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    Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    Tim Tebow to Address Anti-Gay, Anti-Catholic, Anti-Semetic Megachurch

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...lic-megachurch

    From Mr. Tebow's gracious host:

    He has described gays and lesbians as “perverse,” “miserable” and “abnormal” people who engage in an “unnatural” and “filthy practice” that will lead to the “implosion of our country.” Jeffress argues that the gay community employs Chinese “brainwashing techniques” in order to have homosexuality “crammed down our throats.”
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    Duh. I had to bring up this video.

    I know George Carlin isn't always good to bring up... but this video was done far before Tebow, but still is so accurate.

    Someone needs to tell Tebow to STFU... crammed down our throats? Yeah, keep it up man.

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    Tim Tebow needs a good thick piece of meat in his ass for a few hours, to fuck the dumb religion out of him and get him closer to God...
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    What a perfect thread for the intolerant gay bigots to enjoy. What goes around comes around folks. Remember gays are only 2% of the population. That isn't a very strong position from which to start.

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    Re: Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    ^2%? That's pretty low...a more realistic number is 6-9%. How about the percentage on our side? That's pretty sizable, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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    Re: Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    Your problem is with the pastor no ?

    Not sure this is a Tim sucks situation

    What has TT said about gays, same sex marriage, etc. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    What a perfect thread for the intolerant gay bigots to enjoy. What goes around comes around folks. Remember gays are only 2% of the population. That isn't a very strong position from which to start.
    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    ^2%? That's pretty low...a more realistic number is 6-9%. How about the percentage on our side? That's pretty sizable, so I'm not sure what your point is.
    Yeah, 2% is an underestimate. The last UK stats i saw suggested 7%. Add to that the bi crowd and you've got a pretty healthy army there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Tim Tebow needs a good thick piece of meat in his ass for a few hours, to fuck the dumb religion out of him and get him closer to God...
    Methinks Miss Tebow doth protest TOO much....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    What a perfect thread for the intolerant gay bigots to enjoy. What goes around comes around folks. Remember gays are only 2% of the population. That isn't a very strong position from which to start.
    Nonsense.

    Cite your sources.

    In any case, when the pastor of this mega 'church' brands homos as he has and Tim Tebow decides to grace the stage of this hate filled hall....then the homos can and should fight back with all the loud words they can.

    Tebow is not only a douche, he's a cynical little fuck who knows a good gimmick when he sees one.

    As far as cramming anything down someone's throat? I'd much rather it be a good cock than some pustulent porridge of hate dished out by the pastor under the banner of 'Christianity'.

    It is my hope that every gay bigot (by which I am assuming you mean anti-gay bigots) will thoroughly enjoy this thread.

    It isn't pounding ass that will cause the implosion of this country. It is the false christianity and the hypocrisy and venality of the fundamentalists that will have the US return to an age of medieval, misogynistic, goat fucker tribalism just like their good Talibani brethren dream of.

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    Re: Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    What has that got to do with right wing fundies who desperately need a firm hand.

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    LOL I swear I'm not S/M guy until I run into some hot right winger, and then all I can think is.

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    Re: Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    What has that got to do with right wing fundies who desperately need a firm hand.

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    LOL I swear I'm not S/M guy until I run into some hot right winger, and then all I can think is.

    SMACK! Call me SIR!
    Sounds hot

    the pastor is a mess

    not tebow - unless he is espousing something similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    What a perfect thread for the intolerant gay bigots to enjoy. What goes around comes around folks. Remember gays are only 2% of the population. That isn't a very strong position from which to start.
    Oh really? Are we being "intolerant gay bigots" for thinking his opinions are a load of bullshit? Thanks for the false figure too... people have already gone over that one... have anymore falsehoods you wish to share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    What a perfect thread for the intolerant gay bigots to enjoy. What goes around comes around folks. Remember gays are only 2% of the population. That isn't a very strong position from which to start.
    If the actual percentage - adding the in denial, the ultra Christian, the deeply closeted, the DL, "chill" "masc" jocks, and all the lesbians who fake it till they make it - is much south of 15%, I'll eat my violin.

