Obama Says He Can't Control What Happens at the White House

[GiancarloC]

I don't hate the guy.

I don't follow anyone with blind loyalty either.

Yes, it's total blind hatred. There is a refusal to admit that he has led this country pretty well... not perfectly, but he's done a decent enough job considering the amount of opposition he has faced in the opposing party. The republicans need to admit they have been miserable failures, and their loss in the 2012 Election shows that miserable failure.

[Rolyo85]

I don't follow anyone with blind loyalty either.

Are you sure? Cause all of your posts are verbatim quoted from right wing sources.

[CTF]

This thread illustrates the blind faith in a man what has no idea how to lead. His idea of leadership is to divide.

That argument, in itself is a straw man of your own creation.

I have plenty to be upset with Obama about, this nickel and dime bullshit is the very least of it.

How about bringing an "A Game" instead of the usual ad nauseam non sequitors?

[Jack Springer]

No straw man -- the guy shut down the White House to visitors when he didn't have to do it -- he used the ploy to make his point. His point has him down in the polls.

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.

Hell, the guy can't even produce a budget on time.

All I hear on CEP is how great Obama is in every thread about him. Only a few have ever admitted he had some faults.

Blind faith has it's consequences -- eventually you get screwed .. .and not the good kind.

Every thread on CEP about a republican gets trashed -- WTF is the difference. Today all the usuals trashed a republican governor for coming out for marriage equality for gays ... and yet they trashed him and every republican living.

I'm not seeing an "A Game" there.

Go beat up on someone else.

[mightbe]

His ratings matter far less in the second term. Obama has tried on the economy and jobs; it'll be pain fully slow, but it'll grow. He does not write the budget. Obama is also center-right, dangerously so.

All proven.

Obama does fuck up. A lot. He actually is a black Bush, with a few more ideas. I have yet to see a single person here that could be considered a zealot for Obama. Just because you rely on the slippery slope fallacy to put Obama's views in line with everyone else does not make it true.

Actually, it seems that there's one super-camp on this: we're not thrilled with Obama, or satisfied in any way, some are even exasperated, but he's better than the alternative.

[GiancarloC]

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.

The inability to look at the facts showing solid job growth hinders that argument. What is Obama supposed to do? Snap his fingers and make the private sector create 300,000 jobs a month instead of the 240,000 it has been created? I didn't realize the President had such control over the private sector. Either the President has control or he doesn't... whatever happened to the hands off approach that republicans and right wingers are so fond about?

Be consistent for once please.

Hell, the guy can't even produce a budget on time.

Again he has presented budget proposals to Congress. These proposals are just mere suggestions. It isn't up to the President to produce budgets. THat's not his job. That's up to the Committees and Subcommittees in the Congress.

http://budget.house.gov/ - Including this Committee headed up by one of the biggest idiots in the House. What is a Committee for when it doesn't produce anything worthwhile? Every one of Paul Ryan's moronic ideas have included tax breaks for yacht owners and spending cuts on education and medicare.

All I hear on CEP is how great Obama is in every thread about him. Only a few have ever admitted he had some faults.

And all I hear from you is how bad he is, and I have not seen anything substantiated on why he is bad. Not one shred of proof.

Blind faith has it's consequences -- eventually you get screwed .. .and not the good kind.

Blind hatred gets one even worse consequences and it's all I've been seeing here. Either the naysayers want Obama to be a dictator, or they don't. Either they want the President to produce budgets directly and bypass a hostile House, or they don't. Can the right make up their damn minds already? Which will it be?

I can see authoritarianism getting a ringing endorsement here in this post I'm responding to.

Every thread on CEP about a republican gets trashed -- WTF is the difference. Today all the usuals trashed a republican governor for coming out for marriage equality for gays ... and yet they trashed him and every republican living.

Because he hasn't done a good thing other than that. I don't give a fuck if a republican came out in support of gay marriage. I care about a VARIETY OF ISSUES. And the republicans have failed CATASTROPHICALLY IN A VARIETY OF ISSUES.

[GiancarloC]

His ratings matter far less in the second term. Obama has tried on the economy and jobs; it'll be pain fully slow, but it'll grow. He does not write the budget. Obama is also center-right, dangerously so.

