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    North Korea says it is scrapping all non-aggression pacts with South Korea, closing its hotline with Seoul and shutting their shared border point.

    The announcement follows a fresh round of UN sanctions punishing Pyongyang for its nuclear test last month.

    Earlier, Pyongyang said it had a right to carry out a pre-emptive nuclear strike and was pulling out of the armistice that ended the Korean War.

    The US said "extreme rhetoric" was not unusual for Pyongyang.

    China, which is the North's only major ally, called for both North and South to show restraint and to continue talking.

    Beijing rarely criticises its ally, but has criticised the North's nuclear tests and has given support to the UN's sanctions.

    It also said it was notifying the South that it was "immediately" cutting off the North-South hotline, saying there was "nothing to talk to the puppet group of traitors about".

    The hotline, installed in 1971, is intended as a means of direct communication at a time of high tension, but is also used to co-ordinate the passage of people and goods through the heavily-fortified Demilitarized Zone.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21709917

    Big stuff. The cutting off of the hotline ought to make South Korea feel immense uneasiness.

    Kim Jong-Un telling soldiers to "annihilate the enemy at any time" is concerning, but apparently attacks from the North are unlikely.

    The declaration was announced after the sanctions against them, which China was a co-author of. I wonder if China would involve itself if an attack were to happen.

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    Baby Kim is rattling his saber.

    They're pissed off that the new tougher sanctions include no sales of yachts and luxury cars to the NK elite. Whenever there are new sanctions NK whines for attention and talks tough.

    They're well aware if they carry out these threats South Korea, China and the USA would turn their little country into a parking lot for one of Seoul's shopping centers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Baby Kim is rattling his saber.

    They're pissed off that the new tougher sanctions include no sales of yachts and luxury cars to the NK elite. Whenever there are new sanctions NK whines for attention and talks tough.

    They're well aware if they carry out these threats South Korea, China and the USA would turn their little country into a parking lot for one of Seoul's shopping centers.
    That was my initial thought as well. This is the new leader's way of coming into power with an impact and trying to impart an impression of "you can't just status quo sideline me like my father.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    That was my initial thought as well. This is the new leader's way of coming into power with an impact and trying to impart an impression of "you can't just status quo sideline me like my father.."
    But they pretty much can...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    But they pretty much can...
    They can and will, yeah.

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    The thing that concerns me is that the north has enough missiles aimed at Seoul to level the entire city several times over. If the north gets crazy -- not merely insane, which it has been for decades -- one heck of a lot of people are going to die.

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    North Korean leaders must know that their country will be a sheet of glass if they ever fire a nuclear weapon at the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The thing that concerns me is that the north has enough missiles aimed at Seoul to level the entire city several times over. If the north gets crazy -- not merely insane, which it has been for decades -- one heck of a lot of people are going to die.
    Can't their missiles reach the west coast of US? Wash to Calif needs to up their defense if not already done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Can't their missiles reach the west coast of US? Wash to Calif needs to up their defense if not already done.
    That's the *theoretical* range of their missile capabilities but seeing as how almost all their test missiles disappeared mysteriously or blew up, I wouldn't get all hyper paranoid about it.

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    North Korea is going so out of hand. So many people going to go war on them if they touch South Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    That's the *theoretical* range of their missile capabilities but seeing as how almost all their test missiles disappeared mysteriously or blew up, I wouldn't get all hyper paranoid about it.
    Oh, yeah, I didn't factor that in. Well, that's how it goes, I'm usually wrong about defences.
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    Considering the billions that China has in trade with South Korea, it'll only be a matter of time until the Chinese tell him to shut his fat mouth. I mean lets even look at the original article... China is now starting to criticize North Korea.

    Beijing rarely criticises its ally, but has criticised the North's nuclear tests and has given support to the UN's sanctions.
    It's a lonely world for Pyongyang. And they better watch where they step... because South Korea won't be the most of their worries.
    Last edited by GiancarloC; March 8th, 2013 at 04:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    North Korean leaders must know that their country will be a sheet of glass if they ever fire a nuclear weapon at the South.
    ...or anyone else...
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Oh, yeah, I didn't factor that in. Well, that's how it goes, I'm usually wrong about defences.
    Even just the name... taepodong.... just... facepalm.

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    The only real concern is how China will react to North Korea. While China and Japan have had a millennium-long feud, I dunno how China-Korea relations have been. I think unification is long overdue and could easily be achieved if it was desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    The only real concern is how China will react to North Korea. While China and Japan have had a millennium-long feud, I dunno how China-Korea relations have been. I think unification is long overdue and could easily be achieved if it was desired.
    You realize this idea would horrify not just Japan but also South Korea? Heck it might even horrify both the Chinese and the North Koreans.

