Do you think Michael Jackson was gay?

[bladerunner]

I think he was.

[JockBoy87]

What is the evidence?

[TheSpectatingLoner]

No. He was a pedophile who publicly advocated getting in bed with young boys.

Stop associating that kind of behavior with our lifestyle.

[LeicsDom]

^^ as above

[alister]

Agree ^^..

[nycguydowntown]

No. He was a pedophile who publicly advocated getting in bed with young boys.

Stop associating that kind of behavior with our lifestyle.

This.......

[Scealle]

No. And agreed with posters above.

[JockBoy87]

Stop associating that kind of behavior with our lifestyle.

Who's lifestyle?

I'm a semiprofessional houseboy in suburban America who doesn't like to go out too much or do anything unexpected.

[jensu846]

100% gay...

[TheSpectatingLoner]

Who's lifestyle?

I'm a semiprofessional houseboy in suburban America who doesn't like to go out too much or do anything unexpected.

Fine, PC police, I'll reword the statement:

"Stop associating that kind of behavior with our sexuality."

Why you felt the need to assert your suburban stay-in-the-house leanings is beyond me, but there you go.

[MysteryLovesCompany]

Yeah, fuck this whole "lifestyle" thing. Apart from being gay most of us probably have very little in common.

And btw, you can be gay and a pedophile at the same time, something which I imagine one or two jubbers know a lot about.

[BENDERBOY]

No he was just a very talented pedo.

[TheSpectatingLoner]

^^Agreed, Seghers. Though he has never given hint of actual attraction to a MAN.

[JockBoy87]

Fine, PC police, I'll reword the statement:

"Stop associating that kind of behavior with our sexuality."

Why you felt the need to assert your suburban stay-in-the-house leanings is beyond me, but there you go.

Because lifestyle refers to the way you choose to live, whether you are single or married, your living, are you a heavy spender, eat out or cook, the type of people you associate with, etc.

Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with how you live, in fact the label 'lifestyle' an insult leveled by homophobes that is meant to malign gays by insinuating sexuality is a choice.

So when you said "our" lifestyle, nobody knows who you are referring to, so I told you mine as an example.

[refujiunderground]

maybe mike was a pedo, maybe mike was gay, maybe mike was bi, maybe mike was pan BUT what i DO know is that he most definitely wasn't straight. he also was a total nutjob. i voted for gay since that's the best option. he wouldn't be able to do all that shit if he wasn't rich and famous. in the end, the only person who was able to stop mike was mike himself.

but yeah, mike was more than likely a pedo though.

[eastofeden]

I have never been convinced he was a child molester.

[refujiunderground]

I have never been convinced he was a child molester.

i can see why anybody would think that. dude is a weirdo that did a lot of weird things. HOWEVER, i find it hard to believe that someone would do the same thing that got him put him in the magnifying glass in the first place. the worst thing he did was to settle out in court the first time. when he did that, he admitted that he was in the wrong or did something. the second time around when he got accused for the same thing, it's hard to feel sorry for him for putting himself in that situation IF he was innocent. how do you do the same mistake twice?

this dude admitted on tv to letting little boys sleep in his bed and made it sound all romantic and shit. dude was all playing with the accused victims hand too. jerry sandusky said the same shit too about sleeping in bed with boys and taking showers with them in his autobio. he tried to say the same shit mike did trying to make it seem like something else. we all know for sure what that's about now.

[JustMe5]

Ten years ago in a televised interview he said that falling asleep next to a child is "very sweet". What the hell kind of a grown man chooses to fall asleep next to a child that isn't his own? Wasn't he also accused of showering with a young guy? The guy saw Michael's penis (he accurately described what it looked like), and the guy's family wound up suing Michael and they won a financial payout. And it was ALWAYS young males that Michael formed these bizarre "friendships" with, never females. Who the fuck does that shit? He had to have been a pedo or at least had the intention to molest those boys.

[LeicsDom]

And btw, you can be gay and a pedophile at the same time, something which I imagine one or two jubbers know a lot about.

