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    RIP Hugo Chavez

    He was an extremist with good ideas. He just didn't know when to stop from going overboard, but his heart was in the right place. He stood up for the poor and stood up against the Satanic Bush Jr.

    He shattered the perception from a certain group of people in our country that believe that the US President doesn't answer to anyone internationally. He stood up against the tyranny of the Iraq war and the bloodshed Bush brought to the world.

    RIP Hugo Chavez. If there's a God, Hugo Chavez is with him. And there would then have to be a deep, dark, hot corner in Hell waiting for Bush on Judgment Day.

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    I respected and liked him for who he was and what he stood for. RIP Mr Chavez.

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    Apparently, we killed him by infecting him with cancer.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/world/...a-chavez-main/

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    The Benevolent Dictator is dead. It is shocking news, but I feel no sadness for a man who viewed himself as the supreme leader of his country as to dismantle its constitution to prolong his own reign. His people will suffer now for the economic mess he's made in Venezuela.
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    Re: RIP Hugo Chavez

    Whatever good things he brought to the table,it doesn't erase the fact he was also a tyrant who murdered people who didn't agree with him or what he was doing to the country.

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    Let's see. Giancarlo's hero is Chavez and Chavez's hero is Fidel Castro. Chavez was a communist, pure and simple. It didn't work for Chavez or Castro or Kim Ill whatshisname, or Stalin, or Mao, or Ceausescu or anyone else and it would not work for Giancarlo. It is a myth that there are people starving in America. If there are malnourished, it is because mama is spending the welfare checks on booze. Even the millions of illegals get food stamps. I would be the first to admit we have too many poor people and do not need more.

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    We are still importing Venezuelan oil as Citgo and they changed their name to Valero on their gas stations. I'm surprised at all the sincere posts on his dying, something I wasn't ready for. I didn't have any problems with him, I guess just like y'all.
    I also can't believe GiancarloC and JockBoy87 went on with their convo until almost 5AM. From what I read about what you were saying, GC and JB87, y'all were close to saying the same thing.
    RIP Chavez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Let's see. Giancarlo's hero is Chavez and Chavez's hero is Fidel Castro. Chavez was a communist, pure and simple. It didn't work for Chavez or Castro or Kim Ill whatshisname, or Stalin, or Mao, or Ceausescu or anyone else and it would not work for Giancarlo. It is a myth that there are people starving in America. If there are malnourished, it is because mama is spending the welfare checks on booze. Even the millions of illegals get food stamps. I would be the first to admit we have too many poor people and do not need more.
    Here we go again. You CANNOT buy booze with food stamps. I'll need to see a link about the millions of illegals that get food stamps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    It's just another lie in a long list of lies and deceptions. Food stamps can't buy booze and illegals don't get food stamps. Most welfare goes to republican states... the irony, oh the irony!
    Most welfare recipients are black despite being only 13% of the US population. How's that for irony?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    It's just another lie in a long list of lies and deceptions. Food stamps can't buy booze and illegals don't get food stamps. Most welfare goes to republican states... the irony, oh the irony!
    I said moms must be using WELFARE for booze, not food stamps.
    But we have identified a big share if the people-- if any-- who are underfed. And it would be very wrong for the government to tax Americans to feed immigrants, legal or not. If we want to feed them, we should do it in their country, not ours. Feeding them here just encourages more to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Deflection! Most welfare goes to republican states for poor whites.
    Now THAT'S a deflection. Where's your shred of proof that it's "poor whites" who are collecting "most welfare" in what you term Republican states. Your chart only shows STATES.

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    There is no proof that the welfare goes to poor whites. The assertion was just invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    No it's not. I'm stating fact. Why does most federal aid go to republican states? No. I state reality and facts. Not the right wing distortions and deflections. Keep it up with the falsehoods!
    No, you posted biased hogwash, as per usual. I posted a link showing reality and facts. Why can't you do the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe5 View Post
    I posted a link showing reality and facts.
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    [URL="http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/"]http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/[/URL]
    Reality and facts are always helpful.

