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    I dont know when they plan to recess but it would rather nice for them to announce on June 28th.

    Of course if they need to do so earlier then they can make my birthday (June 16th) historic. However, since it is a Sunday, I sincerely doubt that will occur.

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    ^ I would love to see them announce on June 28, especially if their decisions are all favorable. The closer to July 4 (but not AFTER that date), the better!!!

    I definitely have plans to sit outdoors here in Republican-land, just after sunset on July 4, and listen to conservatives' heads exploding in the distance. (For non-Americans, 04 July is "our" Independence Day, and a lot of municipalities, etc. stage pyrotechnics displays which, of course, go BOOM BOOM BOOM.)
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    We'll have to keep our fingers crossed. I expect DOMA to be struck down but Prop 8..I don't know if it will be punted or not. Even if it is..there are other lawsuits working their way through the 9th circuit dealing with the same issue and if DOMA is struck down,you can be sure that states with the seperate but unequal civil unions and domestic partnerships will be seeing full marriage equality sooner versus later.

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    Whenever it is, I'll probably only notice it because someone posts it here -- I was so busy in May I wouldn't have known it was June yet except a friend had a birthday party.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Marriage Equality Cases

    I will say in spite of the veto by Christie,I expect gay marriage to be legal in NJ by this time next year,if not sooner. If his veto isn't overridden,the New Jersey Court will legalize it through the courts.
    In 2006,via Lewis v. Harris,the NJ Supreme court ordered the legislature to either give same-sex couples marriage or civil unions with all the same rights. They chose the latter.
    Seven years later, as shown elsewhere,the civil unions aren't equal to marriage and if DOMA is struck down,the inequality of the two will become even clearer.
    Gay marriage is coming to NJ. If the legislators are smart,they'll simply override his veto and save the state the ligitation that is going to follow.

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    I will say in spite of the veto by Christie,I expect gay marriage to be legal in NJ by this time next year,if not sooner. If his veto isn't overridden,the New Jersey Court will legalize it through the courts.
    In 2006,via Lewis v. Harris,the NJ Supreme court ordered the legislature to either give same-sex couples marriage or civil unions with all the same rights. They chose the latter.
    Seven years later, as shown elsewhere,the civil unions aren't equal to marriage and if DOMA is struck down,the inequality of the two will become even clearer.
    Gay marriage is coming to NJ. If the legislators are smart,they'll simply override his veto and save the state the ligitation that is going to follow.
    Like I said, it's going to be VERY interesting to see how the other side will be able to justify civil unions over marriage after Section 3 of DOMA is thrown out. Remember that was one of the reasons the California Supreme Court upheld Prop 8 back in 2009.

    If the legislature in New Jersey doesn't override Christie's veto, it will likely be sent to the voters for approval in November 2013, where it will easily pass (polling shows support at 60%+).

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Marriage Equality Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Like I said, it's going to be VERY interesting to see how the other side will be able to justify civil unions over marriage after Section 3 of DOMA is thrown out. Remember that was one of the reasons the California Supreme Court upheld Prop 8 back in 2009.

    If the legislature in New Jersey doesn't override Christie's veto, it will likely be sent to the voters for approval in November 2013, where it will easily pass (polling shows support at 60%+).
    They'll go with the same spin they use know,that seperate but equal is okay. There is no way that will stand up in the courts,especially the NJ one.
    As for Pro 8,as bad as it sounds..I'd rather have it be tossed out on standing then be upheld. That will set up back a long way,which may have been the point of the four I'm convinced took this up in the first place (Scalia,Alitio,Roberts and Thomas.) Even if it is tossed,there are other cases pending in the 9th circuit as well and if it gets punted..I imagine they will simply rule the same way they did with prop 8..perhaps with a broader ruling for the states they cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    They'll go with the same spin they use know,that seperate but equal is okay. There is no way that will stand up in the courts,especially the NJ one.
    As for Pro 8,as bad as it sounds..I'd rather have it be tossed out on standing then be upheld. That will set up back a long way,which may have been the point of the four I'm convinced took this up in the first place (Scalia,Alitio,Roberts and Thomas.) Even if it is tossed,there are other cases pending in the 9th circuit as well and if it gets punted..I imagine they will simply rule the same way they did with prop 8..perhaps with a broader ruling for the states they cover.
    Of course they'll try to repeat it, but like what you said, it won't stand up in court or with undecided legislators.

    I agree about Prop 8, although I think Roberts voted to hear it to resolve the standing question, while the other three wanted to uphold it. They all know that another gay marriage case will be at their door in the next 2 or 3 years, so by denying standing it'll allow it to resume in California while "buying more time" for public opinion to shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Of course they'll try to repeat it, but like what you said, it won't stand up in court or with undecided legislators.

