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    Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Charles Krauthammer wrote a column in the Washington Post that exposes Pres. Obama as a man whose goal it is to inflict as much sequestration pain on the American public so that that same public, with the lacky press assisting, will blame the Republicans and turn the House back to the Dems so his no cuts/all taxes agenda can be enacted. He has NO INTEREST in curbing spending or reducing the deficit. Great piece - know you'll love it. Here's a couple of gems

    A 2011 Government Accountability Officereport gave a sampling of the vastness of what could be cut, consolidated and rationalized in Washington: 44 overlapping job training programs, 18 for nutrition assistance, 82 on teacher quality, 56 dealing with financial literacy, more than 20 for homelessness, etc. Total annual cost: $100 billion-$200 billion, about two to five times the entire domestic sequester.
    Are these on the chopping block? No sir.
    After all, the sequester is just one-half of 1 percent of GDP. It amounts to 1.4 cents on the dollar of nondefense spending, 2 cents overall.
    Because of this year’s payroll tax increase, millions of American workers have had to tighten their belts by precisely 2 percent. They found a way. Washington, spending $3.8 trillion, cannot? If so, we might as well declare bankruptcy now and save the attorneys’ fees.
    The problem with sequestration, of course, is that the cuts are across the board and do not allow money to move between accounts. It’s dumb because it doesn’t discriminate.Fine. Then change the law. That’s why we have a Congress. Discriminate. Prioritize. That’s why we have budgets. Except that the Democratic Senate hasn’t passed one in four years. And the White House, which proposed the sequester in the first place, had 18 months to establish rational priorities among accounts — and did nothing.
    When the GOP House passed an alternative that cut where the real money is — entitlement spending — President Obama threatened a veto. Meaning, he would have insisted that the sequester go into effect — the very same sequester he now tells us will bring on Armageddon



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...2df_story.html

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    *gets into wayback machine*

    Pres. Bush Using 9-11 For Political Gain

    "Mission Accomplished"


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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    ^ not sure u have actually compared the 2 moments

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    *Yawn*

    What do you expect from someone who is a contributing editor for The Weekly Standard (The Neocon Bible) and is a nightly panelist on Fox News's Special Report with Bret Baier.

    He predicted Romney would win and he was mighty wrong on that too.

    Just more right wing hating of the President of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Thanks for bringing that up, Bob. Krauthammer... here are some more gems of his perpetual bullshit:



    He put his foot in his mouth already. Try to watch this bullshit.. it starts off with bullshit and ends with it. They thought Pennsylvania was in play lol. He predicted Obama would lose the entire re-election.

    He got owned 4 days before the election.

    And watching this video... he looks like a moron who doesn't have a clue what government does. Hannity too... dumbass.

    Go to 5:25... and see his idiotic prediction. NOT even close buddy.
    LOL

    are you channeling Keith Ellison ?

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    I am not loyal to either party, but good question. Why doesn't the Senate with its Dem majority pass a budget? Tis true that Obama hung the sequester over the heads of his super budget comittee hoping to force his own appointed comittee members to find a solution, didn't work out for him. Truth is the House, Senate and Pres are all respondsible.
    They are politicians and everyone will blame everyone else.

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    ^^
    Woodward's a hack
    Krauthammer's a hack

    sense a pattern?

    did u know that Krauthammer won the Pulitzer Prize?

    course not

    carry on - but ur frothy partisanship i'm sure makes just about everyone here uncomfortable

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    How can he called such a wuss and a non-leader but yet he can come up with great schemes and diabolical plans to pull all of this off, all the while raising his huge army apparently filled with blacks and gays and muslims to take bring america to its knees, lol. Go head Obama with ya bad self!
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    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    How can he called such a wuss and a non-leader but yet he can come up with great schemes and diabolical plans to pull all of this off, all the while raising his huge army apparently filled with blacks and gays and muslims to take bring america to its knees, lol. Go head Obama with ya bad self!
    I know, one wonders how he can be such a failure to lead, spineless and "from behind" (rawr), yet be so evil, manipulative and scheming at the same time...
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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    Why doesn't the Senate with its Dem majority pass a budget?

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    The austerity caused by the sequestration is like you deciding to fill your own water bottle from the faucet instead of buying bottle water.

    You're intelligent enough to realize that a 3% cut in spending will not cause the catastrophic things that Obama has been proposing the last several weeks.

    Obama invented sequestration and was for it before he was against it.

    Maxine Water says 170 million jobs could be lost because of sequestration! Does she even know she's on the the planet earth? I doubt it.

