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    U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support
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    By Rob Christensen | March 27, 2013
    http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/03/...lares-her.html


    Sen. Kay Hagan said Wednesday that she supported the right of gay people to marry, saying “we should not tell people who they can love or who they can marry.”Hagan, one of the few Democratic senators who had not previously come out in support of gay marriage, announced her support as the U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments on a U.S. law that denies federal benefits to married same-sex couples.
    I post this article because, with more and more movement in support from elected members of both houses of Congress (the U.S. Senate seems to get more attention) as well as from former elected leaders and some in the beltway (David Frum, at The Daily Beast, is on board), Kay Hagan coming on board to support marriage equality is important.

    The Democrat from North Carolina is up for re-election next year. But N.C. is a state trending away from the Republicans and toward competitive (that is, in how many points more red or more blue is a given state; at the presidential level, N.C. is no longer advantageous for the GOP as other states from the Old Confrederacy like ex-bellwether Tennessee). Sorry if that seems that I'm interpreting this based on electability reasons, which would be cynical, but it is not avoidable. (I think Susan Collins, up for re-election next year in Maine, will become the second Republican to join in. Collins may be more at risk, frankly, if she doesn't sign on.)

    So, it's good that U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) is joining in … and every member of the party should be on board. The article notes that nine are still left (without having declared support): Arkansas's Mark Pryor; Delaware's Tom Carper; Florida's Bill Nelson; Indiana's Joe Donnelly; Louisiana's Mary Landrieu; North Dakota's Heidi Heitkamp; Pennsylvania's Bob Casey; South Dakota's Tim Johnson; and West Virginia's Joe Manchin.
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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    JockBoy87,

    Are you a moderator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Am I wrong?

    If you were to post about every politician who came out for marriage equality in the last month it would take up the entire first page of CEP.
    Yes.

    I will add this: If there is a forum member who would like to create a thread (baring the specific topic name) which tracks elected or former politicians (or other figures) coming out in support of marriage equality, it can be someone other than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Actually, I DO THINK this deserves its own thread. Having a democrat endorsing gay marriage from a traditionally conservative state does deserve its own thread. This shows North Carolina is shifting. And it is indeed. In 2008, Obama managed to get the state, but only narrowly lost it in 2012. The urban centers are moving more towards democrats. It's very much the same story as Virginia, which has shifted towards the democrats.
    Election margins for President Barack Obama were as follows:

    2008 President: D+7.26 (pickup) | 365 electoral votes
    2008 North Carolina: D+0.33 (pickup)

    2012 President: D+3.84 (hold) | 332 electoral votes
    2012 North Carolina: R+2.04 (pickup)

    Had the 44th president been re-elected with an increased national margin and likewise electoral-vote score, which has been applicable to all two-term-elected presidents except Woodrow Wilson (1912, 1916) and Barack Obama (2008, 2012), he would have carried with re-election the state of North Carolina.

    This is a politically critical state. Not quite the level of Virginia, the No. 1 best state (statewide margin vs. national margin), over the last two elections. Ditto that N.C. isn't on par with Colorado. But it's trending. It's trending away from being Core Republican to becoming more routinely Competitive. If Hillary Clinton does end up winning the Democratic nominee in 2016… Or if a different Democratic candidate wins the party nod in 2016… And it turns out that Democratic candidate performs better, and wins for the party a third straight victory and does so even better than the 2012 re-elected Obama, well N.C. will be a part of that map.

    So Kay Hagan, facing re-election next year, has taken a political risk. (In terms of how today's Democratic party operates with their ConservaDems, she has taken a political risk.) But, with this move it can also be a benefit to those residing in the Tar Heel State who will remember that she did that. Rather than her not move support for the LGBT, and their Bill of Rights, this can result in a better re-election outcome than some may otherwise anticipate. (Normally the midterms are won by the party opposite a sitting president. But 2002 was more favorable not to the Democrats but the Republicans, who won back majority control of the Senate. Four years earlier, the 1998 Republicans were so dismal in their midterms that their performance resulted in Newt Gingrich resigning his post as speaker of the House.)

