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    Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed




    Kids weren't having it.



    When they laugh at her



    This woman did not pick the right audience.
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Why does anyone give Dan Ann Coulter attention? He's She's nothing more than a shock jock queen who says outlandish things for money and attention so he she can sell more of his her books.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    This is the typical right wing argument... "but gay people do have equal rights... they can marry someone of the opposite sex". It's perhaps the most infantile, idiotic argument I've heard in a long time.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    So speaks the mouth of the GOP.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    I don't know when the GOP is going to shut her the fuck up.

    She probably loses them as many votes as their Rape obsessed old white guys do.

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    Unless that is the intent.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    She really is unbearable. Conservative charlatans like her are so good at separating gullible right-wingers from their money. Why any serious conservative would give her a platform is a mystery.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    So why dosen't she marry a man? I mean, she's gay, so she should take her own advise. Or is she secretly shacking up with a girlfriend?

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    I bet her pussy has sharp teeth and breathes fire.

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    Shes a dreadful old sea hag.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    I bet her pussy has sharp teeth and breathes fire.
    What pussy?

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    I want a pussy that breathes fire...
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Breaking news: Ann Coulter says something stupid, adjusts her testicles. More at 11.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Oh the dumb lady. Libertarians were the FIRST political party in the US to endorse gay marriage; almost a full decade before it was part of the Democrat's platform.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Well, but that's mostly because they don't want marriage to be anything more than a ceremony and for the government to stay completely out of it.
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Well, but that's mostly because they don't want marriage to be anything more than a ceremony and for the government to stay completely out of it.
    Well, that is what firmly believe too which is why I would marry my roomie, a lesbian, for the tax benefits. Let's be completely honest here: if there were no tax incentives for couples with no offspring/adopted children, do you really think people would be getting married at an abundant rate if not to dupe their spouses into alimony via divorce or the first statement I made? I doubt it.

    If you need an example: look to Japan which offers no tax incentive for couples and they have one of the lowest birthrates in the world atm.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Well, that is what firmly believe too which is why I would marry my roomie, a lesbian, for the tax benefits. Let's be completely honest here: if there were no tax incentives for couples with no offspring/adopted children, do you really think people would be getting married at an abundant rate if not to dupe their spouses into alimony via divorce or the first statement I made? I doubt it.

    If you need an example: look to Japan which offers no tax incentive for couples and they have one of the lowest birthrates in the world atm.
    There are benefits of unions besides tax breaks (which really should not exist). The lack of requirement for medical power of attorney is one (law gives married partners this power). Marriage now really only benefits the wealthy. They are also the only group that is really getting married. The poor are better off being not married. They get more in benefits.

    Japan's low TFR has more do with the economy (lots of work with very high cost of living) than it does with tax breaks for kids. Other economies see the same thing. TFRs decline as financial security increases. Wealthy people have fewer children. Middle class people wait longer until children are affordable. Poor people just fuck and produce burdens without regard to the effec on society.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post
    There are benefits of unions besides tax breaks (which really should not exist). The lack of requirement for medical power of attorney is one (law gives married partners this power). Marriage now really only benefits the wealthy. They are also the only group that is really getting married. The poor are better off being not married. They get more in benefits.

    Japan's low TFR has more do with the economy (lots of work with very high cost of living) than it does with tax breaks for kids. Other economies see the same thing. TFRs decline as financial security increases. Wealthy people have fewer children. Middle class people wait longer until children are affordable. Poor people just fuck and produce burdens without regard to the effec on society.
    I don't disagree with your statements. You are right about the marriage tax abatements. You get penalized if you are married and file separately from your spouse [on average, over $30k in penalties for doing so and yes, there are fiduciary reasons why one may do so. Thank you, NPV].