    I agree about Prop 8, although I think Roberts voted to hear it to resolve the standing question, while the other three wanted to uphold it. They all know that another gay marriage case will be at their door in the next 2 or 3 years, so by denying standing it'll allow it to resume in California while "buying more time" for public opinion to shift.
    Indeed,he might not care about the court's images in some cases (Citizen's United cough cough) but Roberts knows that on the gay marriage issue,it will happen and he doesn't want his court to be on the wrong side of it.
    Let's face it though,no matter how absurd the logic is,Scalia,Thomas and Alito will find ways to justify Prop 8 and DOma,even though DOMA clearly flys in the face of state's rights.
    I expect Section 3 will be gone by the end of June. If it isn't,there is no way to spin it other then bigotry,no matter how hard they try.
    NExt to the 2012 elections,this will be among the most nervewracking moments of the last few years for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Of course they'll try to repeat it, but like what you said, it won't stand up in court or with undecided legislators.

    I agree about Prop 8, although I think Roberts voted to hear it to resolve the standing question, while the other three wanted to uphold it. They all know that another gay marriage case will be at their door in the next 2 or 3 years, so by denying standing it'll allow it to resume in California while "buying more time" for public opinion to shift.
    I still don't see how they can deny standing, when the State of California said that the proponents can speak for the state on this measure. Don't states get to decide who can speak for them?

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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Marriage Equality Cases

    They can simply decide that the state made an error. Only a couple more weeks...

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    http://www.queerty.com/supreme-court...unds-20130610/

    No idea if this is true or not. The fact I can't find it anywhere else leads me to believe it's not. I see them kicking the can down the road with Prop 8 but I just don't see any way they are going to the same thing with DOMA.

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    The linked official page doesn't even show it. I wonder, based on the blank spaces for the vote if it's just a pre-written article (if so, one of several that are broad enough to reflect the possibilities) that was accidentally published early. There's no record of any ruling being released yet...so I assume it was a slip-up standby article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    The linked official page doesn't even show it. I wonder, based on the blank spaces for the vote if it's just a pre-written article (if so, one of several that are broad enough to reflect the possibilities) that was accidentally published early. There's no record of any ruling being released yet...so I assume it was a slip-up standby article.
    That's what it looks like to me to. I know we aren't going to get a broad ruling on Prop 8 that will extend to all 50 states. But I simply don't see any way section 3 of DOMA survives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    They can simply decide that the state made an error. Only a couple more weeks...
    That would be contrary to all precedent: it has always been the states who decide who gets to speak for the state.

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    Indeed..no one knows how they will rule on standing with Prop 8 but it looks like it will get punted. As for DOMA,if it is upheld,there will be no way to justify the ruling but plain bigotry.

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    I got this notice in an email today.

    Here's a link to go to to sign up to receive breaking news updates from the organization sponsoring the Prop.8 case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I got this notice in an email today.

    Here's a link to go to to sign up to receive breaking news updates from the organization sponsoring the Prop.8 case.

    http://www.afer.org/prop-8-case-decision-central/
    If you look at the decisions rendered and announced so far they have mostly been by the liberal justices... This means most decisions left to be announced will be written by the conservative justices...this doesn't bode well for us, hope I'm wrong but I've heard the same thing said by supreme court watchers/scholars.

    If these decisions go against us I'm giving serious consideration to leaving the US for good, I won't live where the highest court of the land says I'm a second class citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justndav View Post
    If you look at the decisions rendered and announced so far they have mostly been by the liberal justices... This means most decisions left to be announced will be written by the conservative justices...this doesn't bode well for us, hope I'm wrong but I've heard the same thing said by supreme court watchers/scholars.

    If these decisions go against us I'm giving serious consideration to leaving the US for good, I won't live where the highest court of the land says I'm a second class citizen.
    Many are now saying Roberts will write the Prop 8 decision (dismissing it based on a lack of standing) and that Kennedy will write the DOMA one (striking down Section 3). They are both considered conservative justices.

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    I think the court is going to punt on Prop 8. If they uphold DOMA,there is no way to spin it (though they'll try) other then discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I got this notice in an email today.

    Here's a link to go to to sign up to receive breaking news updates from the organization sponsoring the Prop.8 case.

    http://www.afer.org/prop-8-case-decision-central/
    I'm sure glad I posted this link. Now I can't find where I put my bookmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justndav View Post
    If these decisions go against us I'm giving serious consideration to leaving the US for good, I won't live where the highest court of the land says I'm a second class citizen.
    Not unreasonable. We have a representative or two among us on JUB who oppose liberty and justice, who believe that some are more equal than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Many are now saying Roberts will write the Prop 8 decision (dismissing it based on a lack of standing) and that Kennedy will write the DOMA one (striking down Section 3). They are both considered conservative justices.
    If they dismiss on lack of standing, every justice who agrees with that should be [Text: Removed]: California said the proponents can speak for the State of California, and that should be the end of that. To say otherwise is to declare the end of the Republic.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Many are now saying Roberts will write the Prop 8 decision (dismissing it based on a lack of standing) and that Kennedy will write the DOMA one (striking down Section 3). They are both considered conservative justices.
    And that's just as much speculation as any other theory. The court rarely has any leaks ahead of the release.

