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    The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    Now before you say, "Whaaaaa? JB18, you crazy!" take a look at this article published by Politico:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2OmblccQb

    In a mostly hidden subtext of the gay marriage debate, a lot of Republicans would be thrilled with the most far-reaching court decision possible. This is the only way, they reckon, to take the issue out of an electoral arena in which it is increasingly bringing them little but grief.


    I find it fascinating, and it makes perfect sense. Remove the polarizing element that the party knows is bigotry, and they are now liberated to advocate what is most important to them: More for the few, and less for all. Basically, the GOP can say, "Well, I'm sorry, but those liberal activist judges struck down your precious One Man, One Woman Amendments. But if you elect us, we'll put justices on the bench who vouch for good ol' family values." It's a cop-out that the Republicans only have to gain. Democrats are becoming more popular because Latinos are demanding immigration reform more, and the homosexual agenda is brainwashing the American people to believe in them. If the Supreme Court takes out the homosexual argument, then the Republicans have a win-win situation. Which is likely, considering many of the Conservative Justices are more aligned with the true Republican ideology over social conservatism.

    What say you? Does a settled gay debate in the Supreme Court and a bipartisan Immigration Reform bill put the Republican Party back on the map?
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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    They want SCOTUS to decide instead of drawing out a long attrition battle in each state which they know they will lose in the long-run.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    That's basically what I said in this post...

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post8775192

    and then again in this one...

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post8775302

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    ...It's also what Rush Limbaugh has been saying.

    But, I don't think we're going to get SCOTUS to grant us marriage equality. As everyone is saying, the sentiment of this court seems to be to give us ~40 states without marriage equality, and ~10 states with.

    Which is going to hurt the Republican Party significantly.

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    So to sum it up... they want it so they can cry foul and bitch about an activist Supreme Court lol... fucking stupidity. They are losing grasp with reality and the average voter. They put their heads up the asses of billionaires and social conservatives... they won't be winning any more general elections any time soon.

    The court overturning DOMA will hurt the republican party significantly... it will cause massive infighting. Social conservatives and the core will turn on what remains of moderates in that party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    So to sum it up... they want it so they can cry foul and bitch about an activist Supreme Court lol... fucking stupidity. They are losing grasp with reality and the average voter. They put their heads up the asses of billionaires and social conservatives... they won't be winning any more general elections any time soon.

    The court overturning DOMA will hurt the republican party significantly... it will cause massive infighting. Social conservatives and the core will turn on what remains of moderates in that party.
    You know I think it's the billionaires who are tired of the social cons mucking things up.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    No, they want it because they don't care. They never have. Republicans don't have ideological beef with gays or gay marriage. They used it as a political tool to get votes from the religious right. Now that it has been shown to be the losing side, they need someone to take it off their hands, so they don't alienate even more people than they already have, but also without losing the RR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No, they want it because they don't care. They never have. Republicans don't have ideological beef with gays or gay marriage. They used it as a political tool to get votes from the religious right. Now that it has been shown to be the losing side, they need someone to take it off their hands, so they don't alienate even more people than they already have, but also without losing the RR.
    Well they have let same sex marriage become the litmus test, without which Tony Perkins and the archbishop will not anoint nominees. If that sounds hypocritical, remember that upholding freedom and equality should be the duty of all public officers.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    THe problem for the Republicians (which we all know by now) is that their base is getting older and dying out. By 2020,being anti-gay is simply not going to be possible in most states or national elections.

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    The problem with the republican party just abandoning its position on gay marriage is exactly that, rolyo. The religious right still win them local and state elections. It's still their base. So they are stuck in a type of lose lose situation. They fucked themselves in the 1980s.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The problem with the republican party just abandoning its position on gay marriage is exactly that, rolyo. The religious right still win them local and state elections. It's still their base. So they are stuck in a type of lose lose situation. They fucked themselves in the 1980s.
    Just like Barry Goldwater warned them they would. And as you pointed out,the base still helps them win local and state elections.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No, they want it because they don't care. They never have. Republicans don't have ideological beef with gays or gay marriage. They used it as a political tool to get votes from the religious right. Now that it has been shown to be the losing side, they need someone to take it off their hands, so they don't alienate even more people than they already have, but also without losing the RR.
    I'm glad you address this. It's not just Republicans. It's dawned on a lot of wealthy corporations and individuals that there are gay people with money. Imagine money! "Okay, these LGBT people may be worth tapping into. It may be time."

    Focus, of course, is marriage equality. But, yes, it should be noted that there are ulterior motives. It's not just some sudden love for the LGBT community. The wind is blowing, and that's where the smart Republican politicians are at. By smart, I don't mean ideology; I mean the ones who have a good read on the electorate. The individuals within the party who have that awareness. And not just what they do when giving lip service in front of a camera. Newt Gingrich, though he frequently has flamed with his speeches, isn't actually stupid. (He was greatly strategic in flipping out the Democratic speaker of the House and flipping majority control of the House to his Republican party in the groundbreaking midterms elections of 1994.) He would be an example, if he were still in office, of recognizing his party needs to make the move in getting more and more on board. That the country is moving to marriage equality. And if he were the current speaker, rather than John Boehner, he'd be giving whatever code signals to a select number of his House Republicans to go right ahead and come out in favor of marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    THe problem for the Republicians (which we all know by now) is that their base is getting older and dying out. By 2020,being anti-gay is simply not going to be possible in most states or national elections.
    No.

