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    Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    I found a letter from a gay Democrat, that went out to all major newspapers this week that carry the "Dear Abby" column.

    A gay man & a Democrat explained to "Abby" that he was single for 7 years, but for the past 10 months he has been dating a gay man, "Mark," who is a Republican. The gay Democrat and Mark (the gay Republican) are aware of their differences in political views, but they really care for each other & are having a good relationship.

    The only problem is that the gay Democrat's other gay Democrat friends have stopped calling him and no longer invite him to gatherings.......because he happens to be in a relationship with a gay Republican.

    "Dear Abby" wrote back & told him that he should ditch his bigoted, narrow minded, gay Democrat "friends"...

    I love "Dear Abby"! Tell it, honey!

    Here is the link & excerpt...........

    http://news.yahoo.com/wife-cant-forg...050026109.html

    DEAR ABBY: I am a gay man who has been single for seven years. I met this guy, "Mark," about 10 months ago and we hit it off immediately. We have almost everything in common except that I'm a Democrat and he's a Republican. We both know how we feel about our political differences and decided to continue dating anyway.

    My problem concerns my other gay friends, mostly Democrats, who don't like Mark because he's a Republican. I have tried explaining to them that we overlook our differences and concentrate on the many things we have in common, and they should try to do the same. But they no longer invite me to gatherings and their phone calls have ceased.

    I feel hurt and rejected by my closest friends, some of whom I have known my whole life. I feel torn between them and Mark, who is someone I really care for. Is it wrong to continue my relationship with my boyfriend at the expense of my friends? -- POLITICALLY INCORRECT

    DEAR POLITICALLY INCORRECT: Twenty-twelve was a particularly heated election year, with important issues at stake and negative campaigning bringing out the worst in many people. Now that the election has been decided, one would hope that inflamed emotions will settle down and life can return to normal.

    I know several couples who have strong and happy "mixed" marriages in which the spouses do not always agree politically. It is a shame that you would be required to choose between the man you care for and your longtime friends, who want to ignore that there are also gay Republicans.

    I see nothing wrong with continuing your relationship with Mark; however, I think it may be time for you to expand your circle of friends if this is how your old ones behave. You'll all be happier if you do. Trust me on that.
    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    So....... this means, what?

    Fess up Jayqueer, you wrote that letter.
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    I would be one of the friends he would have to ditch. I really sincerely tried to come to terms with gay Republicans some years back...but it isn't happening. I find them to have a complete lack of empathy, insight or appreciation for the struggles other people face and that is a complete turn off for me.

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Here's the problem for me. I'm a registered Independent who is conservative on many issues. I'd probably be Republician but I can't as of now.
    Not when the party platform is being written by Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council. Not when making us second class citizens is part of the platform.
    I won't shun someone but I'm NOT willing to overlook the fact the way it stand right now,the Republician party wants me to go back in the closet and stay there.

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    And? I'm trying to figure out the point of this thread.

    I wouldn't date a republican, but that's more down to preference. I don't see the problem with someone not wanting to date a republican. Usually they are closet cases. I wouldn't date one who is affiliated with a political party intent on sabotaging my rights as a person. I can see why Mark's friends did what they did.

    And I'm with EastofEden on this one. The one gay republican I knew put his checkbook over his rights. That's deplorable. I even told him the republican party has been terrible for both his checkbook and rights, but he didn't listen. I can't deal with delusional people like that.
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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    The OP typed the word "gay" nine times and the word "Democrat" six times in his litany. Loves to label people.....

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    ^^^^& of course used the bushism "Democrat friends" instead of friends who are Democrats. Sounds like he works for Fox.

    I've already said how in the 80s, acquaintenances of mine voted for Reagan. Partially because of St Ronnie's "don't educate the public about AIDS, it's only a gay disease" policies, most of those guys are dead, from AIDS
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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Having looked closer at the letter written... I too am beginning to doubt its validity and credibility. It doesn't look like someone real wrote that. There are too many red flags going up... particularly with the second paragraph.

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    Didn't Abby die a while back?
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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    You know, I learned something. Dear Abby died January 16, 2013 (aged 94). This letter is dated "By Abigail Van Buren | Dear Abby – Wed, Mar 13, 2013." Is she writing from the grave now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Is she writing from the grave now?
    Yes, but not really.

    Dear Abby is ... carried on today by her daughter, Jeanne Phillips, who now owns the legal rights to the pen name. [Wiki]

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    In JQ's world everyone is their party affiliation first, and nothing else second.