    Your Statistic Brain link indicates that the sources of its data are the US Department of Health and Human Services, US Department of Commerce, and CATO Institute. It also indicates that “aid” may include: general Welfare payments, health care through Medicaid, food stamps, special payments for pregnant women and young mothers, and federal and state housing benefits.

    Do you know what year the data represents?

    Do you know what aid characteristics (e.g. food stamps, unemployment insurance [both mentioned under the section titled “Welfare Statistics”]) are included in the section titled “Welfare Demographics?”

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    Good riddance to bad rubbish......
    Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

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    The smell of sulfur still fills the air from when the gates of hell opened and welcomed another of it's own to eternal torment.

    Good riddance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    No it's not. I'm stating fact. Why does most federal aid go to republican states? No. I state reality and facts. Not the right wing distortions and deflections. Keep it up with the falsehoods!
    The chart does not say that red states get more aid. That is a lie. It says the states on the right get more aid than they pay in Federal taxes.
    The states on the right have substantial minority populations, and they are farm states. Historically even rich farmers have low taxable incomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    There is no proof that the welfare goes to poor whites. The assertion was just invented.
    There is no proof that you exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post

    RIP Hugo Chavez. If there's a God, Hugo Chavez is with him. And there would then have to be a deep, dark, hot corner in Hell waiting for Bush on Judgment Day.

    Why don't you just join the Chavez cronies in their treating him as the second messiah?

    Chavez was a piece of trash along the likes of Ahmadinejad in Iran (the two were great pals, didn't you know?)

    The man was a dictator and wanted to become President for life by changing laws. He helped the poor by marginalizing and terrorizing specific populations of the country.

    I won't be shedding a tear over his death, and wished he was behind bars during this whole ordeal.

    Bye bye!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The smell of sulfur still fills the air from when the gates of hell opened and welcomed another of it's own to eternal torment.

    Good riddance.
    We're not talking about Reagan sweetie but since you seem to be...I agree.

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    I am liking the posts from the homosexual Republicans who crow about being Christians at every opportunity they see fit, but now are celebrating a man's death, which is a nasty, not Christian, thing to do.

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    Remember, he was best at looting his country. His net worth from his short period in office is estimated at 1 to 2 BILLION dollars.http://www.celebritynetworth.com/ric...vez-net-worth/
    His hero Castro is at a mere 900 Million.http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...4-castro_x.htm
    Maybe there is something to this socialism after all, if you get to be the head socialist.
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    Although I do not favor dictatorships of any kind, the fact that Chavez and Dubya were adversaries speaks very highly of Mr. Chavez. RIP.

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    I do not like speaking ill of the dead... often... but in this case i will just say that I hope relations between us and Venezuela improve. They were fantastic back in my youth. I love Chile, Brazil, Peru, Argentina and haven't been to Bolivia or Paraguay much.... however I would never go to Venezuela in recent years because of the government... the people are probably still wonderful. If that turns a corner then All of South America can be explored again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    I am liking the posts from the homosexual Republicans who crow about being Christians at every opportunity they see fit, but now are celebrating a man's death, which is a nasty, not Christian, thing to do.
    Enjoy your future with Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Enjoy your future with Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot.
    Yes, I understand you Christians believe gays are bound for hell. I'll say hi to W. for you.

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    The Socialist government unfortunately remains but at least the Crazy in Caracas show is now officially cancelled. However he benefitted some of his people he wrecked democracy in Venezuela and shut down almost all opposition. He supported tyrannical regimes and nasty people worldwide and was a megolamaniac who tried to create a cult of personality ...delusional and probably insane. If it weren't for oil, the bane of the environmentalist activists Chavez would never have lasted at all. He was full of himself in life... if there is an afterlife he would best be served blustering away on every topic with no audience to cheer him on for eternity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Enjoy your future with Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot.
    *he fast forwards*
    Let's not forget about Barry!

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    RIP
    He was an opponent of neoliberalism, and his legacy will be enduring.

