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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    He used the original copy of the Constitution... probably means he really honors the founding fathers and really wants to stick by the Constitution. This country is governed by the Constitution (something republicans love to bring up)... so what is exactly the problem here? This country isn't governed by the Bill of Rights.



    What on earth? What is this referring to? Didn't OBAMA himself use a bible when he was sworn into office? If a government official doesn't want to use one, why not? And what does a leftist have to do with this? Some people are not Christian. It has nothing to do with being a "leftist" or not.



    What part of the Bill of rights is under assault by the left? And last I checked the Bill of rights isn't what governs this country... neither is the bible. What governs this country is the Constitution. Brennan used the original copy of the Constitution in this case, and perhaps that's showing respect to history. Can't be sure huh? LOL. I think I know very well where you stand on this matter.



    Okay, I'll play... where was I attacking Jack personally? Or where was any of those posters? I see them questioning the weak validity of this thread.



    And where did the CIA do that?

    See making claims is easy... especially when one can't back them up and they are just more of the same attacks.
    Ummm...the Bill of Rights do govern the country as they are apart of the the Constitution of the United States of America. They are not seperate or different from the Constitution, they are apart of the Constitution as a whole. The Bill of Rights are a set of Amendments added to the Constitution and ratified by all the states. That's where we get freedom of religion, press, right to bear arms, speech etc.

    But regardless, this is a troll/bait thread. I wouldn't waste your time.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Ummm...the Bill of Rights do govern the country as they are apart of the the Constitution of the United States of America. They are not seperate or different from the Constitution, they are apart of the Constitution as a whole. The Bill of Rights are a set of Amendments added to the Constitution and ratified by all the states. That's where we get freedom of religion, press, right to bear arms, speech etc.

    But regardless, this is a troll/bait thread. I wouldn't waste your time.
    Fair enough. It's early in the morning here on a sunday lol. But still my point is fair... the Constitution is what governs this country. So I really don't see the problem here.

    In fact swearing on the original copy of the Constitution... thought some right wingers would like that lol.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Fair enough. It's early in the morning here. Was thinking of the Articles of Confederation. But still my point is fair... the Constitution is what governs this country. So I really don't see the problem here.

    In fact swearing on the original copy of the Constitution... thought some right wingers would like that lol.
    There is no problem. Jack successfully attempted to make it a problem with this thread. No one sees this as anything other than the man swear on the Constitution which I think should be standard. Not swearing on the bible. I personally don't believe a person will be good at his position because he chose to swear on his Christian principles which historically cause death, destruction, bigotry, and war.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    This one made me laugh. As if somehow not having the printed text of the Bill of rights under one's hand, magically means you don't have to follow the law?

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charters_of_Freedom

    Hmmm that's how I thought I remembered it - the Bill of rights isn't part of the Constitution.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    The natural discussion would be, first, is it appropriate not to use a Bible? My answer: if you are a committed Leftist, and you control the Executive Branch, why not? The President promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America", or "make us more like Europe", so there you go.
    Of course it's appropriate. It is hilarious to even consider that there should be a bible present. Why not the Qur'an? Would that bother you a bit maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    Second, did they deliberately used a Constitution that did not contain the Bill of Rights, of which a few are under assault from the Left lately? My answer: can't be sure (they often don't seem to study-up on these things), although, it sure has changed the discussion from whether drones can kill American citizens on American soil, which, if this were a Republican president, would be all-MSNBC/all-the-time.
    And my counter-question is, yet again - does it matter what piece of paper he swore his oath on? The position he fills follows certain rules, has obligations and duties. He will either follow those, or he won't, and whether he swore his oath on the Bible with Jesus present, or whether he swore it standing on his head and juggling live chicken with his feet is COMPLETELY irrelevant to his duties.

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    One questions that is logically the next thought and hasn't been discussed in this thread, and maybe needs its own: when the CIA is caught violating the Constitution under President Obama, will you shills be so ugly to him as you have been to Jack?
    "When" implies certainty. Seeing the world as full of enemies is a sign of paranoia. We're all very worried about you.


