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    Obama Administration Says It Can Kill Americans on US Soil

    Without trial or due process of law.

    So said Eric Holder in a letter to Rand Paul today.

    But only in "extraordinary circumstance," (which, apparently, is at the president's discretion).


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    Um... don't law enforcement officers already do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Um... don't law enforcement officers already do this?
    Yes, police officers are generally authorized to kill in extraordinary circumstances.

    You are going to find that most if not every local jurisdiction in the United States has a use of force continuum policy that terminates in lethal force.

    I can see, however, how this story is going to be taken out of context. The right to due process is taken to mean that extrajudicial killings are unjust. However, a terrorist with his finger on the button isn't going to hold his hands up because he wants a trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Um... don't law enforcement officers already do this?
    with a different understanding of "imminent threat."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post

    I can see, however, how this story is going to be taken out of context. The right to due process is taken to mean that extrajudicial killings are unjust. However, a terrorist with his finger on the button isn't going to hold his hands up because he wants a trial.
    This is exactly my point.

    Hmm... these forums have been acting strangely today... I can barely reply... database errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    This is exactly my point.

    Hmm... these forums have been acting strangely today... I can barely reply... database errors.
    This is some of the worst quirkiness on JUB I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Um... don't law enforcement officers already do this?
    Imminent threat to the life of the police officer or civilian in the vicinity, not to the drone.

    There is no justification for the President to authorize lethal force on an American citizen on U.S. soil without due process of law. The fact that both the President and Eric Holder are being evasive about this is inexcusable.
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    ^ Same would hold.

    If a terrorist presented an imminent threat to the safety of others, the Feds would take them out.

    The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.

    The letter concludes, "were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the president of the scope of his authority."
    I'm failing to understand the outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    This is some of the worst quirkiness on JUB I've ever seen.
    Good, then it wasn't my PC or system.
    I think these extraordinary circumstances have already happened, as stated above, and is quite OK by me.
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    Did anyone read the same letter I did? There is nothing in there saying it is ok for the President to kill Americans on American soil. There is something in there that says that there could conceivably be a situation that happens that may allow the President to use drones on American soil, but that any situation in which it could be considered would have to be reviewed for an AG opinion. Also, the letter, while mentioning drones as an example, actually asked the question about using lethal force against Americans on American soil.

    This is indeed just faux outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Did anyone read the same letter I did? There is nothing in there saying it is ok for the President to kill Americans on American soil. There is something in there that says that there could conceivably be a situation that happens that may allow the President to use drones on American soil, but that any situation in which it could be considered would have to be reviewed for an AG opinion. Also, the letter, while mentioning drones as an example, actually asked the question about using lethal force against Americans on American soil.

    This is indeed just faux outrage.
    Exactly, it described everything and it never gave approval to killing Americans on American soil. What happened here was a misinterpretation in the media... a distortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Imminent threat to the life of the police officer or civilian in the vicinity, not to the drone.

    There is no justification for the President to authorize lethal force on an American citizen on U.S. soil without due process of law. The fact that both the President and Eric Holder are being evasive about this is inexcusable.
    I agree.

    Everyone here is "justifying" this treason by claiming it would only be invoked at the point that some terrorist was about to squeeze the trigger of a gun that had some innocent person in its sights. But the question that Rand Paul asked was about drones, and that is not how drones work. They don't circle until someone's life is imminently threatened, then attack at the last minute.

    It is inexcusable that the administration (or anyone) would attempt to pursue with intent to kill an American citizen (however dangerous) without due process of law. Eric Holder is no better in this opinion than was Alberto Gonzales on just about everything. And if Obama supports this nonsense, he is no better a defender of the constitution than was George W. Bush (who infamously imprisoned people "forever" without charge or trial - just because he decided they were dangerous).
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I agree.

    Everyone here is "justifying" this treason by claiming it would only be invoked at the point that some terrorist was about to squeeze the trigger of a gun that had some innocent person in its sights. But the question that Rand Paul asked was about drones, and that is not how drones work. They don't circle until someone's life is imminently threatened, then attack at the last minute.

    It is inexcusable that the administration (or anyone) would attempt to pursue with intent to kill an American citizen (however dangerous) without due process of law. Eric Holder is no better in this opinion than was Alberto Gonzales on just about everything. And if Obama supports this nonsense, he is no better than George W. Bush on this same issue (who infamously imprisoned people "forever" without charge or trial - just because he decided they were dangerous).
    What treason? There is nothing authorized in this letter. There is no legal opinion in this letter. There is none of what you are saying in this letter. This letter accomplished EXACTLY what Paul wanted it to. It's causing paranoid people to read into it. The words in the letter speak for themselves. Anything else you read into it is nothing but your personal biases being applied to try and change the meaning of what was said.