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    North Korea knows better. They will continue to be asshats for decades to come, but they will never pose an imminent national security threat to the United States, nor will they ever be allowed to conquer South Korea (due to the nation's significant participation in the global economy.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Can't their missiles reach the west coast of US? Wash to Calif needs to up their defense if not already done.
    Their effective range can hit extremities of Alaska. A streak of luck might get one far enough to hit Seattle, but the accuracy is like +/- a couple hundred klicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Oh, yeah, I didn't factor that in. Well, that's how it goes, I'm usually wrong about defences.
    The sort of missiles they have could be successfully killed by a typical US Navy cruiser near the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    The only real concern is how China will react to North Korea. While China and Japan have had a millennium-long feud, I dunno how China-Korea relations have been. I think unification is long overdue and could easily be achieved if it was desired.
    Long term, the north Koreans would be far better off to reunify with the south sooner rather than later. If they become a serious problem for China, the Chinese can correct the problem by the simple expedient of sending enough Chinese immigrants to just absorb the place.

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    Isn't it amazing how politicts work. Sadaam was thought to have weapons of mass destruction and he was invaded, captured and hanged. Ten years later we still have troops there. North Korea is known to have weapons of mass destruction, threatens to use them and they are ignored. No oil in North Korea.
    Last edited by kevin23; March 8th, 2013 at 08:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    Isn't it amazing how politicts work. Sadaam was thought to have weapons of mass destruction and he was invaded, captured and hanged. North Korea is know to have weapons of mass destruction, threatens to use them and they are ignored. No oil in North Korea.
    Altho millions of North Koreans suffer and have died because of one madman and his offspring, there is no interest in this country. Like you said, there is no oil and American corporate interests haven't instructed republicans to save their profits for them.

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    Apparently, N. Korea has done this twice before. I don't S. Korea will be worried until they actually attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Considering the billions that China has in trade with South Korea, it'll only be a matter of time until the Chinese tell him to shut his fat mouth. I mean lets even look at the original article... China is now starting to criticize North Korea.



    It's a lonely world for Pyongyang. And they better watch where they step... because South Korea won't be the most of their worries.
    The Chinese are tired of N. Korea. This latest round of sanctions were written by China personally.

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    If we do not do something about these people then they are going to level South Korea and eventually come at us. We must stop them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    If we do not do something about these people then they are going to level South Korea and eventually come at us. We must stop them.
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    They key to dealing with North Korea is simple: Ignore their threats. They mean nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    Isn't it amazing how politicts work. Sadaam was thought to have weapons of mass destruction and he was invaded, captured and hanged. Ten years later we still have troops there. North Korea is known to have weapons of mass destruction, threatens to use them and they are ignored. No oil in North Korea.
    Precisely. See how the world works?
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    China could decapitate the Kim regime if it so wished, but won't because millions of refugees will pour across the Yalu River.

    The new sanctions legitimize more intense inspections of North Korean shipping. I think it will help if NK's trading partners are diligent about banned alloys and equipment.

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    We hope the threats are just bluff, but he is a new guy and may be crazier than we think. Hitler described his intentions in some detail, but people did not take him seriously.

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    I think some overstate North Korea's own military might to a great degree. Looking at their own military stockpile and you'll see a great deal of outdated inventory and a lack of training.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army

    South Korea alone has a far more sophisticated military and they have upgraded it heavily since the fall of the Soviet Union. Something North Korea really hasn't done to a great degree. Some say their soldiers only receive 500 calories of food a day, while in the DMZ area receiving 650 calories a day. This isn't enough... certainly not for a soldier.

    As compared to this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._of_Korea_Army

    We're talking about a large, yet highly outdated force against a large, yet highly sophisticated one.

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    Of course NK would lose any war, but they could do immense damage in the meantime.

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    More chest beating.

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    I'm not for any of these dictator nations, I'm just saying that if we want to understand why they behave the way they do we have to look at it from their perspective.

    The dictators are boxed into a corner, isolated and feel threatened. (George W. calling them an axis of evil) Of course they're going to fight back.

    Same situation with Iran. Israel obviously has nukes and it at least appears to the Muslim world that a lot of the Israelis would be happy to push the Palestinians out into the sea. That said, I also realize a lot of Palestinians and Iranians want nothing less than for all the Jews to die so it's a double edge sword.

    The Iranians saw the U.S. invade Iraq, disable the military and take out the president and most of the government. Now Obama's using drones to kill people all over the middle east. Why would we be surprised that they (North Korea and Iran) are pursuing nuclear weapons? I would be surprised if they weren't.

    Serious carrots on a stick are needed but I'm afraid it's far too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Of course NK would lose any war, but they could do immense damage in the meantime.
    Circle the calendar. This is the first time I've agreed with Benny on anything.

    Seoul is 30 miles from the NLK / SK border with a metro population of 25 million. NK has the capabilities to launch a bunch of rockets into Seoul and cause major damage and death. Since Seoul is the heart of SK and the country economy is dependent on it, not only would the casualties be horrendous but it would throw the SK economy into a tailspin. The Americans are a huge trading partner with SK and a Seoul strike would affect us directly too. We import 5 billion a month from SK and export 3-4 billion to them a month.