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Socialists endorsed same sex marriage before the Libertarians, for your information. But the SPUSA hasn't been a major influence in American politics... really at all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_USA

    It's both left wing socially and economically... the only way it should be. There is no 50/50 when it comes to real liberty.
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Well, that is what firmly believe too which is why I would marry my roomie, a lesbian, for the tax benefits. Let's be completely honest here: if there were no tax incentives for couples with no offspring/adopted children, do you really think people would be getting married at an abundant rate if not to dupe their spouses into alimony via divorce or the first statement I made? I doubt it.
    If they want property and medical rights between themselves, yes. In fact that's the primary concern for me with the marriage question. Not tax breaks.

    If you need an example: look to Japan which offers no tax incentive for couples and they have one of the lowest birthrates in the world atm.
    Not related at all.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    She is a $#@ but one who knows there are many people who agree with her..and will buy all of her books while she laughs all the way to the bank.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Her philosophy, such as it is, can be reduced simply to "government should use its power to force people to do what I want". This was evident from her argument that we'll never get government out of marriage, yet she wants to fight to get government out of business.

    Simple hypocrisy. She doesn't believe in freedom at all.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    This woman deserves no respect, nor public recognition. She is a terrible human being.
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    The funny thing is that this is the exact same argument supporters of "marriage equality" use against polygamy and incest.

    This is apparently one of those "only wrong when someone else does it" things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Her philosophy, such as it is, can be reduced simply to "government should use its power to force people to do what I want". This was evident from her argument that we'll never get government out of marriage, yet she wants to fight to get government out of business.

    Simple hypocrisy. She doesn't believe in freedom at all.
    is that not pretty much every political ideology though?

    Liberalism and conservatism (both in the modern sense) are all about using government power to "encourage" action that members believe are correct. Compulsion is required as people will not make the "right" decision on their own (smoking, drugs, diet, education, finances, etc).

    the parties around neither ideology are fighting to protect rights of other people to do things that the party does not agree with.

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Oh so incest is the same as homosexuality? Here is a word of advice... go take that right wing, homophobic agenda elsewhere. Perhaps on the Newsmax forums they might appreciate that kind of attitude. Polygamy and incest have nothing to do with this. I personally see nothing wrong with polygamy. That's been around a long time longer than gay marriage.

    And the slippery slope argument is just nice... thanks for sharing that crock with us... have any other nonsense we should hear?

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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    It's so sad when someone is so busy "exposing" others that he fails to actually notice what they stand for...
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post
    The funny thing is that this is the exact same argument supporters of "marriage equality" use against polygamy and incest.

    This is apparently one of those "only wrong when someone else does it" things.

    is that not pretty much every political ideology though?

    Liberalism and conservatism (both in the modern sense) are all about using government power to "encourage" action that members believe are correct. Compulsion is required as people will not make the "right" decision on their own (smoking, drugs, diet, education, finances, etc).

    the parties around neither ideology are fighting to protect rights of other people to do things that the party does not agree with.


    Incest is only problematic and not recognized for straight marriage because of the potential issues with genetic abnormalities with the resultant children. In and of itself...who cares? Incestuous marriage has been employed through the centuries in many cultures. It isn't even a sin. I notice you didn't mention incest between adults and minors, which of course, is fundamentally wrong because it is not a balanced relationship and lacks the proper consent of one party.

    Polygamy? what is the problem? Certainly for economic and political reasons, we have adopted the notion that using women as brood mares in a culture where they are utterly subservient to the male is not what we think is ideal for western society.

    There is a huge difference though, in what a society will generally agree is acceptable and what is simply imposed. So at the moment, many western countries are accepting that homo marriage is okay and that it provides a societally recognized pact between two people who love each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post
    The funny thing is that this is the exact same argument supporters of "marriage equality" use against polygamy and incest.

    This is apparently one of those "only wrong when someone else does it" things.

    is that not pretty much every political ideology though?

    Liberalism and conservatism (both in the modern sense) are all about using government power to "encourage" action that members believe are correct. Compulsion is required as people will not make the "right" decision on their own (smoking, drugs, diet, education, finances, etc).

    the parties around neither ideology are fighting to protect rights of other people to do things that the party does not agree with.
    The issue is marriage currently is a specifically monogamous arrangement. It is two people coming together to create a monogamous lifetime bond, creating a new family unit where one did not exist before. In our society in this day and age, that bond is formed by two people who wish to to be family, they love each other and want to live the rest of their lives together. It is the basic unit of our social structure, everything else revolves around that. It provides a safe environment for sexual relations, child rearing, and mutual support. This is very beneficial to society and the reason all the benefits accrue to marriage in order to encourage and support it.