    Btw, what rights have been attacked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    The natural discussion would be, first, is it appropriate not to use a Bible? My answer: if you are a committed Leftist, and you control the Executive Branch, why not? The President promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America", or "make us more like Europe", so there you go.
    Of course it's appropriate. It is hilarious to even consider that there should be a bible present. Why not the Qur'an? Would that bother you a bit maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    Second, did they deliberately used a Constitution that did not contain the Bill of Rights, of which a few are under assault from the Left lately? My answer: can't be sure (they often don't seem to study-up on these things), although, it sure has changed the discussion from whether drones can kill American citizens on American soil, which, if this were a Republican president, would be all-MSNBC/all-the-time.
    And my counter-question is, yet again - does it matter what piece of paper he swore his oath on? The position he fills follows certain rules, has obligations and duties. He will either follow those, or he won't, and whether he swore his oath on the Bible with Jesus present, or whether he swore it standing on his head and juggling live chicken with his feet is COMPLETELY irrelevant to his duties.

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    One questions that is logically the next thought and hasn't been discussed in this thread, and maybe needs its own: when the CIA is caught violating the Constitution under President Obama, will you shills be so ugly to him as you have been to Jack?
    "When" implies certainty. Seeing the world as full of enemies is a sign of paranoia. We're all very worried about you.


    Btw, what rights have been attacked?
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    If I remember correctly, the custom of swearing comes out of English common law. I suspect there never was a time when anyone thought it a guarantee, thought it might still be legally binding. You'd have to ask a law professor.

    What one swears on is purely a matter of custom and choice. There is no real difference between swearing on the bible, or the lord of the fucking rings, other than preference and tradition.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    I would swear on A Game of Thrones.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Hmm perhaps I should swear on a box of trojans......
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    I'm of two minds about the symbolism.

    It does seem daft to assume office while not acknowledging the key modern constitutional protections that make a country ethical.

    However it also seems fitting to just go back to the original document to acknowledge the depth of a country's history..after all, the country's history has never been refudiated.

    So to me the symbolism is clearly mixed. But I can't get too worked up about symbolism anyway. If a Canadian took office swearing on the British North America Act of 1867, while omitting the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I might be annoyed. But if he took office swearing on a painting of the Fathers of Confederation in Charlottetown, it's still kind of hard to fault.

    And if he said "Actually, this is all kind of silly. I'm not resting my hand on anything, or making any sort of gestures; none of that will change the public record I have or the testimony I gave when nominated for the position, and don't tell me the gesticulation makes any kind of actual difference because what if I had been a thalidomide baby born with no arms? What would you do then? Bar me from office? I think not..." then I'd vote for him to become pope too, never mind just director of a department.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Again, this is historically an overwhelmingly Christian country which believed that a false oath is a serious wring. The Bible was to impress that upon the oath taker. Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity. Or perhaps it does and by omitting the Bible he allowed himselfelf more wiggle room.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, this is historically an overwhelmingly Christian country which believed that a false oath is a serious wring. The Bible was to impress that upon the oath taker. Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity. Or perhaps it does and by omitting the Bible he allowed himselfelf more wiggle room.

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    Oooooor, he isn't a religious person and the bible has no laws governing the conduct of the United States Government.

    Honestly, if anything, him swearing on the Constitution brings more meaning to the oath because he is essentially swearing to the governing document of our country that he will faithfully carry out his duties.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    There is no such thing as a christian country. It's like saying there is "christian math" or "buddhist chemistry" or a "catholic bicycle." It is a country with a large number of christians. But any act done in respect of the country itself, as opposed to what one might choose to do in private life, is nothing to do with religion.

    Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity.
    And what the hell has this got to do with anything? I thought people were worried about which version of the constitution he was using, not whether there was a bible involved? Your statement implies that non-christians are not capable of solemnity, or that christians are not capable of solemnity outside a religious context. Clearly by refusing the bible (if he was even offered one) he might have have been signalling greater solemnity.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, this is historically an overwhelmingly Christian country which believed that a false oath is a serious wring. The Bible was to impress that upon the oath taker. Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity. Or perhaps it does and by omitting the Bible he allowed [himself] more wiggle room.
    In 1825 John Quincy Adams made a point of not using a Bible, but chose to be sworn in with his hand on a book of US laws. He was emphasizing the barrier between church and state and making it clear that his loyalty was first and foremost to the nationís laws.

    Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, this is historically an overwhelmingly Christian country which believed that a false oath is a serious wring. The Bible was to impress that upon the oath taker. Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity. Or perhaps it does and by omitting the Bible he allowed himselfelf more wiggle room.
    That's almost hilariously stupid thing to say If I am not a religious person, swearing on the Bible means as much to me as swearing on a blu-ray box set of Season 4 of True Blood. It gives me exactly the same amount of wriggle-room. Do get it through your skull that non-religious people exist, and they are just as capable (and more) of compassion, dedication to values and dignity. Except, they don't need some despotic religion to TELL them to be that way, they just are.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, this is historically an overwhelmingly Christian country which believed that a false oath is a serious wring. The Bible was to impress that upon the oath taker. Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity. Or perhaps it does and by omitting the Bible he allowed himselfelf more wiggle room.

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    Again, nobody cares. Some people sworn into office might be agnostic, atheist, muslim, buddhist and so forth. It doesn't matter what this country was historically. This country was in favor of slavery and segregation. Does that make it right? The bible should never be forced on anyone. Why should he have to take it on the bible and why does the bible give the oath more importance? Again some may not be Christian. And Brennan probably is Christian... just a secularist one who views the Constitution as the law of the land. Case in point.

    Or are you saying the BIBLE has more importance than the CONSTITUTION?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901.
    Good old Teddy Roosevelt... the last good republican. Certainly not perfect with some of his viewpoints, but one that should be remembered.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    A majority of Americans see it differently than you.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    A majority of Americans see it differently than you.
    Proof? And even if there is proof, I don't care. A majority of Americans? Yeah, I think someone said Romney was going to be elected by an overwhelming majority of Americans. Uh huh. Anecdotal statements don't mean squat to me.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Benvolio, the Constitution is far more relevant. The bible written in piss on shit stained toilet paper in that it has no importance to job of the director of the CIA. No ones gives a rats ass if anyone sees it differently, because PEOPLE CAN BE WRONG. More likely though, they're ignorant.

    But wouldn't it be better for you this way? Seriously, there's nothing on that stack of paper saying religion and government have to be distinct. Isn't this a win-win for you?

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    A majority of Americans see it differently than you.
    A majority of Americans think the Bible is more important for the governing of the country than the Constitution? Any research to back that claim?

    Also, until very recently, a majority of Americans thought that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. I know you still believe that. But the majority argument is often biting people in the ass like that...
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, this is historically an overwhelmingly Christian country which believed that a false oath is a serious wring. The Bible was to impress that upon the oath taker. Clearly by refusing the Bible, Brennan was signifying that the oath does not for him, have the same degree of solemnity. Or perhaps it does and by omitting the Bible he allowed himselfelf more wiggle room.

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    Huh? People have been giving false and insincere oaths on the bible since forever. God didn't do shit about it, ever.

    You are spewing ridiculous crap in order to indulge your own bigotries.

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    A bit of humor regarding swearing on the bible... and truth.

    "I'll tell you as much truth as the people who wrote that fucking bible" - One of my favorite quotes.
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    Please ... leave the race card out of this. Get beyond your internal deep-gut feelings of black men as inferior. Accept Obama as a man.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Shils. Girl you funny.

    The valid point is where was your pearl clutching while the white man was doing the same thing as Obama? Oh yeah you were okay with it... The point of the thread is that Jack and the author have some errant hope that a bullshit story will gain ground. You know it and Jack knows it.

    The denial of reality by you guys now that a black man is doing the same thing a failed white oilman/baseball man/aviator (who has now regressed into him self and paints in a room by himself because he was so deceived by the group of animals he put into office). That is the stark reality. For eight years of Bush REAL atrocities were being only half reported and now during the Obama admin the right is trying to desperately develop something into a story. It is rather amusing.

    But like I said please keep touting your learned opinions. Folks like jack and you ensure republicans will continue to lose ground. So for that you deserve a giant thank you from all of us. Most of the rest of us have enough self respect to actually endorse the truth. So thank god for those lacking.