    Here is the full letter.

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    I'm okay with this. For everyone saying this is just fine and there is no civil rights infringement just remember this when your guy isn't in in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Same would hold.

    If a terrorist presented an imminent threat to the safety of others, the Feds would take them out.



    I'm failing to understand the outrage.
    Yeah, it seems the hippies are out tonight. I don't see the outrage in this either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    What treason?
    Holder is attempting to subvert the constitution by claiming dictatorial powers not granted to the executive. His opinion is that the administration can kill any citizen at any time at its own whim.

    American citizens are protected from their government by rights which no president may violate.


    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    There is nothing authorized in this letter. There is no legal opinion in this letter. There is none of what you are saying in this letter.
    It is the highest law enforcement official in the nation, claiming that the administration is free to ignore the constitution. Presumably, since they believe the constitution does not apply to them, they intend to ignore it.


    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    This letter accomplished EXACTLY what Paul wanted it to. It's causing paranoid people to read into it.
    First, it doesn't matter what Paul wanted the letter to do. It doesn't matter how badly he wanted America to panic, or how irresponsibly he may be acting.

    Holder's words are themselves more than reason enough to panic anyone who cares about America. He is talking treason. Obama needs to fire him immediately, and issue a retraction to this nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Holder is attempting to subvert the constitution by claiming dictatorial powers not granted to the executive. His opinion is that the administration can kill any citizen at any time at its own whim.

    American citizens are protected from their government by rights which no president may violate.

    It is the highest law enforcement official in the nation, claiming that the administration is free to ignore the constitution. Presumably, since they believe the constitution does not apply to them, they intend to ignore it.

    First, it doesn't matter what Paul wanted the letter to do. It doesn't matter how badly he wanted America to panic, or how irresponsibly he may be acting.

    Holder's words are themselves more than reason enough to panic anyone who cares about America. He is talking treason. Obama needs to fire him immediately, and issue a retraction to this nonsense.
    Where? Where do this letter say any of this? Please provide a quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    It is inexcusable that the administration (or anyone) would attempt to pursue with intent to kill an American citizen (however dangerous) without due process of law.
    What if the citizen has become part of what may reasonably be assumed to constitute a hostile missile?

    When the country was attacked on the morning Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Bush was in Florida and Vice President Cheney was in a command bunker beneath the White House. Asked whether the military should shoot down an apparently hijacked plane, Mr. Cheney authorized them to do so

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    What if the citizen has become part of what may reasonably be assumed to constitute a hostile missile?
    Again, you pose the issue of imminent threat to justify the hunting down and execution of American citizens on American soil.

    Drones are not used to attack incoming missiles. They are used to kill people who have been tracked to a particular location over a period of time, as a result of intelligence.

    The point is that no president is free to hunt down Americans on American soil without due process of law. Holder's examples of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 to support his opinion that drone use to kill Americans is okay is nonsense. No drone could ever have done a thing in either of those situations. That's not how drones work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Again, you pose the issue of imminent threat to justify the hunting down and execution of American citizens on American soil.
    Well, sorry to be redundant. However, we should not assume that today’s drone technology will not be replaced with newer devices featuring greater capabilities. In any event, the question being posed is essentially a constitutional issue that is not necessarily dependent upon the mechanics of the intervention, but rather the authority to take action with intent to kill citizens within the nation’s borders. In the case of 9/11 persons on the aircraft would have been “collateral damage,” but in other “ticking bomb” situations a citizen could conceivably be the primary target and I suppose that is what causes you concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Well, sorry to be redundant. However, we should not assume that today’s drone technology will not be replaced with newer devices featuring greater capabilities. In any event, the question being posed is essentially a constitutional issue that is not necessarily dependent upon the mechanics of the intervention, but rather the authority to take action with intent to kill citizens within the nation’s borders. In the case of 9/11 persons on the aircraft would have been “collateral damage,” but in other “ticking bomb” situations a citizen could conceivably be the primary target and I suppose that is what causes you concern.
    This is exactly right.

    The letter to the AG, while mentioning drones as an example, asked the question of the use of lethal force against US citizens in America, not just limited to drones. Further, despite the best efforts of some on here, the letter was not a legal opinion nor was it a statement of policy. It was a response to a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Same would hold.

    If a terrorist presented an imminent threat to the safety of others, the Feds would take them out.



    I'm failing to understand the outrage.
    I'd agree. The outrage over this seems to amount to being similar to saying that if we'd known with detail in advance what the 9/11 hijacked planes were going to do, we should still be duty bound to try to ask them to land and face arrest rather than take military action.

