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    I have MSNBC on now and they're talking a lot about it. No appearance yet (2:03PM).

    Have to heard to the market soon so hopefully he will appear.

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    Nothing is going to change. They are still the same bigoted group they've always been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Probably another die hard conservative... with views from the 18th century 11th Century. I just don't care anymore about this organization. They are pushing themselves into irrelevance.
    18th Century = too progressive.

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    Let’s not be naive, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God .. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

    —New Pope Jorge Bergoglio (Pope Francis), speaking about Argentina's 2010 marriage bill

    Via Good As You

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    I like him ! He's so cute <3 Now he spoke from SAN PIETRO in italian, my language.


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    Oh Christ.

    Really????

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    Isn't there some mistake? Isn't that the Dali Lama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    interesting that the new Pope is a Jesuit (indeed, he may be the first ever Jesuit Pope)... they're usually the more liberal branch of the Church.
    I hate to burst your bubble, but the new Pope already has said that homosexuality is the work of Satan. I am not surprised.

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    Francis I is yet another misogynistic, gay-bashing, homophobic bigot.

    Bergoglio is seen an unwaveringly orthodox on matters of sexual morality, staunchly opposing abortion, same-sex marriage, and contraception. In 2010 he asserted that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children, earning a public rebuke from Argentina's President, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.

    http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today...uld-be-pope-13
    I expect some day, we will get a 21st Century pope. But I don't expect that to happen before the 26th Century.
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    I love you Pope ^^ You are so cute.


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    "Fratelli e sorelle, buonasera"

    Trad: "Brothers and Sisters, good evening"

    (Simple words at the begins)

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    Well John Paul I only had a 28 day fling wearing the shoes of the fisherman, so let us all wait and see.

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    This conclave shit is supposed to be all secret yet some talking head said this guy came in second the last time---how he would know that I don't know---but these lazy fat cardinals all wanted to get in and out of there real fast---let's just pick the guy who came in second last time and get back to our palaces.

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    There won't be any real change to speak of. It's all about money and power.

    They're practitioners of an ancient religion that worships virgin births and resurrections. As long as they won't allow married priests the catholic clergy will be populated by self-loathing closeted homosexuals and pedophiles.

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    The smoke from the old stream train looks better.


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    I'm not a believer, but as a Latino I'm proud to see a first-ever Latino pope. He's 76, so his papacy will probably last less than a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe5 View Post
    I'm not a believer, but as a Latino I'm proud to see a first-ever Latino pope. He's 76, so his papacy will probably last less than a decade.
    You still taking sides like nationalism or something.


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    Looks like they kicked the can down the road. The major factions could not get a candidate elected, so they agreed on another old guy knowing they will have another election in a few years.

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    ^YES!!! Benvolio and I agree!

    Too bad the whole thing is a game of kick the can down the road. I say he lasts no longer than 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Looks like they kicked the can down the road. The major factions could not get a candidate elected, so they agreed on another old guy knowing they will have another election in a few years.
    Of COURSE you would hate a non-white pope...


    Btw, I have a theory. White is the color of purity and virginity. So does the white smoke signify the virginity of defiled altar boys going up in smoke?
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    [QUOTE=T-Rexx;8763479]Francis I is yet another misogynistic, gay-bashing, homophobic bigot./QUOTE]

    Agree about his no doubt bigoted 18th century views, however he is Pope Francis. no Roman Numeral, til there is a 2nd pope named Francis. Works the same as kings & queens. Like Queen Victoria & King John
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    If Pope Francis has some balls and offers real change, and accepts real responsibility, for the shameful history of abuse his church confronts, AND if he gets serious about naming and expelling those who have been or have protected abusers... Then I'll show him some respect.

    But more likely he's just another evil kiddy-fiddler protectionist. And if so, I hope he rots in hell with his predecessors.

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    to disagree emphatically with loki81 and others , the Jesuits are not at all liberal , they are the most ultra reactionary ( Himmler modelled the SS on the Jesuits ) and since their foundation in the 16th c they have been expelled by 70-80 countries for their political interference , including by the Founding Fathers . God's own SS .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Looks like they kicked the can down the road. The major factions could not get a candidate elected, so they agreed on another old guy knowing they will have another election in a few years.
    The new Pope is from Latin America and he's an immigrant. OMFG!

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    You could argue the Jesuits are the clearest instance of the opposition of organized religion versus secular government , the separation of Church and State .

