Unemployment Rate Drops to Lowest in Four Years

[JayHawk]

Posting in a forum is a spectator sport. For every user who posts, there are ten just reading. I don't swipe the floor with Jack because I expect he will change his mind or because it makes me feel good (though it does ^_^ ), but because people who just read the forum and don't know us the way we know each other, might actually believe some of his garbage.

And that thought makes me puke in my mouth a little.

I used to lean on lurker theory as well.

I have come to find that only those who embrace cognitive dissonance regarding the actual effects of republican leadership are susceptible to such illusions as the fantasy land the righties post from around here. I used to be on that bandwagon and still have my ear to the different websites and voices in that community. What is detrimental is that it is impossible to have an actual discussion about the failings of the Obama Presidency because it leans towards lunacy rather quickly.

[TX-Beau]

Yeah, I suspect people who lurk are laughing at not laughing with. Though I suppose one might change a mind here or there. I'd much rather be on stage than in the audience so I'm probably not a good person to ask about lurking.

Obama (insert the name of any black man first elected to the oval office) was destined to be a polarizing figure. Most historic presidents are. Lincoln's election sparked a civil war, there is no reasoned discussion of Reagan or FDR either.

What is amazing is how two or three people on this forum manage to derail almost every thread with ObamaHate™.

[Jack Springer]

^^

... and you can't accept Obama as a man, you and others here on CEP can only see him as a 'black man'.

[Jack Springer]

You're right. Your post is a bunch of bullshit. Assuming that your claim that Obama wanted to give money to hire more union workers wasn't total crap, a union job is still a job and it still involves a job in this country. You hire a worker in this country, they make money, they spend money, and it goes right back into the economy. That's how it helps the economy.

But ... in his job's proposal Obama's idea to add more jobs was to hire more union people. You're arguing with yourself.

[tigerfan482]

But ... in his job's proposal Obama's idea to add more jobs was to hire more union people. You're arguing with yourself.

Have a link to a reference or are you just making it up?

[GiancarloC]

But ... in his job's proposal Obama's idea to add more jobs was to hire more union people. You're arguing with yourself.

Except the overwhelming majority (by far) of new private sector jobs were non-union. So that point is moot. And government workers are being cut... take for example the Post Office (which I believe is unionized).

[Jack Springer]

Have a link to a reference or are you just making it up?

Does it matter? Any link I provide would not be read.

[GiancarloC]

Does it matter? Any link I provide would not be read.

Here we have it... just made up. lol.

[CowboyBob]

Does it matter? Any link I provide would not be read.

So in other words you're just pulling that statement out of your ass. Figures.

[Rolyo85]

If you've provided a link from an at least semi-respectable source, you've done YOUR job, Jack. You have some high ground then. But when you can't even do that, why bother posting at all?

[TX-Beau]

^^

... and you can't accept Obama as a man, you and others here on CEP can only see him as a 'black man'.

Classic projection.

[Kulindahr]

Obama's idea was to give money to hire more union people. How does that help the economy?

What a bunch of bullshit.

So you think that employees of small businesses, and veterans, are all union members?

What an interesting notion.

[MisterB]

Okay Mr. Springer. Just answer one question. Yes or no.

Do you or have you ever worked for the Federal Government?

Answer yes or no. No other answer will suffice.

If you do not answer this simple question, I would respectfully request that you cease and desist any further comments about federal government employees. Period.

[chrisrobin]

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[JayHawk]

^^

... and you can't accept Obama as a man, you and others here on CEP can only see him as a 'black man'.

That would be the republican party dear. There is only one explanation for the party opposing doing exactly was the unanimously voted for under the white guy Bush. The only major difference is that Obama is black.

And being a MAN I accept Obama as such. I don't develop errant ideas based off Glenn Beck conspiracies and then post them as counter points on a political forum. That sir is the epitome of a shill or a eunuch.... or is it just troll?

[JayHawk]

Okay Mr. Springer. Just answer one question. Yes or no.

Do you or have you ever worked for the Federal Government?