    Alternative forms of marriage undermine the institution by introducing the very 'anything goes' idea into it. Most of the alternatives are not desirable. Polygamy can work but there is an inherent instability in its structure since it almost impossible for all members of the group to be equal. It works well in societies where women are second class citizens and thus the inequality of the structure is expected but in Western societies it is a formula for social instability. Incestual marriages have the same instability problems, trying to establish a family inside a family, especially if it generational, can introduce power and domination issues that are dangerous as well as the genetics issues. There is also the alternative type of marriage called 'shacking up' where a marriage type relationship is formed without any of the bonds or promises that define a traditional marriage. The social benefit of marriage is stability and structure for a family, shacking up provides none of this.

    The marriage equality issue comes in that gays have no equivalent structure for their relationships. There is an effort to provide an equivalent with the 'civil unions'. The problem with that, one it doesn't provide all the things real marriage provides, two it is an 'alternative' form of marriage!

    Here now is why conservatives should be SUPPORTING gay marriage. Gays exist, whether they are formed by nature, nurture or both doesn't matter, they exist and they are going to form relationships. All the reasons society encourages and promotes marriage as the means of establishing heterosexual relationships apply just the same to homosexual relationships, INCLUDING THE SAFE HAVEN FOR CHILD REARING. Yes homosexuals have children as much as that may shock some people. There needs to be a means for gays to form socially acceptable family relationships.

    Civil unions is not the conservative means to do that. The reason is it is socially acknowledging that an alternative to marriage is acceptable. Doing that is saying that marriage itself is not important and we can have many other types of marriage. That is the path to group marriage, contract marriage, to validating 'shacking up', incestual relationships, etc.
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh so incest is the same as homosexuality? Here is a word of advice... go take that right wing, homophobic agenda elsewhere. Perhaps on the Newsmax forums they might appreciate that kind of attitude. Polygamy and incest have nothing to do with this. I personally see nothing wrong with polygamy. That's been around a long time longer than gay marriage.
    Where is that written or implied?

    My statement was rather clear. And the responses to this thread are evidence of its validity. the view is that people should be only free to enter into the unions that certain individuals find acceptable.

    Slippery slope? Huh? I am more liberal than Jesus and Buddha combined. All marriage should be legal, including unions to take advantage of nationality law (so called "sham marriages"). The state should not be in the position of determining which contracts willfully entered into by all parties are more or less valid than others. A legal contract between eight persons is no less valid than one between two persons.

    sorry, bro, but I want actual equality. You would not understand. You also would not like it. Authoritarians never do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    polygamy = polygyny
    That is inherently false. Would homosex marry females? I doubt it.

    I disagree also with claims of inequality. People who willfully enter into agreements can make decisions. It happens with other contracts. Start a business with multiple persons. Oh, noes. Unequal! Damn that contract to hell! Polygamy, like regular marriage, is a problem when people are not given a choice. A forced polygamous union is no better or worse than a forced monogamous union.
    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Incest is only problematic and not recognized for straight marriage because of the potential issues with genetic abnormalities with the resultant children.

    Polygamy? what is the problem? Certainly for economic and political reasons, we have adopted the notion that using women as brood mares in a culture where they are utterly subservient to the male is not what we think is ideal for western society.

    There is a huge difference though, in what a society will generally agree is acceptable and what is simply imposed. [...] love
    The "issues" with progeny from incestuous unions are exaggerated. It does not even matter. Other people who will definitely produce r-person children are allowed to marry.

