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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Politically Krauthammer's comments are a Non sequitur.

    Republicans have been dragging their feet between the 2010 mid terms, and the 2012 POTUS elections hoping that by doing nothing that they might get some political traction on Obama.

    Nothing has changed.

    Even the 2012 Elections pretty much left all of the "players" intact.

    I don't know though.

    As much as Obama has been harping about the sequestration, and how it's going to "cut government spending" it seems like the Republicans are going to get what they want (less government), and the American Public seems to think (for now) that could be a good thing.

    I've been listening to NPR over the past couple of days, and their analysts have been talking about how bad this is going to hurt middle class Americans, and what they've been pointing out is that the current Federal Budget IS BLOATED.

    Personally?

    For me, when this shit starts getting political is (if and when) the Obama Administration starts agreeing to cuts that will MOST DIRECTLY affect Middle Class Americans, and THEN trying to blame that on Republicans.

    Either way I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them; and what passes for "leadership"(on both sides) in Washington these days.

    I'm more than certain that Charles Krauthammer isn't going to experience any real reality any time soon, and considering who his employers are he'll keep doing what he does, and the partisans will continue to snipe at each other if for no other reason than to add to the sense of theater.

    None of which addresses anything of any real value.

    (My apologies if the complete sentences and punctuation confused anyone here)
    Honestly, I think this is the only way forward. Republicans would happily play word games and do nothing for four more years. Democrats are no better. However what we need is a path forward instead of stagnation. This will actually kick America in the balls.

    What I will find particularly interesting will be how the public reacts. Once all of these red states start losing their federal government welfare. The blue states will hurt no doubt. However by far and wide they can afford and are willing to fund their own programs should the federal government falter. So to me the interesting part is how american will react. What will catch their sound bite fancy? Will it go on long enough to actually be painful?

    These questions and many more on the next episode of what Fox news comes up with next??? lol (p.s. you could replace that with MSNBC as well)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Where's the budget?

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    Where's the budget?

    Published on the internet, offered many times, obstructed by morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh I know politics quite well. Republicans refused to come to the table and negotiate. These cuts did not have to happen. I'm sure they'll come up with something else to make up for it in the next few weeks anyways, as well as addressing the more serious impending budget issue.
    Republicans have been coming to the table. All week in fact. The problem is neither side is willing to budge, so the meetings are incredibly short and a waste of time. The House and Senate attempt to pass bills they know won't pass to look like they are doing anything.

    Until the President and the Congress are willing to compromise, nothing will happen. No matter if they come to the table or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Published on the internet, offered many times, obstructed by morons.
    Obama has presented his budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Honestly, I think this is the only way forward. Republicans would happily play word games and do nothing for four more years. Democrats are no better. However what we need is a path forward instead of stagnation. This will actually kick America in the balls.

    What I will find particularly interesting will be how the public reacts. Once all of these red states start losing their federal government welfare. The blue states will hurt no doubt. However by far and wide they can afford and are willing to fund their own programs should the federal government falter. So to me the interesting part is how american will react. What will catch their sound bite fancy? Will it go on long enough to actually be painful?
    And if it gets too painful, will a demagogue rise to power?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama has presented his budget?
    Multiple times...

    Obama unveils $3.8 trillion budget - Feb 1st 2010

    President Obama’s 2013 Budget Revealed: A Look at the Tax Details (Also Included: A Comprehensive Comparison of the Obama/Gingrich/Romney Tax Proposals)

    Multiple times... that is all the time I have to Google search for you Jack... try it out... these search engine thingys do miraculous things.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And if it gets too painful, will a demagogue rise to power?
    Not hardly. The people don't have that much will anymore. Not to make a conserted effort. Republicans are already getting hours of angry phone calls from their constituents ... This is going to be another power play that Obama will win.

    You see in May the country stops having a budget. SO if republicans go nuclear on the closing of tax loopholes versus entitlement cuts, then Obama can just continue the same message power, and then when the government shuts down the Republicans in the house will go the way of Newt Gingrich's bunch of phonies during the Clinton years.

    Their turkey is cooked and republicans know it. They just keep trying every message they can to put this on Obama. I don't think it will work. Four years of obstructions leaves a long memory. Plus you have republicans on the air in recent weeks saying sequester will be okay... it is no big deal... don't worry about it.... as things go sour Americans will remember that because Obama is going to play it ad nauseum .. AND while Americans suffer they get paid. That will not play well.

    Many folks told Obama during his run up to Term # 2 that he needs to be more agressive and get his message out there.