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    Kay Hagan is indeed taking a risk here,so she deserves kudos for it even though she was late to the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Kay Hagan is indeed taking a risk here,so she deserves kudos for it even though she was late to the party.
    What is taking so long for Tom Carper of Delaware?

    Is he considering his state a part of the south?


    Bob Casey, the pro-life Democrat of Pennsylvania (which, in the Keystone State, which is blue, is so insulting!), should already be on board.


    I think, of the remaining nine Senate Democrats, the following will come through in this order:

    1. Tom Carper (D-Delaware)
    2. Bill Nelson (D-Florida)
    3. Bob Casey (D-Pennsylvania)
    4. Joe Donnelly (D-Indiana)
    5. Tim Johnson (D-South Dakota)
    6. Mary Landrieu (D-Louisiana)
    7. Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia)
    8. Heidi Heitkamp (D-North Dakota)
    9. Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas)

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    Jon Tester is the senator who should have his own thread. Said it elsewhere and I'll say it here,Rob Portman is not the only senator with a gay son,Tester is as well.
    And he couldn't come out for full marriage equality until this week. Tester was NOT happy with Obama talking about gay marriage before the election,for fear it could cost him the election.
    Don't get me wrong,I know there are a couple of different factors that differ him from Portman but the fact remains Tester hasn't done much to get rid of the gay marriage ban in the state he represents either.
    As for the other senators,Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor aren't going to say anything,period.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    Someone should as Senator Lindsey Graham about his true feeling on the subject. That guy needs to come out and be counted!

    Homophobia kills!

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    Btw,today in NOrth Carolina the Hispanic Outreach center created by a Democratic governer was shut down today. Keep that outreach going GOP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Btw,today in NOrth Carolina the Hispanic Outreach center created by a Democratic governer was shut down today. Keep that outreach going GOP!
    That was mentioned on Rachel Maddow's program.

    It doesn't surprise me.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    Alaska's Lisa Murkowsi could be the next Senate Republican supportive of marriage equality.

    @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...p_ref=politics

    @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...iage-evolving/
    Last edited by CoolBlue71; March 30th, 2013 at 12:38 AM.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    I'm amazed she may beat Susan Collins to the punch. She's supported every other gay rights issue and now represents a state with marriage equality.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    Keep in mind even if she hints that she's coming around to the idea of same sex marriage,she's doing so in a deep red state.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    If DOMA is struck down,I expect the nine states that offer civil unions to see lawsuits filed. That's what it's so stupid for Prop 8 to be kicked down the road even though it looks like that is what is gonna happen.
    The bigots on the court know gay marriage is coming but they will due their best to make sure it doesn't happen in their lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    It's a completely faulty comparison. California already had domestic partnerships. California is not like Alaska at all. i am not calling Alaska similar to Texas or Mississippi... but I don't get all these comments about this so called "libertarian" bent.

    Oh and Prop 8 only passed by a narrow margin. And California is much closer to having marriage equality than Alaska. I give Alaska... perhaps 3-4 years.
    Use my home state of Michigan as an example.

    In the Democratic presidential primaries of 2004, only Al Sharpton showed up right around voting day. Word was that John Kerry would win the state and good Democrats needed to make it official.

    In the general election, I wonder how many of those saying to get behind Kerry, because it was necessary to unseat President George W. Bush, voted against the LGBT and voted "yes" for a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as "between one man and one woman."

    John Kerry carried the state by close to 3.50%. That election-ballot proposal passed with a margin of about 20%. That couldn't have been done with 100 percent of Bush-supporters voting on that proposal.

    We cannot go back in time.

    So, I'd rather not get caught up in that.

    Alaska's Lisa Murkowski potentially becoming the second Senate Republican, after Ohio's Rob Portman, to get on board for marriage equality is great. Maine's Susan Collins was my prediction for No. 2. My guess is that she may be having an internal poll conducted, so the numbers can be run, in order to determine whether she should also "come out."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    I felt the same way until I read something recently that made sense to me: Maine has a much stronger Tea Party presence than one would assume. Their current governor Paul LePage is a Tea Party Republican. Collins is facing re-election in 2014, so she might well be terrified of a primary challenge. I'll be shocked if she doesn't come around on this by 2016, though. I doubt she wants to get left in the dust that much by the rest of her party's moderate wing.

