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    Habemus Papam

    White smoke from the Sistine Chapel.



    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/c...181023715.html

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    Appearance to follow... Is it an American? Perhaps an African? A die hard conservative?
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    Probably another die hard conservative... with views from the 18th century. I just don't care anymore about this organization. They are pushing themselves into irrelevance.

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    I have MSNBC on now and they're talking a lot about it. No appearance yet (2:03PM).

    Have to heard to the market soon so hopefully he will appear.

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    I'm sure every news outlet is showing live coverage.

    I am just hoping the new pontiff is not worse than Natzinger.

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    Pope Francis, formerly Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, the first Latin American pope.

    Wikipedia had the update done within two seconds, literally, I checked immediately. Jesus...

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    odds that nothing will change are high, but at least there's a brief window of hope to enjoy.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio

    Jorge Bergoglio, Argentinian, selected as the first non-European Pope.

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    Another old man in his late 70s... and from Argentina? The same Catholic Church that has been at Cristina Kirchner's neck for legalizing same sex marriage? Same old fucking story.

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    Nothing is going to change. They are still the same bigoted group they've always been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Probably another die hard conservative... with views from the 18th century 11th Century. I just don't care anymore about this organization. They are pushing themselves into irrelevance.
    18th Century = too progressive.

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    The Church needs a hands on manager, a boss, and that was what they were looking for, not a change in direction. It's unlikely there will be any change in attitude towards gays

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    Let’s not be naive, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God .. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

    —New Pope Jorge Bergoglio (Pope Francis), speaking about Argentina's 2010 marriage bill

    Via Good As You

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    I like him ! He's so cute <3 Now he spoke from SAN PIETRO in italian, my language.


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    Oh Christ.

    Really????

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    Isn't there some mistake? Isn't that the Dali Lama?

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    interesting that the new Pope is a Jesuit (indeed, he may be the first ever Jesuit Pope)... they're usually the more liberal branch of the Church.

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    If one were to look at his background, he's far from a liberal. He espouses much of the same as Ratzinger did.

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    My concern is that he is going to invigorate Catholics in progressive parts of South America, one of the fastest growing places for marriage equality. In Brazil on Friday, Ceara will be the latest state to approve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    If one were to look at his background, he's far from a liberal. He espouses much of the same as Ratzinger did.
    that's why it's interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    My concern is that he is going to invigorate Catholics in progressive parts of South America, one of the fastest growing places for marriage equality. In Brazil on Friday, Ceara will be the latest state to approve it.
    I doubt it. Latin America has been moving away from the Catholic Church, and this guy who looks like he's from another century won't change that. Even in Argentina, where less than 20% of the country is actually practicing Catholic (though in name a majority are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by purina View Post
    Isn't there some mistake? Isn't that the Dali Lama?
    No mistake. No Florida recount. But he is 76, and above average life expectancy for a man from Argentina. It won't be a long reign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    interesting that the new Pope is a Jesuit (indeed, he may be the first ever Jesuit Pope)... they're usually the more liberal branch of the Church.
    I hate to burst your bubble, but the new Pope already has said that homosexuality is the work of Satan. I am not surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I hate to burst your bubble, but the new Pope already has said that homosexuality is the work of Satan. I am not surprised.
    sorry, I guess my post was poorly worded.

    it's interesting because he's a conservative from a usually-liberal branch of the church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I doubt it. Latin America has been moving away from the Catholic Church, and this guy who looks like he's from another century won't change that. Even in Argentina, where less than 20% of the country is actually practicing Catholic (though in name a majority are).
    I am not worried about Argentina at all, or Uruguay, both very pro gay countries.

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    Francis I is yet another misogynistic, gay-bashing, homophobic bigot.

    Bergoglio is seen an unwaveringly orthodox on matters of sexual morality, staunchly opposing abortion, same-sex marriage, and contraception. In 2010 he asserted that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children, earning a public rebuke from Argentina's President, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.

    http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today...uld-be-pope-13
    I expect some day, we will get a 21st Century pope. But I don't expect that to happen before the 26th Century.
    Last edited by T-Rexx; March 13th, 2013 at 02:09 PM.

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    I love you Pope ^^ You are so cute.


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    "Fratelli e sorelle, buonasera"

    Trad: "Brothers and Sisters, good evening"

    (Simple words at the begins)

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Francis I is yet another misogynistic, gay-bashing, homophobic bigot.