    And for someone who needs a non-intellectual, conservative, big blond beefy Republican patriarch or it's a NO GO, talking about bigotry and exclusion is a bit silly...
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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I found a letter from a gay Democrat, that went out to all major newspapers this week that carry the "Dear Abby" column.

    A gay man & a Democrat explained to "Abby" that he was single for 7 years, but for the past 10 months he has been dating a gay man, "Mark," who is a Republican. The gay Democrat and Mark (the gay Republican) are aware of their differences in political views, but they really care for each other & are having a good relationship.

    The only problem is that the gay Democrat's other gay Democrat friends have stopped calling him and no longer invite him to gatherings.......because he happens to be in a relationship with a gay Republican.

    "Dear Abby" wrote back & told him that he should ditch his bigoted, narrow minded, gay Democrat "friends"...

    I love "Dear Abby"! Tell it, honey!

    Here is the link & excerpt...........

    http://news.yahoo.com/wife-cant-forg...050026109.html
    Understandable all around.

    The man is in love with a man, and they disagree politically. It's not about politics. It's about the relationship. Their relationship. Doesn't sound like politics is important.

    At least one of the friends could explain the snub. But, in all frankness, they probably figure there's no need to explain to a gay man, who is Democratic, why they don't want to remain in touch and keep company with the Republican partner.

    The expert's advice was fine. The friends left. The man wants friends; so he'll need to find replacement friends.

    One thing I find interesting is that there seems to be little mentioned about romantic relationships between people who are political opposites. That is a topic different from the content of this thread. (But still it would be a worthy discussion.)

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    What does political affiliation have to do with being invited to parties?
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Maybe at the parties they don't want big political arguments... I can't be friends with gay republicans... I just don't see how I could be sympathetic with sell outs.

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    I am perplexed at this. First of all, it's fairly obvious to me that the whole letter is bogus. It reeks of Republican victim-playing. Second, why SHOULDN'T Republican gays be ostracized by other gays? I don't have anything to bond over with a person that's so damaged that they'd embrace THAT fucking hate-machine.
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    While I certainly wouldn't throw out a friend over his boyfriend (barring egregious circumstance), I have to say, you have a right to your opinions, you don't have a right to be liked.
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    Ah, every once in awhile, JayQueer rears his head to troll the CE&P community with a new thread to insult gay men who identify as Democrats. It's always the same, subtle trolling before he disappears again for a month until the heat cools off of him. Don't even recognize this as a legitimate discussion. It was meant for a very specific kind of twisted baiting. JayQueer has no intention of participating in this forum community, nor engaging in any serious discussion here in his own thread.
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    I have some Republican friends (all of them are straight) and even my older sister is a Republican, and I have no problem with them at all.

    However, I have two Republican aunts that I loathe talking to, because every conversation degenerates into them parroting whatever derp-tastic crap they heard spewed by Glen Beck or Fox News.

    I'm totally cool with the first category of Republicans - it's the second group (aka Derpublicans) that I cannot fucking stand.

    I wouldn't mind dating a Republican, but I'd rather eat glass and get a hot lava enema than date (much less fuck) a Derpublican.

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    If Democrats are the party of tolerance, then they wouldn't care if the boyfriend is a Republican.
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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonpaine View Post
    If Democrats are the party of tolerance, then they wouldn't care if the boyfriend is a Republican.
    Nice attempt to turn it around... fail.

    If republicans were consistent, they would accept equal rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonpaine View Post
    If Democrats are the party of tolerance, then they wouldn't care if the boyfriend is a Republican.
    Actually, letting hate roam free is not tolerance, it's being a doormat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Nice attempt to turn it around... fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by just_believe18 View Post
    ah, every once in awhile, jayqueer rears his head to troll the ce&p community with a new thread to insult gay men who identify as democrats. It's always the same, subtle trolling before he disappears again for a month until the heat cools off of him. Don't even recognize this as a legitimate discussion. It was meant for a very specific kind of twisted baiting. Jayqueer has no intention of participating in this forum community, nor engaging in any serious discussion here in his own thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonpaine View Post
    If Democrats are the party of tolerance, then they wouldn't care if the boyfriend is a Republican.
    So are you telling us the republican party isn't tolerant?

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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I would be one of the friends he would have to ditch. I really sincerely tried to come to terms with gay Republicans some years back...but it isn't happening. I find them to have a complete lack of empathy, insight or appreciation for the struggles other people face and that is a complete turn off for me.

    Nailed it!
    That's been my personal experience too.

    My BFF since middle school is a Straight Texas Republican.

    And I love the Dude!

