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    Body-obsessed culture

    How much is modern culture obsessed with physical, with being youthful and beautiful? One thing is caring about ones' health, but when does it become obsession, a way to compensate many other important things that should be worked on?

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    There was an interesting discussion on this subject on a site I used to post at and there was a group of very enlightened (liberal) females who gave me a different perspective on this subject...one I had never considered previously.

    They pointed out that humans...like every other species...have an instinct to reproduce and pick the mate with the most desirable qualities. You see this in nature alot....the finest specimens are chosen as mates. Some people might value physical...some mental...some spiritual...depends on the individual.

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    It's obnoxious.

    And what kills me are the constant messages about gyms and dieting. I'm not saying that they don't help, but the amount that genetics play a role in the differences in our bodies is drastically underplayed. The people who win that genetic lottery are always quick to credit themselves with a healthy lifestyle even when plenty others who spend the same amount of time obsessing over calories and hitting the gym will never have the athletic body that they do.

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    folks care way too much to the point where it's ridiculous. people always need to look for a way to boost themselves up since it's hard to find strength and confidence from within. it takes a lot of guts to accept yourself for who you are if what you are isn't what is deemed to be "cool" or "good" in society.
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    I don't think it's only "modern" culture that is obsessed with physicality, but it's our power to have greater impact on masses with modern technology to promote certain ideals of desired physicality which impacts our mental health.

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    You may have hit the nail on the head with technology. Social media has been quite the double-edged sword. While it's definitely helped promote the exposure of folks who may not fit into mainstream ideals, it's also allowed those that do an even more exorbitant amount of attention based solely on their looks and superficial physical attributes than they were already given "IRL."

    These days, any young, pretty white boy with traces of muscle and a camera can develop a fan base overnight.
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    It's unfortunate. I used to be very heavy set and not many guys would look at me. As soon as I got down to a super thin level it was as if I actually existed. It made me extremely depressed that I didn't matter as a person and many many people who ignored me, now considered me worthwhile despite me having found them attractive regardless of how they looked. I slowly began gaining the weight again.

    Now I'm just pissed off that I gained the weight and had to buy new clothes LOL. I'm trying to get slim again because shirts that used to look nice now bulge out since my weight is very unevenly distributed.

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    Like it or not...letting anyone else define "beauty" for you is not anyone else's problem and the quicker you come to terms with that the better. Same with seeing yourself through other people's eyes.

    I had a rap on this when people would bring this up in the bar because people brought it up...alot. What I would say...if you participate in this yourself...rating other people on their appearance....then you are part of the problem you identify others as having. IF you were a "10"...would you feel differently about the system you hate?

    Are you happy when someone tells you that you are good looking? Is it a compliment? Why? What is the difference between someone telling you that are hot...or that you are ugly? Really...it is the same thing.

    I don't personally think there is anything wrong with rating someone on their appearance. I think it is important to honestly see where you are in the process and what you personally contribute to the dynamics you dislike.

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    It's hard to sum up. I mean, I love hot guys. I love seeing guys in various states of undress. But many of the guys I find hot aren't what "modern culture" would consider hot. Does that mean I'm part of the problem, or part of the solution?

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    The beauty standard today is purely and superficially appearance--- health or fitness are secondary considerations or side bonuses at best.

    You go back and look at really old photos or lifelike portraits of men from further back in history, guys who shot longbows or lived off the land or relied for survival on their physical endurance or prowess, and if you brought those guys into the present and put them on a modern beach shirtless, most of them would get called fatasses or flabby. They'd be muscular but it wouldn't be the kind of surgically nurtured gym-induced musculature to necessarily bring out a six pack or have chiselled abs or ripped quads. When looking at old black and white photos of wrestlers and bodybuilders from the turn of the 20th century in a book about the history of my college once, I was amazed at how most of those guys would have been made fun of today for their bodies.

    I have really no confidence problem saying that 90% or more of the working out done in the U.S. is done entirely for visible results and specifically targetted for that effect, and not for any greater intent to increase health or fitness or strength or endurance in any sort of practical way.

    Also, in the past, prior to all the modern conveniences and central heating and everything else, a reasonable layer of fat was a very good thing for health and survival.

