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    Is Obama just another politician?

    What has happened to the universal healthcare? I never hear anything about it anymore.

    Gitmo was supposed to have been closed during his first term, but this week I saw a news item about $40-50 million needed for renovations.

    Israel is making nice to Obama hoping he will bomb/invade , Syria/ Iran , or both.

    Iraq, after 5 years he is going to pull out some of the troops, but some will always be there.

    I feel so used when politicians promise something and then don't deliver. Yes I know both parties do it, but I still hate it.

    My rant for the day.

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    Better get used to it... it's been happening for thousands of years.
    ALL politicians are self serving liars, cheaters, and think the rules and laws they make up don't apply to them.

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    Just another politician?

    Yep. Can't get elected if you are not.

    Look at his healthcare bill - sure there are some good things - but it was a huge gift to the insurance industry (a major donor of his) by not offering a public option.

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    In my opinion the US has a very weak democracy... if any at all.

    Only two realistic options and both of them are owned by the financial elite.

    Today it costs you a billion dollars to become president. It seems like every term the president has more and more strings pulling him.

    The US is the clearest example but this applies to many other countries. In general democracy in the world is weaker than we would like to believe. The big decisions are made in smoke-filled rooms and they don't give a shit what the public wants.

    I've seen this in my own country which is usually in the top 3 on lists of the most democratic and least corrupt countries. Despite that it's still obvious that the financial elite has a stronger hold on the government (and the opposition) than the public.
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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    Of course he's just another politician. What did you think he was, The Second Coming?

    He was overhyped from the jump. I don't think he's awful/bad/negative for America, but he's nothing special.
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    Obama gets a C+/B- grade in my book, but that sure is a lot better than I give other politicians in this country. Yes, he's a politician. But he's done a pretty decent job at everything. Nobody is claiming he's special, as he is only human... I think some are quick to swipe at him, yet don't realize how fucked up the Congress is right now and particularly the other party. Now this is a CE&P topic.

    He's decent... and a whole lot better than the utter bullshit trash the other party has pushed for in the last two presidential elections. It must also be important to note most of Obama's donations in both campaigns actually came from small donors (those who donate $500 or less).

    People like to say corporations elect presidents, but not this time around. Obama only got elected and re-elected through significant grassroots campaigning and on utilizing voters. The corporate backed ticket was the other one, and they used Karl Rove and his big money supporters thinking they could buy the office. They failed. And if it is any solace, Romney/Ryan outraised Obama significantly... but most of their money came from several big donors. Now I'm not saying some corporations didn't back Obama, but really most of the big money was in the opposing ticket. This is just historical fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    Of course he's just another politician. What did you think he was, The Second Coming?

    He was overhyped from the jump. I don't think he's awful/bad/negative for America, but he's nothing special.
    My thoughts too. He will be a Top 15-20 range President and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    Of course he's just another politician. What did you think he was, The Second Coming?…
    Zillions of fools around the world thought it was the Second Coming. Didn't they give the guy a Nobel Prize?

    The late, great Christopher Hitchens (who was fairly hefty) described him as a scared little guy who talked in a Humphrey-Bogart-voice and could only make sense in private conversations every thirty minutes after he slipped outside to gasp on his secret cigaret.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Zillions of fools around the world thought it was the Second Coming. Didn't they give the guy a Nobel Prize?
    And who are these "zillions of fools"? As compared to au-contrarian a-holes who are negative about every thing they don't like?

    The late, great Christopher Hitchens (who was fairly hefty) described him as a scared little guy who talked in a Humphrey-Bogart-voice and could only make sense in private conversations every thirty minutes after he slipped outside to gasp on his secret cigaret.
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    Christopher Hitchens? And explain to me why I should care what he says? He's not even a real leftist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    My thoughts too. He will be a Top 15-20 range President and nothing more.
    And who is in the top 5? Let me guess... Herbert hoover and Reagan... two libertarians Calvin Coolidge probably makes it up there too under that guide
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    …Christopher Hitchens? And explain to me why I should care what he says? He's not even a real leftist.…
    Is that all you can say about Christopher Hitchens? Did he claim to be?
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    I've only ever heard Republicans cynically say that Obama's supporters called him the second coming. I've never heard anyone actually say that sincerely.