I disagree. Most professionals will confirm that sexuality has virtually nothing to do with paedophilia and most identify as heterosexual

[sixthson]

He was a freak who came from a family of freaks. I suspect he never wanted to grow up, and having a relationship with a man would have forced him to do that. So, he associated himself with children. Was it sexual? Who knows, but it looks suspicious.

[eastofeden]

i can see why anybody would think that. dude is a weirdo that did a lot of weird things. HOWEVER, i find it hard to believe that someone would do the same thing that got him put him in the magnifying glass in the first place. the worst thing he did was to settle out in court the first time. when he did that, he admitted that he was in the wrong or did something. the second time around when he got accused for the same thing, it's hard to feel sorry for him for putting himself in that situation IF he was innocent. how do you do the same mistake twice?

this dude admitted on tv to letting little boys sleep in his bed and made it sound all romantic and shit. dude was all playing with the accused victims hand too. jerry sandusky said the same shit too about sleeping in bed with boys and taking showers with them in his autobio. he tried to say the same shit mike did trying to make it seem like something else. we all know for sure what that's about now.

I heard all of the evidence and am still not convinced. I beleive he was a child himself.

I am not saying he didn't do it...I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other because I wasn't there.

[sixthson]

I heard all of the evidence and am still not convinced. I beleive he was a child himself.

I am not saying he didn't do it...I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other because I wasn't there.

But he wasn't a child. He died a 50 year old man. I think he wanted people to see him as an innocent, but even he knew he wasn't.

[racer2438]

And this matters becuz????

the dad and kid story was later found to be completely made lies, the kid himself admitted to it and said he father was behind the whole thing for money(which they got) and later the dad killed himself........little guilt there--you think...

[TheSpectatingLoner]

Because lifestyle refers to the way you choose to live, whether you are single or married, your living, are you a heavy spender, eat out or cook, the type of people you associate with, etc.

But you knew exactly what I meant when I used the term. You're just so convinced and desperate to broadcast that you're nothing at all like "the other gays" that you found a barely existent excuse to air that tripe into a completely unrelated thread.

Seen/heard it all before. We get it. You're not like us. *yawn*

Back to the topic, now.

[eastofeden]

But he wasn't a child. He died a 50 year old man. I think he wanted people to see him as an innocent, but even he knew he wasn't.

...and you are entitled to your opinion...as am I.

I have excellent instincts about people when I meet them. I once worked with a mass murderer. In the first 15 seconds with him I knew something was definitely off with him and I let him know it. Everyone else except for one person was fooled by his image and they sang the Twilight Zone theme to me when I tried to warn them something was wrong. He looked like the typical TV dad...Mr Wholesome...and everyone had a crush on him (BARF). When he was splashed all over the front page a year later all the people who were teasing me for being so mean to the "cute guy who was husband material" were asking me how I knew? I didn't "know" what the fuck he did...I knew something about him was really bad. It is called instinct. Most people are addicted to images. Images dull your instincts. I am not addicted to images.

I met Michael Jackson one on one and talked to him for maybe 15 minutes. He might have been in an adult body but I was talking to a very sweet kid. I don't care if other people don't understand that. I didn't care when everyone else thought I was crazy for thinking Mr Mass Murderer wasn't Mr Wonderful either. I have no need to go along with the crowd. I think for myself.

[JockBoy87]

But you knew exactly what I meant when I used the term.

Yes I did, that's why I called you out on using an insulting term.

You're just so convinced and desperate to broadcast that you're nothing at all like "the other gays" that you found a barely existent excuse to air that tripe into a completely unrelated thread.

Seen/heard it all before. We get it. You're not like us. *yawn*

Back to the topic, now.

Kudos to you for being loud and wrong

And the people who do know me on this forum will tell you the same.

You've only been here for two months. You don't know shit newbie.

[Adrock-JD]

Yes, I think he was gay. I also think he was a pedophile.

He's dead now. I'm pretty sure of that.

