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    A new country for LGBT people.

    Hello fellows Jubbers,

    it's been some time I've been thinking about this subject.

    If LGBT people from the entire world were given a new country (by UN, or a new island having surfaced, whatever) to do what they want with.

    How would you organize it ?

    Would it be welcoming to straight people ? Children would be born, and if they are straight, what should be done ?

    There would be massive immigration all the time as LGBT people would come at every generation.

    Would Hollywood migrate ?

    Would the economy be much different from the other countries ?

    Would the country be a Republic, a Constitutional Monarchy ? Other ?

    Would there be enough people interested for an army ?

    What would be the diplomacy of this country ? Versus Western Nations, versus Iran ? versus China ?

    How would life be different in this country ?

    How religions would be treated ?

    Would there be a common language ? English ?
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    how would we have new offspring?
    uhuh.. ok.. wassap.. shutup.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Would it be welcoming to straight people ?
    Yes as long as they accept the rules of the land

    Children would be born, and if they are straight, what should be done ?
    Yes, being raised in such society they will not become the usual bigots

    Would Hollywood migrate ?
    No thanks

    Would the economy be much different from the other countries ?
    I guess ... a new stereotype I heard about gays lately is that we're supposed to be stingy ...

    Would the country be a Republic, a Constitutional Monarchy ? Other ?
    Republic, or tyranny (with me at its head )

    Would there be enough people interested for an army ?

    I hope not

    What would be the diplomacy of this country ? Versus Western Nations, versus Iran ? versus China ?
    Neutral?

    How would life be different in this country ?
    Very

    How religions would be treated ?
    You don't want a honest answer to that

    Would there be a common language ? English ?
    There should be one mandatory common language
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    go start your colony.

    I am very happy where I am with my straight friends and gay friends

    I can't imagine a world where people I love are not allowed in.




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    My first question would be why world leaders would support such a measure. Kick us all out to some shitty piece of land that there's nothing we can do with so we can all die off maybe?

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    A country of gays and lesbians etc?
    Good grief!
    What a nightmare.
    As if gay clubs and pubs weren't ghetto enough.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    go start your colony.

    I am very happy where I am with my straight friends and gay friends

    I can't imagine a world where people I love are not allowed in.
    ^ This.

    Weren't some homophobes spouting a similar idea years ago, a seperate island for people with HIV/AIDS.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    I wouldn't want to live in a country where suicide at 30 is strongly encouraged and less than pretty people need not apply.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Tech View Post
    I wouldn't want to live in a country where suicide at 30 is strongly encouraged and less than pretty people need not apply.
    that's an odd thing to say.

    can you expain what you mean or are you just assuming that all gay people are shallow and heartless.




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    that's an odd thing to say.

    can you expain what you mean or are you just assuming that all gay people are shallow and heartless.
    I would say that perhaps there is a small, but overly exaggerated element that thinks this, but they rarely vocalize it and such opinions could easily be shut out by an overwhelming movement of daddies telling 15 year old gay boys to grow the fuck up, or shut the fuck up.

    "Don't make me spank you, boy..."

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I would say that perhaps there is a small, but overly exaggerated element that thinks this, but they rarely vocalize it and such opinions could easily be shut out by an overwhelming movement of daddies telling 15 year old gay boys to grow the fuck up, or shut the fuck up.

    "Don't make me spank you, boy..."
    another odd post. 15 year boys are just kids.

    what the fuck is wrong with you guys?
    Last edited by PreTTy PeTe; February 27th, 2013 at 05:48 PM.




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    another odd post. 15 year boys are just kids.

    what the fuck is wrong with you guys?
    Perhaps I was just making a point of who the demographic would be that might actually have the nerve to say that.

    In either case, try and lighten up and have some fun. Life is to short.
    Last edited by Vitamin; February 27th, 2013 at 05:52 PM.

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    Without adoption and sustained immigration it would not be viable obviously.

    I don't see a need for it, unless we were to conquer some haters' territory. How about Iran?

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Perhaps I was just making a point of who the demographic would be that might actually have the nerve to say that.

    In either case, try and lighten up and have some fun. Life is to short.
    a demographic of pederasts. great I will lighten up only when you grown up.




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Without adoption and sustained immigration it would not be viable obviously.

    I don't see a need for it, unless we were to conquer some haters' territory. How about Iran?
    Or turkey basters.

    Hmmm, I wonder if the gay genes could skip a generation or two and you would still have heterosexuals in the mix even if you had two gay parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    a demographic of pederasts. great I will lighten up only when you grown up.
    Who said anything about child rape you perv?

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    This would be practically impossible.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Well, evidently we have our first two political parties and perhaps even the first stirrings of civil war.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post



    Who said anything about child rape you perv?

    but wouldn't the perv be the man who wrote this

    "daddies telling 15 year old gay boys to grow the fuck up, or shut the fuck up"

    oh yea you did.