Again, Obama does not control the private sector. As far as job growth, it's up to companies to hire. And guess what? Companies are hiring. 150,000 construction jobs created in the last several months is a key indication of where the economy is headed. Construction growth like that is an indication of expansion in the private sector. I expect job growth to go up to 300,000 per month if that continues.

Obama does fuck up. A lot. He actually is a black Bush, with a few more ideas. I have yet to see a single person here that could be considered a zealot for Obama. Just because you rely on the slippery slope fallacy to put Obama's views in line with everyone else does not make it true.

This is absolutely ridiculous actually. I've given Obama a C+/B- rating, but he fucks up? Where exactly? He hasn't taken the bull by its horns and pushed harder... instead relying on compromising tactics... I've wanted something more confrontational towards the hostility in the House. I am no zealot for Obama either, but I find problems in this post too...

Actually, it seems that there's one super-camp on this: we're not thrilled with Obama, or satisfied in any way, some are even exasperated, but he's better than the alternative.

I think people can do the talking themselves.

Obama isn't the "black bush" and he's not "center right" either. He's a centrist. I am a leftist. He's not left wing at all for my tastes, but he's been decent enough. I wouldn't call him a black Bush and I certainly wouldn't say he fucks up a lot. If one wants to see fuck ups they can look into Congress, specifically the House of Representative for that one.

[CTF]

No straw man -- the guy shut down the White House to visitors when he didn't have to do it -- he used the ploy to make his point. His point has him down in the polls.

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.

Hell, the guy can't even produce a budget on time.

All I hear on CEP is how great Obama is in every thread about him. Only a few have ever admitted he had some faults.

Blind faith has it's consequences -- eventually you get screwed .. .and not the good kind.

Every thread on CEP about a republican gets trashed -- WTF is the difference. Today all the usuals trashed a republican governor for coming out for marriage equality for gays ... and yet they trashed him and every republican living.

I'm not seeing an "A Game" there.

Go beat up on someone else.

Curious.

As Gay Men we get beaten up everyday, usually by some "conservative" either with a religious bent, or a Republican looking to score points with their base.

I'm just saying, and has been shared by some of the posters here that you deride, and by some of those that deride you, there's a litany of things that we can all beat Obama up on.

When so called "conservatives" (either out here in the world, or here in CE&P) go after Obama it's rarely about anything of significance.

'Ooooh! Obama is a Socialist-Marxist-Kenyan Born-Atheist-Secular-Liberal-Muslim Loving-Anti-American-Negro who mixes his Sci-Fi metaphors'



Really?

If anything the guy is the product of our fucked up political system.

In the History of America who makes a speech at a Party Convention, then goes from being a State Senator, to a U.S Senator, to President of the United States within the course of four years?

As an American who voted for Obama (TWICE), he's not the HOPE and Change that I voted for.

The "right wingers" want to call into question his "leadership." (Or lack thereof).

From this Texan's perspective, the only voting bloc that's truly holding their elected Representatives "accountable" are the bought and paid for Tea Party Extremists.

As a fellow American I think that you and I, and anyone reading this post should wake the fuck up, and stop taking our talking points from our National Corporate Owned Media, and demand that our talking points be heard!

What you and I see everyday, and in some ways is reflected in CE&P, are two entrenched camps.

I'm right, your left, your wrong, go fuck yourself, blah, blah, blah.

Meanwhile back in Washington (Regardless of Party) they're all nothing more than "corporate shills."

Those of us who actually Love America, and who love American History, and who follow politics and sociology like some people who love sports, or the Kardashians, or Honey Boo Boo, can't help but see a huge disconnect in what's supposed to be the greatest "experiment" in World History; American Democracy.

And it's all being "usurped" by the myth of "free markets/enterprise," while the "American Dream" apparently is only being reserved for illegal immigrants.

WTF!?



Isn't it curious that, as Americans, that we know more about what's going on in Europe (very little actually), or Southeast Asia/China (still very little), but know virtually nothing about the economies or politics of South American countries?

Our biggest (you can actually drive to) adjacent Governmental Countries?

The New Pope of the Catholic Church, for the first time in recorded History isn't from "Mainland Europe."

