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    Definition-Bending

    I know some people think they can change meanings.

    Hipsters and the artistic think they're above the rules of normal men but what is this new fashion I see in CE&P which saysó

    Irish people are 'not white'

    Italian people are 'not white'




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    Yeah, just like Black people are 'not black'

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    You took this directly from a CE&P discussion and if you felt like discussing it in the thread it came up in, you should have posted there.

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Cowards don't discuss. They snipe and run away
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...you should have posted there.
    Don't the intellectual elite want to share their ideas with the proletariat?

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    No, we totes do. It's just that it's considered good manners to carry one conversation in one topic, not post each new reply in a new thread ^_^
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    They're saying these Irish people aren't white




    The intellectual elite bend any meaning to meet their intellectual conceit


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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Who's they? And where have "they" said that? Quotes, links and context or stfu and gtfo
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    Roly, you are the intellectual elite.

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    They're saying these Irish people aren't white




    The intellectual elite bend any meaning to meet their intellectual conceit

    No we aren't. We discussed the historical fact that Irish were classified as non-white officially and socially in American history, and you are presenting that point out of its context in direct response to that discussion, except you ran away to another forum to do it in a new thread and presented it in an intentionally context-omitted manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Roly, you are the intellectual elite.
    I know. And I'm quite comfortable with it ^_^

    You, meanwhile, seem incapable of even sustaining your own troll attacks, let alone go beyond that. So I repeat - quotes, links and context or stfu and gtfo. I expect you'll pick option 2, as usual
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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ....the historical fact that Irish were classified as non-white officially...
    That's not a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    ... Quotes, links ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    That's not a fact.
    Yes it is, and the discussion from which you lifted this one point and ran away to troll with it in Hot Topics provided links discussing that historical context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I know. And I'm quite comfortable with it ^_^ ...
    I laughed at how you attacked Kayman

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    You laugh when people get attacked? That's mean :/
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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Yes it is,...
    Are the Bulgarians equally as non-white as the Irish and the Italians?

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    I don't know. What do eugenics say on the subject?
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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Are the Bulgarians equally as non-white as the Irish and the Italians?
    Go to CE&P and ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BustinJeiber View Post
    Yeah, just like Black people are 'not black'
    Bustin. Artists and the intellectual elite don't follow other people's rules

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    I suppose the intellectual elite would judge the southern Italians to be more non-white than the Northern Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I suppose the intellectual elite would judge the southern Italians to be more non-white than the Northern Italians.
    As someone who clearly doesn't belong to the intellectual elite, trying to make suppositions seems an exercise in futility, no?


    I am LOVING how you're using the term "intellectual elite" as if it's an insult, and not an honor.

    By the way, you are American, living in America. Just as an fyi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    ....I am LOVING how you're using the term "intellectual elite" as if it's an insult, and not an honor....
    The Communist pigs considered themselves as the elite of the Communist Animal Farm.



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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Whatever gets your prole pride aroused, Pat ^_^ Hate on those librul elites, keep posting Republican speech, snide innuendos and cowardly attacks from the side. You do nothing but boost my ego
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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    ...You do nothing but boost my ego
    Some pigs are 'more equal' than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I laughed at how you attacked Kayman
    I laughed at how Roylo attacked you. Now go back to SeaWorld, Flipper, this topic is clearly not for your kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Some pigs are 'more equal' than others.
    Your ability to misquote George Orwell is dazzling and totally proves all your points now, retroactively, and for the end of time!
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    Re: Definition-Bending

    I can't believe this. Irish people are not white and Italians are not white??? Don't tell me Asians are not white either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    ..this topic is clearly not for your kind.
    Do you say Irish people and Italian people are not white, Vitamin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you say Irish people and Italian people are not white, Vitamin.
    Does... anyone? I'm still waiting for my quotes and links here, sugarplum
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you say Irish people and Italian people are not white, Vitamin.
    The discussion was about 1920's American social attitudes which were virulently anti-immigrant, in particular against, but not limited to, the Irish and Italians. Irish were commonly referred to as "white negroes" during this time period.

    You taking that discussion and running up here and saying "down in CE&P THEY SAY IRISH AREN'T WHITE!" is a failure of reading comprehension on such a magnitude that it's very obvious you're misrepresenting the discussion on purpose for your usual 60 IQ trolling attempts.