    I think the problem is the party isn't in touch with the electorate that determines victory. They're out of touch with people who are no longer buying into the Republican party line about government being too big.

    The Republicans are out of touch with the voting electorate that does believe government is supposed to play a role in solving problems … especially when the country is going through more than one crisis. The Republicans won seven of ten presidential elections from 1968 to 2004. They got spoiled.

    George W. Bush, with the Iraq War with no exit plan (and he did say at some point it wasn't such a priority); along with Hurricane Katrina; as well as a corrupt slate of elected hypocritical party pols which resulted in the Republicans having lost both houses of Congress with the midterms elections of 2006; the further nosedive in Bush's job-approval percentage numbers (which never reached 40 percent after his party's Nov. 2006 "thumping"); and the economic meltdown of 2008 … Bush Jr. clearly was the presiding president over what I believe to have become a party fallen out of favor with the voters. There was no way in hell any Republican was going to hold the White House with that presidential eleciton of 2008. In fact, I believe the year 2008 is a realigning presidential election. For the Democrats.

    Looking back to that previous realigning period of 1968 to 2004, Richard Nixon saw the south as key to future Republican electoral success. But in 1992, after Ronald Reagan carried every state in the south with margins exceeding his national margin (with re-election, over Walter Mondale), the north/northeast realigned to the Democrats. And the pacific west came along. Now the Republicans have their base where the Democrats used to have theirs and the Democrats have their base where the Republicans used to have theirs. The flip-flopping of the two major parties now have the current Republicans looking as out of touch as the Democrats were after Abraham Lincoln won his first election in 1860.

    Earlier this week, I watched the Blu-ray release of Steven Spielberg's Lincoln. Some of it captures the essence of how that period's Democrats are like this period's Republicans. Barack Obama is no way in the mold of Abraham Lincoln. But not unlike Lincoln, Obama may very well earn the credit of being a president having presided over two types of sweeping changes: health care [insurance] reform and marriage equality.

    No.

    The No. 1 problem with this current Republican party is …

    It's the party.


    Steve Schmidt and Meghan McCain told the GOP, in March and April 2009, to get on board with gay marriage. That if the Republican party doesn't do it ... the Democrats will [do so first].

    And they were proven right.

    That may be another sign of why I see this period as a realignment favoring the Democrats. (Serving as another example of the GOP being out of touch ... and by the time they try to reconnect ... it's too late.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    ...It's also what Rush Limbaugh has been saying.

    But, I don't think we're going to get SCOTUS to grant us marriage equality. As everyone is saying, the sentiment of this court seems to be to give us ~40 states without marriage equality, and ~10 states with.

    Which is going to hurt the Republican Party significantly.
    The irony is delicious.

    Because of his reticence on the question of universal marriage equality, Anthony Kennedy might be unwittingly crafting a scenario that will make it less likely for him to be able to safely retire under the watch of a Republican president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    You know I think it's the billionaires who are tired of the social cons mucking things up.
    i think that you are exactly right.

    The monster that they and Karl Rove created has come back to haunt them and is now working against their interests by losing them too many races. It was all great while they were creating a bloc of knuckle dragging Nascar bible thumpers...but idiots could have told them that the strategy would eventually backfire because their hoi polloi are all too old and too white.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    They want it but they won't get it because of Alito,Scalia,THomas etc.

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    @coolblue

    It stems from the economic acronym DINKs: Dual income, no kids. We all know children are money sinks and thus gays have much better purchasing power than straights.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    And then there's Mike Huckleberry (sic) (sick!) who's threatening to leave the GOP along with Evangelicals Rick Warren, Francis Chan, Rick Warren and Craig Groeschel and more unspecified Christians.

    Mike Huckabee Threatens GOP That Christians Will Leave Them If They Support Gay Marriage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    And then there's Mike Huckleberry (sic) (sick!) who's threatening to leave the GOP along with Evangelicals Rick Warren, Francis Chan, Rick Warren and Craig Groeschel and more unspecified Christians.

    Mike Huckabee Threatens GOP That Christians Will Leave Them If They Support Gay Marriage
    And that means permanent minority for the GOP, and by extension, an automatic capitulation on every other piece of domestic policy. I really can't believe they would give up fighting abortion to spite GOP support for marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    And then there's Mike Huckleberry (sic) (sick!) who's threatening to leave the GOP along with Evangelicals Rick Warren, Francis Chan, Rick Warren and Craig Groeschel and more unspecified Christians.

    Mike Huckabee Threatens GOP That Christians Will Leave Them If They Support Gay Marriage
    I like this quote from your link:

    "And it's not because there's an anti-homosexual mood, and nobody's homophobic that I know of," he continued, "but many of us, and I consider myself included, base our standards not on the latest Washington Post poll, but on an objective standard, not a subjective standard."---
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

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    Re: The Republican Party *Wants* Marriage Equality

    I don't think they will. On a ironic note,young people are pro-gay marriage but also very pro life.
    Speaking of Huckabee,Pribeus suggests he should be the outreach person for the LGBT community. Becuase being told you're going to burn in hell in a nice voice is so much better.

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