    I'm still fucking burnt up about Bob Casey in PA. What the hell is he waiting for!?
    The Tea Party in Maine is on life support. They lost both chambers of the state legislature and Paul Lepage is one of the most unpopular governors in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    When is [Maine Gov. Paul] LePage up for election? Someone needs to boot him out... that guy is a nutcase... I've read some of the things he said, especially about transgendered people... LePage is a psycho.
    ^ 2014.

    According to Wikipedia.org, gubernatorial elections are scheduled for 2014 in the following states:


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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    Don't be shocked to see PA,MI,ME,and possibly WI be blue after that. They are very,very,VERY unpopular governers. Rick Snyder in MI is almost sure to be gone due to his anti-union bill.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage

    Pennsylvania's senior U.S. senator Bob Casey, who unseated Rick Santorum in the 2006 midterms elections wave (for the Democrats) and was re-elected for a second full term last November, is on board for marriage equality.


    Bob Casey Backs Gay Marriage

    By Sabrina Siddiqui
    April 1, 2013 | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2994199.html

    Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) announced his support for gay marriage Monday, at last joining the growing number of Democrats to embrace marriage equality over the last week.

    "After much deliberation and after reviewing the legal, public policy and civil-rights questions presented, I support marriage equality for same-sex couples and believe that DOMA should be repealed," Casey said in an exclusive statement to the Philadelphia Gay News.

    "I began to focus on the issue of same-sex marriage much more intensely than I had before,” he added, reflecting on the Supreme Court's consideration of landmark gay marriage cases on California's Proposition 8 and the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    It's nice to see these Democratic senators on board but such a pity they had to wait to see which way the political wins blew before making this choice.
    We've come a long way since 96 but while DOMA was a Republician made creation,many Democrats jumped on board too.
    And Jockboy's point about PA is sadly noted. Republicians in PA or any state like it are NEVER going to drop the idea that gay marriage should be illigal,period.
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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    I would say even though polls say one thing,I've sometimes learned not to trust them. People may say one thing about gay marriage on the phone or ona survery and quite another thing in the voting box.
    As for two years or 20 years..the Supreme Court is kicking the can down the road and they know it.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    I guess..I still get leery when I see polls saying something. I never though Prop 8 would pass..and look what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I guess..I still get leery when I see polls saying something. I never though Prop 8 would pass..and look what happened.
    I think most people didn't, but we learned our lesson and won't make the same mistakes again.

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    Mark Kirk becomes second GOP senator to back gay marriage

    By Aaron Blake
    April 2, 2013 | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-gay-marriage/

    A second Republican senator has announced his support for gay marriage, with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Illinois) joining Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio).

    Kirk, who recently returned to the Senate after suffering a significant stroke, suggested in a statement that his near-death experience has changed his perspective.

    “When I climbed the Capitol steps in January, I promised myself that I would return to the Senate with an open mind and greater respect for others,” he said. “Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. Our time on this earth is limited, I know that better than most. Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back — government has no place in the middle.”

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    GOP Sen. Mark Kirk backs same-sex marriage

    By Lucy Madison
    April 2, 2013 | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...-sex-marriage/

    Joining an increasingly large chorus of lawmakers and voters both, Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., announced Tuesday his support for same-sex marriage -- making him the second Republican senator in a month to come out in favor of marriage equality.

    There are now only seven sitting Senate Democrats who still oppose same-sex marriage: Sens. Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Tim Johnson of South Dakota, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Bill Nelson of Florida, and Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Sen. Tom Carper Endorses Same-Sex Marriage

    By Alex Rogers
    April 2, 2013 | http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/02...-sex-marriage/

    Citing the Bible’s Golden Rule, Sen. Tom Carper [D-Delaware] announced his endorsement for same-sex marriage on Facebook. “All Americans ultimately should be free to marry the people they love and intend to share their lives with, regardless of their sexual orientation,” he said. “That’s why today, after a great deal of soul searching, I’m endorsing marriage equality.”