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    Rand Paul posed a hypothetical question, Could the President use drones to kill an american citizen on U.S. soil?
    Holder replied yes in certain circumstances.
    That is a dangerous first step that cannot be reversed once it happens, and in the years to come.
    Many consider Bush a war criminal, Obama has kept and expanded on Bushes policys that many hate including myself.
    The next President will not give up the power Obama leaves him or (her) and more than likely expand them even further.
    Policies put in place under Obama will be given to the future Presidents, Will you excuse them when they are used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    This is exactly right.

    The letter to the AG, while mentioning drones as an example, asked the question of the use of lethal force against US citizens in America, not just limited to drones.
    At this point, I'm just gonna assume that T-Rexx is trolling. If you have committed no heinous crimes, what is there to fear?

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    Ok. Here goes:

    Dear Senator Paul:

    On February 20, 2013, you wrote to John Brennan requesting additional information
    concerning the Administration's views about whether "the President has the power to authorize
    lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial."

    As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the US. government has
    not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so. As a policy
    matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement
    authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat.
    We have a
    long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our
    country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individuals
    have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

    The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one
    we hope no President will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an
    extraordinary circumstance
    in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the
    Constitution and applicable laws of the United States
    for the President to authorize the military
    to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the President could
    conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect
    the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7,
    1941, and September 11,2001.

    Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances
    before advising the President on the scope of his authority.


    Sincerely,

    Eric H. Holder, Jr.
    Attorney General
    Unfortunately, while the response to Senator Paul was published, I am having a difficult time finding the letter that Senator Paul sent and what his verbiage was in said letter. However, as you can see in the response, there was a question about using lethal force, with drones being given as an example, against US citizens in the United States. If you read further, you will see that the AG said there is no intention to carry out drone strikes in the US and it hasn't happened in the past. He goes on to say that they look to law enforcement to handle those situations. The last bit of the letter goes on to say that there could possibly be some scenario in the future of an extraordinary scope that may allow the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the US (note that it was lethal force and not drone strikes) and that any such circumstance would have to be investigated by the AG at the time to have a legal opinion issued. Since no administration would ever say there will absolutely never be any case ever that will require the military using lethal force within the United States, I think this response said exactly what it was supposed to. It's not policy to target Americans in America, but if an extraordinary situation ever occurred in the future that may warrant or require such use of force, they reserve the right to apply the facts of the situation to the Constitutional powers granted to the government to make a legal opinion.

    So, in summary, this letter does not authorize strikes on Americans in the United States. It specifically states the opposite and says it's not the practice or intention to do so and that any circumstance that may warrant it would have to be reviewed by the AG and have a legal opinion issued. This is no different that what the current practice is and what it has been for decades spanning multiple administrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Same would hold.

    If a terrorist presented an imminent threat to the safety of others, the Feds would take them out.



    I'm failing to understand the outrage.
    The feds wouldn't take them out, they would arrest them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Same would hold.

    If a terrorist presented an imminent threat to the safety of others, the Feds would take them out.



    I'm failing to understand the outrage.
    The feds wouldn't take them out, they would arrest them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    At this point, I'm just gonna assume that T-Rexx is trolling. If you have committed no heinous crimes, what is there to fear?
    Its a subversion of due process and a gross abuse of power. It doesn't matter if they're a terrorist; if they're a citizen they're still afforded the protections guaranteed by the constitution.

    There are NO circumstances under which it is acceptable for this or any President to order the death of an American citizen that has not been tried in a court of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Its a subversion of due process and a gross abuse of power. It doesn't matter if they're a terrorist; if they're a citizen they're still afforded the protections guaranteed by the constitution.

    There are NO circumstances under which it is acceptable for this or any President to order the death of an American citizen that has not been tried in a court of law.
    That is factually incorrect. Terrorist acts and their planning place you as an enemy of the country and immediate threat to it, and your citizenship means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Its a subversion of due process and a gross abuse of power. It doesn't matter if they're a terrorist; if they're a citizen they're still afforded the protections guaranteed by the constitution.

    There are NO circumstances under which it is acceptable for this or any President to order the death of an American citizen that has not been tried in a court of law.
    That is factually incorrect. Terrorist acts and their planning place you as an enemy of the country and immediate threat to it, and your citizenship means nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That is factually incorrect. Terrorist acts and their planning place you as an enemy of the country and immediate threat to it, and your citizenship means nothing.

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    That is factually incorrect. Terrorist acts and their planning place you as an enemy of the country and immediate threat to it, and your citizenship means nothing.
    As a matter of fact, you are incorrect. The US court system has always held that American citizens, whether they're enemies of the state or not, are still protected by the constitution and guaranteed the legal protections it prescribes.