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    The writings of the Bible can be backed up by history and archeology.


    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post

    A bit of humor regarding swearing on the bible... and truth.

    "I'll tell you as much truth as the people who wrote that fucking bible" - One of my favorite quotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The writings of the Bible can be backed up by history and archeology.
    Bullshit they are. Many of the "claims" the in bible were merely copied from prior religious texts, like the Epic of Gilgamesh. And no, the writings in the bible aren't backed up by history or archaeology... have any more empty claims to make?

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The writings of the Bible can be backed up by history and archeology.
    Yeah right.... Show me where the Tower of Babel, Noah's ark, Garden of Eden was. Parting of the Dead Sea ... where was that?

    It's all morality plays Springer.

    You get fooled quite easily. I've got a bridge to sell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The writings of the Bible can be backed up by history and archeology.
    That's mostly false. At least where the Old Testament is concerned
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The writings of the Bible can be backed up by history and archeology.
    Just because some places and events in the Bible were real, doesn't make the whole thing true. Just because the city of Athens existed and there was a Trojan War doesn't prove the existence of Athena or Ares.

    And no matter how many times the numbers are crunched, there is no way that Noah's Ark could function as described in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post

    Just because some places and events in the Bible were real, doesn't make the whole thing true. Just because the city of Athens existed and there was a Trojan War doesn't prove the existence of Athena or Ares.

    And no matter how many times the numbers are crunched, there is no way that Noah's Ark could function as described in the Bible.
    No no no, it's all allegorical! Except for when it serves Christianists to claim select parts are literal, and those parts tend to spontaneously change depending on what lunatic bigotry they're currently defending.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    I worked for the Federal Government for 38 years. I swore an oath each time I changed jobs between agencies. First time, it was a big deal for me; I was 18 and just starting my federal career. Second and subsequent times it was no big deal. At all.

    At no time did I hold my hand on a book or any type of constitutional or religious representation. Nor was I asked to. I was required to raise my right hand though.

    I worked in Human Resources as a personnel assistant during my early career. Part of my duties was to administer the Oath of Office to new Agency employees. I received training on how to administer the oath from the Civil Service Commission.

    Anyway, never did I supply any type of a book or constitutional/religious representation, nor can I recall one time where the oath taker provided his/her own.

    In my last position prior to retirement, I oversaw several administrative programs, including the Human Resources Division. I attended many high-level swear-ins as it was during the President's first year--lots of new officials. Same drill as then I administered the oath 35 years previous.

    Anyway, just the facts ma'am, just the facts.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
    I worked for the Federal Government for 38 years. I swore an oath each time I changed jobs between agencies. First time, it was a big deal for me; I was 18 and just starting my federal career. Second and subsequent times it was no big deal. At all.

    At no time did I hold my hand on a book or any type of constitutional or religious representation. Nor was I asked to. I was required to raise my right hand though.

    I worked in Human Resources as a personnel assistant during my early career. Part of my duties was to administer the Oath of Office to new Agency employees. I received training on how to administer the oath from the Civil Service Commission.

    Anyway, never did I supply any type of a book or constitutional/religious representation, nor can I recall one time where the oath taker provided his/her own.

    In my last position prior to retirement, I oversaw several administrative programs, including the Human Resources Division. I attended many high-level swear-ins as it was during the President's first year--lots of new officials. Same drill as then I administered the oath 35 years previous.

    Anyway, just the facts ma'am, just the facts.
    Thanks for your service if nobody has told you that today!

    I feel the same way about the oaths. I have both orchestrated the ceremony when I was a junior enlisted guy or was the guy giving the oath...

    The best was in Battleship cove. We went to Dave and Buster's in Providence Place Mall after reenlisting a sailor on the exhibit USS Lionfish. We all headed down to Providence to have a celebratory beverage or two right after the ceremony so we were all in uniform. Some random stranger who did not wish to be identified paid for all of our beverages and food. Between steak and booze, I know I put away at least sixty bucks. That guys bill must have been outrageous. It is my fondest wish that I can pay that forward some day. I will somehow.