    To me, when Obama was running, he struck me as a bread-and-butter Democrat on a policy level, and I think that's what he has been. The difference was the rhetoric, which for some reason resonated with young people on a big level. I didn't personally get it. Bill Clinton could hypnotize me. Obama sounded like platitudes. I didn't care, though, I vote based on policy. I think what changed, though, is that some conservatives started running as hardliners who would not think for themselves once elected but would hold true to very rigid ideas. I'm not sure that's how a representative democracy should work. The person is supposed to represent you and exercise judgment, not go in as a functional road block. People get mad that Congress is dysfunctional, but they've gotten exactly what they asked for when they voted for people who promised not to budge on anything. I think Obama has been fairly flexible. But I'm sure I have a bias, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    In my opinion the US has a very weak democracy... if any at all.

    Only two realistic options and both of them are owned by the financial elite.

    Today it costs you a billion dollars to become president. It seems like every term the president has more and more strings pulling him.

    The US is the clearest example but this applies to many other countries. In general democracy in the world is weaker than we would like to believe. The big decisions are made in smoke-filled rooms and they don't give a shit what the public wants.

    I've seen this in my own country which is usually in the top 3 on lists of the most democratic and least corrupt countries. Despite that it's still obvious that the financial elite has a stronger hold on the government (and the opposition) than the public.
    Kudos to Iceland, which went after the corrupt bankers. We (the U.S.) should be so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Is that all you can say about Christopher Hitchens? Did he claim to be?
    Cry me a river.

    OneTwo, you said it well enough. None of Obama's supporters even claimed Obama was the second coming or that he was some superman. They are just making things up to discredit those who voted for him. The same right wingers (including some on this forum) claim Obama supporters were getting free gifts... lol.

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    ^ I'm sorry about my last post, Gio. You probably don't know who Humphrey Bogart is…or how he speaks. He relied on scriptwriters and cue-cards too.


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    Yes !
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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    He is much worse than just another politician. There is virtually nothing about the country that he likes, and he wants to change i.e. destroy everything, including the people, the culture, the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    He is much worse than just another politician. There is virtually nothing about the country that he likes, and he wants to change i.e. destroy everything, including the people, the culture, the economy.
    More blind hatred. Your post is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    He is much worse than just another politician. There is virtually nothing about the country that he likes, and he wants to change i.e. destroy everything, including the people, the culture, the economy.
    The majority of Americans disagree with you.

    Ergo - YOU are anti-American.
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    blah, blah..... Obama evil..... Obama bad......Obama out to destroy everything..... all Obama's fault..... Obama kill......



    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    The majority of Americans disagree with you.

    Ergo - YOU are anti-American.
    He's not even American......

    Merde!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    In my opinion the US has a very weak democracy... if any at all.

    Only two realistic options and both of them are owned by the financial elite.

    Today it costs you a billion dollars to become president. It seems like every term the president has more and more strings pulling him.

    The US is the clearest example but this applies to many other countries. In general democracy in the world is weaker than we would like to believe. The big decisions are made in smoke-filled rooms and they don't give a shit what the public wants.

    I've seen this in my own country which is usually in the top 3 on lists of the most democratic and least corrupt countries. Despite that it's still obvious that the financial elite has a stronger hold on the government (and the opposition) than the public.
    The weakness of American democracy results from our system of popular elections of the president, rather than a parliamentary system. The talents needed to get elected are not those needed to be a good president. A good appearance, very good speaking ability, and above all a good smile may get him elected. But once elected he wants to continue to do what he does best: look good, smile, and make good speeches. Obama and Clinton have been great candidates, but poor presidents, because they think their job is to keep running.
    If a homogeneous country like Iceland is less than democratic, it is almost impossible for a designedly divisive non-homogenous, huge country like the US to maintain democracy. For partisan purposes, the democrat party has worked for and encouraged division and decisiveness. Divide and conquer is the unspoken motto of that party
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    Or so Republicans claim, though nobody knows what they mean by it...
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Kudos to Iceland, which went after the corrupt bankers. We (the U.S.) should be so lucky.
    Our recovery and actions are much overrated.

    Not a single person in jail and the public is still being asked to pay for the crash.

    Our government was almost debt free in 2008 and now about a tenth of the tax money is used to pay interests of foreign loans. Not the total payment, just the interests.

    Our three major banks are now owned by foreigners who are shipping the profit overseas while the public is stuck with mortgages which have skyrocketed.

    The only thing I'm proud of is how we refused to pay the Uk and Netherlands but that only happened because we got a referendum on it. The government, which is submissive towards the international financial elite, made three attempts to make the taxpayers pay.

    I guess we have done some things better than other countries but it's still overrated. We should not be made an example on how to do it the right way.