Answer yes or no. No other answer will suffice.

If you do not answer this simple question, I would respectfully request that you cease and desist any further comments about federal government employees. Period.

I would submit he will not respond. Direct and easily answered questions that call into question his ability to make generalistic statements about other groups of people are never answered.

[Rolyo85]

Yeah, he will ignore this, wait for the thread to go on Page 2, and then start his crap all over again.

That, or he will say it's none of your business and fail utterly at life, as usual.

[Jack Springer]

None of your business where I work or have worked.

... and since when have you be hired as a moderator?

Okay Mr. Springer. Just answer one question. Yes or no.

Do you or have you ever worked for the Federal Government?

Answer yes or no. No other answer will suffice.

If you do not answer this simple question, I would respectfully request that you cease and desist any further comments about federal government employees. Period.

[GiancarloC]

None of our business? When someone starts criticizing and insulting the work of others, it is our business.

[Jack Springer]

That would be the republican party dear. There is only one explanation for the party opposing doing exactly was the unanimously voted for under the white guy Bush. The only major difference is that Obama is black.

And being a MAN I accept Obama as such. I don't develop errant ideas based off Glenn Beck conspiracies and then post them as counter points on a political forum. That sir is the epitome of a shill or a eunuch.... or is it just troll?

I think I hit the nail on the head. You and others here always have to refer to the President as a black man ... and not a man. I think you and others have deep seated issues regarding respect for black people being an equal.

[GiancarloC]

I think I hit the nail on the head. You and others here always have to refer to the President as a black man ... and not a man. I think you and others have deep seated issues regarding respect for black people being an equal.

Hit the nail on the head? LOL. Rather... lets take a game of darts. Didn't even come close to the board itself. Stop trying to accuse other people of being racist... it's just ironic.

[xbuzzerx]

That would be the republican party dear. There is only one explanation for the party opposing doing exactly was the unanimously voted for under the white guy Bush. The only major difference is that Obama is black.

And being a MAN I accept Obama as such. I don't develop errant ideas based off Glenn Beck conspiracies and then post them as counter points on a political forum. That sir is the epitome of a shill or a eunuch.... or is it just troll?

Not to mention it's such an American mentality that just looks at him and Jim Crows him off as a black guy. Forgetting that he's half white and also that he's from Hawaii, which is culturally a pretty damn different place from growing up black in the south or elsewhere. When I voted for him I didn't even feel like I was voting for "a black guy", I felt like I was voting for another hapa. It's a Hawaiian term.

The term hapa comes from a Hawaiian Pidgin word that denotes a part or fragment of something, itself a loan from the English word half. When applied to people, this denotes that such people are of mixed descent. Mary Pukui and Samuel Ebert's Hawaiian Dictionary define hapa as: "of mixed blood, person of mixed blood as in hapa Hawaiʻi, part Hawaiian

And equally I know that a lot of Hawaiians enthusiastically voted for him not because he was Dem (or black) but because he was from Hawaii and Hawaii so often feels like a forgotten part of the U.S. He also won over the loyalty of Chicago black Americans not because he was "one of them" (he wasn't), but because of his efforts to work on behalf of inner city workers and poor.

Obama signified a lot of different things to a lot of different voters and only this small middle America limited horizons viewpoint like Jack's would boil it down to "black guy."

Obama is the first "black" President, but he's also, and more importantly to me personally, our first mixed-race President.

[Durango95]

Well 14.7 is lower than 16.5, so yes I guess it is lower. YAY!!!

[xbuzzerx]

Well 14.7 is lower than 16.5, so yes I guess it is lower. YAY!!!

Fixin dat Bush economy takes time.

[CowboyBob]

Fixin dat Bush economy takes time.

Bush and President Cheney had 8 full years to destroy the economy. Shouldn't President Obama get 8 years to fix it?

In 2009 the Fox talking heads were complaining 6 weeks after Obama's inauguration that the economy wasn't fixed.