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    Supreme Court is supposed to release decisions this morning starting at 10:00 EDT.

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    DOMA HAS BEEN STRUCK DOWN!!!! 5 to 4.

    DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.
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    DOMA STRUCK DOWN as unconstitutional. 5-4 ruling.

    "DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled to recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty." DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.
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    Congratulations!
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    Prop 8 decision should be coming soon...
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    I am thrilled that this bulwark of institutionalized homophobia has been struck down by SCOTUS.

    One step closer for total equality and an end to the repressive and regressive policies against homos. Welcome to the club.

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    Prop 8: Hollingsworth v Perry. The petitioners did not have standing to appeal the district court order. Decision of the Ninth Circuit is vacated and remanded. Ninth Circuit was without jurisdiction to consider the appeal. The judgment of the Ninth Circuit is vacated, and the case is remanded with instructions to dismiss the appeal for lack of jurisdiction.
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    The California decision is less satisfactory. It seems to me if the SC would grant standing to the Congressional Bigots in DOMA, they ought also to have granted standing to the Referendum Bigots in Prop 8. Instead they have sidestepped the central questions affirmed by the appeals court by manufacturing a technicality.
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    Hooray for DOMA going down!. As for Prop 8,no surprises there. A lot of people thought thye were going to punt on that from the start.

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    DOMA STRUCK DOWN as unconstitutional. 5-4 ruling.

    "DOMA singles out a class of persons deemed by a State entitled to recognition and protection to enhance their own liberty." DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.
    So basically the Court is operating on the principle that the government has no authority to single out some group of people and give them benefits that others don't get.

    To continue that here, all forms of marriage people might wish to establish must be given equal recognition. So we're on the right track.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So basically the Court is operating on the principle that the government has no authority to single out some group of people and give them benefits that others don't get.

    To continue that here, all forms of marriage people might wish to establish must be given equal recognition. So we're on the right track.
    They have mostly said that, but not quite. That the government could make no case as to why a group should be treated differently is central to the outcome.
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    Keep in mind that in striking down DOMA,this ruling will more then likely bring full marriage equality to HI,IL,NV,OR,NJ and CO without the need to put it on a ballot,bans or not.
    As it stands,the federal government will NOT acknowledge civil unions or domestic partnerships,thus the case that civil unions or domestic partnerships are equal to marriage will fall flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Keep in mind that in striking down DOMA,this ruling will more then likely bring full marriage equality to HI,IL,NV,OR,NJ and CO without the need to put it on a ballot,bans or not.
    As it stands,the federal government will NOT acknowledge civil unions or domestic partnerships,thus the case that civil unions or domestic partnerships are equal to marriage will fall flat.
    As far as I know, that could have been one of the actual outcomes of the Supreme Court's decision. It wouldn't have any effect on states with no "marriage equivalent", but those states which have enacted domestic partnerships or civil unions that have rights similar to marriage would be forced to offer equal marriage as an option. Some people said this would be unfair to those states with more progressive attitudes, and would force them to change their laws, while other states (like my home state of Mississippi) can continue discriminating against same-sex couples seeking to marry.

    I'm not even sure what case the "equality" of domestic partnerships or civil unions would have fallen under: DOMA or Prop 8? In either case, the Supreme Court made no such ruling about the equality of those "everything-but-marriage" relationships.
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    Re: Supreme Court to Hear Marriage Equality Cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Keep in mind that in striking down DOMA,this ruling will more then likely bring full marriage equality to HI,IL,NV,OR,NJ and CO without the need to put it on a ballot,bans or not.
    As it stands,the federal government will NOT acknowledge civil unions or domestic partnerships,thus the case that civil unions or domestic partnerships are equal to marriage will fall flat.
    The court's decisions today affect only California. On Prop 8, the rejection on standing means that neither the Ninth Circuit Court nor the Supreme Court itself has jurisdictional authority to hear the case. That means that the decision of the highest court to rule on the matter prior to the appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court will stand. In this case, that is the California Supreme Court, which ruled Prop 8 unconstitutional.

    Although SCOTUS has ruled that the Ninth Circuit Court had no jurisdiction in the case, there is technically a stay on the performance of gay marriage in California which was issued by the Ninth Circuit. California has asked the Ninth Circuit Court to lift this stay immediately. The Ninth Circuit Court has indicated that it will do so (for whatever reason) in 25 days.

    SCOTUS today struck down only that portion of DOMA which prevents the federal government from recognizing same sex marriages. I presume that that would apply to civil unions as well, although I do not know that to be a fact.
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