    Stand by for heavy rolls.
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    Good attempt at spin JH. Your link is from 2012.

    Obama has NOT presented his budget to Congress as required by law. The deadline is the first Monday of February.

    So far he has met the budget deadline one time.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    I think Jayhawk is right to a point. Neither side has skin in this game atm. People thought the congressional approval rating couldn't get any worse well, zero hasn't been reached yet...

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    Jack what you don't get is nobody is listening to you or your obstructionist bullshit. By you I mean you and that ignorant bunch of gay hating fucking closet queens you call a political party.

    This is a game now and the rules that have been violated by every president since they made a fucking deadline really doesn't play. Tell the unemployed, and those residually affected by it that republicans are good and Obama just didn't do his budget. It wont play sweets.

    People are going to side with spending that helps them and they will be making their decisions while listening to republicans played over and over and over saying it was a good idea to cut their jobs.
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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And if it gets too painful, will a demagogue rise to power?
    No, no, no, no, no! How many times do we have to say it? No more Kenyans, no Mexicans, no Chinese and certainly no Demagogues! Only a natural-born, USA American citizen can be President!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Perhaps so, but that doesn't matter. Congress refused to talk about introducing measures to prevent it from happening. It was part of a prior deal anyways.
    No. The republicans refused to talk about it when the president asked for another tax increase. The republicans already told him when they passed their last continuing resolution that he would not get any new tax revenues beyond what they already approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    By coming to the table, I mean coming with a workable compromise. Not that nonsense they have been coming up with. Republicans need to concede more because the American rejected them at the polls... it's time they admit defeat again and agree to what the democrats are demanding.
    None of them were interested in compromise. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever that another increase in taxes needed to be a part of the sequestration negotiations. If they were actually interested in compromising, none of that would have ever been on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    No. The republicans refused to talk about it when the president asked for another tax increase. The republicans already told him when they passed their last continuing resolution that he would not get any new tax revenues beyond what they already approved.
    hence woodward's "changing the goal posts" comment which has the obama admin up in arms

    attacking him personally for having the gall to write this fact

    axelrod tried to refute him on MJ this week but came off like the lying weasel he is

    woodward has no ax to grind - he's an equal opportunity journalist who has no "side"

    while axelrod is bought and paid for by you know who

    no more taxes is the deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What the republicans have proposed is grossly inadequate and there should be further tax increases on the rich. That's pretty much my position on it. There was a compromise. Republicans should have admitted total defeat and went with it.
    why don't u stop typing and READ

    Obama agreed to no more taxes

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What the republicans have proposed is grossly inadequate and there should be further tax increases on the rich. That's pretty much my position on it. There was a compromise. Republicans should have admitted total defeat and went with it.
    There was not ever a compromise on the table. We've already had the biggest tax increase in American history, and it was a deal that was forged specifically to avoid the inclusion of any taxes in sequestration. Any offer that included it was DOA, which the president has known for several months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There was not ever a compromise on the table. We've already had the biggest tax increase in American history, and it was a deal that was forged specifically to avoid the inclusion of any taxes in sequestration. Any offer that included it was DOA, which the president has known for several months.
    The President won't get his way on more new taxes IMO. I think the republicans are willing to let the government shut down then agree to anymore new taxes. I think Obama will most likely falter first before both parties come to the table. Even then, nothing real good is going to happen.

    I really want to like Obama more, but I don't see him handling this budget situation very well sadly.

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    Special Note to JH and GianCarloC -- This is 2013 NOT 2012

    So that you can get acquainted with the US budget process ... here is a primer ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...budget_process

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Obama isn't the one writing budgets. It's up to Congress to come up with them. Nice try on the spin. And is there any proof that he's required to do so by law? I've seen that claim float around, but have yet to see any proof for it.

    Such a weak attempt... come up with better material please.

    Edit: BY the way, Obama has presented something to Congress:

    http://double-taxation.com/2012/02/1...e-tax-details/

    Read this link again. First paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Special Note to JH and GianCarloC -- This is 2013 NOT 2012

    So that you can get acquainted with the US budget process ... here is a primer ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...budget_process
    Um dude, the Presdient has submitted his budget for Fiscal Year 2013. The link to read it is right here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There was not ever a compromise on the table. We've already had the biggest tax increase in American history, and it was a deal that was forged specifically to avoid the inclusion of any taxes in sequestration. Any offer that included it was DOA, which the president has known for several months.

