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    Guardian update

    SO the US Navy really screwed the pooch. There are conflicting bits of information, the Navy is doing its damnedest to prevent further harm while extracting the USS Guardian from the protected reef. Yet, to that end, we are cutting up a very expensive ship that is now a pile of steal and wood with no soul. It is heartbreaking on so many different levels. The loss of irreplaceable tropical reefs, the loss of a ship that has the heart and soul of men devoted to her, loss of political face in the region that we work so hard to earn, loss of the precious treasure in tax dollars that the public entrust with the men and women of the Navy. It is bad folks.

    Before anyone makes this a political hot potato, let me add that Ships at sea have mishaps. It happens during peacetime, wartime and it is always addressed and unique conditions are addressed via policy, dereliction is addressed through termination or legal action.

    I will be very interested in the validity with which Rachel Maddow reports this story. She says she is obsessed with the story. She does an excellent expose on the entire situation in the following video clip:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/n...56699#51356699

    I posted the words in case your video access is shite:

    >>> okay, fair warning. i am obsessed with this story. this is the uss guardian stuck off the coast of the philippines. a giant ship being stuck on something is never a good thing. but this one happened to get stuck specifically on a unesco world heritage site, embedding its rudders in the middle of a national park in the philippines. early on once we got stuck on it, the plan was to tow the reef off at high tide. that did not work. in fact, the mine sweeper only got more stuck. ultimately the navy had to give up the ship. navy agreed for the first time in 40 years to scrap the ship. this $277 million mine sweeper. they hired giant crane ships to lift the pieces off the reef and dump them onto a barge. the first crane ship to arrive was this one, and could do it. plan b was to wait for a ship that uses gps to stay in place. but once the succeed ship arrived, the weather got rough so they still couldn't get started. the salvage operation finally began at the end of february, more than a month after the uss guardian got stuck on the reef. they started with stuff like the mast. then early in march, the whole bridge, look, that whole deck of the ship, was lifted off the ship by crane. and then the truly amazing part. preparing this 224-foot-long ship to be cut into four pieces, through the hull. to make the cuts, the supervisor of sal individual said this week, we have had to painstakingly clear about a two- foot path in the ship, removing everything in our way. they had divers using chain saws and underwater cutting tools to just cut a two-foot-wide straight line through the ship, leading ultimately to this. yes, that is a cross-section of a u.s. navy mine sweeper, the first piece of the ship being craned into the area yesterday, weighing 250 tons. they hoisted it up using one of the crane ships. they dumped it on the barge, and then went back for more. that piece was followed today by another section. an approximately 200-ton piece of the ship containing the auxiliary motor room. so that leaves two pieces of the ship still left on the reef but ready to go. it's expected to be completed by the end of next week, and the remaining 990 tons of steel should be lifted out of there the week after that. meanwhile, on land, as you might imagine, this has sparked anti-american anger in the philippines. shortly after it happened, protesters threw paint at those guarding it in manila. look, they've got guys in scuba suits out there with tape measures recording the exact amount of reef we have damaged. we are going to have to pay a by the inch fine. there is still no word on why it got stuck in the first piece, but once it is taken out of the way, authorities will concentrate on finding the answer.
    The video is worth the watch, it is compelling for me at least. Watching a commissioned U.S. Navy Ship cut into pieces is hard but captivating.

    I also do not know the answer to the problem that caused this tragedy.
    • There was an electronic chart error discovered
    • The skipper was relieved of Duty but had not been formally fired. (Yet)
    • The Navy will got to all lengths necessary and they will assign blame to many. Of that, I have no doubt


    I do see that Rachel notes the Filipino protest at the US Embassy. I do not doubt their anger but I also know that Filipinos protest a lot of things, so I am unsure how accurate the portrayal is or if it means anything for the leadership in the Philippines.

    I am sure we will get the random. It is Obama's fault bullshit and the OMG we should never have a military ever never ever folks who seem to be cut of the same clothe just with left or right seasoning.