    .. the crazy litany of losses due to sequestration continue.



    http://politics.kfyi.com/cc-common/m...ticle=11011218

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Austerity is so awesome during a recession isn't it? Some just want this country to sell its soul to corporations... more than it already has been. Sequestration falls totally on the lap of the GOP. Lets look at the facts. They refused to negotiate. They played the crying baby. Still can't handle the massive loss they had at the polls. Obama didn't want to inflict anything on the American people. The republicans did with their shitty do nothing Congress.

    They are total and absolute embarrassments to this entire country. Stop blaming the President because it's getting tiring. It's FUCKING CONGRESS. Congress WRITES THE FUCKING BILL for the President to sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    I am not loyal to either party, but good question. Why doesn't the Senate with its Dem majority pass a budget? Tis true that Obama hung the sequester over the heads of his super budget comittee hoping to force his own appointed comittee members to find a solution, didn't work out for him. Truth is the House, Senate and Pres are all respondsible.
    They are politicians and everyone will blame everyone else.
    The House has passed a budget the last 2 years. The Senate has not passed a budget in over 4 years.

    The President hasn't even provided a budget this year -- one that he is obligated to do by law. What's his problem?

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    The earth is round.

    I'm sure the logic you've used in this thread will make that a lie also.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    That doesn't make any sense... try again.



    Actually when it results in the cutting of millions from several states education budgets it will be catastrophic. Many of these states are already facing shortfalls in funding. I guess this is just one more of those inconvenient facts... but I guess we can all subscribe to the republican fantasy land crap. The cuts will be towards many federal programs, and it WILL badly affect states already facing shortfalls. Texas in particular will face a big funding cut.

    And yes, it will be catastrophic. But it's nice to see the republicans are back to their usual "oh it won't be so bad"... "it's all hype"... crock of crap.



    Nonsense.



    Nobody cares what Maxine Waters says. But keep bringing up irrelevant people.

    Have anymore talking points I need to debunk?

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    ^^^

    Your 'flatobe'.


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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    If Obama expects "political gain" from this event, it means he expects more Americans will approve of his actions and vote for him.
    Saying someone "expects political gain" is the same as saying he expects to "do the thing voters will approve of."

    I'm not sure why that is wrong in a free democracy.

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    Obama is trying to scare people -- and evidently you're buying his scare tactics.

    How will you life be permanently changed by this little cutback in government spending?

    .. and you're trying to scare me off with COC ... get a grip man.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    OH GIVE ME A BREAK.

    I see the world from several perspectives. Not from the Fox News perspective that some on here espouse like it was the bible.

    And a right winger accusing someone else of seeing the world from a flat earth perspective... that's pure irony.

    Maybe some ought to review the code of conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    If Obama expects "political gain" from this event, it means he expects more Americans will approve of his actions and vote for him.
    Saying someone "expects political gain" is the same as saying he expects to "do the thing voters will approve of."

    I'm not sure why that is wrong in a free democracy.
    I guess u didn't read the piece

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    This, from the article, needs to be highlighted again . . . it's not conservative ideas -- it's from the GAO.

    A 2011 Government Accountability Office report gave a sampling of the vastness of what could be cut, consolidated and rationalized in Washington: 44 overlapping job training programs, 18 for nutrition assistance, 82 on teacher quality, 56 dealing with financial literacy, more than 20 for homelessness, etc. Total annual cost: $100 billion-$200 billion, about two to five times the entire domestic sequester.
    The 2011 GAO document link is in the article.

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    I don't agree with the whole article, but it is true that Obama is playing some brilliant politics with this Sequestration thing.

    Let's not be delusional people. With the national budget, the Presidents budget team drafts up a budget for the government and delivers it to the Congress to act upon. The Congress usually looks through, makes some changes, adds some pork, etc and at the end of the day a budget is passed. This mess falls on both branches.

    With that being said, Congress sure is dragging it's heals along on this, and Obama is capatilizing brilliantly on the chance to ensure the Republicans continue to fail in this government. I figure let the sequestion start to go into effect and each party will come to the table truly for a talkie talk and make another temporary fix.

    One of the main problems is John Boehner. He is acting like Obama isn't on his last term. The man will be doing charity tours in a few more years and John Boehner will have destroyed his party. I know John John is still pissed how Obama played him last time by getting the tax increases he wants. And I doubt Obama is going to flinch this time either.

    It will be fun to watch it all play out. I mean, it will suck with all these people who will suddenly be struggling to pay bills and live, but that's what happens when you let politicians do what the fuck they please.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Holy fucking shit.....