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    Francis second address was to Argentina:

    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...48721X96900482

    Jesuits and the State: A Comparative Study of their Expulsions (1590–1990)
    Bertrand M. Roehner
    L.P.T.H.E. University Paris 7, 2 place Jussieu, 75005, Paris, France
    Available online 12 April 2002
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1006/reli.1996.0048, How to Cite or Link Using DOIPermissions & Reprints
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    Abstract
    The Society of Jesus constitutes a remarkable example of permanence and universality; therefore it is an ideal laboratory for studying the troubled relations national institutions entertained with such a supranational congregation. In the first part of the paper the conflicting interests of both parties are analysed; it is then noticed that historically the expulsions form four successive waves and the question of contagion of anti-Jesuits policies is discussed. Furthermore it is shown (as far as permitted by available sources) that in each individual country the methods used in order to set up and to enforce the expulsions show a high degree of continuity over the course of three centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    LMAO... for real? Stop making excuses. Look into his past. Look at his real past. What good things has this man said?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...-him-about-him



    His views on gay marriage, on mothers and on the disappeared babies in Argentina is deplorable. There is nothing good here, except more sugarcoating.

    Do research please, before making unsupported statements.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1283250.story

    He's also clashed with the left wing government in Argentina for making erroneous statements about same sex marriage. The Catholic Church has no right to interfere with the internal affairs of a country. The left wing party Victory Front ignored him entirely in the Congress.
    What he's saying is true. Even though he's still a bigot, he belongs to one of the most liberal sects of catholicism. Most conservative christians despise the Jesuits because of how liberal they are compared to rest of conservative christianity.

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    Here's one way to look at the problem:

    The College of Cardinals is both nominating committee and electorate. The only way to become a Cardinal is to be appointed by the Pope. So when any pope knows he's coming to the end of his run, he can plan ahead to get his chosen successor elected merely by appointing Cardinals who will vote his way.

    Given that the last Pope is still alive, even though this outcome is tragic it was not unexpected: not many Cardinals are going to support someone who is likely to change course when their last boss is still around. In fact in hindsight, that may be the very reason the last one resigned while still alive: to guarantee that his successor would be just as much a Rat as himself.

    So call him Pope Rat II.



    BTW, with his positions, his choice of name is an insult to St. Francis of Assisi -- but I presume that's not the Francis he had in mind anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lestatnj View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Francis I is yet another misogynistic, gay-bashing, homophobic bigot.
    Agree about his no doubt bigoted 18th century views, however he is Pope Francis. no Roman Numeral, til there is a 2nd pope named Francis. Works the same as kings & queens. Like Queen Victoria & King John
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    The very next pope is going to be Francis II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    BTW, with his positions, his choice of name is an insult to St. Francis of Assisi -- but I presume that's not the Francis he had in mind anyway.
    Because he is a Jesuit, I presume he chose the name for Francis Xavier.

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    This Pope has shown signs of humility, no golden cross. This morning (italian clock) he had black shoes.

    I don't think about his past has supported the dictatorship. This morning he said he had many priests defrocked because they supported the dictatorship.

    Now we need to think about his past, but I do not think it's true what they say about his past.

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    His Pope's name is a sign of break with Church past. FRANCESCO (Francis) a NEW name for a Pope. Like St Francis di Assisi , the Saint of poor, or St. Francis Xavier, the Jesuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Of COURSE you would hate a non-white pope...
    Let's see... Pope Francis is from Argentina. He now lives in the Vatican. My God! He's an immigrant!

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    1st I'll admit i didn't read all the posts so far. I'm in a hurry to get to a Dr appt.
    They said that in 2001 he visited a Hospital in Buenos Aries and visited AIDS patients, got on the floor and washed their feet. So he is sympathetic to the illness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    he's awful on gay rights and I'm not excusing that, but be realistic... the Catholic church would never nominate someone progressive on that issue. all other issues considered, it doesn't seem like he's a terrible person. but complaining that the Catholic Church didn't elect a Pope who's pro-gay marriage is a little like sticking your hand into a bucket of ice and expressing shock that it's cold.
    That's true. It's like wishing for a gay-friendly Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post

    That's true. It's like wishing for a gay-friendly Republican.
    That's not fair. There's nothing inherently homophobic about Catholicism... There are so many gay friendly Catholic Churches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the Vatican clarified almost immediately after the announcement that he chose the name after Saint Francis of Assisi.

    he seems to have lived a humble life in Argentina, giving up the church palace in favor of an apartment and taking the bus instead of using a driver. he's also an outsider to Vatican politics, so maybe there's a small window of hope that we'll see some changing of the guard and house cleaning.

    he's awful on gay rights and I'm not excusing that, but be realistic... the Catholic church would never nominate someone progressive on that issue. all other issues considered, it doesn't seem like he's a terrible person. but complaining that the Catholic Church didn't elect a Pope who's pro-gay marriage is a little like sticking your hand into a bucket of ice and expressing shock that it's cold.
    Yes, the Death Star of human equality has a more congenial captain, who dresses in humble threads. We still need to find its exhaust port.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    Yeah, right. Some of my best friends are homos, but

    Pope Benedict XVI sparked a furious reaction from other Christian groups as he also suggested that a blurring of the distinction between male and female could lead to the "self-destruction" of the human race. . . .