And all that most Americans seem to know about Argentina is that Madonna played Eva Peron in the screen version of a Broadway Play, and that Hugo Chavez was El Presidente' of Venezuala.

California is said to be the 7th largest economy in the world, followed closely by Brazil.

What do any of us really know about Brazil beyond "Carnivale" and hot Gay Porn stars?

Am I being "incoherent" in my perceived "rant" here?

Or is anyone getting my point?

Sure Obama is playing petty school yard politics by shutting the White House down for tours.

How is that any different from the so called "leadership" in the House of Congress, and why should we give a shit about the differences?

Because it's nothing more than Theater; Bread and Circuses.

Meanwhile....back on the farm, the Dow Jones Industrial Average reaches a Record High, Corporate Profits and Mergers are far exceeding anything under the Reagan Administration, and the American Public is being told that everything that they've been paying taxes for are "entitlements" that must be cut to balance the budget.

And you're okay with that?

/end

[CTF]

On the point of "sequester;"

Q: What's the difference between Nationalizing and Corporatization of a "peoples democracy?"

Hint: The answers have been the revolutionizing principle in South American Countries for decades now.

And those peoples have found themselves governed by clowns, who run and are elected on "populist" ideas, while lining their own pockets and creating oligarchies of their own.

They only real threat that South American Democracies pose to the United States of America, aren't nuclear ambitions, or their economies, is that when it comes to our Democracy in World history we can accurately be compared to them, and the direction in which we're all headed as Americans.

So boo-fucking-hoo, Obama can't lead.

[CTF]

And just for a comparison, the so called "God-Fearing-Right-Wing-Tea-Party-Conservatives" blame everything on "liburals," the "Gay Agenda," and "illegal immigrants."

...and the Liberal Media, and the Democrats, and.......

South American "leadership" blames everything on "Yankees" and "American Imperialists," and the CIA.

How has that worked out for the poor and unrepresented people do you think?

But this story about the White House works for you in your opposition why?

Surely we can find something to agree upon!

[lambdaboy]

This has nothing to do with Obama this is typical ass hole U.S. Paranoia. My dad went on a tour of the white house when Eisenhower was President. As a large group walked through they announced that the president and his wife were coming down. They shook hands with everyone and moved on. Since Regan the ass hole we now have misses on the front lawn, all sorts of barricades all over Washington. The U.S. no longer has a pair of balls.

[MisterMajestic]

My personal opinion about The Tours being Temp-shut down;...I hope the Obama White house Staffers or whoever is over The Tours did their HOMEWORK...

A. When was the Last time An Administration shut down White House Touring? Will they be the FIRST to do it since forever?

B. For how Long?

C. The White house is the Peoples house funded by Taxpayor dollars. Why let the Republicans think you're shutting out their Tourists who they gave Golden Tickets to when EVERY tax payor should be allowed to Tour the home?

I don't agree with the decison to STOP Tours....It was easier for Obama to be OK with it because this is his last term...He would have NEVER let it go down the last 4yrs...The First Lady was even there greeting people on a regular basis...

[Jack Springer]

BTW - you can still get a personal tour of the White House if you give $500,000 to Obama's political action committee.

http://www.prioritiesusaaction.org

[Jack Springer]

Kudos to Rolyo85 who says he is 100's of times more popular on JUB than me.

Congratulations!!!!

[CTF]

Kudos to Rolyo85 who says he is 100's of times more popular on JUB than me.

Congratulations!!!!

No shit!



100 X's?

I'll bring the 55 gallon barrel of lube!

And a 2X4 to keep us from falling in.

[GiancarloC]

BTW - you can still get a personal tour of the White House if you give $500,000 to Obama's political action committee.

And I'm sure one could get a personal tour of the House if they give millions to the republicans...

[Keeland]

My personal opinion about The Tours being Temp-shut down;...I hope the Obama White house Staffers or whoever is over The Tours did their HOMEWORK...

A. When was the Last time An Administration shut down White House Touring? Will they be the FIRST to do it since forever?

B. For how Long?

Wikipedia:

. . . Tours were suspended in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks due to terrorism concerns. In September 2003 they were resumed on a limited basis for groups making prior arrangements through their congressional representatives and submitting to background checks. . . .