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    ...When looking at old black and white photos of wrestlers and bodybuilders from the turn of the 20th century in a book about the history of my college once, I was amazed at how most of those guys would have been made fun of today for their bodies...
    We go through phases. Muscle men in the 1950s had Big Biceps. Now we fetishize over the abs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedavo View Post
    It's unfortunate. I used to be very heavy set and not many guys would look at me. As soon as I got down to a super thin level it was as if I actually existed. It made me extremely depressed that I didn't matter as a person and many many people who ignored me, now considered me worthwhile despite me having found them attractive regardless of how they looked. I slowly began gaining the weight again.
    Now I'm just pissed off that I gained the weight and had to buy new clothes LOL. I'm trying to get slim again because shirts that used to look nice now bulge out since my weight is very unevenly distributed.
    There are guys and girls who have whatever it is everyone wants...and hate being objectified too. They hate that someone doesn't see who they are...just what they look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    The beauty standard today is purely and superficially appearance--- health or fitness are secondary considerations or side bonuses at best.

    You go back and look at really old photos or lifelike portraits of men from further back in history, guys who shot longbows or lived off the land or relied for survival on their physical endurance or prowess, and if you brought those guys into the present and put them on a modern beach shirtless, most of them would get called fatasses or flabby. They'd be muscular but it wouldn't be the kind of surgically nurtured gym-induced musculature to necessarily bring out a six pack or have chiselled abs or ripped quads. When looking at old black and white photos of wrestlers and bodybuilders from the turn of the 20th century in a book about the history of my college once, I was amazed at how most of those guys would have been made fun of today for their bodies.

    I have really no confidence problem saying that 90% or more of the working out done in the U.S. is done entirely for visible results and specifically targetted for that effect, and not for any greater intent to increase health or fitness or strength or endurance in any sort of practical way.

    Also, in the past, prior to all the modern conveniences and central heating and everything else, a reasonable layer of fat was a very good thing for health and survival.
    you pretty much summed up the problem with the whole entire exercise, fitness and bodybuilding community. it's so superficial that you have these young guys basically abusing themselves messing with steroids, doing all kinds of crazy bs in order to look like arnold or frank zane. what's scary is that these guys are willing to compromise their own health in order to obtain that unnatural look that you mentioned. you know they want to get their body fat to a certain percentage such as 5% in order to look ripped. they see the tv shows like the real world or the jersey shore, these movies such as thor, men's health magazine where they have the guy or the model that has been photoshopped to death with the chiseled body. they see that these guys with those type of body figures being worshipped and celebrated by the media and some people outthere. they think that in order to get love and attention from more people even if these people are ignorant and superficial, they have to look like that. be in the gym everyday, drinking a protein shake, messing with supplements that could kill them, and treating their own health and themselves like shit. it's scary hearing how some of these guys that are in their early 20s are dropping dead from heart failure and these guys are looking like this.



    this guy right here died at 23 from a heart attack. he was using and abusing all types of drugs, steroids being one of them. to some people, it's worth the abuse. they're willing to kill themselves to get some love and attention for some warped minded people. you know, everybody needs somebody and needs love and etc from people BUT it's why you're getting it though. it's one thing if you're loved for who you are. it's another thing when you're loved for how you look. i dunno how anybody would want love and attention from someone that only values them for only how good they look and nothing else. that in itself is an insult. if you weren't attractive or looked good to them, then they wouldn't see you as a human being for that matter. they would rather treat and care about a dog or a cat better than you for that matter. the dog and the cat deserves to be helped because they look good and are so cute where as they think you're ugly so you can catch a heart attack and drop dead. they'll let you die because you're ugly. shows that some people are to be avoided. those are the people that truly ugly if you ask me.
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    ^ BTW; that kid came from the village as the Kardashians. He wanted what they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    you pretty much summed up the problem with the whole entire exercise, fitness and bodybuilding community. it's so superficial that you have these young guys basically abusing themselves messing with steroids, doing all kinds of crazy bs in order to look like arnold or frank zane. what's scary is that these guys are willing to compromise their own health in order to obtain that unnatural look that you mentioned. you know they want to get their body fat to a certain percentage such as 5% in order to look ripped. they see the tv shows like the real world or the jersey shore, these movies such as thor, men's health magazine where they have the guy or the model that has been photoshopped to death with the chiseled body. they see that these guys with those type of body figures being worshipped and celebrated by the media and some people outthere. they think that in order to get love and attention from more people even if these people are ignorant and superficial, they have to look like that. be in the gym everyday, drinking a protein shake, messing with supplements that could kill them, and treating their own health and themselves like shit. it's scary hearing how some of these guys that are in their early 20s are dropping dead from heart failure and these guys are looking like this.