[Phantas33]

I voted no. And I think along the lines of Eastofeden here - MJ was a kid in a grown man's body and because of his bad upbringing [dad smacking him around] and the weird youth he'd had, I don't blame him for feeling more comfortable around children than adults. And I do NOT mean that in a sexual way at all - I mean that children understood MJ better than most adults did I think. I won't disagree that MJ was a bit nuts - but his family ain't all 100% either, so it's understandable.

Also, I don't think he was gay - nothing about him jingled my gaydar lol I've always somehow felt sorry for MJ. He'd never had a normal life, and people never left him alone. The only way out for him was on stage - there he could be whomever he wanted to be: a superstar, an astronaut, whatever. And honestly, I think the level of bashing he's getting right here tells us that even amongst us gays we do the same thing we blame every straight person for when they bash us. SHAME on you. >.<

[sixthson]

The only reason Michael Jackson appealed to children was because he was Michael Jackson the star. Had he been a normal 50 year old single man living in a regular neighborhood wanting to associate primarily with children, the children would have have run from him.

[Phantas33]

The only reason Michael Jackson appealed to children was because he was Michael Jackson the star. Had he been a normal 50 year old single man living in a regular neighborhood wanting to associate primarily with children, the children would have have run from him.

Maybe, but on the other hand, MJ had a playground in his backyard. And I doubt that was just for other children to play in. MJ was just as much a kid as some other adults are at times.

[MissAnne]

No, I dont think that he was gay and I do not think that he was a digusting pedophile.

[Nishin]

I don't think he was a pedo, maybe gay maybe not
But that he was seriously damaged in his brain, yes definitely

[MisterMajestic]

If Mike was a Closeted gay Man at ANY time in his Life we'd know about it by now...They would have come forward even if Mike had kissed them.

He did have an affair/friendship with Stephanie Mills and she kept Mum for Decades until he died. She wont tell every sorted detail but she's said enough...She's given a few interview to Black radio Hosts.

I don't think he was Gay whatsoever..

[refujiunderground]

If Mike was a Closeted gay Man at ANY time in his Life we'd know about it by now...They would have come forward even if Mike had kissed them.

He did have an affair/friendship with Stephanie Mills and she kept Mum for Decades until he died. She wont tell every sorted detail but she's said enough...She's given a few interview to Black radio Hosts.

I don't think he was Gay whatsoever..

he actually had sex with a woman? the last time i heard, dude was 14 and his older brothers locked him in a room with a groupie. some chick was unbuttoning his shirt and he had a panic attack, screaming for his life or something like that. you damn well know that mike was lying out his ass about those kids being his.

[MisterMajestic]

he actually had sex with a woman? the last time i heard, some chick was unbuttoning his shirt and he had a panic attack, screaming for his life or something like that.

Yes...He probably slept with Brooke Shields too....Remember Mike was just as Horny in the 70's like ANY other Guy...He went to that FAMOUS New york Club "357" or something where anything and everything was going on including Gay Sex...Average People that went to that Club have done interviews telling all the Stars bizness...

That's why I say if he EVER had Gay Sex even Decades ago someone would be talking about it..it would be too much of a Media HIT for someone not to take advantage of the Spotlight....

[MorrisseyX]

I have never been convinced he was a child molester.

I do not believe Michael was gay but I don't think he was completely straight either. I think Michael Jackson was bisexual he used to date Brooke Shields back in the day.

I also don't think Michael Jackson was a child molester but I think he was too kind of a person and too naive. I think Michael just didn't choose his words carefully when he dealt with the media. I believe Michael really does love and care for kids he donated millions of dollars of his fortune to children charities. The media especially the UK and USA media ripped him to shreads. Michael Jackson's story is a sad one he was a naive person but a really gifted musician.

[refujiunderground]

Yes...He probably slept with Brooke Shields too....Remember Mike was just as Horny in the 70's like ANY other Guy...He went to that FAMOUS New york Club "357" or something where anything and everything was going on including Gay Sex...Average People that went to that Club have done interviews telling all the Stars bizness...