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Without adoption and sustained immigration it would not be viable obviously.

    I don't see a need for it, unless we were to conquer some haters' territory. How about Iran?
    Why?
    Gays and lesbians can very well procreate ... can't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    but wouldn't the perv be the man who wrote this

    "daddies telling 15 year old gay boys to grow the fuck up, or shut the fuck up"

    oh yea you did.
    Wait, cursing around 15 year old boys is perverted now? Damn, I guess both my parents were perverted for cursing around me all the time as a teenager.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Would it be welcoming to straight people ? Children would be born, and if they are straight, what should be done ?
    Aunt Ida will help us!

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Well medical procedures would be ok I guess, so having children would not be impossible, and LGBT people from other countries would constantly apply for citizenship.

    One of my concern though, is the proof. If the country is rich, straight people may want to immigrate too, so what screening would be possible ? Or would we allow all, depending on qualification or riches ?

    It would not be a country for segregation, and surely it would welcome straight people, but firstly a safe haven. For those in the all too many countries when being gay is a life threatening experience.

    And I would hope a country with a high standard for tolerance and respect of one another (but I may be a teeny bit optimist there ).
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Wait, cursing around 15 year old boys is perverted now? Damn, I guess both my parents were perverted for cursing around me all the time as a teenager.

    my apologies I always forget how fortunate I was when I was young.

    I hope everything is better for you now.
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    my apologies I always forget how fortunate I was when I was young.

    I hope everything is better for you now.
    Someone who automatically associates spanking with child rape, yeah I don't envy your childhood.

    I hope you managed to finally scare that uncle away.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    I would not want to live in such country. It's like asking me to only hang out with my white friends. Variety is the spice of life!

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Why would we want to make an LGBT country? That would be segregation of... sexuality(?)

    It would be wiser to make a country more tolerant to LGBT community than having our own country. It's basically the same if they had a country for ONLY straight people.

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    I have a country, thank you.
    "Miscalculation of our strength their bane,

    Take us lightly and we'll make you pay..."

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    * Ruled by a Queen (male).

    * Neutral in international politics.

    * Every home will have two gay men and one lesbian. The lesbians work as housemaids and baby-ovens from early age while the gay men will have access to college education and good jobs.

    * Straight people not welcomed. A special institute will diagnose the sexuality of children at age 15. The children who turn out to be straight will either be cast away or forced to work in the mines.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Oh good. North Korea with sequins.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    * Ruled by a Queen (male).

    * Neutral in international politics.

    * Every home will have two gay men and one lesbian. The lesbians work as housemaids and baby-ovens from early age while the gay men will have access to college education and good jobs.

    * Straight people not welcomed. A special institute will diagnose the sexuality of children at age 15. The children who turn out to be straight will either be cast away or forced to work in the mines.
    1. Sounds good.

    2. As long as we can keep the missionaries away I'm cool with that.

    3. That sounds very extreme and sexist. Lesbians need to be on equal footing with gay men if we want them to come on the island. Impregnation should be done either by IVF or if you prefer, turkey basters. Parental rights and responsibilities will ALL be made explicit in legal contracts beforehand and violators, both male and female, will be flogged mercilessly for being so stupid to bring a life into this world without doing something so simple first.

    4. I would rather try electro-shock therapy for the straights first because I'm a kind, gentle soul who wants to them change their filthily hedonistic ways. If that doesn't work execution is always an option. I mean, we all know most pedophilia is heterosexual right?
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Someone who automatically associates spanking with child rape, yeah I don't envy your childhood.

    I hope you managed to finally scare that uncle away.
    okay if you have to spank a child then you are abusing that child.

    and wtf are you talking about an uncle?

    are you delusional?




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    okay if you have to spank a child then you are abusing that child.

    and wtf are you talking about an uncle?

    are you delusional?
    BS. Children need to be spanked sometimes. They grow into little snots otherwise.

    Delusional? That's rich coming from someone who thinks spanking is child abuse.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    I feel sorry for people who can't think of other ways than violence to discipline their children.

    This has been studied over and over again and it's pretty much a fact that you don't get better discipline results with physical violence.

    Some people are stuck with this idea because it was done to them and they don't want to admit it was wrong because they don't want to think or say that what their parents did to them was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    I feel sorry for people who can't think of other ways than violence to discipline their children.

    This has been studied over and over again and it's pretty much a fact that you don't get better discipline results with physical violence.

    Some people are stuck with this idea because it was done to them and they don't want to admit it was wrong because they don't want to think or say that what their parents did to them was wrong.
    Again, BS. I was only spanked a couple of times as kid before I got the point that Mom was in charge. I would have done whatever I wanted otherwise.