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    Bit of a letdown so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    ^ I'm sorry about my last post, Gio. You probably don't know who Humphrey Bogart is…or how he speaks. He relied on scriptwriters and cue-cards too.
    I honestly don't care and don't care for more of the same old unsubstantiated attacks. As I said in another thread, one can't compromise with white supremacists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The weakness of American democracy results from our system of popular elections of the president, rather than a parliamentary system. The talents needed to get elected are not those needed to be a good president. A good appearance, very good speaking ability, and above all a good smile may get him elected. But once elected he wants to continue to do what he does best: look good, smile, and make good speeches. Obama and Clinton have been great candidates, but poor presidents, because they think their job is to keep running.
    If a homogeneous country like Iceland is less than democratic, it is almost impossible for a designedly divisive non-homogenous, huge country like the US to maintain democracy. For partisan purposes, the democrat party has worked for and encouraged division and decisiveness. Divide and conquer is the unspoken motto of that party
    What baloney. Obama and Clinton have been pretty decent presidents, and all the GOP has had to offer is more of the same old failure and misery. Obama has offered leadership, but just an adequate amount. Nothing great. However, look at what the other party is offering and then get back to me. Obama has been a decent president, and has done well enough with the cards he has been given. A hostile republican party that sought to make him a one term President from day one... in fact in that regard, he's been a success in dealing with the nasty attacks by the GOP.

    Such blind hatred... such an ignorant response.

    Oh and Iceland's recovery? Want a REAL recovery? Look at Brazil. One where the people lead the recovery under a leftist government. Brazil is the only correct way of pursuing a stable future. This is a social-democracy that refuses to even consider such bullshit like austerity.
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    I've been asked, in my personal life, what the country would have been like had the 2008 U.S. presidential election been won instead by John McCain?

    With a president John McCain, the winner of that election for vice president would have been Sarah Palin. This can challenge the mind in thinking about what that would have been like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwothreefour View Post
    I've only ever heard Republicans cynically say that Obama's supporters called him the second coming. I've never heard anyone actually say that sincerely.
    Well, I'm not even American. So, uh...and I am liberal to a fault. People need to stop idolizing politicians (or other people in general, for that matter). The American system is far too complex for one simple person to swing in 'hope and change'. All of the pieces need to fall into place to bring change. Not just one, aka Obama. And how public intellectuals (or well educated individuals in general) fell for such a charm offensive, I'll never know...

    America is very peculiar in the regard that politicians are pretty much celebrities. Tragically, Canada is going down the same path with Justin Trudeau. Ugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    …America is very peculiar in the regard that politicians are pretty much celebrities. Tragically, Canada is going down the same path with Justin Trudeau. Ugh...
    Unfortunately Australia is doing the same. We have almost one quarter ex-Irish-Catholic unfortunately and they LOVE creating myths, idols and saints to venerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Unfortunately Australia is doing the same. We have almost one quarter ex-Irish-Catholic unfortunately and they LOVE creating myths, idols and saints to venerate.
    Is more Catholic bashing in the works?

    This is CE&P. Lets stick to substance.

    Nobody is idolizing Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    He is much worse than just another politician. There is virtually nothing about the country that he likes, and he wants to change i.e. destroy everything, including the people, the culture, the economy.
    I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings. Obama won the election in 2008 and won reelection in 2012. It was in all the papers.

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    The correct answer is...


    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Yes !
    What else were you expecting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    America is very peculiar in the regard that politicians are pretty much celebrities.
    You may be right. Well-noted celebrity, George W. Bush traded Sammy Sosa to the White Sox before he (Bush) became president. Even a broken watch is correct twice a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    Our recovery and actions are much overrated.

    Not a single person in jail and the public is still being asked to pay for the crash.

    Our government was almost debt free in 2008 and now about a tenth of the tax money is used to pay interests of foreign loans. Not the total payment, just the interests.

    Our three major banks are now owned by foreigners who are shipping the profit overseas while the public is stuck with mortgages which have skyrocketed.

    The only thing I'm proud of is how we refused to pay the Uk and Netherlands but that only happened because we got a referendum on it. The government, which is submissive towards the international financial elite, made three attempts to make the taxpayers pay.

    I guess we have done some things better than other countries but it's still overrated. We should not be made an example on how to do it the right way.
    My bad. I was misinformed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Is more Catholic bashing in the works?

    This is CE&P. Lets stick to substance.