    And intolerance? Seriously? One of the biggest fallacies out there - perpetuated by the Christian hate machine - is the standing up to and calling out bigotry is equally intolerant. False. Intolerance should be hated, stamped and fisted with EXTREME prejudice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    What has that got to do with right wing fundies who desperately need a firm hand.

    - - - Updated - - -

    LOL I swear I'm not S/M guy until I run into some hot right winger, and then all I can think is.

    SMACK! Call me SIR!
    I'll pretend to be a hot right winger for you ^_^
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    Re: Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    If someone snaps a photo him sucking off another pro-football player's cock ...

    then I'll be interested in Tim Tebow.

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    Perhaps Durango misworded that post and wanted to say "anti-gay bigots", but no... the language is pretty clear. He was referring to gay people he views as "bigots" for disagreeing and shunning the hatred and intolerance. I think we're dealing with yet another au-contrarian.

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    What hypocrisy? More like bringing up a different topic in this thread, and Obama is a man who supports gay people and equality. Tim Tebow most certainly does not. This begs the question... why bring up irrelevant topics? Connectivity? Nonsense. Obama is in favor of equality... Tebow made his feelings pretty clear. And again with the Rev. Wright crap. Doesn't prove anything really. That has been debunked so many times over.

    I guess some are still hurting from the whipping they had at the election. Unless one is a republican... they seem to enjoy a bit of S&M.

    And looking at this THREAD... it SAYS ON-TOPIC. Meaning NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA.
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    Ugh, I hate how these threads always devolve into "who wants to fuck Tebow more?" fest. I wouldn't fuck Tebow with RuPaul's dick. Nothing's more of a turn-off than stupidity and bigotry.

    And if anyone out there thinks this guy's not a raging bigot, I have a bridge in Tacoma to sell them. The fact that he'd do an ad for Focus on the Family really says it all. It's like giving a speech next to Louis Farrakhan because you support social justice. It gets tiresome hearing about what a "nice guy" he is just because he's outwardly friendly, as if disgusting bigots can't give the appearance of being a nice person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    I wouldn't fuck Tebow with RuPaul's dick.
    You know that there is a special circle of Gay Hell reserved for people who insult RuPaul, right?
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    Every single individual drawing breath is a bigot to one degree or another. Those that protest to the converse are either not being completely honest, not only with themselves but with everyone else, or are mentally disordered. There is also the possibility that those doing so are not familiar with the actual definition of the word bigot. In that case it would be ignorance. Spew as much venom as you will. It makes no difference. The term gay bigot is just as much a tautology as Christian bigot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    Every single individual drawing breath is a bigot to one degree or another. Those that protest to the converse are either not being completely honest, not only with themselves but with everyone else, or are mentally disordered. There is also the possibility that those doing so are not familiar with the actual definition of the word bigot. In that case it would be ignorance. Spew as much venom as you will. It makes no difference. The term gay bigot is just as much a tautology as Christian bigot.
    Please explain our gay bigotry. Who are we bigoted against, and what actions does that bigotry express itself with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You know that there is a special circle of Gay Hell reserved for people who insult RuPaul, right?
    I didn't know I was being insulting. :-x

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Ugh, I hate how these threads always devolve into "who wants to fuck Tebow more?" fest. I wouldn't fuck Tebow with RuPaul's dick. Nothing's more of a turn-off than stupidity and bigotry.

    And if anyone out there thinks this guy's not a raging bigot, I have a bridge in Tacoma to sell them. The fact that he'd do an ad for Focus on the Family really says it all. It's like giving a speech next to Louis Farrakhan because you support social justice. It gets tiresome hearing about what a "nice guy" he is just because he's outwardly friendly, as if disgusting bigots can't give the appearance of being a nice person.
    Yup. This post touches on, I think, part of why bigotry can be so invisible. People, or at least Americans in particular, seem to have this idea of good/bad black/white, like a racist or homophobe or bigot would be a one dimensional asshole in every way.

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    I have no doubt he's a 'phobe. I don't want to FORGIVE him, I want to CHASTISE him - with my big fat purple hog preferably.

    I don't see why people get so upset that people think he's hot, that doesn't make him nice, or anything else actually. So what. Plus it's humorous thinking of a hot jock rightie ball gaged while this faggot pounds some sense into that muscle ass.