    I expect some day, we will get a 21st Century pope. But I don't expect that to happen before the 26th Century.
    change will probably happen incrementally.

    just in the past year, we've seen priests go from sexually abusing children to sexually harassing adults. progress!

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    Well John Paul I only had a 28 day fling wearing the shoes of the fisherman, so let us all wait and see.

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    This conclave shit is supposed to be all secret yet some talking head said this guy came in second the last time---how he would know that I don't know---but these lazy fat cardinals all wanted to get in and out of there real fast---let's just pick the guy who came in second last time and get back to our palaces.

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    There won't be any real change to speak of. It's all about money and power.

    They're practitioners of an ancient religion that worships virgin births and resurrections. As long as they won't allow married priests the catholic clergy will be populated by self-loathing closeted homosexuals and pedophiles.

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    The smoke from the old stream train looks better.


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    I'm not a believer, but as a Latino I'm proud to see a first-ever Latino pope. He's 76, so his papacy will probably last less than a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe5 View Post
    I'm not a believer, but as a Latino I'm proud to see a first-ever Latino pope. He's 76, so his papacy will probably last less than a decade.
    You still taking sides like nationalism or something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe5 View Post
    I'm not a believer, but as a Latino I'm proud to see a first-ever Latino pope. He's 76, so his papacy will probably last less than a decade.
    I'm not. I think his archaic viewpoints make everything bad here. He's ultra-conservative from what I'm hearing. The fact he's Latino doesn't make anything better.

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    Looks like they kicked the can down the road. The major factions could not get a candidate elected, so they agreed on another old guy knowing they will have another election in a few years.

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    ^YES!!! Benvolio and I agree!

    Too bad the whole thing is a game of kick the can down the road. I say he lasts no longer than 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Looks like they kicked the can down the road. The major factions could not get a candidate elected, so they agreed on another old guy knowing they will have another election in a few years.
    Of COURSE you would hate a non-white pope...


    Btw, I have a theory. White is the color of purity and virginity. So does the white smoke signify the virginity of defiled altar boys going up in smoke?
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    [QUOTE=T-Rexx;8763479]Francis I is yet another misogynistic, gay-bashing, homophobic bigot./QUOTE]

    Agree about his no doubt bigoted 18th century views, however he is Pope Francis. no Roman Numeral, til there is a 2nd pope named Francis. Works the same as kings & queens. Like Queen Victoria & King John
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    If Pope Francis has some balls and offers real change, and accepts real responsibility, for the shameful history of abuse his church confronts, AND if he gets serious about naming and expelling those who have been or have protected abusers... Then I'll show him some respect.

    But more likely he's just another evil kiddy-fiddler protectionist. And if so, I hope he rots in hell with his predecessors.

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    to disagree emphatically with loki81 and others , the Jesuits are not at all liberal , they are the most ultra reactionary ( Himmler modelled the SS on the Jesuits ) and since their foundation in the 16th c they have been expelled by 70-80 countries for their political interference , including by the Founding Fathers . God's own SS .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Looks like they kicked the can down the road. The major factions could not get a candidate elected, so they agreed on another old guy knowing they will have another election in a few years.
    The new Pope is from Latin America and he's an immigrant. OMFG!

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    You could argue the Jesuits are the clearest instance of the opposition of organized religion versus secular government , the separation of Church and State .

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    Francis second address was to Argentina:

    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


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    I've read relatively good things about him.

    no, he doesn't support gay marriage... and let's be real, this is the Catholic church. we're probably not going to see a pope endorse gay marriage in any of our lifetimes. but it doesn't sound like he's necessarily against gay people, which is a progressive stance for the church instead of just declaring them all sinners and forgetting about him. in religion classes in high school (I attended a Jesuit school), the line we were taught was that homosexual isn't a sin, but homosexual sex is (along the same lines that premarital sex is considered a sin... because sex should only be for procreation). that's about as liberal as you can realistically expect the church to be.

    I hope choosing the name Francis (as in, of Assisi) is a sign of a more humble church to come, but only time will tell. Pope John XXIII was expected to be a throw-away, forgettable Pope and he ended up turning the entire church on its head during his 5 year tenure.

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    to disagree emphatically with loki81 and others , the Jesuits are not at all liberal , they are the most ultra reactionary ( Himmler modelled the SS on the Jesuits ) and since their foundation in the 16th c they have been expelled by 70-80 countries for their political interference , including by the Founding Fathers . God's own SS .
    they were founded as a militaristic order intent to combat Protestantism... but contemporaneously, I don't know them for doing anything but teaching and running schools/universities. they're certainly the most educated branch, and education usually correlates with being more liberal.
    Last edited by loki81; March 13th, 2013 at 09:40 PM.

