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    Re: First Republican Senator comes out in favor of marriage equality!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
    I caught a quick interview on the morning news where Senator Portman was asked if the Romney campaign was made aware of these issues during his vetting process about his gay son and resultant upport for gay marriage.

    He laughed, and said oh yes, that they were very thorough in their vetting. I have to wonder if he was not picked as the VP because of this issue.

    If he had been on the ticket and this news had gotten out before the election, I wonder...
    That's a good point.

    Prior to the selection of Paul Ryan, I expected Portman to be the vice presidential nominee. I thought that because Ohio was so critical to the outcome of the 2012 presidential election, Romney would want to maximize his chances in the state with an Ohio running mate. There were polls in Ohio that indicated that Portman would have helped Romney win the state. At the time, however, I was not aware that Portman had a gay son.

    Given Romney's profound homophobia, I would not be the least bit surprised if Portman was rejected as a running mate because of his gay son. While I personally don't think this would have changed the outcome of the election, there is always that possibility. Which means it is conceivable that Romney's (and the Republican Party's) hatred of gays cost them the 2012 election.


    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBlue71 View Post
    Among G.O.P. Voters, Little Support for Same-Sex Marriage

    By Nate Silver
    March 15, 2013 | http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...-sex-marriage/

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    While two-thirds of America favors gay marriage, almost all of that two-thirds is within the Democratic Party. For whatever reason, the Republican base remains profoundly homophobic. That does not augur well for Republicans generally coming out in favor of gay rights.

    It is probable that, despite majority American support for gay rights, half of America's legislators will continue to oppose such legislation aggressively.


    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    .....why is it that Republicans consistently only support things that affect them personally?
    This question has fascinated me for a long time.

    The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals support legislation for the common good, while conservatives support legislation for themselves.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with advocating on behalf of oneself. But Republicans seem incapable of seeing any viewpoint beyond their own self-interest, and have insisted (in recent years) that they cannot compromise their own interest for the public good.

    It is remarkably selfish.
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    Re: First Republican Senator comes out in favor of marriage equality!!!

    While I doubt if his family was not affected by this issue personally, he would of changed his views, it is refreshing that he is willing to change his view for his son, at the very least he seems to be a good father.

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    Re: First Republican Senator comes out in favor of marriage equality!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I think it's a parent's duty to do that. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't recognize when a parent does his duty, especially when it means such professional risk for him.

    I have to wonder though, why didn't he do this before the election?
    Maybe he decided it would have greater impact coming from an actual US Senator?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: First Republican Senator comes out in favor of marriage equality!!!

    Bottom line,the Republicians used the Moral Majority to get votes and get elected. You can't get away from that base overnight.

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    Re: First Republican Senator comes out in favor of marriage equality!!!

    The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals support legislation for the common good, while conservatives support legislation for themselves
    Conservatives say the same thing about liberals, of course. That's the origin of Romney's 47% comment: those people only vote Democratic 'cause they're lazy and want to live off the government dole.

    This idea also ignores the demonstrable fact that the vast majority of Republicans vote against their economic self-interest (see What's the Matter with Kansas).

    I reject this kind of argumentation; it's too pat. It sure is easy to see one's enemies as wearing black hats and twisting their waxed mustaches. But it's precisely the same lack of empathy that we lefties criticize the right for.
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    Re: First Republican Senator comes out in favor of marriage equality!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zingerific View Post
    Conservatives say the same thing about liberals, of course. That's the origin of Romney's 47% comment: those people only vote Democratic 'cause they're lazy and want to live off the government dole.
    Yes, of course, Republicans make the opposite claim. But theirs is just a talking point. It is a statement not based on facts. Half of America is just living off the dole of the other half? Even a cursory look at the numbers shows that claim to be absurd with a capital "A". Only about 4 million Americans receive welfare payments, which is <1.3% of the population. About 47 million Americans get food stamps, which is still <15% of the population. And most of those people are working (but for very low wages). Some of these are even military families. You can hardly call these people lazy moochers. And what numbers we do see are a reflection of the phenomenal inequality of wealth distribution in America, not evidence of people too lazy to work.

    The USA spends less than 15% of its GDP on welfare programs, which ranks 26th of the top 29 developed countries in the world. Comparatively speaking, that's not much.

    The numbers don't even come close to supporting the Republican claim that half of America votes Democratic because half of America is selfishly lazy and trying to mooch off the other half. It is an absurd claim.

    Moreover, there's nothing about green energy that directs money toward people too lazy to work.

    There's nothing about protecting the environment that pays freeloaders.

    There's nothing about gay rights or human rights that supports the public dole.

    And yet, Democrats support these positions because we perceive them to be beneficial to the public good.

    There is nothing wrong with advocating on behalf of one's own interests. But the fact remains, liberals tend to back positions perceived as benefiting the public good. Conservatives tend to back positions perceived as benefiting themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zingerific View Post
    This idea also ignores the demonstrable fact that the vast majority of Republicans vote against their economic self-interest (see What's the Matter with Kansas).
    This is true. Most Republicans ARE voting against their own self-interest when it comes to economic considerations. But they do this because they are convinced that making the rich richer is in their own interest, even though it is not. They are trying to be selfish, but simply failing out of ignorance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zingerific View Post
    I reject this kind of argumentation; it's too pat. It sure is easy to see one's enemies as wearing black hats and twisting their waxed mustaches. But it's precisely the same lack of empathy that we lefties criticize the right for.
    It isn't a "pat" argument if it is backed up by facts. Which it is.

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