    Carper no doubt has seen many of his Democrat colleagues— Sens. Bob Casey (Pa.), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Mark Warner (Va.), and Claire McCaskill (Mo.)— flip on the issue in the past two weeks, and decided it was safe to announce his support in liberal Delaware. A Delaware News Journal poll released in January showed 52% in favor of same-sex marriages.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Tom Carper Latest Senate Dem for Same-Sex Marriage

    By Sunlen Miller
    April 2, 2013 | http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-sex-marriage/

    Another day, another Senate Democrat comes out in support of same-sex marriage.

    Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., announced today that he has changed his mind and now supports same-sex marriage.

    The senator, 66, made the announcement on his Facebook page this morning, saying, “As our society has changed and evolved, so too has the public’s opinion on gay marriage – and so has mine.”

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Which is why next year is so important. Don't think for a minute the Repulibicans will be supporting gay marriage in large numbers.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Here is a nice image of 50 U.S. senators now on board for marriage equality. (I found it from ThinkProgress.com.…)

    http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...e-Equality.png

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    THat could easily change by next year...

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    THat could easily change by next year...
    And we'll have more states that have legalized it too in addition to federal benefits.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Indeed but it will be a long road still. The Supreme Court looks to kick the can down the road,and they know it.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    .
    Florida Sen. Bill Nelson supports gay marriage

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-gay-marriage/

    It's only a matter of time.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    ^ chrisrobin: Thanks for that update about Florida U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson endorsing marriage equality! (I wasn't available and appreciate anyone and everyone doing this.) Here is a link to Tampa Bay Times's report:
    @ http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...rriage/2113230 .

    I'm guessing the next [U.S.] Senate Democrat to come out for marriage equality will be South Dakota's Tim Johnson. He's retiring next year; but if he doesn't endorse, it may be that presumption of fear that says, "What if S.D. goes Republican in 2014!?" But I think he's more likely to come out for same-sex couples and marriage equality before Arkansas's Mark Pryor and Louisiana's Mary Landrieu. I don't know about North Dakota's Heidi Heitkamp. Indiana's Joe Donnelly who, like Heitkamp, was first elected last year is apparently opposed. I have no confidence in West Virginia's Joe Manchin. (As is true of the state in general.)
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    And there goes Donnelly and Heitkamp:

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/0...iage-equality/

    This is seriously becoming like clockwork! I predict Tim Johnson because as you said CoolBlue, he's retiring after this term. He also already supports repealing DOMA. Landrieu may surprise everyone and come out in favor as Kay Hagan did. I agree that Manchin and Pryor are highly unlikely to come out in favor anytime soon, both for political reasons and also because they're likely personally opposed.

    I think we'll see more Republicans soon too, most likely Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, though maybe one will pull a Portman and surprise us.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    An analysis of the possible next Republicans to support same-sex marriage:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...watch-20130403

    I forgot to mention but Landrieu has indicated that she's personally supportive, so it may not be a huge step for her.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Here's the thing..the last four are NOT going to change their tune. They are in very Red States where people are already angry about gun control,coming out for gay marriage would be career suicide.
    More to the point...as shown elsewhere,just because someone has a D next to their name,it doesn't mean they are for gay marriage. Joe Manchin is a Blue Dog Democrat.

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    Here's the thing..the last four are NOT going to change their tune. They are in very Red States where people are already angry about gun control,coming out for gay marriage would be career suicide.
    More to the point...as shown elsewhere,just because someone has a D next to their name,it doesn't mean they are for gay marriage. Joe Manchin is a Blue Dog Democrat.
    So you say.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/04/landrieu.html

    I consider this a half-endorsement. Not a full endorsement sure, but it's understandable why she wouldn't fully come out in favor right now.

    I predict Pryor and Manchin won't come out in favor anytime soon, both due to the states they represent and their personal beliefs. I do expect Johnson to come out in favor soon though.

    And then we have this:

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...ts+Movement%29

    I think this is a strong indication that Susan Collins is getting ready to come out in favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    An analysis of the possible next Republicans to support same-sex marriage:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...watch-20130403

    I forgot to mention but Landrieu has indicated that she's personally supportive, so it may not be a huge step for her.
    That's a total cop out. Way to lead from behind. Pathetic and I absolutely don't consider this limp attempt at playing both sides to be an "endorsement"
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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    And there goes Donnelly and Heitkamp: …
    I wasn't on the Internet for several hours until finding this out, from another site, prior to arriving here.