    this guy right here died at 23 from a heart attack. he was using and abusing all types of drugs, steroids being one of them. to some people, it's worth the abuse. they're willing to kill themselves to get some love and attention for some warped minded people. you know, everybody needs somebody and needs love and etc from people BUT it's why you're getting it though. it's one thing if you're loved for who you are. it's another thing when you're loved for how you look. i dunno how anybody would want love and attention from someone that only values them for only how good they look and nothing else. that in itself is an insult. if you weren't attractive or looked good to them, then they wouldn't see you as a human being for that matter. they would rather treat and care about a dog or a cat better than you for that matter. the dog and the cat deserves to be helped because they look good and are so cute where as they think you're ugly so you can catch a heart attack and drop dead. they'll let you die because you're ugly. shows that some people are to be avoided. those are the people that truly ugly if you ask me.
    If I recall correctly being told about this guy, he was kinda like a mini-celebrity over at 4chan's /fit/ area, and sort of like a role model there as far as fitness/workout regimens/etc. Made a lot of youtubes. Then yup... up and died from drug/steroid/etc. abuse. Definitely a salutory warning about the extent to which people are going to get the look without necessarily even caring about the health aspect (or risks) of it.

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    Well, i like old guy(like senior citizen old) and bear types so heres one guy who nreaks the norm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourson View Post
    Well, i like old guy(like senior citizen old) and bear types so heres one guy who nreaks the norm..
    Not alone there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueranger View Post
    How much is modern culture obsessed with physical, with being youthful and beautiful? One thing is caring about ones' health, but when does it become obsession, a way to compensate many other important things that should be worked on?

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    On a personal level, I don't really care all that much. All those ridiculously beautiful people you see in the media, all around the world, are meant to entertain us and fuel our fantasies. Furthermore, these people's natural appearance is not even enough for industry people. Despite being already super gifted in the looks department, their looks are enhanced via photoshop, lighting, makeup, etc. So, the standard that is set is just beyond unrealistic. It's unattainable. It's just a fantasy. Looking at their images is just a form of escapism and a way of celebrating their exceptional beauty. That's how I view it.

    Just like people can be gifted in various ways, some people are just very gifted in the looks department. I can acknowledge this and appreciate these people's looks without feeling envious because I am very happy with my appearance.

    Anyway, I do realize that some people-- particularly those who struggle with body-image issues-- often feel very inadequate when they are bombarded with these images. I think, in order to combat this, people need to be taught how to analyze and evaluate the media they consume (media literacy). This would go a long way in helping them to understand that what they're being sold is just a fantasy-- one that nobody can measure up to. They'll be able to think critically about beauty standards. It's especially important to instill this in people while they are still young and impressionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If I recall correctly being told about this guy, he was kinda like a mini-celebrity over at 4chan's /fit/ area, and sort of like a role model there as far as fitness/workout regimens/etc. Made a lot of youtubes. Then yup... up and died from drug/steroid/etc. abuse. Definitely a salutory warning about the extent to which people are going to get the look without necessarily even caring about the health aspect (or risks) of it.
    Steroids have destroyed many peoples lives. I saw a video of guys working out who were aspiring to be underwear models. Some of them said "I'm going to do this, no matter what the steroids do to me". I'm not at all satisfied, or even comfortable with how I look, but I'd never touch steroids, or risk my health to look better.