    See - I can think he's attractive AND understand he's a 'phobe, AND get a laugh out of it all at once!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    Every single individual drawing breath is a bigot to one degree or another. Those that protest to the converse are either not being completely honest, not only with themselves but with everyone else, or are mentally disordered. There is also the possibility that those doing so are not familiar with the actual definition of the word bigot. In that case it would be ignorance. Spew as much venom as you will. It makes no difference. The term gay bigot is just as much a tautology as Christian bigot.
    good lord sis.

    Where ya' goin' with all this?

    This is certainly one of the stupidest and most disordered responses to a thread topic that I've read in a long, long time. And that is saying something.

    So why does everyone being a bigot even matter in this thread. Are you saying we're bigoted against big dumb football players who don't think that homos should be able to marry?

    Or are we 'bigoted' against a fundamentalist sect that calls us human garbage and blames us for the fall of civilization?

    Let us start with bigotry from Oxford:

    Definition of bigotry
    noun
    [mass noun]
    intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

    So what is your point?

    And please now explain why Gay bigot is a tautology. And explain why christian bigot is a tautology. And bear in mind that most of us here know what tautology means as well.

    And be really really concise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I have no doubt he's a 'phobe. I don't want to FORGIVE him, I want to CHASTISE him - with my big fat purple hog preferably.

    I don't see why people get so upset that people think he's hot, that doesn't make him nice, or anything else actually. So what. Plus it's humorous thinking of a hot jock rightie ball gaged while this faggot pounds some sense into that muscle ass.

    See - I can think he's attractive AND understand he's a 'phobe, AND get a laugh out of it all at once!!
    So, that's a no-go on the hot right winger cosplay then? -_-
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    No Rareboy - it's the age old "...if you argue with me you're oppressing me.." bullshit. Tolerance isn't tolerance unless you shut up and don't argue - any dissension from MY opinion is bigotry unless you just agree.

    Blah de blah, de blah blah blah. One can dress it up in a new frock and call it "tautology," but underneath...

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    Ugh, I hate how these threads always devolve into "who wants to fuck Tebow more?" fest. I wouldn't fuck Tebow with RuPaul's dick. Nothing's more of a turn-off than stupidity and bigotry.

    And if anyone out there thinks this guy's not a raging bigot, I have a bridge in Tacoma to sell them. The fact that he'd do an ad for Focus on the Family really says it all. It's like giving a speech next to Louis Farrakhan because you support social justice. It gets tiresome hearing about what a "nice guy" he is just because he's outwardly friendly, as if disgusting bigots can't give the appearance of being a nice person.
    LOL for once I actually agree with you. I wouldn't fuck him with a 10 foot dildo. People are just fixated on his looks... but in all honesty I don't know what they see. He's really mediocre in that department... so lets review... he's a mediocre player (at best), he's a bigoted asshole and he's not that good looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    Every single individual drawing breath is a bigot to one degree or another. Those that protest to the converse are either not being completely honest, not only with themselves but with everyone else, or are mentally disordered. There is also the possibility that those doing so are not familiar with the actual definition of the word bigot. In that case it would be ignorance. Spew as much venom as you will. It makes no difference. The term gay bigot is just as much a tautology as Christian bigot.
    A bigot of what then? Explain what I or others are bigoted about? Not accepting idiotic opinions doesn't make one bigoted. People choose to be Christian fundamentalists, they don't choose to be gay. People can leave their religious cult beliefs behind. So tell us what are we not being completely honest about? Oh and it's nice you're calling people here mentally disordered... that's such a great way to treat other people. Thanks for more of the same naivete. Time to come to the real world please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I have no doubt he's a 'phobe. I don't want to FORGIVE him, I want to CHASTISE him - with my big fat purple hog preferably.

    I don't see why people get so upset that people think he's hot, that doesn't make him nice, or anything else actually. So what. Plus it's humorous thinking of a hot jock rightie ball gaged while this faggot pounds some sense into that muscle ass.