[mightbe]

Again, Obama does not control the private sector.

My point. He's done what he can. It's now out of his hands.

but he fucks up? Where exactly? He hasn't taken the bull by its horns and pushed harder... instead relying on compromising tactics...

You named it. His one biggest fuck up is that he's been somewhat too interested in compromise. It could be called one fuck up or it could be called many. Specifically what irks me is when he had solid support already in both houses during his first term. He could've done so much more with that. But he chose to try to warm up to the people that were interested in him being a one term president. He's started now in the right direction by avoiding Republican leadership and informing the Reps and Senators personally, something I wish he would've done to start with.

I think people can do the talking themselves.

Just a general observation. It seems that most here are not pleased, but saw him as the better option.

Obama isn't the "black bush" and he's not "center right" either. He's a centrist. I am a leftist. If one wants to see fuck ups they can look into Congress, specifically the House of Representative for that one.

I am a leftist as well, and I think his concessions to the right have made many of his policies turn out to be right of center. Some even center right to gain approval. I'll judge him on what he considers acceptable when compared with the original suggestions and proposals. His stances seem fine, but he'll tolerate policy being somewhat different.

I use the term Black Bush in reference to Obama's continued support of tracking down every last terrorist, now by drone. That's a little scarier than how it was in the past. Obama is a more efficient, and unfortunately smarter commander in chief than Bush was. I disagree with Obama on drones, I think we should high tail it out of there, with due care, and approach only with the utmost of caution. I dislike both of their policies towards terrorism.

He's also incredibly hesitant to turn the U.S. more toward a social democracy. He put though a massive expansion to private healthcare when he could've socialized it like every other modern country. He would've had the support if he sold it. I think he needs a more direct PR approach. He kinda sits away and doesn't really talk to the people if he can't help it. That's another Bushism. Bush did not want to talk to the people, but for him it was more survival. Obama can benefit from talking to the people, but he can come off just as distanced as Bush was. I think Obama should do like the Fireside Chats over the internet. A weekly stream where the president talks with you, not down to you. He's been good about the level, not being above, but he should explain everything he does. People are too ignorant of what he wants.

[GiancarloC]

You named it. His one biggest fuck up is that he's been somewhat too interested in compromise. It could be called one fuck up or it could be called many. Specifically what irks me is when he had solid support already in both houses during his first term. He could've done so much more with that. But he chose to try to warm up to the people that were interested in him being a one term president. He's started now in the right direction by avoiding Republican leadership and informing the Reps and Senators personally, something I wish he would've done to start with.

That's not really a fuck up at all. At least not in this system where compromise is basically forced. He can't do anything without talking to the people in the House. Unless, he was to somehow use executive order to pass the budget... but that's not even constitutional. His hands are tied because of those in Congress.

Just a general observation. It seems that most here are not pleased, but saw him as the better option.

It's not a general observation on my part. I view otherwise.

I am a leftist as well, and I think his concessions to the right have made many of his policies turn out to be right of center. Some even center right to gain approval. I'll judge him on what he considers acceptable when compared with the original suggestions and proposals. His stances seem fine, but he'll tolerate policy being somewhat different.

I think. He's a centrist at best, and plenty of his other viewpoints and policy decisions represent such centrist thinking. I am NOT a centrist, but I will call things as I see them.

I use the term Black Bush in reference to Obama's continued support of tracking down every last terrorist, now by drone. That's a little scarier than how it was in the past. Obama is a more efficient, and unfortunately smarter commander in chief than Bush was. I disagree with Obama on drones, I think we should high tail it out of there, with due care, and approach only with the utmost of caution. I dislike both of their policies towards terrorism.

I think the drone policy should be revised, but I don't see a problem with tracking down and eliminating terrorists. France has done a very lightning speed job of that with the Chadians in Northern Mali... it's a problem that had to be tackled. Terrorists would have used Mali as a launching pad into Europe. So it's not a bad policy. Even a socialist like Hollande will do it.