That's why I say if he EVER had Gay Sex even Decades ago someone would be talking about it..it would be too much of a Media HIT for someone not to take advantage of the Spotlight....

i'm sorry BUT you're reaching. if mike really was getting it in, there would be plenty of women coming forward saying that they slept with him especially now. the only people that i've seen come forward to say that they've shared a bed with mike were a few little boys. hell, a few of them have said that they've actually seen his dick as their descriptions match the photos described in the court documents. no women even before the pedophile accusations or in his thriller days have been able to say that mike got that close to them. those that have haven't been able to say they got as far as he probably went with those kids. mike sure loved them beards though even though he couldn't grow one himself. you most definitely know that dude wasn't straight walking the streets with liz taylor talking about that's his wife.

[JustMe5]

What part of growing up in the music industry causes someone to be "childlike" as an adult? Lots of people have grown up in the entertainment industry, lots of people have had an abusive parent, but they don't end up being an adult who likes to share a bed with young boys.

[JustMe5]

I also don't think Michael Jackson was a child molester but I think he was too kind of a person and too naive. I think Michael just didn't choose his words carefully when he dealt with the media.

His ex wife Lisa Marie Presley said this about him in this tv interview:
"He's not stupid. He didn't get where he was cause he's stupid."
"It's unfortunate that not a lot of people know who he really is."
"He has some idea about how he should represent himself in the public."

[MysteryLovesCompany]

I disagree. Most professionals will confirm that sexuality has virtually nothing to do with paedophilia and most identify as heterosexual

I agree that pedophilia is not the same as basic sexuality, but a lot of male pedophiles have wives/girlfriends as well which would technically make them heterosexual, and I know of gay men who are also attracted to kids/underage people. No one is comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, I'm just saying that you can be both at the same time.
Most pedophiles though probably have little to no attraction to grown ups.

[EuroSoccer]

MJ was a pedo, he wasn't gay.

[pat grimshaw]

MJ was a pedo, he wasn't gay.

But he was pedo who only went for little men.

[Rolyo85]

But he was pedo who only went for little men.

In the... one?... two?... cases we know of? Frankly, I think anyone associating homosexuality and pedophilia on JUB should be permanently banned.

[loveguys72]

All I know is he's dead and gone now. None of it matters anymore.

[Phantas33]

Everyone keeps saying MJ had sex with kids - but that was never proven, was it? He mentioned sleeping with kids, but that does not automatically constitute he had SEX with them. It's not the same thing.
You can believe whatever you want to believe, but as it's not proven, don't state it as though it's fact.

If there really had been an extreme case of pedophilia concerning MJ, we'd have heard of it now, since he's dead. And we all know skeletons come falling out of a closet after someone's dead. SO, I'm still of the belief that MJ was NOT a pedo, and he IMHO was certainly not gay.

[pat grimshaw]

All I know is he's dead and gone now. None of it matters anymore.

But the insane lifestyle he went through is more prevalent now with all these kids being told they are "idols" to be worshipped.

[eastofeden]

Everyone keeps saying MJ had sex with kids - but that was never proven, was it? He mentioned sleeping with kids, but that does not automatically constitute he had SEX with them. It's not the same thing.
You can believe whatever you want to believe, but as it's not proven, don't state it as though it's fact.

If there really had been an extreme case of pedophilia concerning MJ, we'd have heard of it now, since he's dead. And we all know skeletons come falling out of a closet after someone's dead. SO, I'm still of the belief that MJ was NOT a pedo, and he IMHO was certainly not gay.

I agree.

[pat grimshaw]

…If there really had been an extreme case of pedophilia concerning MJ, we'd have heard of it now…

He was a millionaire and he could afford to pay the kids to keep quiet.

[sixthson]

Had MJ not died from an overdose, you may never have known he was a drug addict either. It doesn't matter that they were priscription drugs or that his doctors were his dealers instead of someone on the street.

For decades Liberace denied he was gay and even won lawsuits against people who said he was. All through his life there were rumors and men who claimed to have had sex with him, but had he not died from AIDS, some would still be arguing there was no proof.
Same goes for Rock Hudson.

[sixthson]

I agree.

Would you mind sharing the circumstances of your chat with him? Where did you meet, why did you meet, what did you discuss?