    See - I can think he's attractive AND understand he's a 'phobe, AND get a laugh out of it all at once!!
    I wouldn't say I get angry, just vaguely disgusted. I understand where you're coming from, but here's what skeeves me out about it:

    -If he's aligned with Focus on the Family, he's aligned with people who basically, based on their body of statements about gay people, at best want us to be beaten and at worst want us wiped out completely. If you want to have sex with someone who gives tacit approval to those kinds of sick, neo Nazi-esque people, then in my mind you're choosing to reward that kind of behavior/thinking. Unless you actually see sex as a punishment and not a reward, in which case you have some kind of a fetish that I don't even want to touch with a ten-foot fucking pole.

    -The guy already has enough undeserved, blind adulation without people he's actually attacking deciding to bolster his public image by obsessing and endlessly ogling over the guy just for his looks. Fair or not, aesthetics actually count for a lot in our society, and praising him for that is just giving him stronger legs to stand on when we should be MARGINALIZING him for giving cover to American fascists.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    LOL for once I actually agree with you. I wouldn't fuck him with a 10 foot dildo. People are just fixated on his looks... but in all honesty I don't know what they see. He's really mediocre in that department... so lets review... he's a mediocre player (at best), he's a bigoted asshole and he's not that good looking.
    We're actually in agreement on a lot more than you think. (I just don't like the way you choose to make your points a lot of times.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    A bigot of what then? Explain what I or others are bigoted about? Not accepting idiotic opinions doesn't make one bigoted. People choose to be Christian fundamentalists, they don't choose to be gay. People can leave their religious cult beliefs behind. So tell us what are we not being completely honest about? Oh and it's nice you're calling people here mentally disordered... that's such a great way to treat other people. Thanks for more of the same naivete. Time to come to the real world please.
    Eh, people like that are hopeless.

    I've found that in the age of the 24-hour news cycle, there's this need to present both sides of every discussion as equally plausible/valid/respectable.

    So many people have bought into this tortured logic, and the result is a built-in defense for anti-gay bigots. Anyone who vehemently opposes their unfounded and prejudiced opinions is supposedly doing so out of "bigotry" because, well, having an anti-gay position is just as valid in the eyes of the brainwashed masses as being accepting.

    These people have simply watched too much bullcrap masquerading as news to understand that sometimes, not all sides of an argument are equally valid or worthy of respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So, that's a no-go on the hot right winger cosplay then? -_-
    See, if I tied you up and spanked you - you'd enjoy it far too much - and where's the fun in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What hypocrisy? More like bringing up a different topic in this thread, and Obama is a man who supports gay people and equality. Tim Tebow most certainly does not. This begs the question... why bring up irrelevant topics? Connectivity? Nonsense. Obama is in favor of equality... Tebow made his feelings pretty clear. And again with the Rev. Wright crap. Doesn't prove anything really. That has been debunked so many times over.

    I guess some are still hurting from the whipping they had at the election. Unless one is a republican... they seem to enjoy a bit of S&M.

    And looking at this THREAD... it SAYS ON-TOPIC. Meaning NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA.
    i honestly can't figure how u get thru the day

    as for Tim Tebow - I can't find anti gay or homophobic statements - but I'm open to reading them and changing my mind

    as for doing FOR OTHERS, TT is one of the best at it

    I don't think he's much of a QB - for the NFL anyway - but he's a leader and a winner - based on FACTS

    here in this thread, not seeing much of that

    oh yeah - Tx Beau thinks he's a phobe and wants to fuck it out of him - that's strong stuff

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    Re: Tim Tebow: He's baaack!

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    I wouldn't say I get angry, just vaguely disgusted. I understand where you're coming from, but here's what skeeves me out about it:

    -If he's aligned with Focus on the Family, he's aligned with people who basically, based on their body of statements about gay people, at best want us to be beaten and at worst want us wiped out completely. If you want to have sex with someone who gives tacit approval to those kinds of sick, neo Nazi-esque people, then in my mind you're choosing to reward that kind of behavior/thinking. Unless you actually see sex as a punishment and not a reward, in which case you have some kind of a fetish that I don't even want to touch with a ten-foot fucking pole.