He kinda sits away and doesn't really talk to the people if he can't help it. That's another Bushism. Bush did not want to talk to the people, but for him it was more survival. Obama can benefit from talking to the people, but he can come off just as distanced as Bush was. I think Obama should do like the Fireside Chats over the internet. A weekly stream where the president talks with you, not down to you. He's been good about the level, not being above, but he should explain everything he does. People are too ignorant of what he wants.

Obama does a lot more talking to the people than one were to think. Oh and there is a Roku channel for the White House... at any rate, he's definitely more of a communicator than Bush ever was. Not quite on Clinton's level, but he's certainly no Bush.

[White Eagle]

Damn, Centex. I'm glad I waited til today to read this thread.
One of the best reads this year. Thanks guys!

[xbuzzerx]

No straw man -- the guy shut down the White House to visitors when he didn't have to do it -- he used the ploy to make his point. His point has him down in the polls.

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.

Jack, how about you bring us your own thought on something and not be a living, breathing echo of the latest Fox News shoutrage?

[CTF]

Damn, Centex. I'm glad I waited til today to read this thread.
One of the best reads this year. Thanks guys!

Spring Time in Texas!

What are the Specials at Snoopy's this week?

[White Eagle]

Spring Time in Texas!

What are the Specials at Snoopy's this week?

Dang, I don't know. Is that still open? I haven't been to SA bars since I can't remember.

[White Eagle]

Dang, I don't know. Is that still open? I haven't been to SA bars since I can't remember.

I didn't know that was here. Don't know the owners so I guess not associated with Snoopys in SA. Ya know that Gay bar from the 70s or 80s.

[CTF]

Well Construct and I missed you during the Democratic State Party Convention in Corpus Christie back in 2010.

I'm willing to bet that their specials are fresh Gulf Shrimp, and Red Snapper; blackended or fried.

[TX-Beau]

What do any of us really know about Brazil beyond "Carnivale" and hot Gay Porn stars?

Need one know more (grin)

[Jack Springer]

And I'm sure one could get a personal tour of the House if they give millions to the republicans...

Mr. Obama is currently in the White House and is offering face-to-face meeting with those who can come up with the $500,000.

Republicans are not involved -- this is Obama's thing.

[Jack Springer]

Jack, how about you bring us your own thought on something and not be a living, breathing echo of the latest Fox News shoutrage?

I haven't had FOX News on this week or even gone to their web site.

What's your next theory?

[tigerfan482]

And I'm sure one could get a personal tour of the House if they give millions to the republicans...

It happens everyday. They're called lobbyists.

[Jack Springer]

It happens everyday. They're called lobbyists.

Republican lobbyists going to the Obama WH?

[tigerfan482]

Republican lobbyists going to the Obama WH?

Glad you found your ignorance funny. If you read what I responded to, you would see that what was being addressed was paying for access to the House (meaning House of Representatives, not the White House.) Also, I don't remember saying Republican lobbyists.

[TX-Beau]

All lobbyists are political republicans.



MOST lobbyists are opportunists and most of them give money to all and sundry. It's called hedging your bet, let me know of that concept taxes your mental faculties.

[TX-Beau]

Beat me to it!!!!!!

[GiancarloC]

Republican lobbyists going to the Obama WH?

I'm TALKING ABOUT THE DOG HOUSE! Referring to the House of representatives.

Can we read for a change? Yes, republicans are definitely involved in taking millions from lobbyists. It's a given fact. Republicans are bankrolled by billionaires. Without billionaires their party would cease to exist.

[CTF]

I'm TALKING ABOUT THE DOG HOUSE! Referring to the House of representatives.

Can we read for a change? Yes, republicans are definitely involved in taking millions from lobbyists. It's a given fact. Republicans are bankrolled by billionaires. Without billionaires their party would cease to exist.

Name me one, just ONE Elected Representative in Washington who isn't a Millionaire.

Pick a Party.

I get what you're saying, but to suggest that Republicans are exclusively owned, bought and paid for lap dogs of Corporate lobbyists and the Rich, and that Democrats are somehow excluded, and the true champions of Americans is delusional.

[xbuzzerx]

Republican lobbyists going to the Obama WH?