[youfiad]

Unemployment statistics are not very helpful in determining anything. In the end, they mean hardly anything, other than measuring who's STILL LOOKING FOR A JOB. It cannot be used, accurately, in determining economic strength or overall financial wellbeing of families, as it often is used.

[MisterB]

None of your business where I work or have worked.

... and since when have you be hired as a moderator?

Yes Mr. Springer, I am indeed, not your boss.

But sometimes I think you are everybody's b*tch around these forums the way you repeatedly let yourself get f*cked by your own words.

Please continue...

[GiancarloC]

Unemployment statistics are not very helpful in determining anything. In the end, they mean hardly anything, other than measuring who's STILL LOOKING FOR A JOB. It cannot be used, accurately, in determining economic strength or overall financial wellbeing of families, as it often is used.

Wow. Really? When jobs are being created and the rate of job growth is increasing (from 200,000 to 250,000 roughly) it doesn't mean anything? So when statistics look good they don't mean anything but when they are bad they mean everything? That's the problem here.

And the economy is quite strong if one were to actually look at the figures and not rely on conjectures. Fact: 150,000 construction jobs have been created the last three months. Construction is directly related to the strength of the economy (this was cited earlier).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...five-year-high

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...s-economy.aspx

Last Friday's jobs number was the best report since last November and second-best report in the past year. The 236,000 jobs added to our economy in February is a huge step in the right direction, though we do have a lot of work to do, as we're still about 3 million jobs short of our pre-recession highs. While the overall employment number was great, there's one number embedded in there that's even more important, and that's the number of construction jobs added.

While movie-goers will appreciate that Hollywood hired more than 20,000 last month, it was the 48,000 construction jobs added in February that's huge for the economy. That's the most construction jobs created since December 2007 and probably just the beginning of things to come.

We're still 3 million jobs short post-recession, but we're getting closer and closer to that pre-recession number and the strength of the economy is underlined by strong growth in both technology/manufacturing and construction sectors.

[centexfarmer]

Let's knock off the purse fight ladies.

Six posts soft deleted.

This thread gets closed next time.

[JayHawk]

I think I hit the nail on the head. You and others here always have to refer to the President as a black man ... and not a man. I think you and others have deep seated issues regarding respect for black people being an equal.

Right... that is why the democRAT party came up with Obama the Magic Negro song.... you forget I actually live in your fucked up and bigoted neighborhood. I ejected one of KCMOs finest the other day because they were making racial comments on the testing floor. True reps of the fine region, of which you Sir are a product. That is incredibly anecdotal but you do very little to alter those anecdotal opinions daily. Don't worry Jack though because I honestly don't care if you are or aren't racist. Your opinion in that matter is as relevant as on any other topic around here. But Centex had to delete six post so you must be doing your normal duty of saying outrageous shit. I will have to say that the threads you get involved in are certainly entertaining or a train wreck... I cannot decide.



Youfiad -- I agree with your statement with one exception, that rate is a accurate indicator. It may not be all inclusive and it may be faulted, BUT it is how the yard stick is constructed, if you will. That is how others were measured so therefore it provides a comparison. If more people continue to enter the job market as time goes by then the rate simply stays elevated for longer. I cannot see a reliable way to account for those who stop seeking work compared to those of working age who cannot work. We could of course chip everyone, you know, like dogs? But I don't think the Christians would get along with that.....mark of the beast and all that stuff.

[MisterB]

An imagination can be a wonderful thing. Here in these forums, maybe not so much...

[chrisrobin]

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Just heard the latest unemployment data on my radio just now...those looking for work is the lowest since late 2008. Thank heaven for all those job creators in the top 1%.

And thanks to Boner for all those jobs, jobs, jobs. Promises made, promises kept?

[Jack Springer]

The 'magic negro' quote originated by the liberal columnist David Ehrenstein in the LA Times-- not Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,3391015.story

Right... that is why the democRAT party came up with Obama the Magic Negro song.... you forget I actually live in your fucked up and bigoted neighborhood. I ejected one of KCMOs finest the other day because they were making racial comments on the testing floor. True reps of the fine region, of which you Sir are a product. That is incredibly anecdotal but you do very little to alter those anecdotal opinions daily. Don't worry Jack though because I honestly don't care if you are or aren't racist. Your opinion in that matter is as relevant as on any other topic around here. But Centex had to delete six post so you must be doing your normal duty of saying outrageous shit. I will have to say that the threads you get involved in are certainly entertaining or a train wreck... I cannot decide.