    -The guy already has enough undeserved, blind adulation without people he's actually attacking deciding to bolster his public image by obsessing and endlessly ogling over the guy just for his looks. Fair or not, aesthetics actually count for a lot in our society, and praising him for that is just giving him stronger legs to stand on when we should be MARGINALIZING him for giving cover to American fascists.



    We're actually in agreement on a lot more than you think. (I just don't like the way you choose to make your points a lot of times.)

    Well, I don't know anyone who's obsessing over Tebow. He comes up when he comes up - usually in here. If I thought he had anything useful to say to anyone - I'd be talking about that, but no, at present the only contribution to the world he's making is his appearance.

    What the rest of that is, is you WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYY over thinking things. Do you honestly think I actually care all that much about Tebow? If I was actually in a room with him, I can guarantee you the conversation would be short and acrimonious. Do you think I'm somehow excusing his 'phobia? Nope. No - I'm having some humor at his expense.

    I'm sorry if that isn't serious enough for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Tim Tebow to Address Anti-Gay, Anti-Catholic, Anti-Semetic Megachurch

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...lic-megachurch

    From Mr. Tebow's gracious host:


    You are judged by the company you keep.
    watched video 1 in your link.
    Catholic is satan, evil ... etc? This is how religious wars starts.
    People like that pastor used words very cleverly to divide and incite people. He is a bad person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i honestly can't figure how u get thru the day

    as for Tim Tebow - I can't find anti gay or homophobic statements - but I'm open to reading them and changing my mind

    as for doing FOR OTHERS, TT is one of the best at it

    I don't think he's much of a QB - for the NFL anyway - but he's a leader and a winner - based on FACTS

    here in this thread, not seeing much of that

    oh yeah - Tx Beau thinks he's a phobe and wants to fuck it out of him - that's strong stuff



    http://www.uatrav.com/2013/02/12/pro...re-charitable/
    Get through the day? What on earth? This isn't the thread for Obama or Rev. Wright. There are rules in this forum, including which "ontopic" means ON TOPIC. Tim Tebow is supporting an organization that's homophobic... so lets stick to the reality. Oh and Tebow is a mediocre player at best and even more mediocre in the looks department.

    And believe me I manage just fine. I use something called logic and reasoning... perhaps those are two concepts one should embrace instead of posting the same old silly, ridiculous haiku arguments.
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    First and foremost, before I post in this thread, I gotta thank my lord and savior, Jesus Christ.

    Also, John 3:16





    Okay, that was a joke.





    Now I would like to post a letter from Omid Safi, a Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

    Mods: Since this is an "open letter" from a blog, I do not believe it a violation of copyright to post the letter here in its entirety.

    An open letter to Tim Tebow about God’s love, and associating with hateful Christians

    Dear Tim Tebow,

    This is an open letter from one of your loyal fans. I’m from your hometown of Jacksonville, Florida. All three of my siblings went to UF, a place that has enshrined you as perhaps the greatest college football player ever.

    I’ve got that September 2008 speech of yours after the Ole Miss game committed to heart, as one of the most inspirational examples of leadership I have ever seen in my life.

    I have followed your career since high school, and have admired you. (I even put up with the Tebowing thing, though it wasn’t my cup of tea.) But now comes news that you’re going to be speaking at the First Baptist Church of Dallas, TX.

    Tim (can I call you Tim?), for the sake of God (literally) look up a few things about the pastor of this church, Pastor Robert Jeffress, to see if this is the kind of person that you would want to associate with. I know you are a praying man, and I ask you to pray in your heart, and compare his views with what you know about Christ in your own heart.

    Everything I have learned about you tells me that you see Christ as the gateway of God’s love for this world. I ask you to look up Pastor Robert Jeffries, and see if this sounds like someone you would want to associate yourself with. Here is what Pastor Jeffries says about Jews: “You can’t be saved being a Jew.”

    He calls Islam a “heresy from the pit of hell”, apparently the very same part of hell as Mormonism.

    As for his further elaboration on Islam, he discusses:
    “The deep, dark, dirty secret of Islam: It is a religion that promotes pedophilia – sex with children.” Yup, he actually said that.