    Nobody is idolizing Obama.
    Have you been on Mars? Or between the years of 2006-2012?
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    Have you been on Mars? Or between the years of 2006-2012?
    Oh I've seen the world plenty. There are only those putz in the republican party that claim Obama supporters elevate him to godlike status. For one, I've done plenty of fucking campaigning and what-not... to know otherwise.

    People had human expectations.

    Only from republicans have I seen answers that Obama supporters elevated him to such a level. And none of it is truthful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    My bad. I was misinformed.
    Don't worry about it for some reason we have been made the poster child in this whole mess. Sure better than Greece and Ireland but far from great.

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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    Yes he is. There is no way to get things done in Washington if you aren't. Sadly, he isn't much of one, but he is better than anything the right is offering up, so we settle.

    Personally, I think is he had a better advisory team, he could be one of the greats. He is a great speaker and energizer, all he needs is the brains behind him to get things passed and move this country in a more liberal direction.

    *sigh* Re-elect Bill Clinton already. Even republicans like him.

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    See, I think that's the issue, Apollo. He doesn't have puppeteers to work wonders. Given his speeches and books 2004 onward, I would have pegged him to be a brilliant president and strategist. Alas, anyone with an ounce of heart and brain knows one person can't master all, and I don't think he has team to support him. Hence this absurd 'charm offensive' to make-do with broken promises.

    I am indifferent until DOMA is canned, and until Obama focuses (aggressively) on domestic issues. The infrastructure nightmares I read in the news make the Gardiner in Toronto look like the Eighth Wonder...

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh I've seen the world plenty. There are only those putz in the republican party that claim Obama supporters elevate him to godlike status. For one, I've done plenty of fucking campaigning and what-not... to know otherwise.

    People had human expectations.

    Only from republicans have I seen answers that Obama supporters elevated him to such a level. And none of it is truthful.
    You very obviously don't know the definition of 'celebrity'. But, being in LA, I don't fault you. And given that I haven't noticed a single one of your posts until this thread, and you've accumulated nearly 12000, you may return overall irrelevancy. Thanks for the post comment.
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    ^

    I know what that last sentence means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Callum- View Post
    You very obviously don't know the definition of 'celebrity'. But, being in LA, I don't fault you. And given that I haven't noticed a single one of your posts until this thread, and you've accumulated nearly 12000, you may return overall irrelevancy. Thanks for the post comment.
    Read my posts again. I said nothing about celebrity status. I'm talking about godlike status or idolizing. And I am not very concerned if one has noticed my posts or not. Thanks for the bullshit response though. Maybe some should stick to Hot Topics where the trolls lurk? CE&P is a different kind of forum... one that requires a bit of proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    What has happened to the universal healthcare? I never hear anything about it anymore..
    Most States began the FIRST phase of implementing Obamacare last year after the election. Several Republican Governed States ARE on board..And several Popular-Big-Mouthed Republican Governors havent been afraid to annouce it PUBLICLY...

    ObamaCare goes into FULL affect Nationwide in 2014...

    So what Rock have you been living under Dude?



    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    Bit of a letdown so far.
    As an American Citizen that Votes you feel let down by the person YOU Voted for President?

    So you don't Feel Safer TODAY under Obama's watch than you did on 911?

    You Feel he's been the worst President for the Gay Rights Movement?

    Did you feel Let down when He signed the Recovery Act that PROTECTED Educator jobs in our Country?

    You feel let because he hasnt done ANYTHING for Womens Rights in a Country Dominated by White Men that look like you?

    You Feel he's not Sincere in wanting to Reform Immigration?

    Did You Feel Let down when he issued an Executive order to protect young undocumented immigrants from deportation?

    You feel he's more of a Warmonger President than any President before him?

    You Feel ObamaCare is a Minus for people with terminal illnesses that couldnt get insurance BEFORE Obamacare was passed?

    You Feel ending the Iraq War, Killing Bin Laden and standing Firm on getting our Troops out of Afghanistan is just "Child play"?

    You think adding Minority & Gay Females to The Supreme Court is a Let down instead of a Plus?


    Most of you are saying..."Yeah he did some things, but you see, I don't like the hype that surrounds him..So because of that I'm gonna lessen the things he has done"...

    If the Gay folks in this thread are a reflection of the Gay Community as a whole then Obama is a Damn FOOL for being Fearless with his Statements on Gay Rights...

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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    He's just another politician. It's just that everyone was desperate for some change after 8 years of Bush, and they looked to Obama as if he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. He's not doing a bad job at all, but everyone expected way too much of him.