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    As a Democrat I NEVER knew if I was suppose to LIKE Hugo or HATE the guy..The Media claimed he did a lot for the poor in his Country but I NEVER did my home-work on him back in the day.

    It was reported this morning that Hugo's body will be embalmed & put on permanent display inside a Museum....I know I couldnt bare seeing my Parent like that 24/7..Every time I'd visit the Museum I'd fall to the Floor crying and they'd have to carry me out the back door...

    The workers at the Museum would HATE to see me coming because they know I'm going to be a wreck and scare the paying visitors...



    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    Yes, I understand you Christians believe gays are bound for hell. I'll say hi to W. for you.
    Many of your fellow Jubers are Gay/Bi Christians. All Christians do not believe Gays are bound for hell..The Church is slowly changing just like Congress and The White House.

    You won't get far stereotyping people & their Faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The smell of sulfur still fills the air from when the gates of hell opened and welcomed another of it's own to eternal torment.

    Good riddance.
    Are you speaking from experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    As a Democrat I NEVER knew if I was suppose to LIKE Hugo or HATE the guy..The Media claimed he did a lot for the poor in his Country but I NEVER did my home-work on him back in the day.

    It was reported this morning that Hugo's body will be embalmed & put on permanent display inside a Museum....I know I couldnt bare seeing my Parent like that 24/7..Every time I'd visit the Museum I'd fall to the Floor crying and they'd have to carry me out the back door...

    The workers at the Museum would HATE to see me coming because they know I'm going to be a wreck and scare the paying visitors...





    Many of your fellow Jubers are Gay/Bi Christians. All Christians do not believe Gays are bound for hell..The Church is slowly changing just like Congress and The White House.

    You won't get far stereotyping people & their Faith.
    Just as a bit of trivia to throw into the "was he good or bad?" discussion, after Hurricane Katrina he did send a large amount of gas and fuel earmarked to help hospitals and emergency facilities power their generators after the disaster. I remember it being only very lightly talked about at all in our news, and of course... some of our news outlets were actively trying to make it out to be a villainous act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Just as a bit of trivia to throw into the "was he good or bad?" discussion, after Hurricane Katrina he did send a large amount of gas and fuel earmarked to help hospitals and emergency facilities power their generators after the disaster. I remember it being only very lightly talked about at all in our news, and of course... some of our news outlets were actively trying to make it out to be a villainous act.
    He also offered very cheap gas and heating fuel to poor Americans if the greedy middlemen removed themselves from the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    He also offered very cheap gas and heating fuel to poor Americans if the greedy middlemen removed themselves from the process.
    Chavez was EVIL BIG OIL -- Citgo.

    I'm sorry ... is that a double standard -- big oil is OK if owned by socialists?

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    Chavez had just one thing going for him, yet was a hypocrite even on that: he understood that a healthy economy can't survive when there is a vast inequality in wealth distribution, while at the same time using the system to distribute wealth to himself and cronies. It doesn't matter what system you want, vast inequality cripples them all. Capitalism is a good system when there is a broad distribution of wealth, because then you get most of the people benefiting from the hard work of all.

    The irony is that Republicans in the U.S. should have seen Chavez as a hero, in that he rigged the system to shift wealth to himself and friends -- the very same thing Republicans fight for in legislatures across the land.



    p.s. -- rather than embalming him, they should throw his body into an "anything to oil" factory, where his remains can at least provide a bit more fuel for his people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Chavez was EVIL BIG OIL -- Citgo.

    I'm sorry ... is that a double standard -- big oil is OK if owned by socialists?
    Hey Jack, ever seen how women or non-Muslims get treated in Saudi Arabia?

    You'd take Hugo's homeland over that any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Chavez was EVIL BIG OIL -- Citgo.