    Tim, you’re a good man, and you know what racists do when confronted with their racism. They resort to the old “I’m not a racist, some of my best friends are black” kind of BS. And this is literally what Pastor Jeffress does when called on his hatred towards Muslims, except that apparently he has just one Muslim friend:

    “We do not hate Muslims…I have a very good friend here in Dallas who is a Muslim.”

    This is the same Pastor that goes on Fox to perpetuate the rumor that President Obama is a Muslim. Oh yeah, and that the President is “paving the way for the Anti-Christ.” Yup, he really did say that.

    And you know what the Pastor says about Gays/Lesbians. And you probably know what the Pastor says about our Catholic friends, part of a Babylonian Cult. Yup, he said that too.

    Tim, I am not asking you to theologically change who you are. I am simply asking you to think about how many look to you to embody a certain model of high-profile Christian athlete/celebrity. You can be who you are, stand for what you stand for, and represent Christ without associating with hateful zealots like this. You don’t need his podium, and you actually end up validating his hatred by preaching from there.

    As I have said before, some people tend to be equal opportunity haters. Once they have made the ultimate sin of closing their heart to one portion of humanity, it becomes easier and easier to closer their hearts to more and more segments of humanity. Hate and prejudice is contagious, and they spread till the whole of a heart is infected.

    I have never met you, I don’t know you personally, but I have always gotten the sense that you care about your legacy beyond football, that football has been a podium from which you can reach people through God’s love. I don’t know what is in the future for you, but I do know that God-willing you will do great things by bringing God’s love into the service of humanity. And I pray that your own standing is untainted by associating with people whose hearts have become hardened towards God’s children.

    Even if one believes that Muslims and Jews and Catholics and Gays/Lesbians and Mormons (and probably many others) are in error, I know that Christ reached out to sinners in love and kindness.

    I pray that you choose to act more like Christ, and less like some of Christ’s hateful followers.

    As you often say, God bless.

    Omid Safi
    (official Tim Tebow fan for a loooong time)
    Professor of Religious Studies


    http://omidsafi.religionnews.com/201...ul-christians/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Well, I don't know anyone who's obsessing over Tebow.
    I take it you don't read HT very much.

    I'm not really "over-thinking" anything. In fact, until now I just had this visceral reaction to the Tebow groveling. But you seemed to be prompting me for an explanation, so I dug into my mind and that's how I felt. /shrug

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    No Rareboy - it's the age old "...if you argue with me you're oppressing me.." bullshit. Tolerance isn't tolerance unless you shut up and don't argue - any dissension from MY opinion is bigotry unless you just agree.

    Blah de blah, de blah blah blah. One can dress it up in a new frock and call it "tautology," but underneath...

    ...here come those tired old tits...
    That exactly. That's always the defense of people defending the indefensible. "You're being closedminded about my closedmindedness and not tolerant..."

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Eh, people like that are hopeless.

    I've found that in the age of the 24-hour news cycle, there's this need to present both sides of every discussion as equally plausible/valid/respectable.

    So many people have bought into this tortured logic, and the result is a built-in defense for anti-gay bigots. Anyone who vehemently opposes their unfounded and prejudiced opinions is supposedly doing so out of "bigotry" because, well, having an anti-gay position is just as valid in the eyes of the brainwashed masses as being accepting.

    These people have simply watched too much bullcrap masquerading as news to understand that sometimes, not all sides of an argument are equally valid or worthy of respect.
    That's exactly what's going on. The new paradigm today and the news is the best example of it is "you're biased if you aren't giving equal credence to every viewpoint, or the opposite of every viewpoint, regardless of how facts or reason or research or reality variously supports the two sides."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    See, if I tied you up and spanked you - you'd enjoy it far too much - and where's the fun in that?
    I can scream homophobic Christianist crap at you to cover it up though? Come on, you know you want to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i honestly can't figure how u get thru the day

    as for Tim Tebow - I can't find anti gay or homophobic statements - but I'm open to reading them and changing my mind

    as for doing FOR OTHERS, TT is one of the best at it

    I don't think he's much of a QB - for the NFL anyway - but he's a leader and a winner - based on FACTS

    here in this thread, not seeing much of that

    oh yeah - Tx Beau thinks he's a phobe and wants to fuck it out of him - that's strong stuff



    http://www.uatrav.com/2013/02/12/pro...re-charitable/
    blah blah blah.