    Love does not matter. There is no test or requirement for love. There is only a contract and benefits provided to those who are in that contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"


    Do I look like a libertarian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Why does anyone give Ann Coulter attention?
    I figure she's well-connected. And has stayed that way. She is part of the Conservative Entertainment Complex. It doesn't matter which party is winning with elections. She has a gig. She's going to continue with it. And she will continue to get exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post
    I disagree also with claims of inequality. People who willfully enter into agreements can make decisions. It happens with other contracts. Start a business with multiple persons. Oh, noes. Unequal! Damn that contract to hell! Polygamy, like regular marriage, is a problem when people are not given a choice. A forced polygamous union is no better or worse than a forced monogamous union.
    Businesses and relationships are two different things. In engineering, a tripod is the beginnings of stability but in relationships three is the beginnings of instability. You can make it work but it is HARD work and more likely to fall apart than the more stable monogamous relationship.
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post

    My statement was rather clear. And the responses to this thread are evidence of its validity. the view is that people should be only free to enter into the unions that certain individuals find acceptable.
    As clear as mud. Meaning not at all. Thanks for more of the same nonsense.

    Slippery slope? Huh? I am more liberal than Jesus and Buddha combined.
    Yeah. Riggghhhhhhttttt... sureeee... I'll believe that.

    All marriage should be legal, including unions to take advantage of nationality law (so called "sham marriages"). The state should not be in the position of determining which contracts willfully entered into by all parties are more or less valid than others. A legal contract between eight persons is no less valid than one between two persons.
    Deal with it. The state is and will be. That libertarian fairytale isn't reality. Yeah, not liberal at the slightest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post
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    Actually it does.

    This same topic is going on in Hot Topics and someone brought up a point-- can people add others to polygamous marriages at will, or remove them? If they can add people, what happens if the primary income earner suddenly dies and the pension is now split 6 ways? What if kids are involved? Who needs to give consent to add to a polygamous marriage? How will that affect pensions, social security benefits, etc.? Many divorce laws at the moment in the case of an income disparity between the two parties recognize that the party making lesser should be supported in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed via financial support for a period of time or until remarriage. How will that work if a marriage has 8 spouses?
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    Re: Ann Coulter calls Libertarians pussies while saying: "if gay people want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex"; Gets booed

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I presume that the current form of marriage is correct and that people are too stupid to change it.
    People can make those determinations as necessary. Those who seek such arrangements can determine how assets should be succeeded.

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    And, again, if these are major issues, then the state should prevent poor people from marrying or having children.
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    People can make those determinations as necessary. Those who seek such arrangements can determine how assets should be succeeded.

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    And, again, if these are major issues, then the state should prevent poor people from marrying or having children.
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    At any rate, you're just handwaving that none of those things I mentioned will impact things like the welfare of children involved in a multi-party marriage, the ability of a non working spouse to survive in the case of the end of a marriage or the death of a primary income earner, and a ton of other considerations. Those things will all have real impact on real people, including people who don't have a say in the matter (such as various children of members of a polygamist marriage) which is why the precise same argument made for gay marriage cannot be made for a polygamist marriage.
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    The funny thing is that this is the exact same argument supporters of "marriage equality" use against polygamy and incest.

    This is apparently one of those "only wrong when someone else does it" things.

    is that not pretty much every political ideology though?

    Liberalism and conservatism (both in the modern sense) are all about using government power to "encourage" action that members believe are correct. Compulsion is required as people will not make the "right" decision on their own (smoking, drugs, diet, education, finances, etc).

    the parties around neither ideology are fighting to protect rights of other people to do things that the party does not agree with.
    No, it isn't. Libertarians want to have people make their own decisions instead of telling them what to do -- thus, no law about merely personal issues are considered valid. Marriage? Not the government's business to decide who can marry who. Recreational drugs? Not the government's decision to tell people what they can't put in their bodies.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    No, it isn't. Libertarians want to have people make their own decisions instead of telling them what to do -- thus, no law about merely personal issues are considered valid. Marriage? Not the government's business to decide who can marry who. Recreational drugs? Not the government's decision to tell people what they can't put in their bodies.
    Bullied kids at school? Not the government's job to protect them. Let them learn to work it out.