    But the difference between him, and most "Gay Republicans" that I know, is that he actually gives a shit and wants to change the Texas Republican Party..along with it's platform from the "inside" instead of just voting for those clowns.

    So JayQueer it's good that you found a "Dear Abby' column which seems to speak to your own personal narrative.

    Thank you for sharing.

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    So Centex, you wouldn't be friends with Ted Cruz? How intolerant and hateful!












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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually, letting hate roam free is not tolerance, it's being a doormat.
    I always get a good laugh when right wingers and their apologists say things like,

    "...if you don't like me, if you disagree with me, if you argue with me, if you don't want to associate with me, you are oppressive and intolerant..."

    No, tolerance is not pandering to someone, tolerance is me not coming over to your house and beating the fuck out of you for voting for haters and bigots who try to fuck with MY life.

    If some gay pubber is going to whine that I don't like him because he votes for homophobes, boo fuckin hoo, and there is nothing intolerant about that.
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    Re: Gay Democrat writes to "Dear Abby" about bigotry

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    The OP typed the word "gay" nine times and the word "Democrat" six times in his litany. Loves to label people.....
    I bet you use the word "roses" often when talking about them.

    Or do you deliberately get vague so people can't tell who or what you're talking about?

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    If his friends ditched him merely because his BF is a Republican, he doesn't need them -- he needs real friends.

    Real friends would stick around -- and occasionally asked the BF, "So when's the wedding?"

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I bet you use the word "roses" often when talking about them.

    Or do you deliberately get vague so people can't tell who or what you're talking about?
    JQ has this thing where every other word in his posts is either "gay" or the name of one of the two major parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    JQ has this thing where every other word in his posts is either "gay" or the name of one of the two major parties.
    It's all about labels for certain posters... they like to slap labels on people. They think those on the left are intolerant of their intolerant viewpoints... and some can't get beyond the fact that the world doesn't revolve around two party politics. There is a whole world out there.

    And I don't even know why I entertained that poorly written letter anyways... with all of its red flags. It's totally fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    If his friends ditched him merely because his BF is a Republican, he doesn't need them -- he needs real friends.

    Real friends would stick around -- and occasionally asked the BF, "So when's the wedding?"
    To be fair, we've only got one side of the story. For all we know, the Republican BF is a total asshole to the Democrat's friends, or makes every conversation into an Obama-bashing diatribe (like my Derpublican aunts). That, or the Republican BF is one of those closeted guys that constantly back anti-gay legislation and spew bigoted rhetoric, like Larry Craig.

    Take this thread , for example. Even though you're into guns and god (and i'm not), I would love to meet you in person because you come off as a reasonable, intelligent guy that can present your point of view without ranting or foaming at the mouth like Beck or O'Reilly. There are other posters on here (who will remain nameless lest I get the banhammer) that I'd rather not talk to because every conversation of theirs quickly degenerates into xenophobic screeds and thinly veiled racism.

    In other words, I don't hate Republicans - just the ones who are assholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    To be fair, we've only got one side of the story. For all we know, the Republican BF is a total asshole to the Democrat's friends, or makes every conversation into an Obama-bashing diatribe (like my Derpublican aunts). That, or the Republican BF is one of those closeted guys that constantly back anti-gay legislation and spew bigoted rhetoric, like Larry Craig.
    Thus my use of the word "merely".

    And if the 'friends' didn't know more than that, I figure asking that question would reveal much.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    So Centex, you wouldn't be friends with Ted Cruz? How intolerant and hateful!












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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    So JayQueer it's good that you found a "Dear Abby' column which seems to speak to your own personal narrative.

    Thank you for sharing.

    We are all more than who we love, or choose to associate with.
    Exactly. Which is why I wanted to share the "Dear Abby" letter here. I felt I could relate.

    Gay conservatives & Gay Republicans feel a lot of isolation both from straight conservatives/Republicans AND from gays, who are mostly very liberal & Democrats.....

    When I am with a lot of straight Republicans, I have to butch it up and not act too "gay".............and when I am in a social setting with a lot of gay people, I have to smile & keep my mouth shut when they bash conservatives and praise every liberal politician or idea.

    Here on JUB, I feel free to be myself.

    I am a gay man with many conservative views. I'm open to dating any man (well, he needs to be masculine & a Top, but that's another discussion).........but I'm open to dating a liberal & Democrat, as long as he is a good, honorable man and respects my right to hold a different opinion on some issues than him.
    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Yes, but not really.
    Oh, Ok. I went to that wiki page but only read about her dying. Thanks, and sorry JQ.
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    I have some Republican friends (all of them are straight) and even my older sister is a Republican, and I have no problem with them at all.