    Once again the horse you back is the one that will lose the race.

    Mr Tebow, by associating with this church...unless he stands up and tells them that they are wrong in their intolerant thinking, will be seen as endorsing the brand of crazy that has very real and hurtful consequences. Now we understand, that in your own personal history before the epiphany on your own road to Damascus, this may not mean much...but to the vast majority of us homos...I have to say that we really don't give a shit if you think this mediocre and not very good looking lump is some kind of mother Teresa for supporting orphans.

    I love orphans too. But I refuse to give some religious fundamentalist a pass when they attempt to ruin my life at the same time that they are praying like a Pharisee out on the 50 yard line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    What a perfect thread for the intolerant gay bigots to enjoy. What goes around comes around folks. Remember gays are only 2% of the population. That isn't a very strong position from which to start.


    What are you doing here? Leave this gay, cock-sucking forum community, as clearly this is not your scene and you've joined the wrong website!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    blah blah blah.

    Once again the horse you back is the one that will lose the race.

    Mr Tebow, by associating with this church...unless he stands up and tells them that they are wrong in their intolerant thinking, will be seen as endorsing the brand of crazy that has very real and hurtful consequences. Now we understand, that in your own personal history before the epiphany on your own road to Damascus, this may not mean much...but to the vast majority of us homos...I have to say that we really don't give a shit if you think this mediocre and not very good looking lump is some kind of mother Teresa for supporting orphans.

    I love orphans too. But I refuse to give some religious fundamentalist a pass when they attempt to ruin my life at the same time that they are praying like a Pharisee out on the 50 yard line.
    blah blah blah is right up ur alley

    and the kids whose lives are made much better by Tebow's kindness and efforts

    don't mean shit i guess

    how many lives have you helped ? like he has

    so stay on ur high horse and by all means don't fall

    that bubble must be uncomfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    and the kids whose lives are made much better by Tebow's kindness and efforts
    What about the kids whose lives will be made much worse by Tebow's celebrity validation of hatred against them?

    As you say, they:

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    don't mean shit i guess

    Nothing would make me happier than Tebow going to the First Baptist Church of Dallas and telling those bigots to their faces that they are wrong about so much of what they are doing. That tearing down your fellow man is neither Christian nor American. That it is the duty of Christians everywhere to love, not hate.

    But, I would be very surprised if he does that. Tebow is not that great of an NFL quarterback. And, I'm sorry to say that it is beginning to appear that he is not that great of a Christian, either.

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    When Tebow is supporting an anti-gay church, he's actually hurting kids and hurting families... so all that about lives being made better doesn't mean squat.

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    I don't see how speaking to the congregation is in anyway validating anything

    but that's not as good a story as yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I don't see how speaking to the congregation is in anyway validating anything
    If Obama had agreed to speak to a rally of the American Communist Party, I rather expect you would be screaming bloody murder.

    But, somehow, it doesn't make sense to you when Tebow does it.

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    ^ actually Pres. Obama sat in Rev. Wright's church for how long ?

    sat in the congregation

    life isn't always so simple is it

    Judge a person on the totality of their words/actions

    Tim Tebow has done much good more than all the bandwagon combined

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    What about the kids whose lives will be made much worse by Tebow's celebrity validation of hatred against them?
    Yup.

    If you want to hold up someone endorsing a rather fanatically anti-gay-rights organization because that organization helps orphans, you need to work on your complete lack of a self preservation instinct and get your nose out from between the buttcheeks of a stratum of society that would like to see you without equal rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ actually Pres. Obama sat in Rev. Wright's church for how long ?

    sat in the congregation
    Oh that's right it's totally equivalent, Rev. Wright being a loud critic of American foreign policy or social inequality is completely the same thing as supporting organizations that would like to codify 2nd class citizenship for gay people into law.

    P.S. MLK Jr. was a very loud critic of exactly the same two things. Have a problem with him?

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    if you want to dishonor MLK by putting rev wright in the same sentence by all means

    not even close

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