    Politician are playing political games.....


    NO FUCKING SHIT
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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    It's a little (lot) more than that

    But u know that

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    ^ u think the GOP doesn't want to reduce entitlements ?

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Politically Krauthammer's comments are a Non sequitur.

    Republicans have been dragging their feet between the 2010 mid terms, and the 2012 POTUS elections hoping that by doing nothing that they might get some political traction on Obama.

    Nothing has changed.

    Even the 2012 Elections pretty much left all of the "players" intact.

    I don't know though.

    As much as Obama has been harping about the sequestration, and how it's going to "cut government spending" it seems like the Republicans are going to get what they want (less government), and the American Public seems to think (for now) that could be a good thing.

    I've been listening to NPR over the past couple of days, and their analysts have been talking about how bad this is going to hurt middle class Americans, and what they've been pointing out is that the current Federal Budget IS BLOATED.

    Personally?

    For me, when this shit starts getting political is (if and when) the Obama Administration starts agreeing to cuts that will MOST DIRECTLY affect Middle Class Americans, and THEN trying to blame that on Republicans.

    Either way I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them; and what passes for "leadership"(on both sides) in Washington these days.

    I'm more than certain that Charles Krauthammer isn't going to experience any real reality any time soon, and considering who his employers are he'll keep doing what he does, and the partisans will continue to snipe at each other if for no other reason than to add to the sense of theater.

    None of which addresses anything of any real value.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    I hate to sound like a broken record, but if the childish Democrats had gotten their butts to the polls in Nov. 2010, perhaps all of this bullshit wouldn't be happening now. I know. You wanted to teach Obama a lesson. Congratulations! Go teabag yourselves.

    Meanwhile:

    Okay Barry. Let's see that birth certificate. Why do you insist on murdering babies?

    "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - 1 Corinthians 13:11 .

    Hey all you true believers... why don't you do the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The right wingers have failed at explaining the whole story.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...spending-cuts/



    They only will look at this year, but do not look at the bigger picture and the long term consequences of these cuts. Thousands of teaching jobs could now be at risk. I guess creating a society full of dopes is optimal for the GOP.
    Where's the budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I guess u didn't read the piece

    I just don't accept the premise of the piece. There is no intelligence in saying "Well if people have to cut back, so does the government." Because what that statement really means is "Well if people have to cut back, so do The People."

    Americans would cheer if Walmart, Exxon, Apple, GM and GE grew their revenue and hired people. But if the government grows its revenue and hires people, it's like the sky is falling in or Martians are attacking or something. Americans would worry about a double-dip recession if Walmart, Exxon, Apple, GM and GE started laying off staff; they'd know something was wrong. But if the government started laying people off and cutting their wages, they'd act as though they'd just won WWII again.

    To address the question head-on, Americans should hope for bigger government. Americans should hope that 30 years from now, government will hire more people, pay more, and do more than it does now. Just like they hope the rest of the economy will hire more people, pay more, and do more than it does now.

    The government is not the opposite of the economy. The government is part of the economy. The government is part of the economy that should also grow. And yes, the Bureau of Useless Government Forms should be eliminated. But probably so should the Microsoft Windows 8 Team. And once that's done, both the government and Microsoft can hire more people than they ever did before to put to work on worthwhile projects.

    I can't tell you how maddening it is to hear people whining about "the size of government." Particularly when they get the answer wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Holy fucking shit.....

    Politician are playing political games.....


    NO FUCKING SHIT
    It's much worse than that!

    Right wing talking heads, pundits, editorial writers, and Pulitzer Prize winners are acting like they and the partisans that they support have NEVER done such a thing!



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    ^ yeah the prob is Charles k

    Not the guy in charge

    Wake up

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    It's a little (lot) more than that

    But u know that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ...was for it before he was against it.
    So why aren't Republicans loving him. That sounds right up their alley..
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ u think the GOP doesn't want to reduce entitlements ?
    Please observe this clip from The Gospel According to St. Ronald:



    P.S. To all Republicons... keep your cotton pickin' hands off our Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which for umpteenth time are not entitlements.

    *he genuflects*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So why aren't Republicans loving him. That sounds right up their alley..
    It'd be nice but wildly unrealistic to see u contribute something here

    Step 1 is to read the article

    We'll wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Where's the budget?
    Up Boner's ass.
    Please Google, "jobs, jobs, jobs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    It'd be nice but wildly unrealistic to see u contribute something here

    Step 1 is to read the article

    We'll wait
    And while we're waiting:








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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The President doesn't write laws... unless the right wing wants a dictator and that seems to be what they want.
    One can only hope.