    . . . It [the church] opposes gay marriage and, in October, one leading Vatican official described homosexuality as "a deviation, an irregularity, a wound". . . .

    . . . In his address to the Curia, the Vatican's central administration, the Pope himself described behaviour beyond traditional heterosexual relations as "a destruction of God's work".

    He said the Roman Catholic Church had a duty to "protect man from the destruction of himself" and urged respect for the "nature of the human being as man and woman." . . .
    From The Telegraph
    And he referred to gay adoption as a form of child abuse!

    It is hard for me to reconcile this man's beliefs. On the one hand, he appears to be a compassionate champion of the poor and oppressed. He manifests humility and dedication to the service of mankind. In many ways, he is an ideal pope.

    On the other hand, he spews some of the most hateful venom I have ever heard from the church regarding homosexuality. He deliberately ignores scientific evidence and social justice so he can perpetuate ancient and hurtful prejudices.

    It is weirdly and disturbingly inconsistent thinking.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That's not fair. There's nothing inherently homophobic about Catholicism... There are so many gay friendly Catholic Churches.
    Name one.

    I don't think you can say there is "nothing inherently homophobic" about a church that is doctrinally homophobic. Francis could change that, of course, and in so doing would do much to advance the social justice that seems so dear to him.

    But I don't think he can get past his own, apparently deep-seated, bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Name one.

    I don't think you can say there is "nothing inherently homophobic" about a church that is doctrinally homophobic. Francis could change that, of course, and in so doing would do much to advance the social justice that seems so dear to him.

    But I don't think he can get past his own, apparently deep-seated, bigotry.
    I can't name any, I go by what gay Catholic friends have told me. The Catholic church - despite the Vatican's barking - is actually incredibly decentralized. And Christianity isn't inherently homophobic. It's just what Christianists in all denominations have turned it into today. Same way as it isn't inherently racist but was still used to defend racial discrimination.
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    Another Christian bashing thread.

    Nothing new for CEP -- we all get that you hate God -- but God still loves you.

    Give it a rest.

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    I don't hate God, Jack.

    But I do hate organisations that protect child abusers, that actively cover up cases of child abuse, and leave known child abusers in positions of power where their abuse can be continued on more innocent children.

    Watch the recent HBO documentary Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence In The House Of God, and THEN tell me the papacy stands for a loving, compassionate God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another Christian bashing thread.

    Nothing new for CEP -- we all get that you hate God -- but God still loves you.

    Give it a rest.
    This is such a classic GOP maneuver. "Gays want marriage" = "gays hate straight couples!"

    No, my dear Jack. We don't hate God. Can't hate a fantasy. What we hate, are the virulently bigoted fundamentalist terrorist branches of the religion that uses him as a symbol.
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    You know...it's only been 1 day. I think we should give him a chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    You know...it's only been 1 day. I think we should give him a chance.
    Francis' opinion on gay marriage in 2010:

    Here, the envy of the Devil, through which sin entered the world, is also present, and deceitfully intends to destroy the image of God: man and woman, who receive the mandate to grow, multiply, and conquer the earth. Let us not be naive: it is not a simple political struggle; it is an intention [which is] destructive of the plan of God. It is not a mere legislative project (this is a mere instrument), but rather a "move" of the father of lies who wishes to confuse and deceive the children of God.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/201...goglio-to.html

    Sorry, I'm not giving someone a chance who compared gay marriage to Satanism. Not gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flashgordon85 View Post
    His Pope's name is a sign of break with Church past. FRANCESCO (Francis) a NEW name for a Pope. Like St Francis di Assisi , the Saint of poor, or St. Francis Xavier, the Jesuit.
    If, as is most certainly the case, he means Xavier, then there's no break with the past at all. Xavier believed the heresy that the government should bow to the church, and of using violence in "evangelism".

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the Vatican clarified almost immediately after the announcement that he chose the name after Saint Francis of Assisi.
    I consider than an insult to the brother from Assisi.

    But time will tell.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Habemus Papam

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    He's a conservative himself... so why should I excuse what he has said? Just because he's not as extremely conservative? Bullsh*t.
    He's liberal compared to most catholics. That is what we're saying. Yes, he's conservative compared to political liberals, but he's liberal in the schema of catholicism.

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