    You are arguing Eric Holder's point of view, which is that they are not. This is a new idea, and one not supported by the constitution, the courts, or any legal scholar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    As a matter of fact, you are incorrect. The US court system has always held that American citizens, whether they're enemies of the state or not, are still protected by the constitution and guaranteed the legal protections it prescribes.

    You are arguing Eric Holder's point of view, which is that they are not. This is a new idea, and one not supported by the constitution, the courts, or any legal scholar.
    So, if the pilot of one of the 9/11 planes was American, and the military had the plane on lock, they should have not shot it down because they hadn't put him on trial first?
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    I don't see the justification for this. 9-11 was almost last century. No good can come from such a prescendent, we are shredding our liberty if Obama beleives this or is running scared from the security nazis in DC.

    In the old days we had laws against blacks because they were black, now we have laws against Americans because they are American.

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    I don't see the justification for this. 9-11 was almost last century. No good can come from such a prescendent, we are shredding our liberty if Obama beleives this or is running scared from the security nazis in DC.

    In the old days we had laws against blacks because they were black, now we have laws against Americans because they are American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So, if the pilot of one of the 9/11 planes was American, and the military had the plane on lock, they should have not shot it down because they hadn't put him on trial first?
    well that didnt happen. they were international terrorists. false equivalence/ hypothetical, sorry.

    the men that do the most damage to American security are usually white men shooting minorities in this country and others, you cant necessarily trust them with more powers.

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    So, if the pilot of one of the 9/11 planes was American, and the military had the plane on lock, they should have not shot it down because they hadn't put him on trial first?
    well that didnt happen. they were international terrorists. false equivalence/ hypothetical, sorry.

    the men that do the most damage to American security are usually white men shooting minorities in this country and others, you cant necessarily trust them with more powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    As a matter of fact, you are incorrect. The US court system has always held that American citizens, whether they're enemies of the state or not, are still protected by the constitution and guaranteed the legal protections it prescribes.

    You are arguing Eric Holder's point of view, which is that they are not. This is a new idea, and one not supported by the constitution, the courts, or any legal scholar.
    That's not always the case. Lethal force is allowed to be used on citizens without due process if they pose an imminent threat to others. That is why the FBI was able to kill James Lee Dykes in Alabama before taking him to trial. That is why a police officer is able to shoot someone who pulls a gun and points it at them. And that is why if law enforcement was faced with a situation like knowing Timothy McVeigh was currently driving a van full of explosives to blow up a federal building, that they would be able to take whatever steps necessary to stop him without having to arrange a trial first.

    Your rights as a citizen extend only so far as to not infringe on the rights of others. Once you venture into that territory, your rights are no longer valid, which is why your right to free speech doesn't guarantee you the right to yell fire in a crowded theater or the right to threaten to kill someone. Consequently, your right to habeas corpus does not serve as a shield to allow you to do whatever you want to others until you are put on trial and found guilty.

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    ^Exactly. It's one of those 'feel-good' progressive theories that everyone deserves the right to a trial but the application falls flat on its face when applied to reality. Again, these are very extraordinary circumstances and lethal force is used as a last resort.

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    I think as pointed out earlier in the thread, this is people freaking out over the Federal Government basically openly stating that they would operate the same way that any police would react in a situation of imminent threat. People who start shooting at cops are most ordinarily not tackled so that they can stand trial, and there's no massive outcry over the violation of their rights as citizens as a result.

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    Holder has amended his previous statement about the drones.

    He now says the administration would NOT use drones to kill Americans on American soil.

    Dear Senator Paul,

    It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: “Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?” The answer to that question is no.

    Sincerely,

    Eric H. Holder, Jr.

    That is, of course, the correct answer.

    There are times when I think the administration reads our threads on JUB, and takes its cues from us.



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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    That is, of course, the correct answer.

    There are times when I think the administration reads our threads on JUB, and takes its cues from us.



    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ic-holder.html
    A letter of assuage and nothing more.

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    Just to make this more interesting...

    some precedent, in two pair of words:

    George Washington . . . Whiskey Rebellion.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Obama Administration Says It Can Kill Americans on US Soil

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Holder has amended his previous statement about the drones.

    He now says the administration would NOT use drones to kill Americans on American soil.




    That is, of course, the correct answer.

    There are times when I think the administration reads our threads on JUB, and takes its cues from us.



    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ic-holder.html
    And as the letter shows, he asked a specific question about drones and not a general question of lethal force, with drones being used as a possible example. Ask a straight question and get a straight answer.

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