    What I wonder is do any of you think we should not be the world over on oceans, engaging allies, protecting the freedom of the seas and providing a world wide launching platform for the final tool of diplomacy?
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    Re: Guardian update

    My ship had a bad fire with casualities and was finally put to rest (sunk). I hated hearing about it...I have lots of pictures when she was pristine.

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    I was not crew of the Guardian but it really kills me to see it cut up. I understand what goes into one... you do as well. It is the right course of action but it is a bitch to observe. If the investigation turns up the digital folks failed at their due diligence in anyway then by Navy tradition someone in command of that should fry. Yet I don't see the brass eating a Admiral they way they chew up officers of lower ranks. They already admitted a major chart error in the ECDIS-N (Electronic chart program). If a CO of a ship makes a grave error they are relieved immediately. The guy who bottoms lines our charts is a Rear Admiral. So is it the same concept? RADM White just assumed command in August. SO I understand fully that you can not change an organization that has issues immediately. Hell look at my other thread about the VA. Ret Gen Eric Shinseki WANTS to fix the VA but gargantuan organizations are sometimes impossible to change in under a decade. Still he is in charge. His organization transmits the charts directly to the fleet units. The only thing left to investigate is what was occurring on watch at the time of the incident. Even if the crew had electronic charts that had an error did they shift to a finer vernier?

    I know they had issues getting the four anchor salvage ship setting up to remove but I imagine a great deal of the delay was due to investigative needs. I just wonder what the hold up is... it should be done and on the street by now... Who is responsible and who will pay a price?


    All of that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of how we repair the reef and to a lesser extent repair our relations in the regions and with the Filipino people.
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    Re: Guardian update

    I think the US should announce that the Pueblo is being decommissioned and to be sunk as an artificial reef habitat, then it should do it.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Guardian update

    They will work that out once heads cool... but yes I see an artificial reef supplement just as we have done all around our coast.... they are quite successful... costly to clean up a ship to that degree but well worth it...
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    Yes I suppose I'm being a bit shit-disturber-y there but I think it should just be unilaterally "decommissioned" and sunk, to make the point.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I doubt it... do you know how long they deliberated on which carrier to send to replace the Kitty Hawk? All the regional symbolism considerations... it is complex. I know it makes a political point and therefore it would have a shit result overseas. Something symbolic will go there and it wont be used to piss in anyone's Wheaties. I wouldn't be surprised if we dug a mothball ship out from WWII. Restoration and protection for the sovereign country then. Restoration and protection for the reef now.
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    This is the first I've heard about it. That's horrible. I just wonder how many scapegoats get the axe. I think the most sad stories were about the subs that sank and not recovered. Of course, you can go to Pearl Harbor and look at the USS ARIZONA.
    My destroyer was sold to Taiwan and then sunk as an artificial reef. Saddens me to hear that. It was a beautiful destroyer. But before selling it they sent it to Boston to be remodeled. It took away all the beauty of it.
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    Re: Guardian update

    Sic Transit Gloria.

    Nothing sadder to see than a dying ship or a burning barn or church.

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    Re: Guardian update

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    This is the first I've heard about it. That's horrible. I just wonder how many scapegoats get the axe. I think the most sad stories were about the subs that sank and not recovered. Of course, you can go to Pearl Harbor and look at the USS ARIZONA.
    My destroyer was sold to Taiwan and then sunk as an artificial reef. Saddens me to hear that. It was a beautiful destroyer. But before selling it they sent it to Boston to be remodeled. It took away all the beauty of it.
    It is sad but I think becoming a reef is quite possibly the best possible ending for a ship. It continues to serve forever the seas it rode upon. Unlike my first ship which many of you may have shaved with after she was cut up and sold for scrap.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Sic Transit Gloria.

    Nothing sadder to see than a dying ship or a burning barn or church.
    How beautifully apt...

    Sic transit gloria mundi
    How doth the busy bee,
    Dum vivimus vivamus,
    I stay my enemy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    It is sad but I think becoming a reef is quite possibly the best possible ending for a ship. It continues to serve forever the seas it rode upon. Unlike my first ship which many of you may have shaved with after she was cut up and sold for scrap.



    How beautifully apt...
    Ok, looking at it that way it is still serving the seas. Thanks.
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