    The weirdest was while my re-enlistee was steering an HH-60H using the CSAR controls at the back of the aircraft... we were doing slow deltas next to the CSG during flight ops.... I couldn't hear a fucking word he said and I am pretty sure he didn't hear me... but he was none the less enlisted when we signed the contract a few hours later.

    Ink matters, words and hand placement not so much.

    Good memories.... I wanna youth pill to do it again.....
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
    ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    I don't think this means anything for real. This whole administration is a nonstop dog and pony ****** It is so tedious. They probably didn't know the difference anyway. This is a non-issue.
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    MisterB... What? Working for the government? That makes your opinion useless and invalid! Too lazy to get a real job... blah blah blah blah....

    ...










    Not being serious of course. Just saying what the rights wingers on here will say in response to logic and reason...

    It's interesting how many of these right wingers then cheer on police and military in the same breath. Hypocrisy at its finest.
    Last edited by GiancarloC; March 11th, 2013 at 05:56 PM.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I don't think this means anything for real. This whole administration is a nonstop dog and pony ****** It is so tedious. They probably didn't know the difference anyway. This is a non-issue.
    A failed swipe at the administration, and then saying it's a non-issue. So which is it? If it is a non-issue, criticizing the Obama administration would be backtracking. Want a real dog and pony show? Look at the other party and the Congress in particular.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    What administration isn't a non-stop dog and pony show? That seems an very odd criticism.
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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    What administration isn't a non-stop dog and pony show? That seems an very odd criticism.
    It wasn't a criticism per se. I was a description. I see your point however. This administration isn't so much a dog and pony show as much as it is kabuki theater. The current president does wear more makeup than any random drag queen.
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    It wasn't a criticism per se. I was a description. I see your point however. This administration isn't so much a dog and pony show as much as it is kabuki theater. The current president does wear more makeup than any random drag queen.
    More failed swipes... have any more to share?

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    JayHawk: Thanks for the kind words. I'm very proud of my service. I can honestly say I worked hard for the money and then some.

    My father was a career Navy man and both older brothers each served in the Navy. Service to country was always stressed in our house. So, I went to work for the civil service while waiting for my draft number; it was 1972.

    Got a high draft number (307), so I decided to make a career of my federal employment. I worked hard, and was able to pursue my post-high school education while working fulltime. I worked with some of the smartest, most dedicated public servants. I worked with folks who could have easily doubled/tripled their salaries in the private sector. But they didn't.

    I'm blessed. This is truly a great country and we should all be proud. While I may not have voted for all who have been President, I certainly have wanted nothing but success for them. As we've seen for the past four years, when the politicians don't succeed, the country suffers. And, I just don't understand the mindset of some of the posters here who wish this country to fail, whether they use those words or not. Very sad.

    And back at you JayHawk--THANK YOU for your service in the military.

    Like I read in another thread where you posted, I too lurk/read and will post on occasion, especially when I read some of the nonsense. Bless their hearts.

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    Re: Oops! CIA Brennan Takes Oath on US Constitution That Does Not Include the Bill of Rights

    Thanks MisterB.

    I have willingly taken six oaths of office -- two of which were offered by the President himself, first Bush then Obama. No different than any other commission but the concept of service is supreme to me. I can not imagine me doing anything else that would have affected as many lives positively.

    To the point of this thread: I never once thought of some deep constitutional demand because of what is immediately around me or what my hand is on when I am administered an oath. Just service to the people that flag represents and protecting the constitution which steers this nations course. I have saluted the flag countless times in my life. I have openly wept when it draped a coffin and I have almost burst with pride when it was raised for the first time on a ship I commissioned, that I brought life to and put into service. All through out I ask myself everyday if I am doing the right thing, am I making the right move. So in reality, the oath means shit only if the actions define it as such. Every person defines that every day.

    So it is telling to me when people write such things. They have no concept of service or what taking an oath feels like. They simply desire to get a point in an endless word battle, a meaningless point at that. I honestly believe when the writers of guiding light found themselves out of work they found refuge in the republican party. Only in soap opera do you find such wild and erroneous tales of fantasy. The same party that is trying to keep people from voting so they can retain power calls the Obama administration and the people in it -- dictators. How amusingly ironic.
    Last edited by JayHawk; March 12th, 2013 at 08:00 PM.
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