    I find this claim beyond credibility considering that part of what was in discussion was simply the disagreement over the continuance of unsustainable Bush era tax cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There was not ever a compromise on the table. We've already had the biggest tax increase in American history, and it was a deal that was forged specifically to avoid the inclusion of any taxes in sequestration. Any offer that included it was DOA, which the president has known for several months.
    This is just nonsense.

    To claim that the end of some of the temporary tax cuts implemented by GWB is the "biggest tax increase in history" is laughable. The Bush tax cuts were never intended to be permanent, from the moment they were first proposed. That's why they had an expiration date attached to them when they were originally passed.

    And there was never any intention or discussion or agreement that letting the cuts expire precluded resolving sequestration in part with tax reform. That idea was just invented this past week by John Boehner. President Obama has advocated letting the Bush tax cuts expire since before he entered office. To claim that the president's partial success on tax reform policy which preceded sequestration prevents further negotiation on sequestration is just absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There was not ever a compromise on the table. We've already had the biggest tax increase in American history, and it was a deal that was forged specifically to avoid the inclusion of any taxes in sequestration. Any offer that included it was DOA, which the president has known for several months.
    You're sounding like Rush Limbaugh.

    The biggest tax increase in history was under Ronald Reagan in 1982.

    http://www.democraticwhip.gov/conten...an-not-preside

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/big...se-in-history/

    Allowing the irresponsible Bush tax cuts to expire was not increasing taxes. As T-Rexx said, they were never meant to be permanent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    This is just nonsense.

    To claim that the end of some of the temporary tax cuts implemented by GWB is the "biggest tax increase in history" is laughable. The Bush tax cuts were never intended to be permanent, from the moment they were first proposed. That's why they had an expiration date attached to them when they were originally passed.

    And there was never any intention or discussion or agreement that letting the cuts expire precluded resolving sequestration in part with tax reform. That idea was just invented this past week by John Boehner. President Obama has advocated letting the Bush tax cuts expire since before he entered office. To claim that the president's partial success on tax reform policy which preceded sequestration prevents further negotiation on sequestration is just absurd.
    You are absolutely correct. However, I'm sure it was always the Republican plan to get these tax cuts in on the presumption that then they'd be very difficult/unpopular to not make permanent. And here we see the proof of that, Republicans who view the end of these unsustainable tax vacations as a "tax increase." Obviously many fully viewed and regarded them as permanent in all but formality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    He has NO INTEREST in curbing spending or reducing the deficit.
    Oh look Chance has posted something that's incorrect, wrong, a lie. Imagine that!
    Don't feel bad because not many get the question right. Then there are people like you who really don't know but toot your gossip horn leading to more incorrect information moving further.
    Obama has not spiraled or ballooned the deficit. It has fallen every yr since 2009, not stayed the same but is decreasing.
    This message is smothered by "The Big lie" thug machine and a lack luster low information populous who can't do a little research because they will miss 5 minutes of the walking dead.











    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...2df_story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    None of them were interested in compromise. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever that another increase in taxes needed to be a part of the sequestration negotiations. If they were actually interested in compromising, none of that would have ever been on the table.
    If that's so, there's absolutely no reason that spending cuts should have been a part of the sequestration negotiations.

    For that matter, there would be no reason that congresscritters should have been part of the sequestration negotiations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    There was not ever a compromise on the table. We've already had the biggest tax increase in American history, and it was a deal that was forged specifically to avoid the inclusion of any taxes in sequestration. Any offer that included it was DOA, which the president has known for several months.
    The biggest tax increase in American history was the Revenue Act of 1951, passed because the previous largest tax increase in American history, the Revenue Act of 1950, didn't garner enough revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    The President won't get his way on more new taxes IMO. I think the republicans are willing to let the government shut down then agree to anymore new taxes. I think Obama will most likely falter first before both parties come to the table. Even then, nothing real good is going to happen.

    I really want to like Obama more, but I don't see him handling this budget situation very well sadly.
    He really ought to walk into the next negotiating session with members of Congress flipping a $1tn coin in the air.

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    Re: Pres Obama Using Sequestration For Political Gain

    Last I looked - our national debt is $17T - when The President took office it was $11T

    my simple math (more of an english guy as u know) that's $6T ADDED

    GWB took a full 8 years to add $5T

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    someone's cotton pickin' hands is going to have to touch them eventually, they're not sustainable without reform.

    and yes, they're entitlement programs and are broadly referred to as such by just about everyone.