Youfiad -- I agree with your statement with one exception, that rate is a accurate indicator. It may not be all inclusive and it may be faulted, BUT it is how the yard stick is constructed, if you will. That is how others were measured so therefore it provides a comparison. If more people continue to enter the job market as time goes by then the rate simply stays elevated for longer. I cannot see a reliable way to account for those who stop seeking work compared to those of working age who cannot work. We could of course chip everyone, you know, like dogs? But I don't think the Christians would get along with that.....mark of the beast and all that stuff.

[centexfarmer]

The 'magic negro' quote originated by the liberal columnist David Ehrenstein in the LA Times-- not Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,3391015.story

That's it?

That's your response?

I'm sorry Jack Springer, I hope that you know that I personally love you like a fat kid loves cake (and I acknowledge that chrisrobin created this thread)....and I did an extensive "google search" on the differences between But and However...so I've decided to go with on the other hand...approach from the same link.

If some of y'all don't at least click on the hyperlinks that I've taken the time to provide, you're missing out.

So please forgive me if I quote you once again:

The 'magic negro' quote originated by the liberal columnist David Ehrenstein in the LA Times-- not Rush Limbaugh.

So please let me axe you a question:

What difference does it make?

There are many reasons why I've deigned (most of which is personal, and I will not share) to respond to thread/posts in CE&P, or to respond to Post Comments/Private Posts here on JUB these past several weeks.

It's because IMHV (In My Humble View) most of the "right" and the "liberal media" are arguing over CHICKEN SHIT.

But IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) that seems to be the "right" and the "liberal media's" forte.

It makes great fertilizer, and greens up the crops, and keeps us Americans tuned into Fox News and MSNBC, and at each other's throats, but the ad hominem addresses never allow those us of most opposed to another opinion to weigh those opinions by any measure.

Do they?

So, here in CE&P this is what passes for dialogue...and posts...and threads:

Excuse me, but...

[Jack Springer]

What's a person to do when part of America (and one outspoken, cranky Canuk) just ignores real life and focuses on fantasy?

Much of the garbage on here is chicken shit.

[centexfarmer]

What's a person to do when part of America (and one outspoken, cranky Canuk) just ignores real life and focuses on fantasy?

Much of the garbage on here is chicken shit.

Stop drinking Long Island iced Tea, and being an asshole about it?

[justdra]

Would love to see everyone in a real room talk about about this lol see who draws first blood lol. lol @ purse fight. Agree to disagree because no one ever will.

[xbuzzerx]

What's a person to do when part of America (and one outspoken, cranky Canuk) just ignores real life and focuses on fantasy?

Much of the garbage on here is chicken shit.

Jack you seem to think the progressives here are just the flipside of the coin from you. Chrisrobin posted a story about how unemployment is down. We could nitpick over the minutiae and people have, but it's still basically a fact based story.

Your version of this story would sound something like "Unemployment is down, proof that Obama has killed off Americans who were looking for jobs" or some other nutso conclusion and then you seem mystified as to why we pounce up and down all over your threads and don't take them seriously.

[GiancarloC]

What's a person to do when part of America (and one outspoken, cranky Canuk) just ignores real life and focuses on fantasy?

What's a person to do? They wouldn't vote for such assholes like Romney and Ryan if they were so focused on real life.

Please get a grip.

Much of the garbage on here is chicken shit.

LOL Ironic.

I LIVE in real fucking life, and I WORK FOR A LIVING. I can't say the same about the bitter right wingers on here.

[Jack Springer]

The problem is that unemployment is not down. More people are without jobs today than ever.

You're just buying an obsolete method of reporting current employment.