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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...48721X96900482

    Jesuits and the State: A Comparative Study of their Expulsions (1590–1990)
    Bertrand M. Roehner
    L.P.T.H.E. University Paris 7, 2 place Jussieu, 75005, Paris, France
    Available online 12 April 2002
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1006/reli.1996.0048, How to Cite or Link Using DOIPermissions & Reprints
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    Abstract
    The Society of Jesus constitutes a remarkable example of permanence and universality; therefore it is an ideal laboratory for studying the troubled relations national institutions entertained with such a supranational congregation. In the first part of the paper the conflicting interests of both parties are analysed; it is then noticed that historically the expulsions form four successive waves and the question of contagion of anti-Jesuits policies is discussed. Furthermore it is shown (as far as permitted by available sources) that in each individual country the methods used in order to set up and to enforce the expulsions show a high degree of continuity over the course of three centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...48721X96900482

    Jesuits and the State: A Comparative Study of their Expulsions (1590–1990)
    Bertrand M. Roehner
    L.P.T.H.E. University Paris 7, 2 place Jussieu, 75005, Paris, France
    Available online 12 April 2002
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1006/reli.1996.0048, How to Cite or Link Using DOIPermissions & Reprints
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Abstract
    The Society of Jesus constitutes a remarkable example of permanence and universality; therefore it is an ideal laboratory for studying the troubled relations national institutions entertained with such a supranational congregation. In the first part of the paper the conflicting interests of both parties are analysed; it is then noticed that historically the expulsions form four successive waves and the question of contagion of anti-Jesuits policies is discussed. Furthermore it is shown (as far as permitted by available sources) that in each individual country the methods used in order to set up and to enforce the expulsions show a high degree of continuity over the course of three centuries.
    yeah... that's not a lot of information.

    not sure what they're referencing with 1990, as far as I'm aware, nearly all of the Jesuit expulsions took place in the 1700's and "conveniently" resulted in the monarchs of France and Spain taking their wealth/property. the most recent that I'm aware of was 1901, which isn't exactly contemporary times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I've read relatively good things about him.

    no, he doesn't support gay marriage... and let's be real, this is the Catholic church. we're probably not going to see a pope endorse gay marriage in any of our lifetimes. but it doesn't sound like he's necessarily against gay people, which is a progressive stance for the church instead of just declaring them all sinners and forgetting about him. in religion classes in high school (I attended a Jesuit school), the line we were taught was that homosexual isn't a sin, but homosexual sex is (along the same lines that premarital sex is considered a sin... because sex should only be for procreation). that's about as liberal as you can realistically expect the church to be.
    LMAO... for real? Stop making excuses. Look into his past. Look at his real past. What good things has this man said?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...-him-about-him

    "Let's not be naive: this isn't a simple political fight, it's an attempt to destroy God's plan."

    Estela de la Cuadra, aunt of one of Argentina's stolen babies, whose mother Alicia co-founded the Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo: "Bergoglio has a very cowardly attitude when it comes to something so terrible as the theft of babies. He says he didn't know anything about it until 1985. He doesn't face this reality and it doesn't bother him. The question is how to save his name, save himself. But he can't keep these allegations from reaching the public. The people know how he is."
    His views on gay marriage, on mothers and on the disappeared babies in Argentina is deplorable. There is nothing good here, except more sugarcoating.

    Do research please, before making unsupported statements.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1283250.story

    He's also clashed with the left wing government in Argentina for making erroneous statements about same sex marriage. The Catholic Church has no right to interfere with the internal affairs of a country. The left wing party Victory Front ignored him entirely in the Congress.
    Last edited by GiancarloC; March 13th, 2013 at 10:39 PM. Reason: Correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    LMAO... for real? Stop making excuses. Look into his past. Look at his real past. What good things has this man said?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...-him-about-him



    His views on gay marriage, on mothers and on the disappeared babies in Argentina is deplorable. There is nothing good here, except more sugarcoating.

    Do research please, before making unsupported statements.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1283250.story

    He's also clashed with the left wing government in Argentina for making erroneous statements about same sex marriage. The Catholic Church has no right to interfere with the internal affairs of a country. The left wing party Victory Front ignored him entirely in the Congress.
    What he's saying is true. Even though he's still a bigot, he belongs to one of the most liberal sects of catholicism. Most conservative christians despise the Jesuits because of how liberal they are compared to rest of conservative christianity.

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