    However, I have two Republican aunts that I loathe talking to, because every conversation degenerates into them parroting whatever derp-tastic crap they heard spewed by Glen Beck or Fox News.

    I'm totally cool with the first category of Republicans - it's the second group (aka Derpublicans) that I cannot fucking stand.

    I wouldn't mind dating a Republican, but I'd rather eat glass and get a hot lava enema than date (much less fuck) a Derpublican.
    My two brothers are Republicans, but they don't talk to me because I'm Dem. One of them for 45 years. But their loss.
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    Exactly. Which is why I wanted to share the "Dear Abby" letter here. I felt I could relate.

    Gay conservatives & Gay Republicans feel a lot of isolation both from straight conservatives/Republicans AND from gays, who are mostly very liberal & Democrats.....

    When I am with a lot of straight Republicans, I have to butch it up and not act too "gay".............and when I am in a social setting with a lot of gay people, I have to smile & keep my mouth shut when they bash conservatives and praise every liberal politician or idea.

    Here on JUB, I feel free to be myself.

    I am a gay man with many conservative views. I'm open to dating any man (well, he needs to be masculine & a Top, but that's another discussion).........but I'm open to dating a liberal & Democrat, as long as he is a good, honorable man and respects my right to hold a different opinion on some issues than him.
    Doesn't it get tiresome hanging about on that cross all day.

    You choose your politics - it's not our fault if you're trying to buddy up to people who think you are a perverted faggot going straight to hell. Especially if you fuck the rest of us over in a sad attempt to get the haters to like you.
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    Tell us Jayqueer why aren't you haunting a freeper site? Exactly who is intolerant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    So Centex, you wouldn't be friends with Ted Cruz? How intolerant and hateful!












    Kidding of course
    Apparently ole Ted Cruz found out how tolerant Diane Feinstein is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Exactly. Which is why I wanted to share the "Dear Abby" letter here. I felt I could relate.
    It's too bad the letter looks like a "plant". Meaning not real.

    Gay conservatives & Gay Republicans feel a lot of isolation both from straight conservatives/Republicans AND from gays, who are mostly very liberal & Democrats.....
    And whose problem is that? People choose their political beliefs... so whose fault is it? Why should gay liberals and democrats cozy up to gay republicans? These right wing gay guys affiliate themselves with a party that hates them and wants to discriminate. Good thing there are so few of them to backstab the gay community.

    I am a gay man with many conservative views. I'm open to dating any man (well, he needs to be masculine & a Top, but that's another discussion).........but I'm open to dating a liberal & Democrat, as long as he is a good, honorable man and respects my right to hold a different opinion on some issues than him.
    He needs to be masculine? Is that really another discussion? This thread complains about so called "discrimination" towards gay republicans and conservatives, yet one is willing to leave out guys who aren't masculine.

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    I have to ask - why impose this on yourself, JQ? Sure, you are conservative and bla bla bla. We all know the story. But you don't have to be Republican in order to be conservative. You don't have to have any party affiliation actually, you don't have to hang out with Repugs who hate your guts.

    You deliberately choose to be around those people that force you into a closet. You deliberately choose a side that is disgusted by you. So why should anyone cut you any slack as if you don't have complete control over this situation? You wanna be on the side of hate - don't whine when people treat you like a hater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Exactly. Which is why I wanted to share the "Dear Abby" letter here. I felt I could relate.

    Gay conservatives & Gay Republicans feel a lot of isolation both from straight conservatives/Republicans AND from gays, who are mostly very liberal & Democrats.....

    When I am with a lot of straight Republicans, I have to butch it up and not act too "gay".............and when I am in a social setting with a lot of gay people, I have to smile & keep my mouth shut when they bash conservatives and praise every liberal politician or idea.

    Here on JUB, I feel free to be myself.

    I am a gay man with many conservative views. I'm open to dating any man (well, he needs to be masculine & a Top, but that's another discussion).........but I'm open to dating a liberal & Democrat, as long as he is a good, honorable man and respects my right to hold a different opinion on some issues than him.

    Bullshit.

    Take a look at your life again sunshine.


    We all know that you are not 'yourself' on JUB.

    If you think you have to butch it up with your fellow traveller Republicans.....what a fucking waste of a life.

    And I can guarantee you that your fantasy about all liberals not being able to associate with conservatives is just total bullshit nonsense.