Here's the part where poor Jack gives away that he's a little too naive to know that huge corporations to whom throwing some political contributions around is inconsequential chumpchange have given to both parties to hedge their bet. He assumes every Republican campaign supporter is a pure ideologue as he is.

[White Eagle]

Well Construct and I missed you during the Democratic State Party Convention in Corpus Christie back in 2010.

I'm willing to bet that their specials are fresh Gulf Shrimp, and Red Snapper; blackended or fried.

2010? Well where was the fuck was I? Oh, I'm sorry, that was the week I had to go to SA for a Colonoscospocty, wasn't it?

[White Eagle]

Name me one, just ONE Elected Representative in Washington who isn't a Millionaire.

Pick a Party.

I get what you're saying, but to suggest that Republicans are exclusively owned, bought and paid for lap dogs of Corporate lobbyists and the Rich, and that Democrats are somehow excluded, and the true champions of Americans is delusional.

Well, yeah, I have to go along with that!. But isn't that what Texas is all about?

[White Eagle]

I haven't had FOX News on this week or even gone to their web site.

What's your next theory?

Ya, know, Jack, I haven't said anything either on topic, or off, OOPS, yes, I guess my Damn it to Centexfarmer WAS a little off topic, BUT let's get to go on without all the bullshit you spew., OOPs again, sorry Jack I can't go on without laughing my ass off, which I cannot afford because, there just is not much there. Well, Centex , should I stop now?

[White Eagle]

Ya, know, Jack, I haven't said anything either on topic, or off, OOPS, yes, I guess my Damn it to Centexfarmer WAS a little off topic, BUT let's get to go on without all the bullshit you spew., OOPs again, sorry Jack I can't go on without laughing my ass off, which I cannot afford because, there just is not much there. Well, Centex , should I stop now?

How do I get out of here?

[GiancarloC]

Name me one, just ONE Elected Representative in Washington who isn't a Millionaire.

Pick a Party.

I get what you're saying, but to suggest that Republicans are exclusively owned, bought and paid for lap dogs of Corporate lobbyists and the Rich, and that Democrats are somehow excluded, and the true champions of Americans is delusional.

I said billionaires... mainly Koch Brothers. I am not saying democrats aren't funded by their own wealthy interests, but a majority of Obama's donations to his presidential campaign were small donations. Mitt Romney was mainly bankrolled by a few prominent sources. Thanks for the red herring though.

I never said anything about the democrats in the post... and if I did care to point it out?

But the BS never seems to end... I've said it a thousand times and it's ignored mostly... the democrats are not left wing at all, and are right of center. Obama himself is more towards the center. The republicans are far off in the loony bin.

[Jack Springer]

How do I get out of here?

Set down the bottle and move away.

[Jack Springer]

I said billionaires... mainly Koch Brothers. I am not saying democrats aren't funded by their own wealthy interests, but a majority of Obama's donations to his presidential campaign were small donations. Mitt Romney was mainly bankrolled by a few prominent sources. Thanks for the red herring though.

I never said anything about the democrats in the post... and if I did care to point it out?

But the BS never seems to end... I've said it a thousand times and it's ignored mostly... the democrats are not left wing at all, and are right of center. Obama himself is more towards the center. The republicans are far off in the loony bin.

[GiancarloC]

Care to respond to what I wrote and not with the usual tantrums?

[White Eagle]

Set down the bottle and move away.

Then, let's see, You do know what a bottle is, Right?, Jack let me spend some time time with you.
Who the fuck cares what you think? Go back to your bottle and leave me alone with mine. Right Centex?

[Kulindahr]

The New Pope of the Catholic Church, for the first time in recorded History twelve centuries isn't from "Mainland Europe."

Now it's right.

[Kulindahr]

Name me one, just ONE Elected Representative in Washington who isn't a Millionaire.

Just before the last election, two hundred and fifty members of Congress were millionaires, and the rest were not.

What's interesting is to watch the change between a new class of congresscritters just sworn in and two years later.....

[JayHawk]

Every thread known to man... didnt read but scanned this second page and it is obviously a purse fight.

[TX-Beau]

Oh come on, one ONLY wanders into one of Jack's threads swinging the Gucci.

[Ninja108]

all the things that have gotten cuts and White House tours are the biggest deal?!