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    By the way, you are American, living in America. Just as an fyi
    Actually, I believe Pat is a sheepshagger living out in Perth, WA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Actually, I believe Pat is a sheepshagger living out in Perth, WA.

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    I know the official version. I also know it doesn't match the other "Pat Grimshaws" found online, despite their very similar opinions, as well as his vocabulary on here, which is way too specific in its targets.
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    Re: Definition-Bending

    You know Grimshaw.

    Every time I read one of your threads and see how far stupid can go...I'm delighted to be part of the intellectual elite.

    I'm not sure you know this, but at one time Irish Catholics, Ashkenazi Jews, Bulgarians, Sicilians and a host of other European and all non-aryan groups were actually not considered to be 'white' in North America. Or in Germany for some of them.

    Surprised?

    You shouldn't be.

    If you even had half a clue or understood any history outside the shores of your own penal paradise, you'd understand that your skin colour isn't always what the Aryan Nation and their ancestors are judging 'whiteness' by.

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    I've got Irish heritage and I'm so white I glow in the bloody dark.

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Actually, I believe Pat is a sheepshagger living out in Perth, WA.

    -d-
    Australian's don't shag sheep, that's Kiwi's

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    I've got Irish heritage and I'm so white I glow in the bloody dark.
    Whiteness was never defined by skin tone alone in the U.S. At a time when whiteness was a requirement for naturalization, Japanese of pale complexion challenged the courts for inclusion into whiteness and were rejected on the basis that they weren't part of the "caucasian race." So East Indians challenged the courts for inclusion into whiteness since they are anthropologically caucasian, and were rejected on the basis of "you are not white in the ordinary everyday understanding of the term."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitene...ial_definition

    Even among Europeans, those not considered white at some time in American history include Southern Europeans (Spaniards, Greeks, Italians etc.), Irish Catholics, Eastern Europeans and Germans.[19][20] Early on in the United States, white generally referred to those of British Isles or northwestern European descent.[21]
    Whiteness required for all but former slaves to become naturalized citizens

    U.S. rules that Asians cannot qualify for whiteness because they are not caucasian.

    U.S. rules that East Indians while Caucasian are not "white in the ordinary sense" and their Aryan blood has been diluted through intermarriage.

    Irish considered an inferior sub-white race because they were not Anglo Saxon and were of Celtic origin.

    Irish and Africans Americans had lots in common and lots of contact during this period; they lived side by side and shared work spaces. In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as "Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish." A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks.
    http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

    Now, Pat, when you have the first clue what you're talking about, we'll see you in CE&P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    [I]Irish people are 'not white'

    Italian people are 'not white'
    If that definition is right, then I never hit on white people for a lifetime.

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Recently I heard a 'wise guy' story that I had a party at my home for twenty-five men. It's an interesting story, but I don't know twenty-five men I'd want to invite to a party. ~Joan Crawford

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    In Canada, Irish people were considered "foreigners" no matter how long they'd lived here. Italians were almost another species. There was a sharp curve to climb for people who felt like assimilating. But that's a hundred years ago.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Lord of the Flies

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Irish boys









    Southern Italian boy (Sicilian)




    Northern Italian boy

    Last edited by EuroSoccer; March 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 PM.

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    Total amount of hair product and fake tan - over 9000!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Total amount of hair product and fake tan - over 9000!!!!!!
    Well he isn't white, is he?


    This one is isn't white either.





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    I will defer to your Aryan understanding of white, Pat. After all, you're the eugenics guy, you should know best.
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    Somebody trollen.

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    Re: Definition-Bending

    Grimshaw. Face it.

    Another Epic Fail thread.

    Why are you so focussed on race anyway? At your age, I can't see as it should much matter any more.

    I should have added that at times in the 20th century, it wasn't even a case of some European and western Asian peoples not considered 'white' enough.

    They actually had 'scientists' who weren't even convinced they were human enough. With horrifying consequences.

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    Oh, he knows all about those. He's a fan.
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    You know you've hit rock bottom when yet another thread dealing with race delves into a debate on how white a white person should be to be considered white.









    wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElmosToe View Post
    You know you've hit rock bottom when yet another thread dealing with race delves into a debate on how white a white person should be to be considered white.

    wtf.
    There's not even a debate really. Pat is just trying to project his own racism on others.
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