    I know myself. Maybe it doesn't work for every child, but I would have been a complete monster without it. Studies can kiss my ass. Nobody ever studied me.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Studies don't need to study every single person on the planet to be accurate... just a large number of people.

    Someone who does not get basic things like that is hardly fit for a discussion like this.

    You can't make such an assumption like you just did. Maybe the other things they tried did not work but I'm sure they hadn't tried everything (since there are more successful methods than violence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    Studies don't need to study every single person on the planet to be accurate... just a large number of people.

    Someone who does not get basic things like that is hardly fit for a discussion like this.

    You can't make such an assumption like you just did. Maybe the other things they tried did not work but I'm sure they hadn't tried everything (since there are more successful methods than violence).
    You don't know me. Nothing else would have. And it was only a couple of times for crying outloud. Even the most adamant proponents of anti-spanking acknowledge that there's absolutely nothing life-scaring about that.

    Given the obnoxious state of children these days I would wager those other methods that seemed to work so well in a cozy doctors office have failed in real life. Bring spanking back.
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Oh yes. I'd be the first one on the ship for sure.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Why?
    Gays and lesbians can very well procreate ... can't they?
    It's obvious that some gays are so afraid of vagina, they've rewritten the basic rules of procreation.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    BS. Children need to be spanked sometimes. They grow into little snots otherwise.

    Delusional? That's rich coming from someone who thinks spanking is child abuse.
    spanking is child abuse.

    if you can't parent without resorting to violence then you should not be a parent.

    I was never spanked or hit when I was growing up and I happen to think that I grew up a well defined and caring person.




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Guys, there is a thread about children education, it would be very kind of you to follow your discussions there, thank you !

    I get that some people wouldn't want to leave their country and their friends. But sometime LGBT lives are pure hell where they live.

    Do you remember a small group of people who had religious believes different from the majority and they felt discriminate ?
    They went west to found a country with their rules and which would welcome people whatever their religion ?
    I think it's called USA nowadays

    Liberia was founded for the American slaves who wanted to return to Africa, to live free on their ancestor's land.

    Israel was given (taken ?) for the persecuted jews after WWII (the consequences being inconsequential for this thread).

    So I don't think my idea of founding a welcoming country for LBGT people would be so weird. It would not segregate against straight people, just LGBT would be the majority, with equal rights and protections for anyone.
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    Iceland is 100 sq kilometers with only 300.000 people.

    Only law enforcement that carries guns is a small SWAT team. No military.

    Just us JUB members with guns could easily occupy the country and take over.

    I would actually welcome it if it means getting rid of the current government lol.

    Getting million gays here would be a good start so it's a big majority.

    Or is it a must for a gay country to be tropical?
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    ^okay back to topic.

    why would you want to segregate yourself when you can move to place that is welcoming to gays.

    that's limiting your potential to change the world




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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    ^ This.

    Weren't some homophobes spouting a similar idea years ago, a seperate island for people with HIV/AIDS.
    Yeah...Mike Huckabee

    As for the original question...I can't get George Orwell out of my head.

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    It's been touted by the right wing since Reagan and would end up as Lord of the Fliesistan (unless I'm made El Supremo), but with a much lousier climate.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    Or is it a must for a gay country to be tropical?
    No, not when Iceland has volcanic hot tubs.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    No, not when Iceland has volcanic hot tubs.
    That's a good example of what could happen, though. A lesbian PM outlawing internet porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    a demographic of pederasts. great I will lighten up only when you grown up.
    That is so not what he said or implied whatsoever. You're inventing outrage again.

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    immigration would have to be a top priority since the birth rate would be low as fuck.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Vatican City?

    Oh, wait, you said a new country.

  50. #50
    thatgirl
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    Re: A new country for LGBT people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    * Ruled by a Queen (male).

    * Neutral in international politics.

    * Every home will have two gay men and one lesbian. The lesbians work as housemaids and baby-ovens from early age while the gay men will have access to college education and good jobs.

    * Straight people not welcomed. A special institute will diagnose the sexuality of children at age 15. The children who turn out to be straight will either be cast away or forced to work in the mines.

    And why would the lesbians go to this place voluntarily if they're going to be treated like this? Will they be human trafficked and enslaved for their wombs? Sounds like a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    It's obvious that some gays are so afraid of vagina, they've rewritten the basic rules of procreation.
    If the lesbians made their own country and basically set up sperm banks, the gay men would be out of luck in the procreation department.

    Anyway, I'm thinking this procreation stuff would be the undoing of this proposed country. Most of the kids will be born heterosexual and cisgender so what then? It will basically be overrun with non-LGBT individuals. I think immigration would make the most sense if people want to keep it strictly LGBT citizens.
    Last edited by thatgirl; February 28th, 2013 at 10:57 AM.

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