    At least that's what the last libertarian I talked to told me.
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    Alternative forms of marriage undermine the institution by introducing the very 'anything goes' idea into it. Most of the alternatives are not desirable. Polygamy can work but there is an inherent instability in its structure since it almost impossible for all members of the group to be equal. It works well in societies where women are second class citizens and thus the inequality of the structure is expected but in Western societies it is a formula for social instability. Incestual marriages have the same instability problems, trying to establish a family inside a family, especially if it generational, can introduce power and domination issues that are dangerous as well as the genetics issues. There is also the alternative type of marriage called 'shacking up' where a marriage type relationship is formed without any of the bonds or promises that define a traditional marriage. The social benefit of marriage is stability and structure for a family, shacking up provides none of this.
    By this reasoning, democracy can't work.
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    Bullied kids at school? Not the government's job to protect them. Let them learn to work it out.

    At least that's what the last libertarian I talked to told me.
    That's a very strange libertarian you talked to. Extending that reasoning, we shouldn't send kids to school, just let them work it out on their own.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Again this is such a wrong way to view the world. It isn't "liberal versus conservative". Get a grip please. Not everyone revolves around that narrow 1950s McCarthyist mindset.

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    I understand English just fine, and have two degrees from an American University. I speak three languages fluently. I guess that puts me above the infantile insults.
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    I know you want to challenge and redefine human nature in all of your posts; however, when it comes down to the subjective reality we live in for the society we are a part of, marriage equality is important to us. If heterosexual relationships are recognized by their government and are afforded benefits and protections, then homosexual relationships are equally as deserving. Everything else you're ranting about is irrelevant to the topic that genuinely affects the members of this community.
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    I figure she's well-connected. And has stayed that way. She is part of the Conservative Entertainment Complex. It doesn't matter which party is winning with elections. She has a gig. She's going to continue with it. And she will continue to get exposure.
    The funny/annoying thing is that just about everybody in the media is in on the joke.

    The liberals actually love her because she gives them something to attack and rally around and the conservatives, because she's just so damned good at making liberals mad.

    But everyone knows that she is only in it for the $$$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post

    I know you want to challenge and redefine human nature in all of your posts; however, when it comes down to the subjective reality we live in for the society we are a part of, marriage equality is important to us. If heterosexual relationships are recognized by their government and are afforded benefits and protections, then homosexual relationships are equally as deserving. Everything else you're ranting about is irrelevant to the topic that genuinely affects the members of this community.
    I really respect you for not engaging his bullshit. This is exactly the core of my issue with all the weirdos ranting about definitions and how things "should" be - they always seem to ignore the actual reality and its implications for regular people.
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    I really respect you for not engaging his bullshit. This is exactly the core of my issue with all the weirdos ranting about definitions and how things "should" be - they always seem to ignore the actual reality and its implications for regular people.
    And somehow in that off-topic process they wind up directly or indirectly offering justifications for the status quo, which I presume to be the actual intent.

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    Yep... it's just more nonsensical black and white language employed by those who do not fully comprehend that there are more than two sides in politics.

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    Thanks for sharing yet another falsehood. That's not a liberal position.

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    I understood it time and time again... get a grip please. Have any more weak unsupported talking points to post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I really respect you for not engaging his bullshit. This is exactly the core of my issue with all the weirdos ranting about definitions and how things "should" be - they always seem to ignore the actual reality and its implications for regular people.
    Ironic because you just espoused the conservative value of "regular people".

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    And here we go with the insults once again, and at this point I'll let the mods deal with. I know the difference between party and ideology. But that's a nice fucking try. Welcome to my ignore list

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    You need to stop calling members of this forum "child." They are grown men who are entitled to their own opinions. You need to stop insulting the intelligence of other members. This is a community that strives towards respect, and is governed by a Code of Conduct. If you cannot follow the basic protocols of respect and engagement on this sub-forum, then you should seek attention elsewhere.
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    By this reasoning, democracy can't work.
    It isn't necessary for all members of a democracy to love each other equally.
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