    Even here on JUB, we would have no problem with you holding a different viewpoint or perspective, but it constantly seems to be based on some self absorbed, me first, self-hating anti-homo rights theology that you subscribe to. That is why you get challenged.

    And I don't understand why you are so intellectually and politically limited down there in that gated community you hide out in. This Friday, we will be hosting a dinner with Americans and Canadians of every political stripe including socialists and hard core libertarians as well as the usual suspect Dems and Repubs. And everyone will get along just fine. And have fun.

    It can be done. But I suspect it can't in the lives of those who only have their partisan politics to talk about.

    But to the crux of it. I can't think of the number of times when I've seen those poor shrinking violet knee-jerk partisans fold under any challenge to their ideology or selection of candidates and run off crying before they are even hurt.

    Get real guy.

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    Look at it this way... we got to hear about JQ's sexual fantasies again. It's been a while since he shared them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I bet you use the word "roses" often when talking about them.

    Or do you deliberately get vague so people can't tell who or what you're talking about?
    WTH are you going on about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Exactly. Which is why I wanted to share the "Dear Abby" letter here. I felt I could relate.

    Gay conservatives & Gay Republicans feel a lot of isolation both from straight conservatives/Republicans AND from gays, who are mostly very liberal & Democrats.....

    When I am with a lot of straight Republicans, I have to butch it up and not act too "gay".............and when I am in a social setting with a lot of gay people, I have to smile & keep my mouth shut when they bash conservatives and praise every liberal politician or idea.

    Here on JUB, I feel free to be myself.

    I am a gay man with many conservative views. I'm open to dating any man (well, he needs to be masculine & a Top, but that's another discussion).........but I'm open to dating a liberal & Democrat, as long as he is a good, honorable man and respects my right to hold a different opinion on some issues than him.
    So the Republican party requires you to be dishonest. That means they don't understand liberty, because liberty means honoring self-ownership, and where self-ownership is honored, you don't have to hide who you are.

    No wonder we get so much cognitive dissonance from Republican congress-critters.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    WTH are you going on about?
    You were objecting to him using accurate adjectives to refer to the people he was talking about.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Exactly. Which is why I wanted to share the "Dear Abby" letter here. I felt I could relate.
    Since you quoted me, and you haven't responded to anyone sense you quoted me, I'll respond, but first you:

    Gay conservatives & Gay Republicans feel a lot of isolation both from straight conservatives/Republicans AND from gays, who are mostly very liberal & Democrats.....
    You're perception not there's, because in my experience most people that I know don't walk around as their personal identifiers with the same "labels" that you use.

    When I am with a lot of straight Republicans,
    That's part of your problem right there, but please proceed:

    I have to butch it up and not act too "gay".............and when I am in a social setting with a lot of gay people, I have to smile & keep my mouth shut when they bash conservatives and praise every liberal politician or idea.
    Once again, where...and who do you hang out with?

    I've been in those same "social settings" for years, and bashing conservatives has NEVER been at the top of our topics of conversation.



    So please don't attempt to flatter yourself.

    Here on JUB, I feel free to be myself.
    Of course you do.

    You don't have to share with anyone who you really are, you can hide behind the pretence of privacy, and share whatever you want; either to confirm or deny your own personal prejudices without giving anyone else a chance of being truthful and honest.

    And if they are, you find some other reason for them NOT TO BE, then write them off.

    Or just not respond at all when you're called on your actioins.

    I am a gay man with many conservative views.
    Absolutely nothing wrong with that, and as a Moderator I like to think that I have a reputation for defending those here who are.

    I'm open to dating any man
    I would think that a prerequiste for being gay, but you have some conditions, so please go on...

    (well, he needs to be masculine & a Top, but that's another discussion).........but I'm open to dating a liberal & Democrat, as long as he is a good, honorable man and respects my right to hold a different opinion on some issues than him.
    I'd be hard pressed to find many self respecting Gay Men, either those who live in Orange County, California, or West Hollywood, or Fort Worth, Texas that would or could find disagreement with you in your perspective there.

    Where you EPIC FAIL, in my opinion, and those of others who regularly post in this forum are your broad generalizations regarding the WHOLE of the worldwide Gay Community.

    Which is why, if you truly are who you present yourself to be, then you should get out more.

    Otherwise STFU comes to mind.
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    I'm open to dating any man
    Oh my gosh. I can't believe I missed this little gem. Forget the rest of the post.

    Open to dating any man? As long as he's not feminine, Latino, and keeps his mouth shut about his political views lol. We all know you prefer hunky white republican military types. Yeah... best wishes with that lol.

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