    Maybe one of those drones could be flying over Pyongyang right now with a target on Kim Jong Un's head. It would be an easy target since he's the only chubby person in the country.

    But as usual, they're rattling their sabers right now about the latest sanctions. They do it all the time.
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    NK is not backed into a corner. We have not threatened it. We have sanctioned its sales of missiles and its development of nuclear weapons. But we have offered and given food and aid when it has stopped. It can have peace anytime it wants to. It think the real problem is that it thinks its problems could solved by uniting with the rich South with Kim as the dictator. But the US blocks it. I think it is totally focused on a forced unification. Nothing else, including the well being of its people matters until it is unified.
    Iran can have peace merely by delisting from its bomb program. It has no reason to feel threatened by Israel other than its own belligerence to Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    More chest beating.
    I was agreeing with you post number 30.

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    Agree with what exactly?

    I didn't agree with your assessment on the situation. North Korea most definitely is backed into a corner. China is now criticizing and even had a hand in writing the latest round of sanctions. China trades billions with South Korea and will put money over an old friendship, as I know how the Chinese operate.

    Unification would cost South Korea more than unification cost West Germany after its reunification with East Germany.

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    It is not a corner since NK has an easy way out.

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    Well, here's breaking news.
    Headliner from Fox news, source:
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    North Korea vows nuclear attack on US, saying Washington will be 'engulfed in a sea of fire'

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    North Korea amplified its threatening rhetoric as the U.N. Security Council approved new sweeping sanctions, vowing to launch a first-strike nuclear attack against the United States and threatening to engulf Washington in a "sea of fire."
    OOOOOOHHHHHHH word is from FOX NEWS. Not only will they strike the US but it will be in Washington DC.
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    More breaking news from the Mirror UK.
    I'm not familiar with the Mirror, but if it is anything like Faux Snooze, I guess we have nothing to worry about, however we don't have anything to worry about hitting DC either.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ar-war-1749130
    By Chris Hughes

    North Korea threatens nuclear war with America next Monday

    7 Mar 2013 19:44

    Rogue state North Korea today threatened to launch a nuclear missile strike on the US as soon as Monday.

    The warning came hours before the United Nations imposed tough new sanctions to punish it for an atomic test last month.

    North Korea said it was entitled to attack from March 11 when America steps up military drills with South Korea – a move it claimed signaled the US was ready to strike.
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    Looks like we were able to get some intel from North Korea regarding a possible future missile launch.

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    I just... really can't take all of this seriously. I can't get the image of a yapping chihuahua out of my head, and it's making me snicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I just... really can't take all of this seriously. I can't get the image of a yapping chihuahua out of my head, and it's making me snicker.
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    LOL Launch defective missiles that can't even fly across the pacific ocean? Meanwhile millions in the country suffer from starvation. North Korea's own military forces lack food as I said. Their soldiers are starving...

    And if they try anything, they'll have South Korean F-15s flying right over Pyongyang within minutes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    LOL Launch defective missiles that can't even fly across the pacific ocean? Meanwhile millions in the country suffer from starvation. North Korea's own military forces lack food as I said. Their soldiers are starving...

    And if they try anything, they'll have South Korean F-15s flying right over Pyongyang within minutes...
    Assuming they don't blow themselves up during the attempt. They've become very good at burying nukes to detonate. I bet they're now trying to tunnel through the earth to reach the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Can't their missiles reach the west coast of US? Wash to Calif needs to up their defense if not already done.
    They can in theory but how well they could in reality is a really big question mark. The GBI interceptor fields in Alaska and California are intended to address this threat though and the theory behind them are far stronger than the NK ICBMs at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    That's the *theoretical* range of their missile capabilities but seeing as how almost all their test missiles disappeared mysteriously or blew up, I wouldn't get all hyper paranoid about it.
    Well the did FINALLY get a satellite into orbit, after lying about the first one. Once you reach that threshold you have most of the technical issues with making a working ICBM licked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Well the did FINALLY get a satellite into orbit, after lying about the first one. Once you reach that threshold you have most of the technical issues with making a working ICBM licked.
    Not exactly. ICBMs are a different story entirely.

    http://www.albanyherald.com/news/201...g-north-korea/

    Here is a story on the whole situation... China may be getting tired of the theatrics... if North Korea even tries to hit the US and damage our economy that could damage the Chinese economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    Isn't it amazing how politicts work. Sadaam was thought to have weapons of mass destruction and he was invaded, captured and hanged. Ten years later we still have troops there. North Korea is known to have weapons of mass destruction, threatens to use them and they are ignored. No oil in North Korea.
    Actually I think it has more to do with China's willingness to defend North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    If we do not do something about these people then they are going to level South Korea and eventually come at us. We must stop them.
    South Korea's military surpassed the North Korean's sometime ago, the south will most likely win any conflict now but Seoul would be destroyed in the initial missile exchanges so they would rather avoid it.
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