    I'd think that basic demographics and falling birthrates ensure the insolvency of Social Security without reform/change, but the sequestor's only about a small fraction of non-entitlement spending, which is why I'm rolling my eyes when the GOP talks about this like it's key to solving our fiscal future.



    but, er... back on topic.
    Hmm I always thought it was called social security insurance, and this covers Medicare. Medicaid is not a social security insurance program.
    So if everyone is calling social security insurance a entitlement I would assume that everyone calls State Farm auto insurance or United Healthcare medical insurance a entitlement too?


    You are not entitled to Social Security if you and your employer didn't pay into it. The exclusions would be if a legal guardian, or legally married spouse is the beneficiary to a payee who has died.
    No matter what you think you are not currently entitled to Medicare if you didn't pay into the system. Medicaid may assist in payments but Medicaid is a welfare program or a entitlement for US citizens.

    Do not confuse Social security with SS supplemental which is a welfare program.

    Yes there are people working in the USA who don't or didn't pay into Social Security such as civil service employees that are still in the work force, though they do pay medicare portion since 1984.

    While you have some valid points about reform or problems with the current system. As usual with your post only mention "the big lie" thug party POV, but fail to bring up that stagnant wages or more to the point declining wages also mean less taxable income. A welder making $18.50 a hr in 1995 is lucky to find a job for $12.75 a hr in 2013 in my region.
    A construction concrete carpenter making $21.00 hr with OT in 2000 is lucky to be driving a school bus part time for $10.00 a hr in Las Vegas in 2013.
    Pretty much you could use any income for numerous jobs and they are not paying what they used to for the masses. A $8.25 hr wage working 25 hrs a wk at wal-mart for 5 yrs isn't increasing the revenue to the system. You walk in the door at 8 bills a hr and 10 yrs later you are about where you started in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Last I looked - our national debt is $17T - when The President took office it was $11T

    my simple math (more of an english guy as u know) that's $6T ADDED

    GWB took a full 8 years to add $5T

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    u no, meyb not such en english guy after all...

    I have a new concept for you. I like to call it economic process. It's that weird thing where something that has been started at point A, still exists and works through points B and C. The Obama administration is STILL dealing with the evisceration of the economy Bush did. With the Stalin Congress preventing any action, I would say "ONLY 6T? Phew". Of course, you see every situation in pure vacuum, completely divorced from anything that may have led to it. That's how the world works after all - nothing follows from anything else, it just happens spontaneously, it's all in the now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Last I looked - our national debt is $17T - when The President took office it was $11T

    my simple math (more of an english guy as u know) that's $6T ADDED

    GWB took a full 8 years to add $5T

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    Since you're really good at math, how much of that $6 trillion that was added was as a result of the previous administration's holdovers? That's how the national debt works you know. You don't just pay a couple billion up front and then are done with it. Policies instituted by one administration can easily carry over 2 or 3 administrations down the road, if not more. It also gets more expensive each year due to inflation. So while it may cost me $15,000 per soldier to fight a war one year, it will costs me $20,000 in 3 years to pay for that same soldier to be in theater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Since you're really good at math, how much of that $6 trillion that was added was as a result of the previous administration's holdovers? That's how the national debt works you know. You don't just pay a couple billion up front and then are done with it. Policies instituted by one administration can easily carry over 2 or 3 administrations down the road, if not more. It also gets more expensive each year due to inflation. So while it may cost me $15,000 per soldier to fight a war one year, it will costs me $20,000 in 3 years to pay for that same soldier to be in theater.
    No, no, no, that's just Obama apologetic! In truth, NOTHING that's ever happened before his administration counts. It's been four whole years (imagine Manila Luzon voice), so clearly we should've had a clean slate by now, the Stalin Congress notwithstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolyo85 View Post
    no, no, no, that's just obama apologetic! In truth, nothing that's ever happened before his administration counts. It's been four whole years (imagine manila luzon voice), so clearly we should've had a clean slate by now, the stalin congress notwithstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    According to some on here, the Bush administration never happened and we are not allowed to talk about the Bush administration. Everything is Obama's fault. EVERYTHING!

    Never mind that most of the debt added was because of the two failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... and by Bush's tax cuts... so I would hope some on here would cut the bullshit Obama attacks.
    That's exactly the ruleset. "If you blame anything, however much it IS ACTUALLY TO BLAME, on the Bush Administration, you're just doing apologism for Obama's poor leadership."

    Granted, if I were them, I'd want everyone else to pretend like the 8 Bush years didn't happen too, but that doesn't change the fact that we are living with the fallout of his fiscal and war policies to this day, and likely will be for administrations to come.