    All you true believers... please consult Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution under "separation of powers."
    Last edited by chrisrobin; March 1st, 2013 at 10:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    And while we're waiting:








    Finally a good post from you

    With value and clarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh forget that... why don't we just do what the Roman Republic did? Declare a dictatorship for a while so one man can just pass sweeping laws... nevermind that eventually did fall into total dictatorship lol.

    The moment anyone says "the President isn't passing a budget!"... fine point! We should just declare a dictatorship and abolish Congress for a while. And he can pass a budget overnight without any approval of any legislative body! Then the President can pass a budget!!!!
    We're already doing that.

    SCOTUS (and Mitt Romney) have already declared "Corporations are people too..."

    Fox News and MSNBC (and their pundits) are just the clowns playing MC to "the show."
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    We're already doing that.

    SCOTUS (and Mitt Romney) have already declared "Corporations are people too..."

    Fox News and MSNBC (and their pundits) are just the clowns playing MC to "the show."
    I'm all for electing a Sith Lord, Emperor of the US Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    It'd be nice but wildly unrealistic to see u contribute something here

    Step 1 is to read the article

    We'll wait
    You should try and show me some time what it looks like to contribute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post

    Okay then why all this trouble with Congress?
    Obama should just abolish Congress for a year, and declare a dictatorship. Lol... I think Bush said something about a dictatorship being easier lol.
    Honestly?

    You're not going to like my answer.

    It's a question of "leadership."

    Bush43 won the White House in 2000 by a SCOTUS decision, perhaps you've heard of it Bush V Gore.

    But he "lead" like he had a "mandate" from the American Public, and with a GOP Majority in both the House AND the Senate they ran up one of the largest national deficits, and the largest consolidation of POWER since FDR.

    Can you say Iraq, Afghanistan (The Department of Homeland Security)?

    Obama gets elected by a clear majority of the American populace in 2008, and the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, and by the 2010 Mid Terms Obama had already "lost the narrative" and we're already a month into Obama's second term and the GOP are still controlling the narrative.

    Rather than demanding MORE leadership, our corporate controlled legislators (both parties) are playing the "blame game" and my fellow Americans are playing right along.
    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    increasing the SS tax cap would be a good start... we should probably raise the retirement age given how the average life expectancy has increased (61.7 when social security was first enacted, compared to 78 today) and enact means testing for SS and Medicare both, but it's not anything I hear a lot of politicians talking about lest they get branded as wanting to force grandma to eat cat food.
    Guessing you're at or below the cap ?

    Thanks but no

    Just another tax

    Raising the age I get

    And I get means testing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You should try and show me some time what it looks like to contribute.
    I'm into helping those who help themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Up Boner's ass.
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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Why don't the republicans come to the table and negotiate? And lets not skirt the reality here... this falls on the Congress. They are the ones who write the bills. Not the President. The House of Representatives is one of the most out of touch and unpopular as far as polls goes... but I guess the blame always falls on the President lol? Is he a dictator now?
    Sequestration was written by the Obama administration. Specifically, by Jack Lew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Sequestration was written by the Obama administration. Specifically, by Jack Lew.
    To avoid a government shutdown. One should also note it was agreed to by Republicians who made it a point to gloat about how they got 98% of what they wanted with this deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    To avoid a government shutdown. One should also note it was agreed to by Republicians who made it a point to gloat about how they got 98% of what they wanted with this deal.
    It doesn't matter why it was written. Supporters cannot claim the White House had no involvement with this when it was their idea in the first place.

    Both sides are to blame for the fact that it actually took effect.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Here we go again. Have anymore strawman arguments for us to devour?

    The problem in this country is Congress (specifically the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)... where laws are written. The President doesn't write laws... unless the right wing wants a dictator and that seems to be what they want.

    Where's the budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Perhaps so, but that doesn't matter. Congress refused to talk about introducing measures to prevent it from happening. It was part of a prior deal anyways.
    Where's the budget?

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    Sequestration was a suicide pact between the two parties so to try to blame the Republicans shows your own idiocy of politics.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Sequestration was written by the Obama administration. Specifically, by Jack Lew.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    To avoid a government shutdown. One should also note it was agreed to by Republicians who made it a point to gloat about how they got 98% of what they wanted with this deal.
    It wasn't just agreed to by the Republicans; Boehner put more effort into getting the House to pass it than he's put into anything else during his time as a hostage of the Tea Party Speaker of the House.

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    Obama's playing it for political gain... and Boehner is, too, in spades.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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