just sheerly about procreation it is about pleasure as well. Animals in nature have sex for both procreation and pleasure and many animals have gay sex as well. Plus with how overpopulated the world is we could do without some procreating.
    To know that sex is about pleasure, one merely needs read the Song of Songs (Song of Solomon), which celebrates that intimacy without making any point at all about bringing children along.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by cynicus View Post
    Old joke: Jesus says, "Let those who are without sin cast the first stone." A rock flies by his head, he looks out at the crowd, and says, "OK, cut it out Mom."
    It's a joke funny but tragic to those who understand that Roman theology is idolatrous when it comes to Mary, clearly contradicting plain scripture that declares that all humans are sinners except the One Savior.


    edit: The "Immaculate Conception", meaning Mary, is a heresy, and quite blasphemous: it means that God could have created all of us without sin, but chose not to, thus turning the whole Incarnation into some masochistic parlor game.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by layton View Post
    At least the church is trying, I respect that.
    "Trying", they certainly are!

    Sensible people asked God to teach them patience, and He sent the Roman church.


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    Celibacy does not make you live longer. It only seems longer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    sixthson won the thread.
    I second that!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's a joke funny but tragic to those who understand that Roman theology is idolatrous when it comes to Mary, clearly contradicting plain scripture that declares that all humans are sinners except the One Savior.


    edit: The "Immaculate Conception", meaning Mary, is a heresy, and quite blasphemous: it means that God could have created all of us without sin, but chose not to, thus turning the whole Incarnation into some masochistic parlor game.
    A link to what the Immaculate Conception really is....

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    I love that there is a link saying what one of the most major philosophic instances in the entire human history "really" is.

    I am beginning to think religion in the US will die of stupidity...
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    This reminds me of the disparity between the Holy See and the average Catholic. The former still keeps its antediluvian credos based on archaic superstitions, while the later has embraced modern science and reason, as we've seen with heavily catholic nations like Spain, Argentina, and Uruguay enacting marriage equality. Really, many Catholics in the western world don't have an issue with homosexuality or same-sex marriage in theory or practice. So long as their church isn't forced to go against its traditions, they're all for civil equality.

    It's quite sad really.

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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    How many Christian hating threads does CEP need to have?

    I get it and think everyone else does too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    How many Christian hating threads does CEP need to have?

    I get it and think everyone else does too.
    Says the guy with an average of 40 Obama hating threads here per month. Not so sweet on the receiving end, is it?

    And Christianity has done more to harm us than Obama has done to harm you.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    But Rolyo "GOD" isn't responsible for man's sins - he only created us, the world, wrote the bib.....



    never mind.
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    Re: 'I love you, too': Cardinal Dolan says Catholic Church must embrace gays and lesbians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's a joke funny but tragic to those who understand that Roman theology is idolatrous when it comes to Mary, clearly contradicting plain scripture that declares that all humans are sinners except the One Savior.


    edit: The "Immaculate Conception", meaning Mary, is a heresy, and quite blasphemous: it means that God could have created all of us without sin, but chose not to, thus turning the whole Incarnation into some masochistic parlor game.
    Of course one of the reasons for Mary's elevated position in Catholicism was because of a need for a Divine Mother figure. Christianity is a patriarchal religion and forbids and worship of a Divine Female figure and has a God which although said to have no gender is functionally and relationally masculine. So Mary was given a high place in order to fill the gaping hole of the Divine Mother in Christianity. However notice still that in the religion's patriarchy that she is merely Yahweh's servant and not a equal figure like Goddesses of old. Although she is the first non divine figure in history to have the title of Queen of Heaven. Of course the Collyridians took Mary and gave her Divine worship regardless of what the church said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    To know that sex is about pleasure, one merely needs read the Song of Songs (Song of Solomon), which celebrates that intimacy without making any point at all about bringing children along.
    Well whether Solomon existed or not one thing is clear is that he had a whole lot of women. He had wives and concubines and you know he wasn't having sex with them just to get them pregnant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    How many Christian hating threads does CEP need to have?

    I get it and think everyone else does too.
    Why shouldn't we hate Christianity it is a primative, sexist, homophobic and barbaric cult. It should be fought against like it's evil younger brother Islam.
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