    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    folks care way too much to the point where it's ridiculous. people always need to look for a way to boost themselves up since it's hard to find strength and confidence from within. it takes a lot of guts to accept yourself for who you are if what you are isn't what is deemed to be "cool" or "good" in society.
    What about people like me who don't like their own looks? I don't like the way I look, face or physique. It's not always about what others think, some of us just aren't satisfied with ourselves. Not but so much we can do, though.

    A lot of it is genetics. Some guys show abs easily, and some can't despite working out, and being thin. A guy I know told me his abs didn't show even after going through military basic training, and weighing 155lbs. I know two guys who have worked out together since high school. The one is 6'2 and weighs 260lbs, the other is 5'9, and weighs 160. The smaller guy lifts within 10% of what the bigger guy can. I have out muscled guys at work who are my height and weight, but as much as 30 years younger. They had to get me to torque a spindle bearing nut, because they couldn't pull the torque wrench to the click point. I never said a word, but I though to myself, if I was in my early 20's, and had to ask some old worn out wrench to do that, I'd be ashamed.

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    Anyway, I do realize that some people-- particularly those who struggle with body-image issues-- often feel very inadequate when they are bombarded with these images. I think, in order to combat this, people need to be taught how to analyze and evaluate the media they consume (media literacy). This would go a long way in helping them to understand that what they're being sold is just a fantasy that nobody can measure up to. They'll be able to think critically about beauty standards. It's especially important to instill this in people while they are still young and impressionable.
    I don't need the media ads to make me feel badly about myself. All I have to do is look at the people around me that I see every day, and I feel very envious, for many and varied reasons. I know the media isn't the real world. However, most of the real world surpasses me quite easily, and in many ways.

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    OTH, look around, look around at the people you see on the street, in stores, airports (the worst!)--for crissake, almost everywhere! Never in the past would one have seen so many heavyset, overweight, fat, obese (pick your favorite) men and women. Yeah our world is filled with images of perfection. (Thank heavens for images of buffed men--can there be too much beauty in the world? One of the reasons I love being in Rome is that one goes from perfectly sculpted marble flesh to perfectly dressed human flesh.) But the reality is very different. Very different. The number of fat people drives me crazy. And it is thoroughly exceptional--twenty, twenty-five years ago the world didn't look this way. Even football players! Have you had a serious look at lineman these days. Fat and fatter! It doesn't have to be this way. Most people do not just mysteriously become fat. They simply eat too much and exercise too little. Be fat if that's what you want or that's what's easiest for you, but don't then whine that you're not adequately appreciated, or that people are superficial and on and on and on. Give me a break!
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    But beauty standards are much higher set than just not being fat. Muscles, proportions, facial features, skin, looking youthfull etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedavo View Post
    It's unfortunate. I used to be very heavy set and not many guys would look at me. As soon as I got down to a super thin level it was as if I actually existed. It made me extremely depressed that I didn't matter as a person and many many people who ignored me, now considered me worthwhile despite me having found them attractive regardless of how they looked. I slowly began gaining the weight again.
    Yeah, I know what you mean. People very often treat others differently depending just on the looks. Lookism.

    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    folks care way too much to the point where it's ridiculous. people always need to look for a way to boost themselves up since it's hard to find strength and confidence from within. it takes a lot of guts to accept yourself for who you are if what you are isn't what is deemed to be "cool" or "good" in society.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by thatgirl View Post
    Anyway, I do realize that some people-- particularly those who struggle with body-image issues-- often feel very inadequate when they are bombarded with these images. I think, in order to combat this, people need to be taught how to analyze and evaluate the media they consume (media literacy). This would go a long way in helping them to understand that what they're being sold is just a fantasy-- one that nobody can measure up to. They'll be able to think critically about beauty standards. It's especially important to instill this in people while they are still young and impressionable.
    I agree.

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    Lookism really already exists in the vocabulary: superficiality.

    Arguably, that includes materialism, but the two are so closely intertwined that the distinction isn't that important.

    When a hot guy is credibly pictured as being poor or in squalor, the appeal is immediately diminished for most who are conditioned to the Madison Ave. standards.

    Often a man or a woman may be depicted in some contrivance of simplicity that implies a lack of wealth, but it is normally done so with the trappings of fine photography that connote the art of the upper classes.