    Thank you, scream4ever, for posting this!


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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    An analysis of the possible next Republicans to support same-sex marriage:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...watch-20130403

    I forgot to mention but Landrieu has indicated that she's personally supportive, so it may not be a huge step for her.
    Thank you, scream4ever, for also posting this!



    It's interesting, indeed, and this may change the dynamics for Senate Republicans as well. Maine's Susan Collins — up for re-election in 2014 — is the one who intrigues me most because of incumbency and whether she'd have a bitch of a time coming out for support in the midst of a primary season. It's early still; but she'd be okay, for sure, if the "tea party" (and I quote that because it's a Koch brothers' manufactured movement) shifts in the direction of supporting marriage equality.




    Separate Note: I tuned in Stephanie Miller's program, simulcast on Current TV, and today it was reported that Scott Brown — unseated in last year's U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts by the state's senior U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren — may move to New Hampshire and challenge that state's senior U.S. senator, Jeanne Shaheen, for the 2014 general election. I'd say, if he were to do that, he'd need a Republican wave election to unseat her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Not to mention she hails from a Jim Crow state, one of the worst.
    It is a joke. She would have been better on saying nothing at all. She'll still get support though,because it will be her or someone who is defiantely anti-gay for the Republican side.

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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Mark Pryor indicates he's undecided on the issue:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/04/sen...-category.html

    While not an endorsement, this can still be considered movement nonetheless. As I said, I predict Manchin will reiterate his opposition and Johnson will come out in favor.

    As far as Susan Collins, the Tea Party is greatly fractured in Maine, having lost both chambers of the state legislature and Lepage being one of the most unpopular governors in the country. I really think she doesn't have much to worry about in regards to coming out in support.

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    I get why people want these last holdouts to come to our side but you have to understand how deeply homophobic the places they represent are.
    Backing gay marriage IS a losing issue in these states,especially Arkansas,which as Jockboy87 pointed out,it one of the most homophobic places in NOrth America.
    Some stay and fight the good fight but for the most part, any LGBT people I know that lived in Arkansas got out of there as fast as they could.

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    Not to mention David Vitter is a hypocrite. He can cheat on his wife and sleep with many of women as possible but if gays and lesbians get married,that's just wrong.
    But is just how it is down there. Homosexuality is considered worse then adultery,murder,rape etc to many people down there.
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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    South Dakota Sen. Tim Johnson says he now
    supports gay marriage after ‘lengthy consideration’


    By Associated Press
    April 8, 2013 | http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...695_story.html

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. — South Dakota [U.S.] Sen. Tim Johnson, who announced his retirement last month, has reversed his position on gay marriage, saying Monday [04.08.2013] that he supports the legalization of same-sex unions.



    “After lengthy consideration, my views have evolved sufficiently to support marriage equality legislation,” Johnson said in a written statement. “This position doesn’t require any religious denomination to alter any of its tenets; it simply forbids government from discrimination regarding who can marry whom.”

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    ^^^

    I predict he'll be the last one for at least a little while, until Collins, Murkowski, or another Republican comes out in favor (or Landrieu, Pryor, or Manchin do an about-face on the issue).
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    Re: U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan declares her support for gay marriage; others follow suit

    Lisa Murkowski is third Republican senator
    to support same-sex marriage

    As supreme court weighs marriage equality,
    Alaska senator joins Mark Kirk and Rob Portman as Republicans in favour


    By Amanda Holpuch
    June 19, 2013 | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...t-gay-marriage

    A third sitting Republican senator has backed gay marriage as the US waits for the Supreme Court to reach a decision on two pivotal cases regarding the constitutionality same-sex marriage.

    Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said on Wednesday [June 19] that she supported marriage equality and "supports the government getting out of the way to let that happen."

    In her Wednesday statement, she cited a female couple who had adopted four children but did not have the same rights as other families.

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    ^^^That makes 54 now! It'll be interesting to see who else may come forward after the Supreme Court hands down the rulings...

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    I'm surprised Lisa Murkowski didn't come out for marriage equality sooner. Keep in mind despite the fact she is pretty much Republican all the way,she is considered a rino because she won't kiss the butt of the far right right. 2010 was not the first time she faced a primary threat and it won't be the last.

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