    The fact that Bush did his spending largely off the budget like a credit card and pawned it off as the next President's problem is fact. The fact that Obama is President now doesn't mean that debt is to blame on Democrats, even though that's the history being rewritten here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    The fact that Bush did his spending largely off the budget like a credit card and pawned it off as the next President's problem is fact. The fact that Obama is President now doesn't mean that debt is to blame on Democrats, even though that's the history being rewritten here.
    A fact quickly forgotten by those who like to throw around figures when talking about budgets under Bush.

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    Where were all these deficit hawks when Reagan and Bush doubled and quadrupled it?

    Where were the howls of protest when war criminal Cheney said deficits don't matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Um dude, the Presdient has submitted his budget for Fiscal Year 2013. The link to read it is right here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview
    Dude. You're in the same time warp as JH and GiancarloC. The 2013 budget is the budget for 2012 to 2013.

    The budget the President was supposed to propose in February is for 2013 to 2014.

    Maybe this explains a lot. If liberals can't get the year correct maybe they can't add and subtract either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Dude. You're in the same time warp as JH, and GiancarloC. The 2013 budget is the budget for 2012 to 2013.

    The budget the President was supposed to propose in February is for 2013 to 2014.

    Maybe this explains a lot. If liberals can't get the year correct maybe they can't add and subtract either.
    Using this logic, Republicans are unable to tell what number is a minority after an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    more of an english guy as u know
    No, I didn't know!

    I thought English guys used capitalization and punctuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    The fact that Bush did his spending largely off the budget like a credit card and pawned it off as the next President's problem is fact. The fact that Obama is President now doesn't mean that debt is to blame on Democrats, even though that's the history being rewritten here.
    This is a good point in counter to those who lie about Obama not having a budget: however much you may not like Obama's budgets, at least they're honest.

    Well, as honest as any since LBJ started fudging the figures by counting Social Security in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    If that's so, there's absolutely no reason that spending cuts should have been a part of the sequestration negotiations.

    For that matter, there would be no reason that congresscritters should have been part of the sequestration negotiations.
    I agree with that. The negotiations should have gone something like 'Do you want these cuts? No? Well we're done then.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The biggest tax increase in American history was the Revenue Act of 1951, passed because the previous largest tax increase in American history, the Revenue Act of 1950, didn't garner enough revenue.
    Didn't clarify what I meant by biggest. Didn't mean dollar wise, meant breadth of who it affected. (which, in the case of the payroll tax holiday, was everybody)

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    The article that you and Jayhawk quoted is talking about last year's budget -- not the budget for the coming year. The article is from 2012.

    I don't know anyway to make this any simpler for you to understand.

    The US President presents a budget to Congress and Congress acts on it or comes up with one of it's own.


    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Read it again.

    And once again, some have said the President has only passed one budget. But it isn't up to the President to pass budgets. He can only submit suggestions. Now if one is suggesting we become a dictatorship and the President gets whatever he wants... that'll be a different story. But this isn't a country with Kings and Queens, or strongmen... this is a country where the budget is for the most part formulated in the legislative process.

    Shall I post what the legislative process is? Shall I go through the details? I am in no fucking time warp.

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    Why not just admit you were wrong?

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    I think Loki has summed it up quite nicely.

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    Partially. Obama has not submitted a budget this year.

    The article that JH and GC was a 2012 article -- not 2013. I don't understand why neither one can admit they were wrong.

    Another fact -- the US hasn't had a budget for years -- they just pass spending bills -- and that is not a republican problem.

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    Obama Fiscal 2014 Budget Said to Be Delayed Until March

    Republicans seize on Obama's blown 2014 budget deadline


    President Obama’s Missed Budget Deadlines
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    The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires the President to submit his budget request for the upcoming fiscal year no later than the first Monday of February.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The House website cannot be trusted. Deadlines are often not met in the legislative process. There are other more pressing matters. The morons in the House will of course say that... saying it is an "unprecedented disrespect for the law". The act isn't binding and hasn't always been met historically. I didn't expect any less from the obstructionists in the House. And budgets still come from Congressional Committees. The blueprint the President submits is merely a suggestion.
    A suggestion they have yet to follow. Demanding a budget just so they can throw it in the trash publicly gets nothing accomplished and has been characteristic of the Republicans in Congress since Obama was elected in 2008.

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    IIRC, he has the option of informing Congress it will be submitted late, along with the reason why.

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    IIRC, he has the option of informing Congress it will be submitted late, along with the reason why.
    I don’t see it.


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