Jack you seem to think the progressives here are just the flipside of the coin from you. Chrisrobin posted a story about how unemployment is down. We could nitpick over the minutiae and people have, but it's still basically a fact based story.

Your version of this story would sound something like "Unemployment is down, proof that Obama has killed off Americans who were looking for jobs" or some other nutso conclusion and then you seem mystified as to why we pounce up and down all over your threads and don't take them seriously.

[CowboyBob]

Not only unemployment is down, the stock market is at record high, businesses are making record profits, auto sales are much higher, housing starts are up.

The Obamaeconomy is a success!

One war done, another one winding down. Bin laden dead. The President is doing a great job of cleaning up his predecessor's mess.

Unfortunately there are some Gloomy Gusses who live in a bubble that refuse to believe things are getting better. The only thing you have to fear, is fear itself.

[Rolyo85]

The problem is that unemployment is not down. More people are without jobs today than ever.

You're just buying an obsolete method of reporting current employment.

Weird - it was working fine for you when it was showing what you wanted it to show.

[xbuzzerx]

The problem is that unemployment is not down. More people are without jobs today than ever.

You're just buying an obsolete method of reporting current employment.

Not only unemployment is down, the stock market is at record high, businesses are making record profits, auto sales are much higher, housing starts are up.

The Obamaeconomy is a success!

One war done, another one winding down. Bin laden dead. The President is doing a great job of cleaning up his predecessor's mess.

Unfortunately there are some Gloomy Gusses who live in a bubble that refuse to believe things are getting better. The only thing you have to fear, is fear itself.

So Jack, how do you explain how well the stock index is doing?

[CowboyBob]

What's this? Chrysler is going on a hiring spree?

http://www.leftlanenews.com/jeep-add...edo-plant.html

Appears Chrysler can't build enough Jeep Wranglers to meed demand so they're hiring more American workers.

Jeep set an all time record last year in sales.

Didn't Romney claim Jeep was closing American plants and moving Jeep production to China?

The Obamaeconomy is a success!

ADDED:

Consumer spending surprisingly robust in February:

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,5894812.story


No gloom and doom here!

[Jack Springer]

Weird - it was working fine for you when it was showing what you wanted it to show.

Actually no -- I've looked at the U6 for a long time regarding unemployment -- even during the Bush years.

http://portalseven.com/employment/un...94&toYear=2013

You can easily see what 9/11 and the Iraq War did to unemployment.

[Jack Springer]

Bob - the stock market is only moving up because there is no where else for people to put their money. It's not because companies are doing the best ever.

Not only unemployment is down, the stock market is at record high, businesses are making record profits, auto sales are much higher, housing starts are up.

The Obamaeconomy is a success!

One war done, another one winding down. Bin laden dead. The President is doing a great job of cleaning up his predecessor's mess.

Unfortunately there are some Gloomy Gusses who live in a bubble that refuse to believe things are getting better. The only thing you have to fear, is fear itself.

[tigerfan482]

Bob - the stock market is only moving up because there is no where else for people to put their money. It's not because companies are doing the best ever.

You've used this line before and it's as much crap now as it was then. There are NUMEROUS places people can put their money other than the US stock market.

[GiancarloC]

The problem is that unemployment is not down. More people are without jobs today than ever.

You're just buying an obsolete method of reporting current employment.

BUT THE FUCKING UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS DOWN and over 200,000 jobs are now being created every month which is enough to make a sizable dent in the unemployment rate. And what's this obsolete method? It's not an "obsolete" method. It's the actual method. It's not more of the same made up republican math.

[GiancarloC]

Actually no -- I've looked at the U6 for a long time regarding unemployment -- even during the Bush years.

http://portalseven.com/employment/un...94&toYear=2013

You can easily see what 9/11 and the Iraq War did to unemployment.

That's an easily distorted figure and varies from source to source. What did the Iraq war do to unemployment? The "great economy" in 2005-2006 was nothing but a house of cards.

[Jack Springer]

Where? Please tell us.

You've used this line before and it's as much crap now as it was then. There are NUMEROUS places people can put their money other than the US stock market.