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    Lol, also, I just realized the virulent irony of Jack calling ANYONE for making "bashing" threads. When he has not posted a non-bashing thread in living memory...
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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    ... the Jesuits are not at all liberal , they are the most ultra reactionary ....
    That what my Catholic and Lapsed Catholic friends say, that the Jesuits are the worst; they're vicious hardliners.
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    So um if you are not catholic what does it matter to you?

    The Pope in his previous life fought against the President of Argentine to prevent same sex marriage and lost. So he knows that more and more the church that ruled the planet is less and less relevant.

    So then why the flagellation and gnashing of teeth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So um if you are not catholic what does it matter to you?

    The Pope in his previous life fought against the President of Argentine to prevent same sex marriage and lost. So he knows that more and more the church that ruled the planet is less and less relevant.

    So then why the flagellation and gnashing of teeth?
    Probably because it is not reasonable to expect they will count themselves out for the long term. To these people, the Magna Carta is only a "temporary setback."

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    I, personally, have not seen anything bad about the Pope, until now. I know there will be some who do not believe anything from Alternet, so, I'm posting this to let the forum be the judge of the article. The anti will just have to wait.

    http://www.alternet.org/world/new-po...tter809408&t=3

    Democracy Now! / By Amy Goodman, Juan Gonzalez, Horacio Verbitsky

    The New Pope's Disturbing Past -- Revealing Francis's Ties to Abduction of Priests
    Expert Horacio Verbitsky exposes the new pope's questionable history.

    March 14, 2013 |


    JUAN GONZÁLEZ: For more on the new pope, we turn now to one of Argentina’s leading investigative journalists, Horacio Verbitsky, who has written extensively about the career of Cardinal Bergoglio and his actions during the military dictatorship that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983. During that time, up to 30,000 people were kidnapped and killed. A 2005 lawsuit accused Jorge Bergoglio of being connected to the 1976 kidnappings of two Jesuit priests, Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics. The lawsuit was filed after the publication of Verbitsky’s book, The Silence: From Paul VI to Bergoglio: The Secret Relations Between the Church and the ESMA. ESMA refers to the former navy school that was turned into a detention center where people were tortured by the military dictatorship. The new pope has denied the charges. He twice invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court to testify about the allegations. When he eventually did testify in 2010, human rights activists characterized his answers as evasive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    But if one were to look at his views this is clearly not the case. And Believe me I know a lot about Catholicism... so don't even try to lecture me on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Even though you may be an atheist there is still a God.
    Even though you may be a believer there is still no god.

    But there is a pope. And he's a piece of work, apparently not showing good open christian candour when questioned about his knowledge and role in past argentinian dictatorships.

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    Henry VII? Or VIII.

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    He is not an impressive choice. His exaggerated concern for the "needy" without seeing that an important cause of poverty in Catholic countries is the Church's prohibition of birth control, does not bode well. Benedict spoke out in favor of environmental concerns, without being able to see that ultimately all environmental problems are population problems. Sadly, the Catholic Church lacks a valid moral compass, or perhaps just doesn't use it.

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