    For my own part, I have fallen in love with looks of many men, and it is a combination of face and personality. A nice body is nice, but it isn't the thing. So many faces are appealing for so many reasons, and they are different faces that tell different stories.
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    Well, when you look at many holywood beautiful celebrities, when they are dressed casual, or even in just shorts, they can look hot to many people (which are not conditioned to Madison avenue looks i.e.). When a hot actor is in a movie playing a role of a poor guy, he can still look very attractive in it. (Or even lost on an island, like in the TV series Lost). On the other hand, there are people dressed in very expensive clothes, but are still not considered beautiful by widespread standards. Ofcourse, people who are wealthy can spend more money on their health and looks.
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    It's like the illusion we prefer for slasher movies, horror, danger, etc.

    An actor in a story is still known to be an actor, and very few of them are chosen because of unattractive looks.

    We don't want to be with a psychotic killer in real life, but we enter into the illusion in the cinema.

    Madison Avenue is not selling one look, btw, but a variety, but still carefully tailored.

    People depicted in real poverty are hardly ever portrayed as sensual -- if so, it's more often lumped into sleaze (torn clothes, etc.) or raunch, which are not mainstream.

    Superficial is normally meant to refer to the surface appearance, and that goes for physiques, faces, and bling. You can certainly use Lookism, but it comes across in English as a bit of an artifice or contrivance, as you could poll most Westerners on what term would apply to people who put too much emphasis on looks, and shallow or vane or superficial would be the responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueranger View Post
    How much is modern culture obsessed with physical, with being youthful and beautiful? One thing is caring about ones' health, but when does it become obsession, a way to compensate many other important things that should be worked on?

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    Your English is fine, no need to apologize. There are lots of terms for scintilla of meaning, but I'm just saying that Lookism won't be catching on. Trust me.

    As for naked men, that is granted that there is an uber-focus on perfection, but there have always been such. As has already been posted, it is likely a product of mass marketing.

    It starts with more subtle trends, like Hollywood and TV only casting better-than-average looking people, not necessarily fit, but better than the average.

    Can you imagine if The Brady Bunch, The Jeffersons, or the like had cast homely average people? There were a few moments, like on All in the Family, but mostly TV shows have moved more and more to the beautiful over time, and movies always have.

    Most people know better.

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    OTH, look around, look around at the people you see on the street, in stores, airports (the worst!)--for crissake, almost everywhere! Never in the past would one have seen so many heavyset, overweight, fat, obese (pick your favorite) men and women. Yeah our world is filled with images of perfection. (Thank heavens for images of buffed men--can there be too much beauty in the world? One of the reasons I love being in Rome is that one goes from perfectly sculpted marble flesh to perfectly dressed human flesh.) But the reality is very different. Very different. The number of fat people drives me crazy. And it is thoroughly exceptional--twenty, twenty-five years ago the world didn't look this way. Even football players! Have you had a serious look at lineman these days. Fat and fatter! It doesn't have to be this way. Most people do not just mysteriously become fat. They simply eat too much and exercise too little. Be fat if that's what you want or that's what's easiest for you, but don't then whine that you're not adequately appreciated, or that people are superficial and on and on and on. Give me a break!
    just because someone is fat doesn't mean that they're NOT healthy and just because someone is skinny doesn't mean that they are healthy. never judge a book by it's cover. plenty of skinny, people that look in shape, muscular guys like the one that i posted up there, drop dead from heart attacks. people often think that what is considered to be a "healthy" outwards appearance translates to good health which is NOT true. looks are deceiving. the most unhealthy people are the ones that neglect themselves period. someone that assumes they are healthy because they're thin where they eat fast food everyday, doesn't eat healthy, take care of themselves and etc is basically playing chicken with their health. it WILL catch up to them at some point. you are about as healthy as your insides are, NOT your outside appearance. some people are naturally fat. some people are naturally thin. it's genetics.