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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    I saw this thread in the Hot Topics section yesterday and I thought "It's only a matter of time before certain forum members jump in to drama-queen it up".

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    Nothing drama queens a thread up quite as well as someone popping up for no reason but to exclaim how it's been drama queened up ^_^
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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe5 View Post
    I saw this thread in the Hot Topics section yesterday and I thought "It's only a matter of time before certain forum members jump in to drama-queen it up".
    Pot calling the kettle black.

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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    The correct answer is...




    What else were you expecting?
    Exactly. I usually expect nothing from people and usually get what I expect. Obama is just a politician or we wouldn't have this ridiculous health care law, for instance.... at least we got one to improve -- but he is just another man. He is a GOD compared to the morons we could have gotten in both cases but he is just another suit.


    The nature of our system makes it so that even the most powerful man in the world is simply a suit that must often go along to get along. That is both the beauty and the burn in our system.... I kinda like it still. I think i will stick around... :P
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    Re: Is Obama just another politician?

    The public option wasn't going to pass the senate. There were at least 3 democrats in the senate opposed to it and they probably regret not passing it now. Pelosi passed the public option through the house twice. Democrats had to pass a bill and they did. Obamacare is a good start, it says that healthcare is a right not a privilege and rewards health.

    Looking back, Obama did seem to give up on reform at one point but he also made it happen no matter what it took.

    We know the roles of the senators who wouldn't support the wishes of the vast majority of Americans, that is every single republican in the house and every single republican in the senate. And the public option isn't dead, there will be medicaid expansion, and states have the ability to create their own public option.

    There are dozens of important reforms in the affordable care act.

    Every time I hear an attack on Obamacare, I don't believe its an attack on the President or Democrats or the bill itself. Its an example of even how opponents of healthcare reform wished we had a public option because they know in their heads and their hearts it was the right thing to do, passing healthcare reform was the right thing to do.

    Republicans know that they need healthcare more than democrats, they are sicker and poorer, the are just too stupid to know what is good for them so they would rather whine like babies and let the blue states do all the work.
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    More blah, blah, blah about ObamaCare and claims about what HE promised.…People can continue to go after Obama for not pushing harder for a Public Option/Universal care when he became President; But the FACT still remains then Senator Obama NEVER promised a Public Option. I watched his Million Stump speeches for 2yrs like most Folks. A Public Option was put on the table & became a heated Debate after he was elected..I feel the Final Bill SHOULD have included a Public Option but even though it doesn’t Millions of people will still get coverage.

    Can we Blame the Dems for excluding a Public Option in the Final Bill?..Absolutely…We still had the Fucking House and the Damn Senate…Hello….The House passed the ObamaCare Bill WITH the Public Option included then the Senate Bitched it down. Our favorite Sell-out Lieberman WASN’T having a Public Option as part of the package…

    In recent events my Governor, Nikki Haley could have COVERED 500,000 people by Implementing ObamaCare and she PROUDLY said “FUCK ObamaCare” and “Fuck South Carolina”… Keep in mind South Carolina Republicans STILL voted for this Woman that PRETENDS she’s White AFTER she received endorsements from Mountain Lover-Man Gov. Sanford and that ridiculous woman from Alaska…I never seen so many Tea-Party people blanket my State I wanted to leave until the stench passed...So this is Just Deserts for poor Republican voters and heartache for Poor Democratic voters that needed the coverage..We got an Ass of Poor Whites Living in rural areas, the Hills, Cities & towns..Some of those Dummies have gone on local radio saying “Yeah we showed Obama, Obamacare is dead, dead, dead here, Hip-Hip hooray!”…

    Country-Bumpkin IDIOTS..… They claim to be God fearing Christians, poor, mostly ignorant and would rather DIE a senseless death if it means sticking it to Obama and his Black Face… God help my Poor South Carolinian Brothers & Sisters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Country-Bumpkin IDIOTS..… They claim to be God fearing Christians, poor, mostly ignorant and would rather DIE a senseless death if it means sticking it to Obama and his Black Face… God help my Poor South Carolinian Brothers & Sisters...
    Your South Carolinian Brothers & Sisters don't seem to have a problem with Republican senator Tim Scott and his Black face.......

    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Your South Carolinian Brothers & Sisters don't seem to have a problem with Republican senator Tim Scott and his Black face.......
    Man you NEED to stop the Madness....Tim Scott was anointed by Tea-Party GrandFather Jim DeMint then appointed by Tea-Party backed Gov. Haley...

    Do your homework you Slacker...

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