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    Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/Gay-son...200686251.html

    Portman still deserves some grief but he deserves far more credit then he's gotten in supporting and loving his son. Keep in mind the family above forced their son into conversion therapy.

    It should also be noted (i'm not sure if they are still dating) the son is/was dating the cousin of U.S. Senator Jeff Flake,who hasn't changed his position on gay marriage either despite having a gay family member. That cousin was also forced into therapy.

    It's why I won't ever fully condemn Portman. Already he is facing threats of being primaried even though his election will be three years away. Whatever his motives are,he stands behind his son,something these other sorry excuses for human beings won't do.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Oh I agree. Portman deserves praise for, if nothing else, getting a whole lot of other senators and politicians to come out in support of homos getting married even though it isn't about them or their family personally.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Yeah... it was amazing after Portman broke the ice as a Republican, democrats galore were crawling out of the wood work to be on the right side of history.

    I was blessed with a family that told me when i came out... "yeah we knew. Just waited for you to come to it in your own time" ... "Pass the bread"

    Literally like nothing had happened... hmm maybe I should get a complex over that..........
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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Yeah... it was amazing after Portman broke the ice as a Republican, democrats galore were crawling out of the wood work to be on the right side of history.

    I was blessed with a family that told me when i came out... "yeah we knew. Just waited for you to come to it in your own time" ... "Pass the bread"

    Literally like nothing had happened... hmm maybe I should get a complex over that..........
    JayHawk, I don't know if you have shared this with us........but how has it been for you in the Navy, post DADT?

    Were you always "out" in the military, or did you wait until after DADT was repealed? Or are you still closeted to most of your military brothers & sisters? How is it like being an openly gay man in the military in 2013?
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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    it is ... well just relieving. I was open with some and closed to other previously. Mostly because their were legal ramifications to admitting your were gay to the wrong person. Now that veil is lifted.

    I am openly gay in that I speak of my ex-ex since he lives with me again. Yet for those I would normally never have a personal conversation with i don't make it a point to ensure they know I am gay. it is just a normal part of life now... I have had to correct some folks making gay jokes but I did that before DADT fell. Discrimination and bashing folks is wrong no matter the law on serving.

    So all in all it is huge relief for me.
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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Totally agree. Portman had plenty of reasons not to publicly announce support for gay marriage but he did anyway. He gets more credit than flak in my book.

    Even Dick Cheney didn't have the stones to do it until he was out of office.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    True and if we can embrace President Obama for having a public change of heart then we should embrace Portman in that respect as well.
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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    True and if we can embrace President Obama for having a public change of heart then we should embrace Portman in that respect as well.
    Exactly. Hell, I saw a lot of the same people who slammed Portman praise Hillary Clinton for her support of marriage equality, despite the fact that it took, by estimation, almost zero political courage for her to finally do it.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    it is ... well just relieving. I was open with some and closed to other previously. Mostly because their were legal ramifications to admitting your were gay to the wrong person. Now that veil is lifted.

    I am openly gay in that I speak of my ex-ex since he lives with me again. Yet for those I would normally never have a personal conversation with i don't make it a point to ensure they know I am gay. it is just a normal part of life now... I have had to correct some folks making gay jokes but I did that before DADT fell. Discrimination and bashing folks is wrong no matter the law on serving.

    So all in all it is huge relief for me.
    Thank you for sharing, JayHawk.

    And thank you for your service to our country.
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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Exactly. Hell, I saw a lot of the same people who slammed Portman praise Hillary Clinton for her support of marriage equality, despite the fact that it took, by estimation, almost zero political courage for her to finally do it.
    When was Hillary Clinton against gay marriage? Love it when people try to derail a thread.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    When was Hillary Clinton against gay marriage? Love it when people try to derail a thread.
    Did I say she was against gay marriage?

    She never announced support for it until just recently.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Did I say she was against gay marriage?

    She never announced support for it until just recently.
    Fair Enough.

    But then again, who is giving Portman grief? I think even I gave him credit for announcing support in light of a incredibly hostile party?

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    The commenters on Towleroad were pretty ruthless. :-x Then again, they like to bitch about anything and everything.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    I have a lot of regard for Rob Portman's actions....Salmon is too afraid to do the right thing despite saying how much he loves his son. Ultimately, he isn't supporting him by his continued stance against gay marriage...the way he puts it shows he would like to "evolve" but for either religion or politics hasn't "evolved" there yet. The Senator Jeff Flake cousin being forced into "therapy"... that's the worst of all... yep, Portman does deserve a lot of credit for just doing the right thing by his son, and for other gay parents and children.
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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    To MSNBC's credit,several people there including Lawrence O'Donnell,Rachel Maddow, Melissa Harris-Perry,Howard Fineman and Krystal Ball HAVE called out the Democrats for jumping on the gay marriage bandwagon now instead of 2012,Lawrence in particular being critical of Bill Clinton for his role in DOMA.
    Jon Tester of Montana also has a gay son,yet didn't come out for full marriage equality even after he got safety reelected. And for those speaking on Portman not talking about Ohio's gay marriage ban,Tester isn't doing that much to get rid of Montana's either.
    Keep in mind Portman IS facing a backlash for supporting his son. The Christian groups that helped in 2010 have made it clear they will try and get him primaried in 2015/16. Quite a bit of fanmail on his facebook page as well.
    So while Portman's past record can't be ignored,as I've said before,unlike so many other Republicians,he is willing to support his son and not keep him a second class citizen to keep parts of the Reich wing base happy.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    I have a lot of regard for Rob Portman's actions....Salmon is too afraid to do the right thing despite saying how much he loves his son. Ultimately, he isn't supporting him by his continued stance against gay marriage...the way he puts it shows he would like to "evolve" but for either religion or politics hasn't "evolved" there yet. The Senator Jeff Flake cousin being forced into "therapy"... that's the worst of all... yep, Portman does deserve a lot of credit for just doing the right thing by his son, and for other gay parents and children.
    Sad to say Saucy but many of them believe it's a choice,just like choosing to do drugs or steal and thus can't be supported. The sheer number of LGBT homeless youth tells us that.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx...=1&Category=26

    He's a bigot but supports the ENDA and the repeal of DADT. Makes no sense to me. Keep in mind he has a gay cousin.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...out-shift.html

    Just one more. Do they not realize that by 2016 many of the people that voted for the amendment and Georgie Bush will be dead by then?

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    When was Hillary Clinton against gay marriage? Love it when people try to derail a thread.
    What happened to GiancarloC? He's gone.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...out-shift.html

    Just one more. Do they not realize that by 2016 many of the people that voted for the amendment and Georgie Bush will be dead by then?
    One can only hope.

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    Re: Just another reminder about Rob Portman

    I don't think he'll get booted out over this. Any further to the right, and that person won't get elected.
    But make no mistake,the fury he's facing is what is happening in the GOP right know as it swings further to the right.
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