    I'm sorry ... is that a double standard -- big oil is OK if owned by socialists?
    So much hate emanating from Pastor Springer. So much anger and frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Chavez reduced unemployment, poverty and so forth so he did quite well at reducing inequalities... yet some here are still attacking him... he's the worst enemy of all right wingers. Chavez, Lula and others expose the fraudulent nature of right wingers... especially those in the United States. Lula said it best though... those sitting in Wall Street thought they knew everything but they really don't know JACK SHIT.
    He reduced his own poverty by about 2 billion in 14 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Thanks for the distorted figures from the right wing sources... Have any more falsehoods to share?

    Oh and the republican party has stole hundreds of billions from America, but I don't see anyone complaining about that one.
    Well yeah, it's only bad when darkies do it. Check out the dispropotionate whining about things like much overblown "tribal corruption" and such, when no one seems to mind that Halliburton and simliar contractors got no bid contracts with multi billions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    He reduced his own poverty by about 2 billion in 14 years.
    I thought all you right wingers for millionaires and billionaires sticking it to workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Many of your fellow Jubers are Gay/Bi Christians. All Christians do not believe Gays are bound for hell..The Church is slowly changing just like Congress and The White House.

    You won't get far stereotyping people & their Faith.
    Take it up with him, not me. He's saying I'm going to hell. He knows nothing about me except that I'm gay. He's a Christian, expressing his beliefs that gays go to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Here we go again. You CANNOT buy booze with food stamps. I'll need to see a link about the millions of illegals that get food stamps.
    You are correct. YOu can't buy booze with food stamps and you can't GET food stamps if you're an illegal immigrant. I don't even know if you can get them if you have a green card, maybe someone else would know. But I'm sure being on government aid would be a great way to lose your green card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    So much hate emanating from Pastor Springer. So much anger and frustration.
    Rings of hypocrisy Bob.

    Typical liberal answer. Evil big oil is ok and welcome if the politics are liberal and oppressive to basic human rights.

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    Rings of hypocrisy Bob.

    Typical liberal answer. Evil big oil is ok and welcome if the politics are liberal and oppressive to basic human rights.
    Mountains of hypocrisy from Father Springer.

    Typical right wing non-answer.

    Doesn't seem to bother you when right wing republicans slash funding for the poor, make women's wombs property of the State, try to legislate morality and are oppressive to basic human rights for gays.

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    ^^

    ... and yet you can't say that Chavez' company Citco is evil big oil because you agree with his political views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    ... and yet you can't say that Chavez' company Citco is evil big oil because you agree with his political views.
    If it were up to me Jack we'd be in biodiesel cars like BRAZIL or hydrogen fuel cell technology and this discussion of "whose big evil oil corporation do you like" would be a moot point.

    Actually wait-- it is a moot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    ... and yet you can't say that Chavez' company Citco is evil big oil because you agree with his political views.
    I'm surprised you're not a supporter of Chavez.

    You support criminal billionaires and those who legislate morality, known in the USA as the republican right wingers.

    And yet you wish ill of him (you wish ill of many people you disagree with, sad) and hope he's burning in hell.

    Not very christian-like Springer. Better go and count your rosary beads again. It didn't sink in the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    I'm surprised you're not a supporter of Chavez.

    You support white American criminal billionaires and those who legislate morality, known in the USA as the republican right wingers.

    And yet you wish ill of him (you wish ill of many people you disagree with, sad) and hope he's burning in hell.

    Not very christian-like Springer. Better go and count your rosary beads again. It didn't sink in the first time.
    I made the correction to explain the discrepancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    Take it up with him, not me. He's saying I'm going to hell. He knows nothing about me except that I'm gay. He's a Christian, expressing his beliefs that gays go to hell.
    But you're the one painting all Christians with the same brush on account of one person -- so you are indeed the one with whom it should be taken up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    I'm surprised you're not a supporter of Chavez.

    You support criminal billionaires and those who legislate morality, known in the USA as the republican right wingers.

    And yet you wish ill of him (you wish ill of many people you disagree with, sad) and hope he's burning in hell.

    Not very christian-like Springer. Better go and count your rosary beads again. It didn't sink in the first time.
    Still can't say evil big oil.

    More personal attacks.

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