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    What about people like me who don't like their own looks? I don't like the way I look, face or physique. It's not always about what others think, some of us just aren't satisfied with ourselves. Not but so much we can do, though.
    A lot of it is genetics. Some guys show abs easily, and some can't despite working out, and being thin. A guy I know told me his abs didn't show even after going through military basic training, and weighing 155lbs. I know two guys who have worked out together since high school. The one is 6'2 and weighs 260lbs, the other is 5'9, and weighs 160. The smaller guy lifts within 10% of what the bigger guy can. I have out muscled guys at work who are my height and weight, but as much as 30 years younger. They had to get me to torque a spindle bearing nut, because they couldn't pull the torque wrench to the click point. I never said a word, but I though to myself, if I was in my early 20's, and had to ask some old worn out wrench to do that, I'd be ashamed.
    not much to do about it? you can chose to love or to hate your appearance. you learned to hate yourself. it's NOT something that is innate. you can learn to love yourself to. you have to figure out what works for you though without having to rely on stupid shit like cosmetic surgery.

    and i wholeheartedly agree on the genetics part. genetics pretty much dictates a lot of things especially how you look and strength. i can't get my abs to show and i work out.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    If a guy has a flat stomach to me that's hot, I don't need to fuck hercules, to each his own, sex sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    just because someone is fat doesn't mean that they're NOT healthy and just because someone is skinny doesn't mean that they are healthy. never judge a book by it's cover. plenty of skinny, people that look in shape, muscular guys like the one that i posted up there, drop dead from heart attacks. people often think that what is considered to be a "healthy" outwards appearance translates to good health which is NOT true. looks are deceiving. the most unhealthy people are the ones that neglect themselves period. someone that assumes they are healthy because they're thin where they eat fast food everyday, doesn't eat healthy, take care of themselves and etc is basically playing chicken with their health. it WILL catch up to them at some point. you are about as healthy as your insides are, NOT your outside appearance. some people are naturally fat. some people are naturally thin. it's genetics.




    not much to do about it? you can chose to love or to hate your appearance. you learned to hate yourself. it's NOT something that is innate. you can learn to love yourself to. you have to figure out what works for you though without having to rely on stupid shit like cosmetic surgery.

    and i wholeheartedly agree on the genetics part. genetics pretty much dictates a lot of things especially how you look and strength. i can't get my abs to show and i work out.
    In my 20's I was thin as a rail and pretty damn strong. But I never showed abs either and was sick a whole lot despite lots of exercise, etc.

    Now I am about 10 pounds heavier than I should be (ideally) but I am as healthy as a horse. What I didn't know back then is that there are some things I just couldn't change physically, and the importance of proper food.

    So now I take good care of myself in a different way and worry less about my looks. I still look good (healthy) and especially so for someone nearing 50! So what if no one else wants me because I'm not a damn model.

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    I never equated thin with healthy or fat with unhealthy, nor did I intend to imply the thin people were virtuous and fat people not. Perhaps I should have written that it's ironic that at a time when the media is giving us more and more images of aesthetic physical perfection, the reality on the street in America is anything but. I was in Munich, Paris and Naples over the course of the last year and I saw almost NO fat people. The most I saw were on the motorscafo from Naples to Capri and they were American daytrippers from the gargantuan eat-all-you-want cruise ships docked in the harbor. The Italians and other Europeans on the boat were uniformly thin.

    That being said:



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    not much to do about it? you can chose to love or to hate your appearance. you learned to hate yourself. it's NOT something that is innate. you can learn to love yourself to.
    I don't think it's quite that simple. It's much more difficult than it looks...

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    Body obsessed is better than other obsession like gambling.


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Body obsessed is better than other obsession like gambling.
    I don't know. Either can be life destroying.

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    ^I'm body obsessed. I don't find it at all destructive. To the contrary, I find it brings me great satisfaction.

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    Body obsessed culture(s) have always existed in all those years of humanity. From Greeks to Egyptians to today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddog7 View Post
    I don't need the media ads to make me feel badly about myself. All I have to do is look at the people around me that I see every day, and I feel very envious, for many and varied reasons. I know the media isn't the real world. However, most of the real world surpasses me quite easily, and in many ways.
    Agreed on everything said here. I hate the media for their portrayal of beauty, but even without taking the media seriously, I'm pretty fucked by what I see around me with my own two eyes.

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